Thread 11848525

Do you play games at the correct aspect ratio?

For many consoles, SNES included, there is no objectively correct AR. I know this is a troll thread, but it bears repeating for all the zoomies to hear. As long the game looks vaguely correct most of the time and it isn't stretched into 16:9 like some Brazilian Longplay channel on YouTube, I don't care.

Your example, Super Metroid, has tiles that look incorrect in 8:7 by the way. There is no winning.

>>11848531
>Your example, Super Metroid, has tiles that look incorrect in 8:7 by the way.
Not OP, but care to show some?

>>11848531
If there is no correct AR, then what's your issue with 16:9?

>>11848531
There is a correct AR but it's often not quite 4:3 due to pixel clock shenanigans.

If it's square then I'm happy

>>11848534
Zebes in the intro, the ending screwattack symbol for percentage complete, parts of the equipment screen.
>>11848537
Don't be retarded

Right looks better, more easy on the eyes. Left side has everything looking squeezed and Metroid is too skinny, almost makes him look like a woman.

>>11848525 (OP)
Yes.

>>11848559
Right is harder on the eyes, makes Samus look like a fat Mexican.

>>11848525 (OP)
Bro I literally played this on a color tv with knobs on it and a coat hanger on the back of to watch like 3 or 4 grainy channels. The concept of aspect ratio never occurred to me.
>t. Boomer

>>11848627
so did I. Then I replayed it, superior and better than ever.

4:3 for sure! The size is much better.

>>11848806
looks like shit

>>11848815
I feel sorry for you.

>>11848828
> I feel sorry for you.
I got 99 problems but aspect ratio ain’t one.

>>11848542
>>11848525 (OP)
go to the store and buy a bag of non-square pixels
because neither PAL nor NTSC had square pixels bro
you are welcome

>>11848828
>feel sorry for you
-r mother

>>11848828
>I feel sorry for you.
-r mother

>>11848828
>>11848853
what did you say about my mama?

>>11848525 (OP)
Who the fuck even notices shit like this

>>11848525 (OP)
All the TVs in my childhood displayed games at 4:3, so that's the correct aspect ratio.

>>11848525 (OP)
5:4

>>11848525 (OP)
I hope so. Stretching the graphics is not good.

Of course
You never said anything about correct resolution

>>11848938
that jitter hurts my eyes

>>11848890
How about squashing them?

>>11848879
>>11849023
your childhood was wrong
chrono trigger was 8:7

>>11848525 (OP)
If it's a console game, I play it at 4:3.
Anything else is autism.

when i was a kid growing up playing most of these games i didnt care about aspect ratio or filters. i just popped the games into my consoles and had a good time. people these days argue about the stupidest shit

>>11848859
I understood that reference.
hurry up and buy

>>11848525 (OP)
always fullscreen even if it stretches

depends on the game, but usually 8:7

>>11848537
>if there is no single uniquely correct thing, then that means all things are permitted and equally good
kys retard

>>11848815
>SNES game
>dot matrix shader

>>11848542
>There is a correct AR but it's often not quite 4:3 due to pixel clock shenanigans
I know which AR you're talking about (often referred to as NTSC in emulators and the bottom one in pic related, with the middle one being 4:3), but the reality is that not all developers cared and some games look better with square pixels and vice versa

>>11848525 (OP)
is one of those things i literally give zero fucks about

>>11850007
Are you really contrarian enough to say you'd enjoy playing like this?

>>11850043
>go out of your way to make it as wrong as possible
>THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE DO!
ok

>>11849315
>>11849023
Again with this?

>>11848525 (OP)
As long as it's in the ballpark, it's good. Playing stretched to shit is retarded
You're welcome

>>11850064
Bro I paid for it so I'm gonna use all of it

>>11850109
Jared, put the gun down. We'll play with the screen stretched, no biggie. Just let the hostages go

>>11850064
I bet it's not even run through a proper upscaler.

>>11850064
I love this picture because everytime I see it I just imagine the dude plugging in all his controllers he spent 3x msrp on into the N64, turning it on, taking the picture, then shutting it off without playing since hes home alone and browsing tiktok for 8 hours.

>>11850052
To be fair, I have genuinely seen something stretched that much on YouTube, and it wasn't being done as a joke. (It was a DS game and the broken person who made the video had stacked the emulated screens vertically and then stretched both of them horizontally.) MANY people are broken to the extent that they don't recognize a difference between 16:9 and 4:3. How far could their brokenness really extend? Would they casually accept this 32:9 image of Mario 3? Probably not. But what about, say, 22:9 or 26:9? You don't know where the boundary is. All we can say is that it's at least as high as 16:9, and that that is already far too high.

>>11848525 (OP)
SNES is not 4:3. The pixel clock was derived from a whole number division of the master clock. They did not have the freedom to set it to the precise value required for 4:3 equivalent pixel aspect.

>>11848591
Whats with the crochet filter.

>>11850762
nigger I have no clue what the fuck any of that means

>>11848525 (OP)
He opened the can of worms AGAIN.

>>11850771
MOAR!
WIDER!

>>11848525 (OP)
4:3 nostalgia fags are retarded, literally every NES/SNES ive played looks noticeably better in PPR, its painfully obvious devs didnt account for the stretch.

>>11849315
>your childhood was wrong
No, my childhood is the only one that's right.
>chrono trigger was 8:7
Incorrect, Chrono Trigger was in 4:3 on my 4:3 TV.

>>11848525 (OP)
how wouldn't you play correctly
you could only play correctly

>>11848525 (OP)
Depends how far away from the screen I play. In window mode I'll play pixel perfect, from a distance I'll always stretch the ratio to my liking unless it's a 3D game.

Non-square pixels only look fine on a CRT

>>11851485
That's why we have crt shaders.

>>11851485
Sharp bilinear solves every scaling and ratio issue if you want a raw look
Only downside is that it gets blurrier the lower res your display is, but pic related looks perfect on a 1440p display

>>11848531
This.

>>11848627
The concept of aspect ratio is not exclusive to videogames or televisions. Idiots come in all ages.

Stretching the native image to 4:3 in an emulator doesn't account for overscan.

>>11851710
Most modern emulators have an NTSC aspect ratio now which is the correct one
See >>11850006 where the middle one is 4:3 and the bottom one is NTSC

>>11851727
In Castlevania the huge black space at the top or bottom are meant to be offscreen
You crop that out and your 4:3 image now looks fine, probably a similar ratio to the bottom image

>>11850607
1:1, 4:3, 5:4, and 8:7 are all basically interchangeable to me, I just stretch the image to fit my VGA monitor and call it a day.

Honestly one time I saw a picture of someone playing Mega Man 7 stretched to fill a 16:9 monitor and it was eye opening because the person was at the very end of the game. More than I can say for most of the people in screenshot or CRT threads

>>11849987
Yup.
: )
>>11851469
your childhood was wrong and extremely gay. the snes is a ghetto piece of shit. Only emulation Chad's get the optimal experience. Cope for ever and die, bitch made.

>>11851859
>your childhood was wrong and extremely gay.
Literally impossible. My childhood was the most objectively correct and heterosexual of any childhood.
Source: Me

>>11848525 (OP)
>Do you play games at the correct aspect ratio?
That reminds me. I need to try playing Doom at 320x200.

Forget SNES autismo, what is the actual correct aspect ratio for Genesis and Playstation games running at 320x224?

>>11851876
>what is the actual correct aspect ratio for Genesis and Playstation games running at 320x224?
Realistically, wouldn't it actually be something like 480i if played on a television?

>>11851859
>First boss

Put the phone down and play the damn game zoomie

>>11851876
4:3
The correct answer for literally everything is 4:3 as thats the aspect ratio of the display it self.
Internal render resolution ratio doesn't matter. Not all pixels were square back in the day of CRTs.

>>11852074
incorrect.
see:
>>11849315

Your childhood is wrong, gay retard

>>11851903
Beat countless games this year, unlike you faggot

>>11850006
The middle one looks correct, because a circle is supposed to be a circle and that one has the most circular circle.

once you start using 8:7 you realize how shit 4:3 actually is. I feel bad for boomers who didnt have a choice and played all those classics in stretchy mode.

>>11852729
incorrect, the bottom one is the most circle

>>11851859
>snes game
>lcd dot matrix shader

>>11851870
Doom is a 3d game, pixel aspect ratio does not matter since everything is scaled anyway.

>>11852074
You are ignoring overscan. The games pixels do not exactly fit onto the screen. You may be seeing a 4:3 rectangle, but if you take into account the hidden pixels, the real aspect ratio is not 4:3. Emulators typically show all the pixels, rather than cropping like the TV does, if you show all the pixels, they should not be displayed in 4:3, only the cropped region is 4:3

>>11852695
No, the correct ratio again is 4:3, which is the displays resolution. How the fuck is this even debatable when its the ratio that everyone, including the devs had the game running on hardware at the time?
Some artists took this in to account when making art for the system the difference of the internal resolution rendering ratio, some didn't. You just have to accept that.

>>11852695
When you roughly have 4-8 pixels in every direction being part of the overscan its (roughly) the same ratio at presentation anon....

>>11853002
>some artists took this in to account

seems like the vast majority didnt to me. enjoy your shitty wide worlds.

>>11848525 (OP)
No, i play on original hardware ;)

Depends. If it's a 2d game, I'll play it in 4:3. But if it's a 3d game I'll play it in 16:9

>>11852898
Overscan doesn't affect pixel aspect ratio. It's cropping, not scaling.

>>11853047
Literally as intended. Its how it fucking shipped and played back in the day.

>>11853086
thats like saying sprite flicker and texture warp is "as intended". pretty sure nintendo intended for the squares and circles in super metroid to be, ya know, squares and circles.

>>11853169
>thats like saying sprite flicker and texture warp is "as intended"
It literally is. Thats how the hardware fundamentally functioned

>>11848525 (OP)
i play it in 4:3, emulated in retroarch and displayed on a CRT monitor running at 2560x240 (to avoid scaling artifacts) at 120hz (to keep the signal within range.)

>>11853169
Its too simplistic to focus just on squares and circles. These systems are tile based. Art in these games are typically drawn to fit exactly into tiles. This is a hardware limitation that is separate from other aspects of the art design. So you might end up with a situation where the larger objects respect proper aspect ratio, whilst smaller objects are snapped to tiles. In a effect, many games don't really have a correct aspect ratio.

>>11853182
> 120hz
Throws away the primary reason to use a CRT, that being motion clarity. Unless frame rate matches refresh rate then the CRT is pointless.

>>11853191
plenty clear to me, but i'll change it up to 2560x480 if i ever find the clarity lacking.

>whole thread is 4:3 luddites coping

like clockwork

>>11853217
>luddites
You're on a board dedicated to decades old hardware and software.

>>11853241
yeah and is turns out you can enjoy those games the way they were actually intended to be viewed without hardware quirks preventing that. but even with all of the direct visual evidence in the world it doesnt matter to you retards because "way we did it back then=correct" which is literally the only argument 4:3 retards can muster.

>>11853257
Ah yes, pixel perfect scaling on square pixel LCD monitors... just the way games from the 80s and 90s were INTENDED to be viewed.

>>11848525 (OP)
>zoomie tell alert

yes just as god intended

>>11853257
>yeah and is turns out you can enjoy those games the way they were actually intended to be viewed
You really think the devs did not play the games during development on 4:3 monitors/tvs themselves? I mean, do whatever you want but your reasoning is fucking retarded.

Guys don't be autistic. Go outside. I believe in you. You are better than this

>>11852697
>june 17th

>>11853540
Yeah, that was this year you dumb nigger

>>11853449
They drew them on their pc monitors, dumb ass

>>11854296
Yes, and?

>>11853086
it shipped wrong and played bad on a ghetto undercooked shitbox

>>11854302
>Has zero comeback other then "You're wrong, and the engineers that designed the system were wrong!"
k

>>11853002
incorrect, see:
>>11849315

>>11854304
They display their own art wrong. The engineers were indeed retarded, the snes is terribly designed. The artists didn't want the fucking moon to be a squished oval, and they didn't want every character to be a fat Mexican.

>>11854312
>Thinks the artists were not aware of how the system worked and never once saw their work in dev builds of the game
Delusional.

>>11850043
I play like this

>>11854313
They were rushed, genuinely didn't have time to bother.
>thinks they wanted all of the official art to be stretched

they didn't. cope faggot.

>>11852729
Human eyes tend to play tricks and compress things horizontally
If you look at the image on it's side you can clearly see that the bottom (now right) one is the most circular

>>11852764
Kids today don't notice the difference between 4:3 and 16:9. Do you really think kids back then noticed that 4:3 wasn't 8:7?

>>11854604
(And since this is a Reddit-style nitpicking war in which you have to misinterpret everybody as hard as possible to "win", I'll specify my point: If people would look at the two versions of the image and say, and feel, that the two are the same, then they aren't gonna be helped or harmed by whichever choice their hardware makes for them. Kids like stupid, ugly, poorly made crap all the time. They are numb to its flaws, and numb to the finest positive qualities of well-made things.)

>>11854610
>If people would look at the two versions of the image and say, and feel, that the two are the same
They dont do that. Dumb people and kids tolerate the stretched mode because they dont know any better but if you changed the aspect ratio right in their face they would be surprised and notice. Its the same thing with FPS, people say they cant tell but all it is is them not knowing any better and not understanding whats happening.

>>11854557
>They were rushed
chrono trigger was in development for two years, which is crazy for a snes game
they had time to test it before moving forward

the real reason portraits are 1:1 is because they're scanned toriyama illustrations that were touched up by sprite artists
stop pretending you know how games are made

if 4:3 is what the developers intended why do all of the SNES GBA ports use the pixel perfect ratio? this is the dumbest argument ever

>>11854693
because they're the same sprites on an lcd panel
you don't know how crts work

>>11854709
>make graphics at one aspect ratio
>test it on a display with a different aspect ratio
>decide it looks good
>choose not to change the graphics
As far as I'm concerned, that's developer intent. They could have looked at it, thought, "Oh, that looks wrong," and then changed it. They didn't, so that means they found it acceptable and intended for us to see it that way.

>>11854740
enjoy your retarded ovals, rectangle blocks and fat mexican sprites anon.

>>11854762
I will, thank you.

>>11854709
Yeah basically this, things got stretched to fill CRT screens, the native aspect ratio is 8:7 for square pixels.

>>11854793
It was roughly 4:3 when I played it on my SNES, and that's all that really matters.

>>11854709
As stated a billion times before, it literally depends on the game
Nintendo didn't give a fuck but some devs made their art taking how the image would be stretched into consideration

>>11854798
You played it wrong then anon. Time to join 8:7 emulation chads.

>>11854806
>You played it wrong then
At least I played it. Emulosers can't even say that much.

>>11854809
>At least i played it... WRONG

>>11854812
>>At least i played it
Yep.

>widescreen CRTs exist since the 90s
>4:3 anon cries

is there any other topic that causes this much bitter butthurt on /vr/ as this one? besides the obvious console warring. (captcha: GAYVY)

>>11854909
>is there any other topic that causes this much bitter butthurt on /vr/ as this one?
Playing games.

>>11848525 (OP)
>Do you play games at the correct aspect ratio?
Yes: 4:3

>>11854909
anything that makes them self reflect for even a fraction of a second, since they're all shitters.

>>11854928
wrong

>>11854696
Why didn't they adjust them?
Because the snes way gay

>>11854663
>the real reason their incorrect is because the devs didn't fix it
Damn bro you're a fucking genius.

Well anyway thanks for agreeing that the art is wrong and they didn't fix it except 1 scene. I'm glad you were able to take the L bud.

>>11854948
>Why didn't they adjust them?
because they're the same sprites on an lcd panel
you don't know how crts work

>>11854949
>the art is wrong
Is the art wrong or is the console wrong? Make up your mind.

>>11851392
We can go wider.

>>11854709
You have to remember these machines use tile based graphics. As such, you can't base the games intended aspect just on these small objects since the tile based nature of the hardware puts a significant impetus on such objects being a whole number of tiles.

I will eye test every new game I try in both ratios and I have yet to find one that doesnt look objectively worse in 4:3. must suck to be blind.

>>11855685
That's cope - you wouldn't argue this for the genesis, NES etc which also use tiles

>>11855731
The argument applies to all tile based systems.

>>11855739
Its not an argument, its a chewbacca defense.
>game uses tiles - can't tell the aspect ratio!

>>11848525 (OP)
I play with pixel perfect and then zoom in however much needed to fill my screen.

>>11855758
No that is not what I said. I said you cannot assert the pixel aspect is intended to be square just because small objects such as bubbles fit exactly into tiles. The large scale art features of the game could still be intended for 4:3.

>>11855774
Of course you can assert that an aspect ratio is x because an object matches an expected shape - a bubble being a circle or a password box being a square. That's literal evidence. Saying a bubble being a perfect circle doesn't count because it is a tile is incorrect

>>11855784
The point you are missing is small objects are often snapped to whole numbers of tiles even though other aspects of the game art might actually take 4:3 into account. You have to examine the artwork as whole, not focus on one specific aspect which has been biased by hardware constraints.

>>11855794
>You have to examine the artwork as whole
Cool, so you would agree Chrono Trigger on SNES is 8:7, based on the artwork as a whole and not just one scene?

>>11848525 (OP)
This is the type of autism I just don't understand. I get being obsessed with a game and writing a 500 page gamefaqs guide for it, but I can't think of anything more snore inducing than display faggotry.
>have console
>will it look good on my HDTV? no, guess I'll get a CRT
>plug it in, yep this looks good
>play
That's as far as I can go with this stuff. I couldn't imagine being stimulated enough by minor display quirks to obsess over it like this. Don't get me wrong, 8:7 absolutely looks better in your provided example, but it's just such a boring and ultimately pointless thing to fixate on, especially when playing the games "as intended" almost exclusively implies using OG hardware that doesn't provide what you want.

>>11855813
Its a fun argument for some, and effectively endless. I find it interesting because I find pixel art interesting, you don't have to though

>>11852697
I finished a run of RE4 literally yesterday and am within striking distance of a 1CC on my current shmup :)

How is FE7 when playing for good ranks? I enjoy the game a lot but curious about how the balance holds up when going full autismo since I know a lot of my strategies in the past were fairly inefficient

>>11855731
>you wouldn't argue this for the genesis, NES etc
Yes you would.

>>11854968
it's displayed wrong by your shit console
not difficult to understand, dumb nigger

>>11855883
The weakest of the 3 gba games

>>11856239
>it's displayed wrong
But you just said the art was wrong.

>>11856259
>hurr durr I can win if i pretend to be retarded
you're a gay nigger and your console sucks

8:7 if you have eyes, standards, and basic logic
4:3 if you have autism, are blinded by the past and cant be reasoned with.

>>11856304
Win what?
What is this to you?

I just play games, I don't fuck with configurations

>>11855813
If you own the actual console AND a decades old CRT TV you're already completely in a minority of complete autism, and don't pretend otherwise.

>>11848531
We need more of you.

>>11856308
Obsession with geometric shapes, like your perfect circles, is a trait of autism.

>>11857646
art