Thread 11838980

how good is it?

It's a collection of individual emulators running on the same framework, so it all depends on per system basis. Some systems are really well made, while others are half-assed.

>>11838980 (OP)
>not sold in my country
>gotta resort to Ebay and extremely high shipping fees
I don't know OP, I don't think I'll ever try one.

>>11839152
Does Taki not ship to your country? I checked his site's shipping information and didn't see anything about not being able to ship to specific countries. He just opened up preorders for Batch 4 for $125, a lot cheaper than what I a paid for my Batch 3, and comes with some nice extras like an RTC and N64 SNAC adapter.

>>11838980 (OP)
It’s great if you have severe autism. Otherwise don’t bother, PC emulators have existed for decades.

>>11838980 (OP)
I have only the original DE10 and the Retro Remake variants, but if QMtech shares similar qualities it should be a great experience. The community has done some amazing work with all sorts of cores. You can measure lag on your displays, calibrate your screens, and also convert it over to a scaler for your consoles. The portability makes it my goto device to bring over to friends/hotels to enjoy games.

>>11839196
What can one do with a SNAC RTC? What would utilize it best?

>>11838980 (OP)
Well I have real consoles and a gaming PC. The only strength I see in the MiSTer is the ability to build a custom arcade cabinet with the MiSTer inside. Other than that, it's overpriced for emulating consoles and the configuration can be a hassle. Wouldn't recommend it, especially if you own a gaming PC.

>>11839331
> but if QMtech shares similar qualities it should be a great experience
I generally recommend against the QMTech one if you have other options, since unlike the DE-10 and Retro Remake boards the QM DE-10 has a different pinout for the expansion boards and is not compatible with many standard accessories that would work fine on he Terasisc/RetroRemake DE-10 boards.

>What can one do with a SNAC RTC?
No no, they're two separate things.

The RTC is just an RTC-add on that plugs into an internal port, it has nothing to do with SNAC.

It also comes with an N64 SNAC adapter.

The SNAC Adapter and RTC are just two separate extras, they have nothing to do with each other. If you already have a MiSTer and you want an RTC you can just buy an RTC add-on for it, they're pretty cheap. It's just so the MiSTer can keep track of the time if no internet connection is available (as well as instantly have the time on boot instead of waiting to get an internet connection), useful to keep track of save files and used in some cores (such as GBA and AO486) that support it.

>>11839334
>it's overpriced
It's $125

>the configuration can be a hassle
You flash a file to a SD card then plug it in

>>11839340
$430 for a completed MiSTer. I know it went down in price from $615, but it's still overpriced all because of "muh FPGA".

>>11839230
8 and 16 bit emulation is cycle accurate on PC already. The use case for FPGA is marginal at best, if not purely academic.

>>11839339
Good to know, since I've only tried the Dexx board on the standard DE10, but have yet to try it onto the Retro Remake one. I falsely assumed the QMtech one OP posted was very similar, so I may be wrong on the options available.

Thanks for clearing up my misunderstandings. I misread and was confused, thought both were SNAC and I had no clue what controllers or inputs would need a clock and was truly baffled. Thought there was some special light gun from an arcade or something (I was thinking Silent Scope).

11839347
You're not even getting a (You)

>>11839393
Probably doesn't even use his MiSTer. He takes it out of a storage container to take a picture. And it goes right back into the storage container.

lying cunt

Nice job cropping out that you picked the most expensive version, which is still not even half that $430 bullshit.

>>11839685
That's the mister pi. The real Mister is $600

Not even going to acknowledge that troll response

>>11839721
is the mister pi the same thing?

>>11839791
And does it come with everything you need to play for $125? Or do I need to buy more accessories? I already have USB controllers. Just want to know how much to expect to spend.

>>11839685
NTA but the $185 bundle is what you want

Kega Fusion already does this.

>>11839795
Already have a Turbo pack from Batch 3, but I personally would prefer the mega pack. I don't need it to be pre-assembled for me.

Though to be fair, the included case, sdcard, and N64 SNAC adapter in the Turbo bundle is a lot cheaper than if you were to buy them separate.

Though I would recommend also tossing in that $5 WiFi/Bluetooth adapter... and probably that SNES SNAC adapter too since it's cheap. Yeah there are better SNAC adapters that support 2 players instead of just 1, but it comes with a compatible USB cable and many places charge $10+ for just that cable alone.

>>11839795
Already have a Turbo pack from Batch 3, but I personally would prefer the cheaper mega pack. I don't need it to be pre-assembled for me. Anyone who has no interest in plugging it into a CRT would be just fine with the even cheaper RAM bundle.

Though to be fair, case, sdcard, and N64 SNAC adapter that comes with the Turbo bundle is a lot cheaper than if you were to buy them separate from somewhere else along with the Mega bundle.

If you are getting either I would recommend also tossing in that $5 WiFi/Bluetooth adapter... and probably that SNES SNAC adapter too since it's cheap. Yeah there are better SNES SNAC adapters that support 2 players instead of just 1, but it comes with a compatible USB cable and many places charge $10+ for just that cable alone. Many cables won't work properly for SNAC adapters.

>>11839795
Already have a Turbo pack from Batch 3 (Came with a SNES SNAC and level shifter0, but I personally would prefer the cheaper mega pack. I don't need it to be pre-assembled for me. Anyone who has no interest in plugging it into a CRT would be just fine with the even cheaper RAM bundle.

Though to be fair, case, sdcard, and N64 SNAC adapter that comes with the Turbo bundle is a lot cheaper than if you were to buy them separate from somewhere else along with the Mega bundle.

If you are getting either I would recommend also tossing in that $5 WiFi/Bluetooth adapter... and probably that SNES SNAC adapter too since it's cheap. Yeah there are better SNES SNAC adapters that support 2 players instead of just 1, but it comes with a compatible USB cable and many places charge $10+ for just that cable alone. Many cables won't work properly for SNAC adapters. Also judging by the photos the SNES SNAC adapter they are selling on that site has the level shifter built in, normally you would need to plug in a separate level shifter first THEN the SNAC adapter (except PS1 and N64, possibly GBA too).

Maybe that NFC thing would be fun since again the one being sold there is cheap but personally I doubt I would ever use something like that over just using the Favorites script.

bundle this, board that.. I'll stick to emulating on the Wii. Much simpler and does 240p output

>>11839795
so $185 for everything you need? or do you have to buy more stuff

>>11839791
Yes, it's a clone of the DE-10 and a 100% drop-in replacement for the Terasic version. The only difference being it uses a USB-C port for power instead of a barrel jack. (It also has a USB header to connect it to it's USB hub easier, but you can still connect it the old way Terasic boards do)

>And does it come with everything you need to play for $125?
It comes with the DE-10 board, the SDRAM, and a fan, which alone is enough to run every single core and the games for it over HDMI. What it's missing from most MiSTer setups is the USB hub (You can use any USB hub though if you don't care how it looks) and the analog board for if you want to connect it to a CRT. If you want those you can get the Mega (Though that one appears to be sold out right now) or Turbo pack. The Mega pack includes the USB Hub and Analog board as well as an RTC board as an extra. The Turbo pack on top of everything in the Mega pack also comes with a case, a 64GB MicroSD card, a N64 SNAC adapter, and comes fully assembled and pre-setup.

None of them come with the WiFi/Bluetooth adpater which I would recommend, though it does have an Ethernet port if that's not an issue for you and you don't care about using bluetooth controllers. The internet is only really needed to update it, and to get the time on boot if you don't have an RTC installed.

>>11839925
The $185 includes everything you need to run any core/game over HDMI as well as to output to analog screens, as well as comes pre-assembled and with a SD card pre-setup with the software. It also comes with a few extras like the RTC module and a N64 SNAC adapter. Only thing I would think anyone needing is the $5 WiFi/Bluetooth module, but that's only if you can't plug it in for when you need updates (The RTC will take care of needing the internet to keep the time every reboot) or want to use bluetooth controllers.

There's always more optional accessories one can add, but none of them are needed, like SNAC adapters for other consoles.

>>11838980 (OP)
If you have to ask then its not worth it for you.

>>11839989
How does the analog output work? I know it can do a variety of output types but I'll need at least an additional cable if I want component output right?

>>11839994
I've been asking for years and now the price seems finally worth it and I'm going to buy one now

>>11840008
Nevermind I found the answer. It can output component or 15khz RGB over a vga connector. I just need the right cable

>>11839362
It's the only lagless way to get emulation on a regular TV (i.e. not a high refresh-rate monitor).

For some reason RetroArch and all the other emulators have V-Sync lag on my 60Hz TV that adds like 2-3 frames of lag that doesn't exist on my 240Hz monitor. That 60Hz TV has 10ms of lag, which is really good considering even CRTs only have like 8ms (middle of screen test), so that V-Sync lag ruins that. With MiSTer, you just turn on the low-lag setting in .ini and it works with same lag as OG hardware on CRT

It's also by far the most easy and headache-free way to connecting to a CRT. It basically gives you RGB-modded consoles where you just plug in a cable and it works. No fiddling with settings, fucking about with a dozen different cables, using annoying shit like CRT Switchres, or anything like that.

Also you get shit like GroovyMiSTer, which I've never tried, but is supposed to be a really fucking genius way to easily play MAME with no lag on your CRT using your MiSTer.

And it's just a really convenient form factor for a small, but very capable, no lag, and extremely accurate emulator box

>>11840008
Ideally you would find a CRT with component then just get a VGA to component cable like this

https://misteraddons.com/products/vga-ypbpr-video-cables

There is also a way to do S-video, and I think all the major cores support it, but not every core, or something like that. And then you can also further do S-video to composite, I think? Idk, never really tried it. Again, ideally you want a CRT with component, or just get a PVM.

But most of the time, I honestly just want to play on my 4k TV. It looks really clean, it's basically like having a 4k RetroTink, and I really like how N64 looks with the "clean HDMI" option.

>11839418
>11839551
>11839685
>Caring about (you's)
>Crying like a bitch
>Edits the prices via photoshop
Nice try, but that's what it says on MiSTerAddOn shill.

>>11840038
The "VGA" port on the MiSTer isn't necessarily a VGA port (though you can set it up to act like one) but more of a multi-output for video. You can set it to output composite, component, s-video, scart, rgb, whatever, and then just get or make the appropriate SUB-D 15 to whatever connector you want cable.

It's actually possible to do something like this through the HDMI port now too so you don't even need an analog board to get analog out from it, but this does mean you can't output to hdmi and analog at the same time if you do that.

>>11840030
>With MiSTer, you just turn on the low-lag setting in .ini and it works with same lag as OG hardware on CRT
Wow, the mister can travel back in time? That's incredible!

>even CRTs only have like 8ms
Yes but 0ms latency, meaning the crt always renders the most up to date frame possible, which is impossible on modern displays (thus the time travel joke)

>>11839690
tHe rEaL mIstER...
You're retarded.

>>11840020
There's also ways to do Composite and S-Video.

>>11838980 (OP)
i only care about fami/sufami and a handful of megadrivel, so its original hardware for me with zero fpga bugs or ugly boxes that look like diy guitar pedals with a mess of cables and adaptors.

People always talk about the console systems with the Mister, but where it really shines is with the computer support, Atari ST, Amiga, etc. These are fantastic and can do things that are harder to do on purely software emulators like hardware MIDI which can often have timing issues, but none of those issues exist when using the mister. This is granted niche use cases, but they do exist.

>>11845034
They are fantastic. They don't get brought up in these threads because the only people here are console kiddies. Otherwise enough people would understand what MiSTer is.

>>11844906
>diy guitar pedals with a mess of cables and adaptors.
Oh yes, good thing we don't have that with consoles...

Also it's just a case, you can put it in anything, including cases that look like consoles.

>>11845034
>>11845157
Pretty much, yes. It supports as many computers as it does consoles, and many of those are a pain to setup on real hardware. Good luck getting something like a X86000 without paying out the ass for it. Though you do need a MT-32 Pi for eternal MiDi, the MiSTer can't do that (well) on it's own.

>>11845034
Nobody gives a fuck about those computers, just being honest. Even if you took every exclusive, or even at least every port that is best or offers a meaningful advantage, on every one of those computers platforms, it would still have a relevant library like 1/50th the size of just the SNES.

There is a reason people poke fun at yuros that grew up with shit like the "Zed X" Spectrum.

>>11845189
Going to have to disagree, especially since 486-based IBMs are among the list of computers MiSTer supports, to say nothing also of systems notable for games like the Commodore64 or Amiga.

>>11845172
Have both real romplers and a mt32pi. I've also used Nuked.

>>11845189
Some people are just too retarded for computers.
>just being honest.

>>11845189
>Talks about non-gaming application
>Responds posting purely about gaming
Retard

>>11845357
Anon, this might blow your mind, but there are games on computers.

>>11845338
Nobody gives a fuck about some shitty european computer from the 80s. This is only appealing for like 5 autistic hobbyists in the entire world.

near instant power on, Easy vga->scart to CRT. Use the right controllers and its pure nostalgia without the hassle of trying to get clean signals out of classic hardware. Possibly the only downside is that I dont particularly like the text menu but that might be fixed soon. (and would be similar on an everdrive anyway. yes I use roms, I dont give a fuck about collecting a wall full of games to show off on the internet)

>>11845336
>I've also used Nuked.
With the Mister?
How do you go about doing that?

>>11845836
Nobody gives a fuck what some retard too dumb for computers has to say on the matter.

>>11847381
>oh man I love big shitty IBM mainframes from 1959!
>oh what's that? You don't care??? YOU'RE JUST TOO FUCKING STUPID!!!
You sound like a fucking autistic simpleton. No, nobody on earth cares about this shit except like 5 autistic hobbyists. Some shitty mainframe computer from 1959, some shitty Apple computer from 1981, same difference, no one gives a fuck.

>>11838980 (OP)
How do you guys deal with burn-in/gate lock?
I rotate cores every 20 minutes but it's annoying in games that you can't save in.
I heard some of the clones are better with this, or at least it's not permanent like on the terasic boards. Is that true?

>>11847765
You seem upset. Perhaps you should calm down with some speccy games :)

>>11847825
this some kind of meme? This isn't a thing

>>11847825
Gate grease, idiot.

>>11847834
It's an attempt at a forced meme/disinformation, just like the MiSTer costs $600 thing.

>>11838980 (OP)
I have an original de-10 build and I got a misterpi cause I had $180 to spare and I figured if tariffs come in then itd drive the price up down the line. Definitely still a niche item for serious retro enthusiasts, but it’s surprisingly versatile. The dual output analog/digital is really sweet because you can play on a crt and a capture card at the same time. Lots of earlier systems have small quality of life hacks like reduced sprite flicker on nes in the options menus.
For whatever reason there are a handful of lurkers on this board who go out of their way to shit on mister every chance they get, and also give off the impression they’ve never used one.. not sure what that’s about but I can see from your replies they’ve already found this thread, too.
I keep a pretty minimal setup in my livingroom and the mister works well for that. I have original nintendo and sega consoles, but the wires and everything just becomes a mess. Bottom line you want to sink some time into the project it is a nice way to enjoy a wide range of retro gaming in a compact package. If you can get a misterpi when the next batch launches then I think its worth the money no contest. I’ve tested it and it works just as good as the real thing. Nearly $500 for a real mister with a de-10 is not worth for most use cases though.

>>11847765
The conversational thread you're pretending to participate in OPENED with "This is granted niche use cases, but they do exist." In that post, there was nothing insulting people who only care about consoles. Your minor and obvious point was explicitly granted from the start and you are picking a fight over nothing. Post somewhere else for a while.

>>11847765

nobody gives a fuck about you being blasted about computers but you still keep proving it for some reason. Calm down, play some NES games.

When are going to get the damn cores for Moonwalker, Shadow Dancer, Sunset Riders, and Neo Geo Pocket Color already? Usually Jotego's cores remain in beta for about 1-2 months before becoming free to the public, in some extreme cases 4-5 months. These damn things have been in beta for over a year at this point, NGPC doesn't even have the excuse of "Waiting until all the games on that board are supported" like other arcade hardware does, not that even that argument is reasonable anymore when the cores for the boards that ran Moonwalker and Sunset Riders were left alone for a year and just last month got more games (also in beta) added to them.

>>11847765
Absolute retard.

>>11848360
I hate the way he names his cores. Also remember how TMNT the arcade game was released to the public. And then Jotego took the project over that was pretty much finished and update all then erased it off of everyone's SD card and it was placed behind Jotego's paywall for another year and a half?

>>11849237
>then erased it off of everyone's SD card
Blame that on Update_All maintainer. The "proper" way of handling cores is to download them manually and copy to your Micro SD card.

>>11849268
You're right, but not everyone does that.
Why did it take Jotego another year and a half to rerelease what had already been made public?

>>11849296
Technically furtek's TMNT core was unfinished and had visible bugs. What Jotego did was take description of decapped chips obtained by furtek and rebuild the TMNT core entirely from scratch. Furtek made it clear on several occasions that he hates actually maintaining HDL cores (see many bugs in Neo Geo core which weren't ironed out until the last year), so he was glad to pass further work on somebody else.
I wonder what are Jotego's plans on Turtles in Time now though. I believe the Sunset Riders core is being permanently paywalled until it is updated with Turtles in Time support, running on similar hardware. Well, in May that martian bastard atrac17 released a free TMNT2 core which runs on MiSTer and actually has some neat QoL features. Releasing Turtles in Time behind a paywall would be a bit awkward for Jotego.

>>11838980 (OP)
I just don't understand what would compel people to spend several hundreds dollars for something you can do for free on basically any computer or mobile device today.

>>11849356
I got my mister for free.

>>11849359
that's fine, but most people don't, and I still don't see the point of messing with bulky physical hardware when you can just software emulate.

>>11849356
>I just don't understand
Clearly

>>11849396
>smugly retardposts
>doesn't explain anything
typical mister xister

Better off getting a Wii and modding it of you wanna use it with a CRT.

>>11849693
If by "better off" you mean worse emulation, fewer options, godawful interface, limited controller options, and a clumsy messy console with too many components, then sure.

>>11849680
You already said you don't understand.

>>11839362
Arcade cores on mister are great, and MAME sucks shit.

>>11849693

>saturn
>ps1

sure thing bud.

>>11846857
Owning the games is more spiritually satisfying than owning ROMs.

>Tetris pieces being offset by one pixel before getting locked in has finally been fixed in Sega System 18 core
HALLELUJAH

>>11849940
>godawful interface
You never even have to see the home menu with the priiloader mod

>>11852192

probably, but I dont see the point.
it will absolutely horrify collectors, but I even threw out al the boxes of my ps2/dc/gc collection and just kept the disks in a wallet.
yeah i slightly regret than now, not because I want them displayed on a shelf but because i could have got more money for them on ebay as i've got them all as roms anyway.

>>11839196
Well damn, last time I checked my country wasn't there but now it is. Noice.

Looks like someone managed to make an addon for the Multisystem2 that lets you run physical Gameboy carts on it.

I would love to have the ability to load either roms or physical carts in these things someday.

Just ordered the Reptile

>>11853615
Don't forget to replace the stock power supply with a 4A Mean Well one.

>>11853615

do not forget SNAC