What emulation do you consider, for your personal usecase, 'Solved'?

I'm asking: Imagine you didn't already have the actual real hardware. If you wanted to play a bunch of games for said console/handheld, for which console/handheld would you not just use the emulator because you think the emulator isnt accurate enough or too buggy, and you would buy the hardware + accessories for it.

I still feel like I need to own a DS, 3DS and WiiU for the dualscreen and touchscreen stuff.
I have a Vita because Vita3K sucks ass, 360 because Xenia can still be pretty buggy and I just wanna enjoy the game and not have to redo part of the game because it crashed before I could save.

But for N64? Buy both an expansive everdrive and an N64 in 2025? When Ares with the ParaLLEl renderer are 99% of the way there? I wouldn't.

When using Duckstation, Dolphin, PPSSPP, I don't expect to encounter any bugs that would bother me enough to buy a real hardware for them. Or any bugs that would make me wish I was playing on real hardware.

PCSX2 for PS2 i know still has issues. I guess i'm glad that I have a real PS2 still that I could technically fall back on, but I doubt I would have to actually hook it up anytime. When the soft-float PR gets merged, all those racing games will be fixed too.
So would I buy a PS2 if I didnt already have one? I don't think I would. atleast I dont think if I did i would ever use it.

other than Saturd, Shitbox and maybe the PS2, every retro console eumation is ''solved''

How is the current state of emulating 6th and 7th gen consoles?

I know Dolphin has pretty much perfected GameCube and Wii emulation. PCSX2, I believe, can run most of the PS2 library just fine, without the major issues that often come with emulating games.

But what about the original Xbox? Can Xemu or Cxbx-Reloaded run most of the console-exclusive titles that people are interested in? And what about Xenia? Between Ryujinx and Yuzu, which one currently has better compatibility for Switch exclusives?

>>11836301
Saturn is practically solved with Mednafen

If there are no graphical inaccuracies/glitches and no audio stuttering I say its good to go. Playing at native res helps avoid those plus just looks better imo. Unless its causing real tangible issues cycle accuracy is cool but unnecessary for me.

For me N64 is still a fucking issue. Even with a top of the line PC I still get slowdown and audio stuttering out the ass and there are still games with visual issues too even with ParaLLEl. I still can't get Conker to work without poor performance and/or audio issues after all these years.

Also for as much as everyone sucks Dolphins cock I find it's performance to be pretty lackluster and a lot of games that aren't first party titles really don't do so well. It's a lot better with the update that released a few weeks ago though that includes better frame pacing and audio so maybe that's finally been solved too. I wish they would just optimize the software renderer so I didn't have to tinker with settings on a game by game basis to fix graphical and performance issues.

>>11836278
I have the entire PS2 library downloaded and haven't personally had a single issue with any game I've played. Not that I've played anywhere close to everything but using the software renderer everything Just Works for me. Try it if you haven't. Make sure you're on the latest nightly builds too.

>>11836338
PCSX2 is great. In software mode 99% of games play and look as they should if you don't mind playing at the original resolution.

Xemu still has a long road ahead before it's at that level but the progress being made is extremely impressive and a lot of games are playable with minor or even no issues. Given that OG Xbox emulation was completely unheard of and thought to be impossible as far back as a few years ago, the state it's in now is really admirable.

Like >>11836343 said, Dolphin really isn't as perfect as people let on. It has some good qualities but pound for pound its dated and is being outdone by pretty much every modern emulator. If you play it with the default settings you're going to have a really bad time lol even the big name games don't work like they should out of the box. I feel like the constant praise of it being perfect has led to it's stagnation.

>Playing at native res helps avoid those plus just looks better imo.
>I wish they would just optimize the software renderer
If you're going to play at native res, you might aswell just play on real hardware, that way you know its exactly accurate.

>>11836356
Free emulation at native res is still a better value than buying a console, video scaler, and games.

I own several older consoles with everdrives but if I'm being perfectly honest the DS and Wii are pretty much the only ones where I insist on playing the games on original hardware. As long as I have the original controller or a close approximation I will happily emulate

>>11836356
Real hardware and games are too expensive and I prefer the convenience of playing on PC. I used to have a massive collection, several CRTs and a combination of games, flashcarts and ODEs, and swore by real hardware for the longest time but at a certain point I was tinkering more than I was actually playing. Despite my few complaints, emulation is pretty much all the way there for most systems now and I much prefer it. There is still some tinkering involved with emulation but most emulators once you dial in the settings that are right for you, you're done. I'm sure the few issues that are still hanging around will be solved soon given all the recent advancements and bigger community support. Honestly even if retro prices tanked and became affordable, I'm not sure if I would even go back.

>>11836364
Based

I like emulating on the Wii, because the convenience and flexibility are fantastic for my use case. It's preferable to PC emulation for me because I can tune everything else out and just focus on the game

>>11836373
>It's preferable to PC emulation for me because I can tune everything else out and just focus on the game
I have this problem. I am considering dualbooting into an OS thats just for gaming and has distracting stuff inaccessible, maybe even remove all webbrowsers

>>11836380
It helps a lot. When I'm playing a game on Steam I will turn off my second monitor and occasionally disconnect my network adapter as well. The experience of gaming on PC is unbeatable to me but it comes with a much bigger share of potential distractions than consoles

>>11836356
>just haul around a bunch of aging electronics bro
>just pay shit tonnes of money for discs / carts bro
>what is low power emulation boxes
there are plenty of valid reasons for emulating at native res.
handhelds for one usually have a small low resolution screen.

>>11836535
those are all poor people problems, and the guys argument I was replying to was that native res looked better then 4k.
Your arguments were irrelevant to his or my point

>>11836570
no you just made a statement that there was no reason to play at native res if emulating and that you may as well just play on original hardware at that point.
i just pointed out that was retarded to say and there are use cases for emulating at native res.

>>11836258 (OP)
"emulation accuracy" is some sort of weird moral panic that was finished years to decades ago depending on the system, that zoomers continue to bleat about because monkey see monkey do

>>11836258 (OP)
90 percent of Genesis, SNES and DOS(english-based) is supposedly solved. as it playable and beatable. good enough for me. and almost all the games i tried ran smoothly enough.

portables i can't quite feel right about. no one made a emu machine or phone/tablet that mimics NDS and 3DS almost-perfectly
emulating GBA games on phones/tablets was mostly okayish. but touchscreen controls never worked well with shooters for me.

>>11836821
>as IN playable and beatable.

>>11836258 (OP)
xbox hueg really still sucks, I get it.
PS2/PS1/PSP are literally fine
Saturn is mostly fine, would just like a QT4/5 UI like duckstation/pcsx2

>>11836360
Lower latency too.

No one should ever go from analog to digital because there's always a high latency tax.

Either go full analog - console to crt - or full digital - emulation to gaming monitor.

I'm loving Xemu right now. Xbox is a god console. Hueg even.

>>11836258 (OP)
only time i think emu is good is for like playing handheld games on a tv/pc or arcade stuff since cabinets are giant and expensive other than that i prefer and would rather buy the original console and flashcart ive found with emus you always gotta tinker with shit instead of just plug and play and i like having a piece of dedicated hardware for a system its just nice

>>11837592
>Run-on sentence that's barely english
>Filtered by something 12 year old kids figured out how to do decades ago
>Waste 100's of dollars on plastic
Just ticking all the boxes of retardation. Do you also wear velcro shoes because laces require too much """tinkering""""?

I still get sluggish results with outrun 2 on xemu.
Is NGB playable or should I get the steam remaster?

>>11836278
Just buy 3DS. It can play DS games perfectly
Be sure to only buy NEW 3DS/2DS.

>>11838153
I have a New3DS
New2DS
DSi 2x
Gamecube 4x
PS2 4x maybe more idk
PS1
PS3 4x maybe more
GBA SP
GBA
GBC
360 x2 (both RGH)
OG Xbox x2
Vita x2
Vita TV
Switch2 x2
Switch1
WiiU x2
Wii

>>11838165
Forgot about my Dreamcast

>>11838153
>It can play DS games perfectly
DS games look like absolute shit on a 3DS screen btw because the resolution is not an integer. I know about having it run at native res with black borders, but I still bought a DSi XL because it looks dumb with black borders.

>>11838165
based hoarder i have
famicom
snes
sega saturn
dreamcast
ps1
psone
xbox
2x ps2 slim, 3x ps2 fat in different colors
a few xbox 360s i forgot which
ps3 slim and fat
ps4

gba x2
gba sp
fat ds x3
dslite x2
dsi
dsi xl
3ds
n3dsxl
psp
vita
pstv
switch lite x2
switch normal
switch oled x2

oh also wii x2, gamecube and a wiiu forgot about those kek

>>11838165
based hoarder i have
famicom
snes
sega saturn
dreamcast
ps1
psone
xbox
2x ps2 slim, 3x ps2 fat in different colors
a few xbox 360s i forgot which
ps3 slim and fat
ps4

gba x2
gba sp
fat ds x3
dslite x2
dsi
dsi xl
3ds
n3dsxl
psp
vita slim
pstv
switch lite x2
switch normal
switch 2 x2
wii x2
gamecube
wii u

I know this isn't retro, but how is Xbox 360 emulation these days? Is Xenia Canary capable of running all the good exclusives still stuck on the console? If anyone has successfully played one of them from start to finish through the emulator, feel free to share your experience.

>>11838342
i thought almost all Xbone 360 games had PC ports though??? Xbone games were not very "exclusive" like Nintendos and some japan-only Playstations/PSP games.

>>11838176
You can use better filters than those that nintedo used. They don't look as bad

Lost Odyssey, Ace Combat 6, Infinite Undescovery, Magna Carta 2.
Fable 2, Blue Dragon, Gears of War 2 , 3 and Judgement, Saints Row 1, Crackdown 1 and 2, Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts, Perfect Dark Zero, Ninja Gaiden 2, Dead or Alive 4, Dead or Alive Xtreme 2, Naruto: The Broken Bond, Naruto: Rise of a Ninja, Viva pinata Trouble in Paradise, Kameo, Conker: Live & Reloaded, Project Sylpheed.

>>11838580
i meant to tag: >>11838408

>>11838342
>how is Xbox 360 emulation these days?

just read this to get an idea of what its like to emulate 360 games:
https://github.com/xenia-canary/game-compatibility/issues/4#issuecomment-2882057672

Project64 sucks, and therefore n64 emulation is shit as a whole

>>11840782
>Imagine not using MAME to emulate N64 games
amateurs

>>11842485
lol what is this picture??

>>11838580
This list makes me want to get an xbox 360

>>11836258 (OP)
Plays everything from Spacewar! (1962) through the 16 bit era with essentially perfect FPGA hardware emulation, both handheld and on my TV. Excellent device.

>>11843929
Ay yo hol up

So you be sayin this can play console games? Not just handheld games?

>>11844036
Yes, and you can connect up to four controllers while docked for multi-player.

>>11844815
Wow I didn't know that, seems pretty good then.

>>11844975
until you see the price

>>11845043
It's not the price it's the various ways they jew you like charging 30$ shipping. So it is the price, they just lie about it.

>>11843929
>>11844036
>>11844815
>>11844975
most obvious samefag ever

>>11836301
Whats wrong with Mednafen for Saturn? I've been playing a few Saturn games with it and it does just fine. Same for the PS2, whats wrong with PCSX2?

>>11836353
>Xemu still has a long road ahead before it's at that level
I just want to play Tenchu Z and Fable II on PC at a level other high-end emulators are at. Probably another decade or so until then.
>>11836356
>you might aswell just play on real hardware
I would love nothing more, but i'm not paying the same price as a current generation console for a fucking N64, Saturn, NES, etc. I would also need to get the games I wanted, most of which are priced more than they were back then too, a TV, and the space to actually put all of that.
Also what >>11836364 said. I already do a lot on PC, like playing games old & new, so it's very convenient.

>>11836685

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't one way of determining if a console is being perfectly emulated be to see if it is allowed when speedrunning? Those guys have autism coming out of their ears, and from how I understand it, they never allow emulated games on their speedrun rankings unless the emulating is flawless.

>>11847556
Pic related should tell you all you need to know regarding that.

>>11843929
anal log pocket cores are demonstrably less accurate than mister or software.
Also they cheaped out on the fpga and it's very prone to gate burn in/seizing

>>11847624
>banned for all times within 10% of existing record
Yeah, timings still aren't perfect. For example the DK rap still ends up desyncing after a while even on Ares and same for the OoT ending cutscene. At least graphics are practically perfect now with ParaLLEl-RDP

>>11847624
>we've made changes to the Ocarina of Time game rules
lmao
no thanks

>>11836258 (OP)
PS1, but only for the one that's on PS3. I don't like the way it comes out on PC emulators, there's some very subtle details that don't show up correctly despite there being cycle accurate emulators now. Also I can plug the PS3 into the TV and it'll do the 240p/480i thing natively.

>>11848064
what does the PS1 emulator on PS3 do that duckstation or mednafen dont? Besides the analog output to your CRT.

>>11848139
nta but mednafen is pretty much flawless on ps1, but i also play on ps3 for the analog output (and also because i separated emulators from my main rig besides some very light stuff, because emulators today require an insane amount of dependencies, but mednafen is pretty light on that).
it's also convenient because on a ps3 cfw i can play all the playstation library up to ps3 and there's emulators for other things as well.
the only thing mednafen does wrong with ps1 is a slightly different aspect ratio but that can be easily fixed on the config files

>>11847624
>project64
That buggy old plugin supported POS? That's the furthest thing from accurate. Mupen is great though.

>>11838580
2 maybe 3 good games right there
XBOX was always a meme

>>11848064
PS3 doesn't do 240p retard

>>11838498
They still don't look as good as the regular DS/DSi/XL

>>11850348
yeah those custom filters on 3DS look slightly better then the default, but then also look worse again in other ways. DSi XL is the way to go.

>>11850162
Make a list of good PS3 exclusives then, doubt its much longer and better then that 360 list.