Thread 11837594

What games have suffered the most ruthless re-evaluations compared to when they were originally released?

I remember this getting perfect scores all over the place at the time, but nowadays it seems almost universally reviled.

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>>11837594 (OP)
>ruthless
That's entirely the wrong word to describe something that tends to involve no real insight or ultimately amount to much beyond a very specific target audience.

>>11837594 (OP)
Sonic is and will always be the answer for this

Obligatory

>>11837594 (OP)
I was there. I got the game for Christmas the year it came out. It fucking sucked. The fact it got good scores (though not as high as you imply) really discredited a lot of game mags in my eye. I have no idea why people defend this game.

>>11837695
It has a 90 metacritic score

>>11837594 (OP)
>nowadays it seems almost universally reviled
What's the cause of this massive shift in opinion?

>>11837659
>muh 8 way whipping makes the game too easy
Just play the game with 2 way whipping then. Now you got yourself a much more challenging game

>>11837695
Nah I got the n64 that came with it as a pack it and it fuckin rocked.

>>11837824
People older than 12 played the game

>>11837910
Adults were writing glowing reviews back then. Something changed and might just be a generational thing, like how point and click adventure games used to be really popular but are now panned for their "moon logic" with today's audiences not wanting anything to do with them.

>>11837824
Peoples attention spans got whittled down to nothing by the internet.

>>11837915
I think it’s funny that this site is so inherently distrustful of game journos in general…they’re all SHILLS…until they give a good score to your pet game then it becomes undeniable proof that a piece of shit like DK 64 is “actually good”

>>11837921
To be fair, games journalism used to be passionate nerds talking about what was a nerd hobby. The industry has changed quite a bit over the years.

>>11837921
Usually if they were paid off and the game actually sucked they would give the game a seven rather than a nine.

>>11837824
>>11837915
We've been over this many times. By Rare's own admission DK64 was designed with a "quantity over quality" philosophy, with the reasoning that kids back then could only afford to buy a few games and so with this they'd have something that lasted them months. That shit doesn't fly in the current year when everyone one has thousands of games at their fingertips at all times and can definitely find something more fun and immediately satisfying to play.

>>11837939
>By Rare's own admission DK64 was designed with a "quantity over quality" philosophy
That's pretty damning if true. Cynical way to design a game.

>>11837607
The Sonic Was Never Good era ended with the release of Mania

>>11837835
Calm down, James.

>>11837947
That doesn't make sense because no one has weeks to review a game.

>>11837915
Nintendo game reviews were always bullshit, they've been buying of "video game journalists" since the early 90's. Remember Nintendo power? No matter how shit the game was they said it was good, they even gave Superman 64 a good review.

>>11838126
Can you give me some examples that don't include a magazine literally run by nintendo?

>>11838126
Sounds similar to how Disney buys good reviews from movie critics. The Lion King was a ripoff of Kimba, stripped down of anything interesting, and critics acted like it was some amazing revelation.

>>11837594 (OP)
I think a large contributing factor is emulation. The game relies heavily on framerate slowdowns for stuff, but PC's these days are just so powerful that the FPS stays consistently high, and it causes the game to be ridiculously difficult out of nowhere. I think people are very "nose blind" to this sort of thing, and are quick to chalk the game up to being really bad. picrel there's still people who love the game despite quirks

>>11837797
so this means TLOU2 deserved the praise and GOTY status?

>>11838479
Tastes have changed for the worse as gaming became more mainstream.

>>11837594 (OP)
I was there when it originally released and hated it, just because journalist said it was good doesn't mean shit.

>>11837607
The Adventure games definitely earned the criticism.

>>11838460
>The lights out minigame

Its literally a pain in the ass on Wii U

>>11837594 (OP)
>Um it's bad because it's OLD
>Um it's bad because you have to have a PASSWORD
>Um it's bad because it's HARD
>Um it's bad because you have to make a MAP

>outsold every other game in the series

>>11838629
Pretty sure Prime 1 and Dread outsold it

>>11838669
nta, surely Prime being a bundled game affect that?

>>11837594 (OP)
The tornado is not actually needed to beat the game.

>>11838496
>no that doesnt count!

>>11838723
It really doesn't, though.

>>11838726
neither it did for DK64

>>11837607
Did people like the original games a lot? I remember liking the imagery, but not really wanting to play the games much. You can see that's really common now, but I thought it I was fairly representative back then too. Opposite of mario nes which was just damn fun gameplay and i didn't give a fuck what the worlds were supposed to be or about the 'characters'

>>11838124
Which is exactly why the reviews are so obvious upon reading them now, in how deluded (or deceptive) they are. These teenagers who got flow out free to Las Vegas or some shit to play it for 1.5 hours are blowing their loads on the page about it. Dude you are giddy because this was the first time you went on a plane

>>11837607
>>11838107
"The Sonic Was Never Good Era" was really stupid and foolish and a lot of the criticism simply came from people who were terrible at video games or biased tendies that had a bone to pick with Sonic.

>>11839567
Bro Sonic had been an honorary Nintendo franchise since the GBA/GC

>>11839635
Lots of millennials grew up in the era where Sonic was a rival to Mario on another platform and never got over it.

>>11837594 (OP)
I think its a great game, and it's funny to me that people think it's too big and has too many collectibles but then will say they like Banjo Tooie which is like 5 times as big. I genuinely think most people that talk shit about it haven't played it, which is too bad since I think its one of the better games on N64.

I hope it gets a PC port soon like other N64 games have been getting, it would be great to play it at a better framerate.

There was a Castlevania poll in 2015 on /vr/, and IV came out 2nd place, after SOTN.
No matter how much 1 or 2 guys try to force their shit in, liking IV is not controversial here.
As for Castlevania fans in general, IV came out number 1 on CV Dungeon forums poll.

>>11840120
>decade old poll

>>11840406
It's still the one guy calling anyone who likes Castlevania 4 "James", making reference to avgn. He's been here for a decade, yes.

>>11839642
>I hope it gets a PC port soon
same

>>11839556
I don't have the image on hand but there's a compilation of reviews from magazines around the World that gave glowing reviews of Sonic 1-3&K. As well as it's high ratings for both of it's early cartoons and the high sales of the Archie Comic. Sonic was respected at the time and it was only when Youtube started that the California Rich Family Circle (JonTron, Egoraptor, Jesse Cox, etc) & the Web 2.0 Journalists started that they were able to influence change on perspective to get clicks by igniting anger. We're still seeing their influence today because they were big at a key point of time in internet culture.
And anecdotally, Sonic was respected and appreciated by the average gamer. Sure there was a rivalry but any Nintendo die hard I met always appreciated the Sonic games for their creativity and solid gameplay.

>>11841707
Also around the same time sonic games went to shit with stuff like 06

>>11841719
Very true, I'll not defend 06. It was made at the worst time possible with the least amount of dev time. Just stupid.

>>11838672
Prime was a bundled game?

>>11839567
I like Sonic, but there is a very legitimate point to be made about Sonic being fundamentally flawed. Every one of those games has at least one bad level, and pre-widescreen hacks, you really didn't have the screen space you needed.
I think even the developers were conscious of this, since they give you the ring health system, which is like the most forgiving health system in a platformer. Which also probably accounts for some of Sonic's popularity, since anyone can just stumble through those games, regardless of being hit every ten seconds.

>>11837594 (OP)
>at the time
All game reviewers were paid shills at the time.

>>11839637
Those people are literally like 50.
The "Nintendo fans are the problem" thing is such a cope. Show me these same people talking shit about Crash Bandicoot.

>>11837597
>Child trans Charity
>Mermaids
This should not exist.