Thread 11836598

>>11836598 (OP)
art, music, simplicity

>>11836598 (OP)
Uh being the first. Creating the whole thing.

Ngl it's really well fleshed out, knocked it out of the park

>>11836598 (OP)
You just had to be there, on the ground floor of this cultural phenomena. It wasn't just about having a great game to play or the show or card games or toys. It was something else that made us feel like we were a part of something much bigger than ourselves. A part of something that crossed the schoolyard cultural barriers, racial barriers, and even generation barriers, to some extent.

We play the new games, hoping to recreate that high and even the younger generations try to capture it but I'm afraid that magic is gone forever and is best served as a warm memory.

>>11836598 (OP)
Designs were imaginative and memorable. You can't milk this kind of thing for long and it shows.

This is like one of those bot threads on /tg/ with vague dumb questions like "why is the sword the most iconic melee weapon?"

Didn't we have this thread a few weeks ago? The reason why original Pokemon is iconic is because it contained almost every memorable element in the series, plus it's just good game, plus it's one of the best-selling games of all time. Like no offense to Gold and Silver, but how are you going to recreate showing people Pokemon for the first time. You can't just do that.

>>11836598 (OP)
The monsters were a nice mixture of cute and cool whereas later gen monsters look like exotic turds or are just over designed.

>>11836620
>Designs were imaginative and memorable
No one would give a shit about mons like exeggcute or voltorb if they weren't part of the original 151 batch. If they came later people would point to them as a signs of the franchise dying

>>11836598 (OP)
I happen to be playing Leaf Green and there's a guy in the SS Anne that yells at you for entering his room, then attacks you with his Pokemon. I was expecting something like "Oh I'm sorry, I overreacted" after the fight but he's still pissed and yelling at you. Felt strange compared to how uniformly hugboxy Pokemon always is.

>>11836638
There's dumb designs, but they're mixed in with a variety ranging from cute dumb to cool. You got diglets, but you also get gyarados.

i played it when i was 12, making it the best

>>11836598 (OP)
it was portable, accessible, and there was nothing like it. there's probably a billion other reasons too.

>>11836667
Truth nuke, mogs all the "objective truth" copers

>>11836667
I played Pokemon Ruby around that age and was disappointed, it's far from the best

>>11836638
Voltorb's gimmick is that it tricks you into thinking it's an item. Complaining about its design is like complaining that mimics look like treasure chests.

>>11836682
but i didn't

>>11836598 (OP)
The show

>>11836710
It's disappointing just how few people get this.
A lot of Gen 1 is just traditional RPG archetypes, since GF basically copied Dragon Quest's homework.

>>11836682
Myeah, I just recently played through Ruby for the first time, and it's just... not as good. I just didn't care at all about some of the stuff you could do in that game, pokemon fashion shows, growing berries, secret bases and whatnot. Also post game content felt pretty weak.

It's honestly the overworld design. Only Pokemon game with gold overworld

>>11836598 (OP)
No baby plush monster designs needed to sell 30+ million.
Johto sucks.

>>11836710
Grimer is a lampooning of RPG slimes, but it's given an urban and modern spin.

>>11836749
<3 baragon

>>11836749
Yes, down with plush monster designs, only egregious ripoffs of Dragon Quest and kaiju designs can be TRVE pokemon

>>11836598 (OP)
>Its design encouraged kids to play with each other through the link cable
>Many normalfags' introduction to JRPG's that didn't play FFVII the year before
>Popular anime launched right around the same time in the West
>Simplicity in its combat made it very accessible and easy to understand to normalfags since all fights were 1v1
>Gen1 Pokemon have a simple, clean, and fun design with many different types and rare ones like Mew and Mewtwo inspiring urban legends, especially in tandem with bizarre glitches and exploits like MissingNo.
>So successful it gave the aging GameBoy platform a new lease on life, so muchso in fact that Nintendo delayed the release of the GBA for around 2-3 years

>>11837005
Unironically though, pokemon is best when it's just mini(aka still as tall or taller than a human) kaijus

>>11837005
always fit this was a better more concise image

>>11836598 (OP)
Pokemania was a perfect storm of factors. Great designs that appealed to nips and westerners, boys and girls. Simple but deep gameplay that JRPGs have yet to top. Catchy earworm music. Cards and cartoon to spread the word among those who didn’t have the game. An all-timer theme song and catchline from the American marketing. The multi version system to encourage trading and battling. And strange, replicatable glitches that felt almost intentional, lending a mystical feel to the games. It really felt like your Charizard might be able to evolve again if you could just find that Mist Stone.

There’s a reason its success has never been replicated. There’s a reason Charizard is still beloved by kids just getting into the franchise but they don’t care about Lucario despite it getting the same amount of shilling.

>>11837049
Gen 4? That’s the only gen that fits that descriptor, since it’s objectively the worst one (gen 5 is the second worst).
>b-b-but the zoomers on /vp/ who grew up with the DS told me-
lol
Try playing DPPT without emulator speedup sometime. Absolute dogshit. Literally just gen 3 but worse in every respect.

>>11836605
fpbp

Zoomers need not reply

>>11836616
True.

Going to Rite-Aid and seeing new Pokemon card packs and begging your mom for a new pack. Watching the show on TV during the first season. Going to Burger King during the Pokemon 2000 movie era and getting the merchandise.

Playing the first gen Pokemon game on the playground and during school breaks with everyone having different gameboys, aka some had the green or yellow Gameboy Pocket while others had the teal or lime green Gameboy Color.

And oh man, the fights. Watching the fights break out (saw a kid get decked for trading a fake Pokemon card, and another pushed to the ground for cheating during a link cable battle).

A year after Gen 2 though, the fever died though imo. I remember being pumped to come back to school during the summer during 5th or 6th grade, and most people moved onto stuff like Yugioh or actual sports and stuff.

My younger brother got Ruby which I thought was interesting, but by then, I figured out how to play GBA games on emulators and was emulating other games instead with the shitty eMachine we had running Windows XP.

Good times.

Back to topic though, truly a flash in the pan imo. You just had to be there. I think watching some YouTube videos about the hype will get you close to the feeling but I can't think of anything that crazily involved other than maybe like Beanie Babies or some other kind of big toy phenomenon.

>>11836654
Curious if it's in the original as well.

If not, I mean think about it, you paid to be on some fancy ass cruise ship, and some motherfucking kid barges into your room to steal the shit from your trash can, or to demand to talk to you.

Wouldn't you be pissed too?

>>11836720
Lol, what? Dragon Quest is great but it's a complete ripoff of Ultima and other classic 80's WESTERN computer RPG's.

Just because Pokemon had better marketing, and a "Save whenever you want" system makes it worse?

Don't be jealous. Pokemon had its heyday with Gen 1 and peaked with Gen 2 where the hype died shortly after.

No one gave a fuck about Dragon Warrior in the west compared to the amount of hype that Pokemon generated in the late 90's.

>>11837005
Picasso said it best: "Good artists copy, great artists steal"

Who the fuck cares. This Dragon Quest fag is insufferable trash.

>>11837221
People care because they are litigious. Same deal with GW and Warhammer.

>>11837227
So you're dick riding Square Enix?

Bitch, are you for real? Get fucked dude, so what if they were the inspiration. Doesn't matter, both designs have soul and character to them in their own ways.

Back to the thread before this faggot keeps derailing it with this Dragon Quest bullshit.

>>11837241
Fine, original Dragon Quest poster here. I concede, I was just being a boastful faggot that just hates Pokemon.

Happy now?

>>11837275
Good, now stay out of this thread you bitch

>>11836629
practicality probably :P

>>11836598 (OP)
Theres literally no other game that can be more iconic, since all the other games are just remakes of the first one.

>11837096
Mental illness, also not retro

this was the first pokemon game i played in 2007. i was 9 years old, bought a gameboy colour second hand for £10 and my 16 year old brother bought be pokemon red off ebay fo £5.

i knew next to nothing about pokemon before i played but became my favourite game ever very quickly.

still play it on from time to time.

the last great pokemon game was black and white 2, but all downhill from there

One of many bot threads.

>>11837096
>(gen 5 is the second worst).
second best*

>>11837396
who cares? It's an actual good question and there are some real replies and conversation here.

>>11836598 (OP)
It was at a time when gameboys were pretty new and when Pokemon released, just about everyone got a gameboy and one of the Pokemon games along with it.

They were great games for playing during car rides or on the bus to school back before smart phones were a thing.
The games were actually fun too because there was a lot of variation between the different versions all revolving around the same universe, then also varies based on how you chose to play.

The original Pokemon TV show and Pokemon cards were also big at the same time so they kind of fed into eachother.

>>11837005
>DQ invented bats, caterpillars, rabbits, beetles, sea snails, clams, rhinos, ducks, dragons, pterodactyls, rocks, cats (dogs are just a ripoff of cats Robin, hoo hoo) ghosts, crabs, birds and dragons

>>11836659
The variety is the point. If everything were just badass like Gyarados, it would seen boring and edgy. All cute and it would seem girly. All silly and it would be... silly. Mixing these things together makes the roster special, and merging them within evolutionary lines, like the cute Charmander evolving into the badass Charmeleon and Charizard, or the silly and worthless Magikarp evolving into the badass Gyarados, or the worthless Abra evolving into the powerhouse that is Alakazam, made things even cooler. Even weird things like Voltorb help flesh out the roster, to go along with the already mentioned "enemy posing as an item/pickup" trope, but also adds a world-building implication that the Pokeballs themselves were indeed designed in-universe, styled after a creature that their creators would have likely encountered regularly as people who likely worked in urban areas.

>>11837087
>An all-timer theme song and catchline from the American marketing.

Man, I haven't consciously thought about that song in probably close to 20 years ago, and yet now that I'm thinking about it I can easily recall it word-for-word, as well as most of the animation.

>>11837492
This reminds me-
Is that "dubstep beatbox" version of the theme song, performed by the original singer, archived anywhere? He uploaded the video to his YT several years ago, but it was clearly an off the cuff thing done in his home, and he looked like he might have been on something.

>>11837096
>Literally just gen 3 but worse in every respect.
This some what spooks me, because i haven't got the chance to finish up Diamond.
I'm expecting it to be Hoenn but more realized but im not exactly feeling it.

>>11837621
You can safely disregard the opinion of any gen 5 dick sucker.

>>11837440
The Pokédex has indicated since Gen 1 that Voltorb looking like a pokeball was incidental, not that people designed pokeballs to look like them. Yellow’s entry in particular speculates that it intentionally camouflages itself to look like one.

>>11837492
I wanna be the very best
It's a legitimately well made theme and opening. I refuse to think it's nostalgia fagging either, I grew up with the English versions of Digimon and DBZ and the Japanese themes are objectively better along with most languages that kept them like Spanish, but the rest of the world got the better Pokemon theme instead of Japan
It just fills me with hype and even hope.
Oh, you're my best friend, in a world we must defend.

>>11836605
The artistic work in Pokémon is phenomenal, i wish i lived in that world.

>>11836616
>You just had to be there, on the ground floor of this cultural phenomena
DAMN!

>>11837210
be less obvious

>>11837210
It’s true. DQ has neither the depth of Ultima nor the charm of Pokemon. It’s an awkward stopgap in the evolution of JRPGS given undue reverence thanks to its historical significance and weeaboos who blindly ape the tastes of the yellow man hoping to one day wake up with slanted eyes.

>>11837912
same

By gen 2 they were already thinking merch and accessibility before anything so it's more babyish and soft on the player than gen 1. In gen 1 there was a sense of danger with cerulean cave being guarded, the abandoned mansion, and viridian forest ominous music and so on

>>11837993
do you think about the nonsense you write
>undue reverence thanks to its historical significance
??????????????????

>>11836598 (OP)
Nothing. It's just nostalgia that makes people think that those dogshit games were good in gen 1.
Also graphics sucks, fuck gameboy. Pokemon games on GBA were better

>>11836605
soul then

>>11838203
that's fair, yeah.

>>11836598 (OP)
everyone had it
and i mean like literally everywhere in the world too
it was a cheap console and a cheap game, and gamefreak was in full on multimedia marketing blitz mode
they made a perfect storm where if you DIDNT have pokeymans in some way or another, you felt left out

>>11836725
You were supposed to play emerald

>>11838120
They were forced to tone it down after the Lavender Town suicides.

>>11837085
toriyama's monster designs are so dope, desu

>>11836710
>>11836720
The problem with Voltorb and Electrode is that design the game in way to give them a good first impression.
You first encounter Voltorb in MT.Moon on the team of two super nerds, then you see it being used on Surge's team and only before rock tunnel you get to catch it in a regular wild encounter.
We only get to see them do their gimmick in fucking power plant which is a late game optional dungeon, even if you already knew about RPG tropes beforehand you likely wouldn't connect the dots and the impression that it's a lame design would already be imprinted on your mind.

>>11838874
I don't think knowing that mimics exist takes away from the experience of encountering a mimic.

>>11837005
>>11837085
That's a bit depressing to see that some of my favorite designs aren't **original** but pokemon pretty much looks five times better across the board here

>>11838884
The problem is that you're already encountered the mimic way before you get the mimic experience.

the anons still didn't defend exeggcute

>>11838907
I personally think Eggy is a fine first stage, it conveys the idea well.
Not everything has to be either cutesy or edgy cool.

>>11838907
He's strong as fuck innit? More of a monstor that I enjoy encountering in a battle than one I'd put in the party.m probably falls into the funny/grotesque category

they took all their best designs
didn't know they'd have to churn out 50~150 more all the time

Ever do that quiz to name the 151?
https://www.sporcle.com/games/g/pokemon
Spelling kinda sucks, I missed exxcecute and exgecutator

>>11837408
>It was at a time when gameboys were pretty new
lolwut

the games lost their magic to me after finding out about the Typhlosion leak. bible thumpers definitely were onto something back then, especially with what the games have become now.
still, they were fun to play at the time. glad i got to be part of the hype.

>>11839384
Noice. Gonna have to come back to this when I can sit at muh Pee-See.

>>11837993
DQ is like Ultima if it had style and charm and a camera angle that wasn't fucking retarded

>>11836616
I remember every single kid at school had pokemon on GB or watched the anime or played the card game or a combination of all three. Everyone knew about the missingno glitch and everything. It was definitely a form of mass brainwashing. Id say 90% of millennials have played and/or still play pokemon

>>11838120
Gen 2 is hated by both genwunners and fans of the later games for its various design decisions

>>11840478
Penguin fans have over hyped Gentoo for too long.

>>11838906
And?
The gimmick could've shown up earlier and more often, for sure, but you still get caught off guard the first time it's used. And then you're skeptical of every other "chest" in the dungeon.

>>11839384
119/151 on my phone.

>>11840475
I still play Pokemon. I cap out at Gen 4 on the DS. Did a run through SoulSilver last year. Good shit. Gen 1 is still the best, tho.

>>11840598
As if there's anything powerful enough in that game to be any more than a speed bump to my champion team.

>>11840478
Gen 2 was pretty crazy, mate. The remakes are not bad, but not Gen 2. I need to replace my cart batteries so I can rip it up again.

>>11840657
You grinded a team to champion levels immediately after getting Surf?
The only fault of the game is that it let you do that.

i think the cringe anime opening of Gen2 killed the hype imo. Compared to the classic of the og Anime opening, it was a bit of a disaster imo.

>>11840792
Everything about Gen 2 was cringe. It was a confirmed attempt to change everything to appeal more to girls and make the pokemon easier to animate.

>>11840762
champion levels is basically just 5 levels above the current enemy anyway. it's a game for schmootz morherfuckers

>>11840797
Champion levels are low 60s, and Surf is only gated behind a battle in the high 30s.
You didn't play the game.

I did a playthrough of pokemon green recently and leveled 6 pokemon evenly and if you beat every trainer your team is around level 42 by the elite 4. I actually spent like 5 rare candies before blue because I wasnt confident.

>>11840818
I played the game when I was 9, schmootz. And I beat it with zero difficulty.

>>11840818
>He needed a team in the 60s to beat E4

>>11840861
You don't grind on victory road?

>>11840861
Gen 1 and 2 shine when you finish with a team in the high-30s/low-40s. It's so much more fun than grinding.

>>11840868
You grinded to level 60 by the half-way point. Of course it wasn't difficult.

>>11840878
No, he needed a team in the 60s to beat Koga. Even worse lol

>>11840886
>No, he needed
I'm making fun of YOU, retard. you're the one that said champion levels are in the 60s.

>>11840882
I didnt have to, had a raichu with thunderbolt for the first guy. I had a drill pecking fearow for the second guy. I had snorlax with psychic for the 3rd guy. And I had a tentacruel with ice beam for lance. I gave snorlax 5 rare candies for blue so he was level 50 and just stacked amnesia because its op, i probably didnt even need the rare candies.

>>11840886
highest level on my team was 44, schmootz. try again XD

>>11840891
>champion levels are in the 60s
Yes, the champion's levels are in the 60s.
What are you misunderstanding?

>>11840906
i'm laughing at the fact that you needed pokemon in the 60s to beat the E4.

>>11840961
Can you point to the post where someone said that? Because it just looks like you got pissy and started making shit up.

>>11841019
sure, its the part where you said champion levels (levels for champions aka pokemon that have won the league aka pokemon who have beaten the E4) were the 60s

>>11841065
>champion levels (levels for champions aka pokemon that have won the league aka pokemon who have beaten the E4)
This was the result of your own poor reading comprehension

>>11841065
>its the part where you said champion levels were the 60s
Yes, the champion's levels are in the 60s.
What are you misunderstanding?

Full Pocket Monsters experience: a /vr/ guide
>know absolutely nothing about the franchise and first engage with it through newspapers articles about a cartoon show that caused epileptic attacks on children in Japan
>read video game magazine articles that talk about a social phenomenon in Japan, called "Pocket Monsters", see some small screenshots and design imagen and think it looks weird and foreign but cool
>Call up various local game stores and ask them if they sell this japanese Pocket Monsters Game, only for them to have no idea
>forget about it for a while and one day you casually watch the first episode of "Pokémon" on cable TV and then you keep watching all the first season, meanwhile:
>Get Red or Blue and play on a Game Boy, or a Super Game Boy. Better alternative: GB tower on Pokémon Stadium, and using Oak's Lab for item and pkmn management, much better than the menues on the GB games. But, for a first playthrough it's not mandatory.
>Once you beat the game and catch Mewtwo, watch Mewtwo Strikes Back kino
>Read the "electric tale of Pikachu" manga
>Get a friend or a way to get the Pokémon from the other version that you're missing. Play Stadium's gym leader castle to get starters, fossils, eeveees and hitmons.
>Also try to beat the different cups in the main Stadium game as a post-game challenge. Start training low level Pokémon and buff them/give TMs and customize them.
>Buy at least a pack of the TCG, even if you don't care playing it, it's good art on them.
>play Pokémon Pinball and the Game Boy TCGs if you want somen extra gen 1 experience on GB
>play Snap and Smash 64
>Start reading rumours about pikablu
>Get hype for "Pokémon 2"
>Download a japanese ROM of Pokémon Gold and play a bit of it on a poorly coded emulator
>Play the actual Gold or Silver cart on a GB Color or go full pokemaster and play on Stadium 2 using the GB Tower, then play the Stadium cups.

>>11840762
Don't need to grind, mate. You either build an excellent full team and hard counter the computer or you only level like two or three Pokemon with good enough coverage.

>>11841065
Nta, but damn, bro. Sippin' on too much stupid sauce.

>>11841150
you had what you described as a "champion team" by the time you could do the power plant, which is 4-5 badges in

>>11841154
You can have a champion team just past Cerulean.

>>11840649
Based

>>11841092
Imagine how many farts the Mario and Yoshi mat have absorbed.

>>11841423
Japanese don't sit on their butts, they do seiza posture.

>>11841426
>the butt must be touching the mat to absorb the fart
Our education institutions have failed us if this is what zoomers believe.

>>11841456
Well excuse me Dr. Fartenstein.

>>11836598 (OP)

Because most of the pokemon were based on animals. In the later series they started using demons as their inspiration.

>>11841476
>Because most of the pokemon were based on kaiju.
FTFY

>>11841476
>>11841589
It's been a mix of mundane wild animals, mythical creatures, kaiju, objectmons and yokai from the start. That never really changed.

>>11836598 (OP)

Better pokemon art and design, better pokemon names, killer ost, memorable characters. The only other gen that even competes is gen 2 and even then, I think gen 1 is better.

>>11841471
You are excused, Sir Flatulance.

>>11841597
Different trends dominate though

Namely, furry designs, ethnic/nationality parody designs, and objectmon looking much less anthro are what turns off older fans

>>11840893
These claims are always exaggerated

I spam power moves using weakness and yes, still need to heal life and pp

>>11841672
>objectmon looking much less anthro
Older objectmon looked anthro? The ones that come to mind are Magnemite/Magneton and Voltorb/Electrode

>>11841727
They have clear faces or facial features, magnets even have screws forming mock arms. Compare to swordmon or kleftkey which upon a glance, literally don't look like beings

>>11840792
While i LOVED the Pokemon Johto song, the intro was honestly more embarrassing to sing than the first one, so i don't blame.

>>11840661
>The remakes are not bad

>>11836598 (OP)
being the first and the massive advertising blitz that went along with it. The anime was released at about the same time as the games in the USA and the ads were fucking everywhere. Nintendo very much pushed it in the USA.

>>11840598
>And?
First impression matters, which is why this line remains a shit design in people's mind despite the clear idea behind it.
>but you still get caught off guard the first time it's used. And then you're skeptical of every other "chest" in the dungeon.
You'd have a point if Voltorb and Electrode learned anything meaningful outside of explosion by level up.

>>11842006
>A game for children has childish dialogue.
Right one is probably more in-line with the japanese dialogue anyway.

>>11842306
>You'd have a point if Voltorb and Electrode learned anything meaningful
If anything, one of the fastest monsters in the game being very likely to blow up on the first turn makes them a more effective trap.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

>>11842315
>A game for children
that doesn't mean it needs to be written like an episode of little bear lol

>>11842317
Wild pokemon have no DVs, even with a crit that voltorb is never going to KO anything, specially if you come with a Rock mon or the ghastly line.

>>11842324
The appeal of Pokemon was never the plot or dialogue, who cares?

>>11842315
It's not more or less childish, it's just flavorless. And that's due to being a direct translation of the JP text.
That was the first major game Nob Ogasawara, who had been translating the series from the beginning up until Platinum, didn't work on. Funny thing is, he's Japanese.

>>11842329
You seem to be under the impression that something needs to be able to wipe your party to be a threat.
The mimic Voltorbs and Electrodes are all in the 40s, which (should) pose some level of danger to someone just coming out of Koga's fight. They might not KO, but they'll deal significant damage, drain resources, and soften you up for the Zapdos battle at the very least.

>>11842006
Look how cool it is that Dragonite follows Lance. Or your pokemon follow you. You mist be autistic if you're hung up over trainer battle #357's text bubble.

>>11842334
Seems like he just wanted an excuse to share some little tidbit he found whilst viewing another YT essay on pokemon.

>>11842374
Voltorb line has 30 and 50 base attack respectively, they'd be lucky to deal even half your HP unless you're bringing something too frail that also can't outsped due to better DVs and EXP boost and even then you're very likely to be carrying many healing items before going into a dungeon anyway.
The impression you get from the encounter on power plant is not enough to override the already initial opinion that they are lame.

>>11837085
The only notable design comparison here is the gengar one, the rest is just RPG tropes that Dragon Quest itself copied or just animals that would be well-known in Japan. The Scyther and Grimer ones are just a stretch.

>>11842356
I think I asked about it here once and they stated that Lance in Japan G/S/C more or less said the same cocky taunt as he does in English. It's only in HG/SS where they take all the personality out of him.

>>11837005
>>11837085
Are these some kind of gotcha? Art done by the same guy is similar. It's almost like
>dragon
>bat
>ghost
>snake
>caterpillar
>crab
>clam
etc. will look really similar. Utterly mindbroke, innit.

>>11837432
>rodent, but with horn
Can't forget it.

>>11837005
Okay, anon. Draw a "insert animal here" for me. Go!

The amount of BS we got away with in regards to rumors.

Before the internet fact checked us. Even the Internet was on it back then. In regards to PokeLegends.

>>11842315
And it sounds lamer.

>>11842006
Early 2000s cool guy speak. before the yall, lets go and "it" phrasing.

>>11842375
>pokemon follow you
You must be autistic if this is what makes a game good to you.

>>11843084
>good
I play games that are fun, noob.

>>11843131
that's not true because you played the gen 2 remakes

>>11842874
nta but ill take that challenge, MS paint like 30 seconds

it doesn't matter anyway but obviously designs are derrivative, people who are fans of japanese media get especially butthurt over this whether defending or "exposing". like nobody gives a shit if you point out that Spawn looks like Spider-Man, it's fuckin obvious.

>>11843391
>Spawn looks like Spider-Man
ur fuckin dead

I can hear a song from red and blue and instantly go right back to that time. No other game or media has come close to the level of nostalgia.

>>11843391
Nice, anon!. It's like if golbat and the gargoyle from gargoyle quest made babies.

>>11843140
You are obviously wrong because they are fun. I don't care about your crippling autism. Go away.

>>11844570
>I don't care
that's not true because you were mad enough to reply to a day old post
they're worse than the originals in almost every way btw

>>11842385
>projection
Anything to defend your shit gen and shit makes.

>>11842375
and people wonder why gay freak is putting effort on Souls clone #55633
You're just a silly little bottom feeder

>>11842375
Yellow did following Pokemon first to pander to anime watchers, the game manage to suck harder than it's remakes.

>>11842385
>YT essay
Did you not play the games? You would've seen the dialog yourself.

>>11836598 (OP)
nothing in gaming will ever be as iconic as sudden rival encounter in gen 1

>>11836638
>No one would give a shit about mons like exeggcute or voltorb
I've actually grown to appreciate them, especially Voltorb.
One of my main issues with Gen 1 (the usual complaints like bugs/glitches don't bother me) is that there weren't enough Pokemon species. You all think there were 151 unique Pokemon, and that's true, but how many evolutionary lines are there? There is actually pretty miniscule variety and I think that's why they ran with the Pokemon World is the actual world, so that you could imagine real animals filling in the gaps where Pokemon species fell short.

>>11837083
A few of those are really reaching. You're going to tell me a fucking dog was inspire by these kaiju films? A spider? Please tell me that image is a joke.

>>11845435
If they kept the 190 like they originally planned, it would've gone a long way in adding variety.

>>11838150
Get outta here you Zoomer Giga Tier Faggot

>>11845074
>gay freak is putting effort on Souls clone #55633
what did he mean by this

My only complain is,this pokemon, being based on a jungle giant, parasite and smelly plant, looks so mediocre with it cute face. I think it would have been better to give it a diabolical face something like the one of gastly or the like one of haunter. So it could look more like a sadistic plant. Also, if posible with better attack and defense, so it would be the choosen one among the plant types of the first generation.

>>11846313
It always seemed borderline to me, a happy smiling face, but with beady glowing red eyes

>>11836638
>exeggcute
Is shit, agreed, though Alolan Exeggcutor fixed it.
>voltorb
You're crazy. It's still to this day the best and most creative mimic in all of RPGs

>>11837005
>dragon quest invented crabs, bats, caterpillars, and dragons
lmfao. retard

>>11838874
well it got me as a kid, guess you just had to be there zoomie

>>11848996
Your opinion isn't even common among boomers.

>>11842315
>>11842356
both of them are faithful translations of the japanese. The remake isnt "more like the japanese text" so it becomes "more childish". the remake is just shittier. All this shit is extremely easy to fact check

>>11837005
>dragonquest invented giant openmouthed vampire bats, big purple masses of who knows what that emit poison gas, clams with cartoonish tongues sticking out, crabs that specifically froth at the mouth, gaseous ghost creatures, round rock monsters with faces whos special ability is exploding for no reason, pink slime enemies that mimic you, and rats with random horns for no reason.
retard

>>11849141
No, he's right. Running into your first Voltorb mimic wasn't something you thought could happen, and gave you reason to doubt every item capsule in the dungeon after that.
Now that you're aware that mimics only exist in one dungeon and that doubt isn't there and you're only actively expecting it in the Power Plant, your experience is totally different. It really WAS something you had to be there for.

>>11837005
I dislike the image because it obfuscates how much Pokemon really took from Dragon Quest without properly explaining it.

>>11849218
You people really talk about anything like a fairytale.

>>11849761
Yeah? Kids tend to assign more significance to otherwise mundane things, and that significance isn't lost when you remember it.
You'd probably have felt the same way if you experienced it as a child.

>>11849773
I had those experience for other things, but I don't let them cloud my judgement.

>>11849902
Your judgement of "it got me as a kid"?

>>11837087
>There’s a reason its success has never been replicated.
Tangential thought, I've always wondered if knowing how the sauce is made ruins a bit of the mysticism of games like Pokemon. Nowadays we know that "the Mew truck" is just a prop and there never really was a glitch, just someone with a GameShark uncovering a yet-to-be-used Pokemon. Romhacks make a lot of the social mythos items like your fictitious mist stone real. "Leakers" have created this dopamine cycle of GET EXCITED FOR NEXT PRODUCTS so we always know exactly what Nintendo/GameFreak are making, even if it isn't pinpoint accurate.

I remember my friends and classmates were briefly excited about Gen 3 after Gen 2 added so much, coming up with headcanon that the little "plates" the Pokemon were on in Gen 3 would add terrain attributes to fights. In all of these directs, everything is just laid out so plainly.

>>11849930
You lack self-awareness.

>>11849761
Because it was, people forget all the factors that at play during the time period that made it so popular.
>Child friendly to kids who had never played something like this before
>dial up internet meant that the entire game was a mystery during the first playthrough for the vast majority of people
>most people went into the game barely knowing any pokemon or what was going to come next
>not knowing about rival, Elite 4, HMs, getting through caves, ghost tower, etc
>brand new TV show to go along with it
>trading cards to go with it
>fishing and catching monster you've never seen before
>hearing about secrets like how magikarp evolves into Gyrados
>fake secrets like being able to catch Mew
Kids organically discovered the pokemon universe, without googling or watching a YT video that shows all the best most meta mons
You had to figure shit out for yourself which made it great
A lot of the same reasons Ocarina of Time was so big
>making friends just to learn more about the game
Some people used strategy guides but this was not the norm at the time, especially for children.

>>11849952
And you forgot what you were talking about.

>>11850324
Learning about Missingno. from another kid was cool. I met him on the playground, started talking about Pokemon and it ended up with us challenging each other. Went to his house, and he had a full team of level 100s. After he beat me, we hung out playing the game and he told be about Rare Candy duplication and Missingno. Then went home and tested it out with my brother. Felt crazy seeing it actually work, especially with how bizarre Missingno and the sequence to find it is. Things like the screen hanging extra long as the battle starts (actually overwriting memory it turns out), and the Pokemon over level 100 added to it.

Stuff wasn't a total mystery for long though, since Pokemon strategy guides were pumped out everywhere. I even had a guide that was so lazy it mixed in Japanese Pokemon names. Spent a long time trying to find the secret rare "Betobeton" in the Pokemon Mansion. Turns out that's just the Japanese name for Muk. But yeah, even with strategies guides, not every kid had them and they still got a lot from talking to other kids (especially the ones with guides).

>>11850334
Totally forgot about missingno and the rare candy trick.
I remember a kid told me his pokemon were stronger because he leveled them without rare candy, but I never knew if that was true or not. I guess it is.

>>11850441
>I remember a kid told me his pokemon were stronger because he leveled them without rare candy, but I never knew if that was true or not.
I remember hearing it that way back in the day too, but the reality is more complicated.

There's some truth to it, the game actually uses hidden stat experience, where you get extra stat experience from defeating monsters leading to better stats. So normally you'd miss that leveling to 100 with duplicated candies. But you can still get same stats training at level 100 with the box trick, just put your Pokemon in the PC, and then pull them out to get the better stats.
https://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/rby_gsc_stats#statexp
>It's worth noting that unlike in later generations, Pokemon continue to gain Stat Exp. at level 100, but it isn't recalculated if it stays in the party. However, by depositing a Pokemon in the PC and withdrawing it, the stats are recalculated; this is known as the "box trick." As a result, the accrued Stat Exp. can then be applied.

Vitamins that raise your stats actually work by increasing the hidden stat experience values, working up to a certain point.

>>11850324
If there's anything about this era I don't miss, it's everything being shrouded in mystery, and people spreading rumors and outright lies. Fuck that, I like that we can dissect and overanalyze games better than ever before. I like learning what makes games tick and how they really work behind the scenes.
>Where's your sense of wonder or whimsy?
I'm autistic. I fucking hated falling for rumors and urban legends as a kid. I like learning the truth. I like being blown away by how old consoles can accomplish so much with so little resources.
I also fucking hate gaming creepypastas. I'm a video game history enthusiast and they end up muddying the waters.

>>11840886
>You grinded to level 60 by the half-way point.
No. I just recently finished a playthrough and most of my team was in mid 30s, except for Articuno which was at level 53 or 54.

>>11846891
>>11846313
Yes, I'm pretty sure the idea is to convey the feeling of the kind of plants which look nice but which are actually poisonous.

>>11850331
No buddy, the one who used "it got me as a kid" as an argument was you.

>>11850520
>If there's anything about this era I don't miss, it's everything being shrouded in mystery, and people spreading rumors and outright lies.
That's literally the best part and something modern games are sorely missing.

>>11836598 (OP)
Being the one thing that kept Nintendo going through the desolate N64 era.