What made the Ninja Turtles so popular in the 90's?

It’s none of your business.

Edgy comic series with easily identifiable and therefore marketable characters leading to endless toys, shows, apparel, heinz pasta shapes, etc.

Mogged by Battletoads

>>11857760 (OP)
Characters that were simultaneously funny and cool. Capitalizing on shit kids at the time liked (ninjas, pizza, skateboarding, surfer slang), series of great toys, and awesome video games… It’s all pretty obvious I think

Autism

>>11857770
>Edgy
True of the source material, but certainly not of the cartoon (and the cartoon was the truly marketable product with the commercial potential that you describe).

>>11857760 (OP)
Lighting in a bottle basically; just the right ratio of just the right things, and mostly by accident. There was a ton of money backing it up, though; the key ingredient was how much of a gamble the whole thing was, which paid off because when it hit, it hit hard with no competition.

On hindsight it was nice that Konami got the license early on when it was cheap. If they had waited to license the games until the IP was a hot commodity we would have got a ninetiesful of terrible LJN action games or somesuch.

>>11857804
What I wrote was not claiming the edginess as the marketable part. The comic became the show because of the marketability of its characters.

>>11857810
>One of the coolest and most memorable character designs ever
>Literally stolen from an old Miyazaki cartoon
Aprilbros... our life is a lie

>>11857823
Qrd?

>>11857760 (OP)
>What made the Ninja Turtles so popular in the 90's?
This is a question asked by very, very, very many producers and writers and artists and investors, and very few of them came up with a satisfactory answer.

>>11857823
>stolen
No such thing. Art is an unending evolutionary process.

>>11857760 (OP)
TV, toys, candy, comics

While it makes sense it's not right that TMNT had to throw away its gritty aesthetic in the name of mass appeal. That the most saccharine, inoffensive form of the franchise is the most notable is a damn shame for how mature and uncompromising the original vision of it was.

>>11857760 (OP)
First off, it was well made with appealing characters and cool concepts. The early seasons of the 89 show, the original comic, first movie, and the Konami games all hold up well. The quality was objectively high for a lot of it.

But I think it was also the perfect mix of ideas for the late 80s/early 90s. At the time, a few things were super popular. Marvel comics and mutant super heroes were huge, X-Men was the most popular comic, and TMNT even started as a Daredevil parody. Ninjas and martial arts were also super big culturally back then. At the same time martial arts movies were super popular and cool, also one of the reasons games like Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat took off so much. Ninjas appeared in comics all the time (Wolverine going to Japan, Daredevil fighting The Hand, etc.) as well as everywhere else.

Basically, TMNT was perfect for the time it came out, because it was a mix of all of the coolest stuff in the world back then. In addition to mutation and martial arts, you had robots, aliens, alternate dimensions, and all kinds of other cool things.
>tldr
TMNT was awesome in the perfect way for 80s/90s kids.

>>11858076
It even had dinosaurs (also super cool back then)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EvcbUci4BE

>>11858076
It even had dinosaurs (also super cool back then)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvjqHoJGOLo

>>11857760 (OP)
It had a sense of humour, was self-referential, sarcastic and irreverent. Prior to TMNT, most action cartoons had a bit of humour but they took themselves way more seriously. But even though TMNT was humourous, it still had action, a good enough plot and a coolness factor.

>>11857829
Some people think April O'Neil's cartoon design is influenced by Fujiko Mine from the Lupin III anime.

>>11857779
SHIT JUST GOT REAL

>>11857952
Disagree

>>11857769
The fuck dude?!

>>11857823
What?

>>11857760 (OP)
>popular in the 90's?
The hit cartoon was 1987-1989 for its peak (relevant) years, as was the archie comic. The Toy line was also more of an 80s thing. All the iconic toys were from that era.
The hit arcade game was 1989.
Movie landed at the tail end of the mania years in 1990.

By late 1990 the turtles were banned from ever using their signature weapons and they became instantly uncool. It lingered in the 90s for a few more years with plumeting quality in toys, the cartoon became unwatachable and sequel games were mostly ignored. Movie sequels were also mostly ignored due to the ban on weapon use. Really the franchise died at the start of the 1990s but it was milked for a few years to squeeze what little they could from it.

Movies, TV cartoon? what's with all these zoomer questions lately? it's fucking crap and does nothing to contribute to the board's quality. This board is not your replacement for Google. Use Grok and leave us alone.

>>11858225
And those people would be wrong, because "influenced" is hardly the most appropriate word lol

>>11858468
Everybody steals from everybody. It's nothing new.

>>11858456
93 is when Turtlemania started to decline, the third movie really was the final nail.

>>11858480
1993 was the last gasps. Just compare the aweful 1990s toys to the 80s iconic ones.
>turtles wearing silly costumes!
>turtles with weird grapple claws to capture badguys safely!
Jurassic park toys ruled 1993 and turtles were extinct.

>>11858508

>>11858557
My kid would unironically love this

>>11858557
SNEED

>>11858508
I had that trenchcoat Donnie

>>11858557
The cave turtles were cool though

Turtlemania will be back any day now bros... the next big revival is right around the corner... any day now...

>>11858661
It's over, anon. Manias in general are over. The world we knew is dead.

>>11858508
Damn had the orange triceratops the noir jacket turtle and the samurai one

Turtlemania stemmed from the green pies with the goop inside.
All TV shows, movies, and video games were coasting off the success of the pies.

>>11858707
It's like how Ghostbusters was just a vehicle for ecto plasma hi-C

>>11858508
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, that the third movie was more so the last gasp/final nail in the coffin, not so much the beginning of the end. I remember when I was in first grade in 1990 most of the class thought the ninja turtles were lame by then which would have been an unheard of sentiment in my kindergarten class just the year prior. In fact I actually remember even leading up to the third film none of us being that excited for it, it still managed to disappoint us but we didn't go in expecting much or even caring as much about the turtles by then. It was truly a late 80s phenomenon that has lingered on and off since then.

>>11858508
Not just Jurassic Park, 93 was the debut of Power Rangers.

>>11857779
both mogged by Biker Mice From Mars

>>11858938
Based

>>11857760 (OP)
Ninjas were exotic and cool. So was Kung-Fu and shit like that.
Being turtles was gay, however. Long live Shredder and the Foot Clan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOV6H4NcGEs

>>11858965
Is it even possible for a Black man to have more sovl than Vanilla Ice?

>>11857760 (OP)
What does this actually have to do with games? Bot. Thread.

>>11858981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_video_games#Standalone_games

>>11857760 (OP)
Things that were popular, in the 80s/90s:
>Bright colors
>Ninjas
>Martial-arts
>Action
>Violence
>(Cute) animals with attitude
It even contains pizza.

>>11858965

> "They told me write and make it ice! So I did! I hyped it up, put some funky beats behind it and 'made it ice!'"

He certainly did make it ice.

>>11858661
All things considered, despite the fall of Turtlemania and the indignities of Rise and Seth Rogen, the toys are way cooler now than when I was a kid.

You had to be there or know someone who was there, try asking /co/

The Toei animation mini series. Everyone was just chasing the dragon after that. It's like Transformers season 3 that you just watched because it was on even though it was shit.

>>11858965
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOV6H4NcGEs [Remove]

TMNT 1 = MC Hammer:
https://youtu.be/CDJev_Sw-j8

Turtles 2: Vanilla Ice. Both were actually really hot between 1990 and 1991.

>>11858923
>Power Rangers.

Power Rangers basically replaced Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles overnight as the 'next big thing'. But then Power Rangers was supplanted by Pokemon a few years later.

>>11858938
Biker Mice From Mars fans all grew up to be bi furries.

I should know, I'm a bi furry.

>>11857760 (OP)
The cartoon and the games. And then the movie. I'm pretty sure I started smoking because I thought these kids smoking in the movie. 30 years later and I'm still smoking like crazy. I wonder if I can sue them for millions of dollars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmpVDeFq1Aw

>>11857760 (OP)
The cartoon and the games. And then the movie. I'm pretty sure I started smoking because I thought these kids smoking in the movie were cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmpVDeFq1Aw
30 years later and I'm still smoking like crazy. I wonder if I can sue them for millions of dollars.

>>11857760 (OP)
I never really cared for the franchise. Never watched the show. Did play turtles in time but them being ninja turtles didn't matter to me. Could have been a random italian plumber. It was just a fun game.

>>11859380
Did anything supplant pokemon? I don't recall anything doing so in the 2000s but I guess now you could say marvel shit was on top of the world, at least pre covid.

>>11860189
Pokemon is still the world's biggest media franchise, so not really. My friend's kid is still collecting Pokemon cards and everything. It never reached the full Pokemania state again (Pokemon Go pumped things up for a bit), but it's still a huge phenomenon.

I worry the latest games feeling phoned in will hurt it in the long run though.

i liked ninja turtles because when the evil shredder attacked they didnt cut him any slack whereas other crime fighting groups of the era like gijoe and the planeteers and biker mice would cut him considerable amounts of slack and that's no good

>>11857760 (OP)
Because the Ninja Turtles stood out unlike other cartoons. There was something fun about it.

>>11859380
Power Rangers was in the perfect position to supplant the turtles: it aired the year after Fox Kids debuted both Batman the Animated Series AND X-Men. Kids were watching Fox, and so EVERYONE would watch Power Rangers when it hit.

>>11860279
>never cut your enemies any slack
>continue to kick them until they explode
They just don't make children's cartoons like they used to

>>11858225
It's a good thing the comic predates the cartoon then.

>>11857796
This

>>11859924
Well shit, I remember this scene from the German dub and they changed the dialogue so instead of "regular or menthol" the guy says something completely different and really stupid. They did that a lot back then, trying to insert their shitty "jokes". I never cared about image quality but when dvds started having language options I was sold instantly. Only retards watch dubbed versions.
>>11858456
That's interesting. I am from East Berlin so for us turtlemania didn't exist until 1990. Watched the first movie in cinema then and it blew my mind. It was fucking wild going from Eastern Bloc films and tv to Batman, Turtles, Gremlins, Dick Tracy and all the rest, just like that, to experience this sudden massive avalanche of STUFF. But yeah, by 1994 the turtles craze was over.

>>11857760 (OP)
The movie.

TMNT the cartoon ruled the late 80s taking over Transformers, He-Man, etc, but the movie gave it special worth for the early 90s, and it is an amazing movie as far as comic book flicks go just like Burtons Batman and The Crow. It got replaced by Power Rangers, but nobody looks back on that with anything but nostalgia, it's not GOOD

>>11860801
>talking shit about power rangers
no

>>11858456
>By late 1990 the turtles were banned from ever using their signature weapons
In Britain.

Forgot to mention that tiny detail.

>>11861087
It was pretty much a global ban, half because of Britain, half because of parent groups who freaked out after the first movie. Was simply easier to have the Turtles go totally weaponless than try to edit around them.

>>11860189
>Did anything supplant pokemon?
Minecraft overwhelmingly took over as the top kids franchise at least in the west.

>>11858661
Have turtleboomers finally at least admitted that 2003 was the peak of the franchise

>>11857760 (OP)
>in the 90's?
Turtlemania was an 80's things

>>11857952
Based, rape copyright autists. Lupin III was made without permission of the original Lupin copyright holders

>>11861087
>In Britain
No in the second and third movies, and cartoons beyond season 3 they mostly fought by hitting enemies with improvised weapons (yo-yo, sausages, etc) and round house kicks.
Opening fight scene of second film was the future of all tmnt from 1991 onward:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gIaRLYheHrs

>>11857950
I think it's unironically just sovl. The comic was already a big hit and beloved before the cartoon and a huge slew of rip offs came in without any idea over what the appeal was.
I think it was just something made without cynicism. The entire concept of the comic was made as a joke, ninja turtles. It was made as a joke about the biggest comics at the time, New Teen Titans, Daredevil, things that were popular like mutants and superhero teens. But it was executed with a completely straight face and little to no irony poison at all, because they genuinely loved comics like Daredevil. The rip offs didn't get that, they all still kept it as a stupid joke with no respect.
>>11858001
This is also what I'm trying to wrap my head around too.

>>11858461
>what's with all these zoomer questions lately?
It's not a zoomer question, it's a bot question.

>>11861242
And Lupin used Sherlock Holmes without permission, which is why he never caught on in most of the Western world up until the turn of the century.

I'm also seeing scant discussion of actual TMNT games.

>>11858461
You're right, we need more quality posts like ranting about zoomers and things we hate in modern games instead of actually talking about retro games.

>>11857760 (OP)
Gen X cynicism was twisted and marketed toward young millennial children and zoomers saw “old good” and ran with it because their parents only remember the first film and nothing else. This explains why it was so popular in the 80s and 90s and today. Even millennials only remember the film, but that’s just 40-something millennials. The younger millennials are a crapshoot.

>>11861317
"Why was Mario popular" is not "talking about retro games". It's what your 5 years old kid asks you about.

>>11858989
Where in OP's message do you see any mention of video games?

>>11857760 (OP)
The opening of the cartoon went a long way

>>11861331
>that was the only mascot at the time
Done. Dusted.

>>11858225
Lupin III and Fujiko is from Monkey Punch you retard. If you’re going to be autistic about April being “stolen”, at least be consistent and give credit to the right creator and not the director of an adaptation.

>>11861349
I realize this is probably meant for this anon>>11857823

>>11857760 (OP)
Limited entertainment venues for at-home viewing.
Everyone watched Saturday-morning cartoons.

We didn't have 700 channels + streaming + torrenting old media onto our touchscreen mobile phones.
We watched t.v. in our living room.
Everyone did.
Then we talked about it at school.

>retard from /v/ remakes his shit thread on /vr/ to fish for more (you)s
Many such cases.

>>11861353
As he said, consistency is important. When you make an idiotic reply, you may as well make it to the wrong post lmao

>>11859924
>I'm pretty sure I started smoking because I thought these kids smoking in the movie were cool.
What the fuck...

>>11861330
>and zoomers saw “old good” and ran with it because their parents only remember the first film and nothing else.
Older zoomers grew up with the 2003 cartoon, and there was a shitload of TMNT stuff to choose from for years. Most millennials weren't even having yet and plenty were still in college. Younger zoomers grew up with the 2012 one.

>>11861330
Wow what a zoomer post. I'm 35 and I grew up watching movies from the fucking 70s, it was called rental shops and cable tv, what a fukkking POSER post

>>11857804
> this anon has never read 1 tmnt comic released back in the 1980s
> not a single frame
Sad! and completely unsurprising for this board

>>11861330
> communist drivel about things he knows nothing about
communism really is a disease of the mind.

>>11862326
>communist drivel
That's some real John Birch Society mental illness over some basic bitch "dumb fucking zoomers lol" retardation you see here daily

>>11857760 (OP)
in middle school a bunch of older kids cornered me in the computer lab and made me watch a porn gif of all 4 turtles running a train on april

>>11861228
>Turtlemania was an 80's things

I dunno. The original animated series ran from 1987-1997, which was ten years. The peak of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was probably 1991-1992. I would say that the second movie killed a lot of interest in the franchise. Power Rangers became a big hit in 1993-1994. TMNT fell into irrelevancy for a year years before the second animated series. The second animated series was not as big of a hit as the first. But it still lasted for like years and got the Turtles Forever tie in movie. Ninja Turtles was a mega franchise between 1988 - 1993. The merchandising was insane.

>>11862372
Was it at least good

>>11858456
Was the third movie really that bad? I remember liking it as a solely because I just liked ninjas and samurais, both thanks to the turtles themselves.

>>11862397
no, it looked like some early newgrounds shit

My first exposure to TMNT was the original indie, B&W comic in the mid 80s, at the fantasy and sci fi bookstore where I went to buy my tabletop RPGs...that was a great store

>>11862410
Yes it was bad. Unlike the first, it's the kind of thing you might have liked as a kid but is pretty shit

The costumes and effects in the OG were really impressive for the budget, pure passion. By the third it degraded to pure B movie shit, the puppetry and costumes look so bad

Green text
>Be in second grade, hanging in the local arcade
>playing TMNT because it was the hottest shit
>older boys come and pull your pants down as you play, popular prank. You can either lift your pant ups or die
>older boy pulls my pants down
>I pull my pants up and die
>he's LMAOing
>I slug him hard
>he's stunned
>I run home
>scared to go to school the next day
>he meets me in front of school with a bunch of thugs
>think I'm gonna die
>he puts his arm around me and say "This kid is the shit! He slugged me, almost knocked me down! He's tha bomb!"
>takes me home to his place
>he has an original NES with TMNT and Rygar
>we play the shit out of those games
>we become friends for years on

>>11858508
>>11858557
Apparently one of the guys who designed a lot of the TMNT toys and worked for the creators of the original comics themselves also made that one cowboy rip off in the 90's
I think it's based solely because it rubs it in the nose of all those other rip off comics in the 80's

>>11862465
Didn't happen but I kinda hope it did, sounds like kino irl

>>11859924
>I'm pretty sure I started smoking because I thought these kids smoking in the movie were cool.
Definition of BASED retard. I finally understand why adults went crazy over a kid even glimpsing a Marlboro ad for 1.5 seconds back then.
God that scene is fucking everything I wanted as a kid.

>>11859418
What about SWAT Kats

>>11858782
Ghostbusters is is definitely one of those huge 80's franchises that everyone under 40 seems to have forgotten how huge it was.

>>11862496
>Ghostbusters is is definitely one of those huge 80's franchises that everyone under 40 seems to have forgotten how huge it was.
Or, you know, since people under 40 were never exposed to it, they never forgot it in the first place, kekalekakek!!!

>>11861224
That wasn't until around 2012, before then it was a rotating door of Digimon, Yugioh, Beyblades, Battle Bdamon, and Bakugon. Pokemon was always in the background during that time though

>>11857796
I like turtles

>>11862504
Nah the first two movies were ingrained into my mind. Ghostbusters keeps getting referenced for decades, and I still hear the theme song during Halloween.
It's just that what really made it huge for 80's kids was not just the movies but the cartoon series too, but that never really got re-aired. Xtreme Ghostbusters could've prolonged its relevancy under younger people, but that was mostly a 90's thing. There was no new Ghostbusters stuff for kids throughout the 00's, it was mainly all for millennials.

>>11862509
Spongebob probably. That thing is still a behemoth. Yeah 1999 but come on, its hear was in the 00's. Not really /vr/ though, still a marketing beast but nowhere near pokemon too, it's just the closest thing I can think off. Minecraft deserves to be up there for the 2010's though, it's one of the best selling games of all time.

>>11862396
I've always thought of TMNT as the last of the great 80s franchises. Yeah it bled into the 90s but it's definitely an 80s thing.
>>11862410
Elias Koteas returns so that's something. The feudal Japan plot leaves out a huge opportunity to witness or even influence the founding of the Foot Clan which I think both the cartoons and comics explore.
>>11862496
Gen X cannot fucking get over Ghostbusters. There's a reason they make new nostalgia bait sequels. It is an appealing concept though...my kids saw an episode of The Real Ghostbusters on TV and fucking loved it. They're begging me to watch the movie now.

>>11862514
>Nah the first two movies were ingrained into my mind. Ghostbusters keeps getting referenced for decades, and I still hear the theme song during Halloween.
>It's just that what really made it huge for 80's kids was not just the movies but the cartoon series too, but that never really got re-aired.

I would say that the popularity of 'The Real Ghostbusters' and 'Slimer & The Real Ghostbusters' really carried the popularity of Ghostbusters beyond the first movie. Most of the toy merchandise was based on the cartoon series. There were a few games licensed from the first and second movies. Ghostbusters really fell apart after the second movie.

>>11862521
>The feudal Japan plot leaves out a huge opportunity to witness or even influence the founding of the Foot Clan which I think both the cartoons and comics explore.
It does explore Hamato Yoshi's ancestors, though.

>>11857760 (OP)
Cool factor

>>11862519
>its hear
Its height? Peak? I don't know how the fuck I misspelled this holy shit

>>11862396
>The second animated series was not as big of a hit as the first. But it still lasted for like years and got the Turtles Forever tie in movie.
Not a massive cultural juggernaut as it was in the late 80's-early 90's, but did well for the competition at the time. Aired a lot, got a movie that even the millennials who preferred the 80's cartoon admitted was alright despite it being CG, got several games and a weird future spin off.

>>11862514
The thing is a lot of us in the 90s grew up with 80s shit anyway cause culture just moved slower. Internet wasn't as widespread, we spent more time consuming media, instead of YouTube we watched TV and VHS tapes, we played with toys, I had a shitload of 80s toys passed down from cousins etc, my dad showed me every movie he loved, blah blah

>>11862521
>There's a reason they make new nostalgia bait sequels. It is an appealing concept though
A shame, because the concept IS incredible and probably why it the cartoon lasted for so long. There's so many stories you can have, running a small business of ghost hunters will always give you ideas, its why it even had a TTRPG where you play as employees of a new ghostbusters department. It's not even the first ghost hunting business thing ever(apparently it was a Mickey Mouse cartoon from the 30's), but it's definitely what everything after it takes from. Here, /vr/ related, Luigi's Mansion and Luigi's vacuum.
It's probably the only thing that makes being a wagie for a dangerous and heavily underregulated and understaffed small business sound appealing and cool as fuck.

>>11862519
Spongebob peaked in 2005 with the movie, now it's a husk and most modern kids don't care for it. Minecraft has 4chan to thank for its initial underground success, I remember seeing tons of threads about it back then. I remember buying it for five bucks...

>>11862465
That's bullshit but I believe it.

>>11857769
Based

>>11857760 (OP)
>Ninja Turtles so popular in the 90's?
that is more of a /tv/ question. you mean videogames? i'm sure the first Turtles game on NES sucked but that was in the 80s. the games for Genesis and SNES were brilliant. good controls, good enough mechanics and fun ninja lore.

>>11857770
>Edgy comic series
the popular games were based on the /tv/ . no kids read the edgy comics. i was there.

>>11862141
>>11861330
>40-something millennials.
back then the 40 year olds of today were filed under "Gen X" too. THEN the stupid journalists invented the "millenials" term then threw about 3 decades of people into it which didn't make any fucking sense, since every single decade was different. and later decades saw accelerated changes in culture, /fa/shion and tastes in /v/ideogames. journalists also got stupid like you zoomers.

you're a zoomer that didn't remember that.

When I saw the 2003 redesign of the turtles was the first time I realized we were in the future, that time was not static and the old turtles were what we now call retro.

>>11862661
>journalists also got MORE stupid like you zoomers.
Fixed.

>>11862661
This Guy doesn't know what a generation is lol

Gen X were born early 80s, latest. Mid 80s to mid 90s births are millennial

>>11862651
>i'm sure the first Turtles game on NES sucked
It didn't. It's fucking awesome and one of the best TMNT games ever made.
HyperStone and Time are great too.
>no kids read the edgy comics
I would have if I had known they existed. I don't know what they were thinking by never mentioning the comics. They would have sold millions more.

>>11862651
the /tv/ was based on the comics, good characters are what make long lasting franchises. every person that posted after my post tacitly agreed with what I initially wrote, fuck every illiterate retard on this website

>>11862661
We were called Gen Y. That was before our age group was betrayed by the boomers. For a little while they told us we could do anything. Pick and choose a career for anything that suited our interests. Then the economy started to fall apart after 1993. And by the time we were ready to enter the work force we were met with
>You need five years experience to get this entry level job you already have a certification for.
>And there are no open positions because the boomers that are supposed to retire or move up the ladder won't or can't and so there's nothing available.
Also we lost our parents' health insurance when we turned 18. And I got to watch kids just a couple years younger than us get to stay on their parents' health insurance till they're 21. It was great.

>>11857760 (OP)
Honestly my favorite thing about TMNT is that it's the only thing that keeps new Usagi Yojimbo merch coming out.

>>11860340
She looks like Cain's cute mutt gf from Robocop 2.

>>11862661
Gen X is the weird overly long generation, their cultural heydays were from the disco era all the way to grunge. Probably because gen x actually has way less people compared to boomers and millennials so they're spread out more.

>>11862664
Well despite having multiple universes at the same time like Sonic, they never had a "reboot" or "rebranding" before. Transformers on the other hand did it steadily so you just got used to the cycle

>>11862521
>Gen X cannot fucking get over Ghostbusters
Ghostbuster kids are millennials. I will never view AVGN as anything other than millennial, and that guy was born in 1980.

>>11862881
He's late Gen X but it's splitting hairs when you get to the last and start of gens, last millennials have more in common with Gen z etc

>>11862651
It's more a /co/ question. The comic was already a huge hit and got a lot of attention, and the cartoon pushed it even further. The first movie was also faithfully based on the early comics.
I don't know why the fuck OP is asking that question here which is why I think it's a bot.
>the popular games were based on the /tv/ .
The NES game's cover art is based on the comic, hence why they all have the red masks, each turtle having a different color was a thing the original cartoon started.
Even a lot of the toys look more like the Mirage comic versions of the characters, but in color.

>>11858225
Is this another kimba vs simba situation where a bunch of tryhards just post pics of the "ripped off" character in a similar outfit/situation because I don't think anyone who's seen both lupin iii and ninja turtles would ever say fujiko and april are the same

>>11857779

Barbra Walters got to interview the top tier Jim Henson Turtles:
https://youtu.be/U2nVJdeyf8s?t=10

Oprah got the second tier 'Coming out of our Shells' :
https://youtu.be/jBeIX7bpefQ?t=51

>>11858508
Why did Bebop have a squishy head?

>>11862885
>last millennials
They have nothing in common with early millennials.

>>11863058
Something was coming out their shells and I don't believe it was their tails.

>>11863127
I have a Rocksteady with a squishy head.

TMNT was largely an 80s kid thing but it was late in the 80s, and the movie in 1990 was the third major blowup after the toys and cartoon

If you experienced the entire 90s from the start as a kid, you witnessed these major phenomenon even if you were young as shit
>TMNT
>POGS
>Sonic
>Power Rangers
>Beanie Babies
>Tomagatchi/digital pets in general
>Pokemon
Nothing really more defining of 90s kid culture than those

So much Jap shit too, which despite what weeaboos will say, is ironic because as a whole weeaboosim was still the lowest level of nerd until the late 90s, if you were into "weird japanese cartoons" and were older kid in like 1999 even during Pokemania, other nerds into just Batman and Spider-Man even looked at you sideways, it was almost subcultural though quickly booming in popularity, the kids immediately younger than that probably had zero backlash for anime fandom as DBZ, Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Gundam, etc already embedded themselves

>>11863127
>Why did Bebop have a squishy head?

For whatever reason the earliest series (series 1 and 2?) of the 1987-1988 TMNT toyline had squishy heads. That Beebop is a series 1 version. At some point Playmates changes all the heads to hard plastic.

>>11862570
Veering wildly off topic but the Mickey Mouse ghost hunters short is really good.

>>11858938
all three mogged by Dinosaurs and Cadillacs

>>11862881
Ghostbusters came out in 1984. A Gen X kid born in 1974 would have been the perfect age for it... A millennial would have been too young to have seen the movie in theaters though they may have been able to see the cartoon and stuff(I know I did).

>>11863145
I was in 6th grade when DBZ started airing in syndication (6:30 AM on Saturdays in my area). I was obsessed with it, but I had to keep it a secret because telling kids you were getting up at the crack of dawn to watch a Japanese cartoon would have made you an instant pariah back then.

>>11862372
This made me kek, but also i feel bad that happened to you, sorry bro.

>>11859924
>boxing
>building skateboard ramps
>playing pool
>dancing
>playing cards
>playing guitar
>competitive gaming
Man times have changed. Back when this came out it was meant to serve as a depiction of inner city youth being led astray and throwing their lives away. Obviously not an accurate depiction, but still, these days looking at this scene it's hard to see it as anything but a positive place for these kids to be. The alternative would be strung out on fent lying motionless for hours at a time on a sidewalk next to the pile of trash that is your possessions, or a drug den selling your body for your next fix.

>>11859924
lel is that Sam Rockwell? I never noticed before since he wasn't famous yet back when I saw it.

>>11858938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzxb7WCGr-c
Made by Konami.

>>11863287
The episode has its own levels in at least two Disney games from the 90's so it veers back to being on topic

>>11863506
>it was meant to serve as a depiction of inner city youth being led astray and throwing their lives away.
Not really, more like a depiction of an adult using cool and fun things to lure kids into his power. Grooming, essentially.

>>11863058
Yeah I remember when Oprah was still a second stringer on the level of Maury or Ricki Lake

>>11859924
Still one of my all time favourite movies and it just gets better every time I watch it. This, Batman, Terminator, Robocop... It's amazing everything they could do in a kids movie in the late 80's/early 90's before they started censoring and toning down everything (and the 2 TMNT sequels are a good example of that, that and the mid 90's Batman movies)

With that said you make a good case towards censoring and "impressionable kids" with your cigarette example. Sorry to say it but you're part of the reasons why TMNT2 and 3 are shit.

>>11862719
>the /tv/ was based on the comics, good characters are what make long lasting franchise

the adaptations were totally different from the sauce. everyone agreed with me on that!

>>11862709
you didn't read . each decade was different. it becomes immediately obvious when you check the old /vr/ magazine. don't even need to check the /fa/ mags. you're a zoomer who never read and was never there.

>>11858076
>the 89 show
Meant 87, saw the mistake in the post but forgot to correct it before posting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MapBJJvjhoI
The opening was great too, that alone probably helped a lot of people get into it.

>>11862878
>Probably because gen x actually has way less people compared to boomers and millennials so they're spread out more.

boomers were boomers exactly because of a babyboom after WW2 >>>/his/ . Gen X still produced more babies than the bullshit term of "millennials" ever did. if you included commie china with the 1 child policy, the numbers are even worse for the newer gens.

>>11858480
I was huge into TMNT as a kid, even the third when you could slap TMNT on anything and I'd gobble it up... sucked. That movie is just bad and I'm a fan of bad.. but not that bad. It legit helped move me on to other stuff.

>>11858679
There’s minecraft mania, fortnite mania. There’s still manias it’s just that they’re uncool now

The first GBA TMNT was an okay belt scroller. Is the second one worth getting into? I checked it out for 5 mins and it seemed to be awful

>>11863653
Yeah there's still popular stuff, but it's not the same as it was.
>minecraft mania
Minecraft came out in 2009. Hugely popular and kids still play with it like they play with Legos though. The movie was big recently too I guess, as far as movies go nowadays.

Even Fortnite came out all the way back in 2017. I'm admittedly out of touch, but stuff like TMNT or Pokemon was so big that you couldn't ignore it even if you were out of touch. Can't think of any phenomenon on the same scale recently.

>>11863614
I was born in 89 poser chang. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about you're not even from an English speaking nation
>Millennials don't exist! Only Gen x, because it's called Gen x, millennials aren't called Gen M so it's not real
Imbecilic pedantic autistic, stay in your shithole

>>11863603
>>>11863058
>Yeah I remember when Oprah was still a second stringer on the level of Maury or Ricki Lake

I all fairness, the Oprah Turtles were from the Pizza Hut promotional "coming out of their shells tour", where the performers had to wear those turtle costumes on stage for multiple shows. They were designed to be seen from a distance. The Jim Henson costumes look like the ones used for TMNTII: The Secret of the Ooze. It makes sense since that promotional interview thing with Barbra Walters was made to promote the second movie. Those TMNT2 costumes look a little 'cartoonier" but their facial animations are more articulated.

>>11863601
Yeah the entire point was to get kids to enroll in a gang of ninja thieves lol

they were marketed to me on television commercials had a decent show and very cool figures. the arcade game was great and the nes game was fun but hard. they looked really cool, good design, and the name was original. come to think of it they probably did everything right

>>11863058
>Oh yeah we're on the money.

So in character.

>>11858557
This is fucking cool. I wish I have gotten this instead of the stupid punching helicopter.

>>11863757
I had it as a kid. You could press a button to make it punch stuff and I used to punch my sister with it.

>>11863747

I love it when fictional characters conduct interviews in real life.

https://youtu.be/eje-KaSjAZk

>>11863763

https://youtu.be/eje-KaSjAZk?t=363

>>11863761
It actually had some pretty good heft to it. I remember smashing glass cups with it. You probably fucked your sister up lmao

>>11858557
>formerly Don's

>>11863601
Yes this too, but more than that, to me the scene reads like what a hollywood writer at the time would believe was the antithesis of WASP culture, which is what hollywood believed was still the dominant influence in America during the 80s-90s. It wasn't, but the lingering influence of it from the 50s-60s was enough to where
>oh no look at these unruly kids with their loud music, hedonistic tendencies, sinful chaotic lifestyles
was still a train of thought that might emerge in the the mind of many, even if most people didn't legitimately feel like that.

>>11864125
Lol I think you're getting a little too deep into the weeds, it's just about troubled youths turning to gangs for family and power, go watch literally any hood movie and you'll find the same themes

Of course TMNT is a kids series about mutant ninjas in the 80s/early 90s mainly trying to sell toys to suburban children, so of course it's white kids who listen to rock music and have mild fights with their dad and run away etc, but it's not a super deep sociopolitical thing, every generation has "troubled rebellious youths" and street gangs have been around forever

>>11863506
Again it's a kids depiction, even still they show them being thieves, smoking cigarettes/cigars etc, which today wouldn't even be allowed in a kid's movie

IRL even skater/punk/headbanger/whatever kids in the 80s, in reality, were up to a lot of no good like shooting up heroin, doing coke, being petty criminals blah blah. Go watch the movie Suburbia for a non romanticized view of old punk rock dickheads, or the Decline of Western Civilization, punks especially were notorious junkies and wasteoids, the average rock/metal fuckers were usually just drunks or cokeheads

>>11863297
I was born in 84. I watched Ghostbusters at a family member's house in the late 80's. I preferred Ghostbusters 2 and I was obsessed with Terminator 2. Now that I'm older I much prefer both of those IP's first films. The Terminator is so much better than Terminator 2 Judgement Day it's not even close.

>>11863683
NTA, but you'll always be someone's younger brother.

>>11857760 (OP)
I never liked TMNT, I always thought they were really lame and the kids who liked them were low IQ, backwards-cap wearing poor people

>>11863757
The blades are fucking snakes?

>>11864661
I just don't get what they're saying beyond "I'm mad at the term millennial, because its a different naming convention". Literally who gives a shit, it's just an understood term. Pedantry autism makes me wanna strangle a beagle.

>>11859924
>because I thought these kids smoking in the movie were cool.
Well you thought correct. Those kids were cool as fuck.

Friendly reminder talking about "Gen whatever" and "-oomers" is meaningless and only fuels an already retarded generational feud. Enjoy toitles without that irrelevant garbage.

>>11864667
The whole naming of generations is really fucked up and needs to stop.
The whole millennial name was the first stab to the back of the whole generation that came between 1981 and 1990. Something happened around 1993. It changed the economy and the culture for the worst. Those born in the early 80's had it the worst when they started to enter the work force.

>>11864679
Yea, I'm hoping that with Gen Beta that it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back and ends naming generations forever.

>>11864658
Terminator and T2 are like apples and oranges but both are pretty damn sweet.

>>11862968
No, The Lion King really was ripped off of Simba.

>>11864692
Before the Boomers we had the Silent, Greatest and Lost Generation. I think it started with Mannheim's Theory of Generations in '28 and I doubt it'll stop any time soon sadly, people love generalizations.

>>11864689
Who gives a shit, it's language, you say millennial instead of "those ye hath been born circa blah blah blah" because it's easier and doesn't make you sound like a rambling verbose jackass

It captured the cultural zeitgeist
It was there at the right time with lots of cool stuff that people really wanted to see combined in a quality package
Multiple ideas had been fermenting on popular consciousness for some time, the cartoon renaissance, action movies, martial arts, orientalism, surfer attitude, action video games, anthropomorphic cartoon characters, gritty 80s urban aesthetics, and then some dudes came up with an idea that mashed everything together nicely and worked on various media and it came out right on time to ride the wave

>>11864757
Based, horsefuckers seethe.

>>11864895
Lion King is better than Simba

Nazi scene, based

>>11857760 (OP)

Huge freckled sweaty naturals, packed into a yellow jumpsuit that's what

>>11864898
>Simba

https://youtu.be/ZYSkHrfR_YA?t=4

>>11858438
It's been rumored that April's design in the cartoon is based off of Fujiko's reporter disguise in Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro.

>>11857779

The failed Battle Toads cartoon pilot was ironically written by David Wise of all people. David Wise was responsible for writing the bulk of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1987 episodes. David Wise also worked on Transformers G1, Batman: The Animated Series and Star Trek: The Animated Series, as a writer and passed away in 2020. Not to be confused with the other David Wise who composed the music for the NES Battletoads as well as many other Rare Ware games. I swear Weird Al Yankovic was uncredited for producing the theme song. The cartoon had some promise, but the animation always looked a little ass-y to me.

https://youtu.be/mtQ_RSF1jYU

>>11857779

The failed Battletoads cartoon pilot was ironically written by David Wise of all people. David Wise was responsible for writing the bulk of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1987 episodes, he also wrote for Transformers G1, Batman: The Animated Series and Star Trek: The Animated Series, and passed away in 2020. Not to be confused with the other David Wise who composed the music for the NES Battletoads as well as many other Rare Ware games.... I swear Weird Al Yankovic was uncredited for producing the theme song.... The cartoon had some promise, but the animation always looked a little ass-y to me.

https://youtu.be/mtQ_RSF1jYU

>>11857760 (OP)
They are cool.
In Eastern European most fashionable trends were delayed by 5 to 10 years depending on trend, country and if your city is or is not the capital of your country, so what americans had in 80s, we have in 90s. This delays were mitigated somewhat with the Internet, but had mostly dissipated around PS3 release time (again, because of the Internet becoming available, Steam and PS3 entering lives of much more people than everything before that).

>>11865314
I thought reporters in jumpsuits were pretty standard fare. Especially in movies to make them look part of the camera crew.

>>11864782
>generalizations
I think you mean generationeralizations.

>>11865426
April wears a jumpsuit in her first comic appearance as Baxter Stockman's assistant

>>11862821
If only Usagi Yojimbo in turn kept Albedo and Erma Felna relevant(which is /vr/ related in the most tangential way)

>>11857760 (OP)
It's popularity carried over in to the 80's

>>11866120
>I can't deal with this
They used the exact same line in the cartoon, I didn't realise it maintained such faithfulness to its source material.

>>11864835
Yeah all those things plus mutants were big around then, I remember that being a thing in a lot of movies, some guy getting transformed from toxic waste or radiation

>>11862821
>>11866724
>usagi yojimbo
wtf I thought it was just a 3/10 c64 game with cool music

>>11863610
>the adaptions were totally different
The characters had the same personalities from the start, the only thing that changed was the degree of violence.

>>11867332
Lol not entirely, even the cartoon and movies have different ideas

Cartoon they're clearly more ny, while in the movie they all have stereotypical Cali surfer personas, aside from Raph who is turned into not just the jerky one but a full blown angst ridden tough guy from Brooklyn

>>11867349
Raph was pretty much made to be a riff on Wolverine, even holding his sais in a way that resembles Wolvie's claws. Then the cartoon turned him into proto-Yakko Warner.

>>11863747
>>11863750

That level of anamatronic sophistication was really impressive in 1991. I know the first Turtles movie was not 100% perfect with the Jim Henson stuff. There were some blemishes. But for 1989 Jim Henson said it was their most advanced suits to date. The Turtles 2 suits were a little better on a technical level, even though I prefer the designs of the first movie. This anamatronic technology only advanced with the TV show Dinosaurs. When I was a 10 years old in 1991, this was as good as it could get for live action turtles. Who else could do a better job? Stan Winston?

>>11866891
Bro Usagi is one of the greatest western comics of all time.

>>11857760 (OP)
The Saturday Morning cartoon

>>11862465

This thread is in dire need of some more actual /vr/ TMNT talk

>The arcade version of Turtles in Time is actually kind of shit and the SNES port feels x100 better to play
>Radical rescue is really neat
>TMNT 1 on the NES might just be the most popular terrible game on the NES
>It would had been cool to see a '87 series game on the 32 bit generation
>Manhattan Project is the best Konami TMNT game

>>11867856
All true except TMNT1 is not terrible. It's an above average game carried by a ton of soul.

>>11867856
>The arcade version of Turtles in Time is actually kind of shit and the SNES port feels x100 better to play
Correct
>Radical rescue is really neat
Also correct
>TMNT 1 on the NES might just be the most popular terrible game on the NES
It’s not really terrible. It’s just tough and has a good amount of 8 bit bullshit but no more than a lot of other NES games. I think it’s bad reputation stems from the fact it was an early AVGN episode and that it’s not as “crowd pleasing” as the best em ups.
>It would had been cool to see a '87 series game on the 32 bit generation
I like to think it would have looked like Shredder’s Revenge but it would have probably been a pre-rendered nightmare of a game like that Fantastic 4 beat em up
>Manhattan Project is the best Konami TMNT game
Still the SNES Turtles In Time I think.

>>11858938
Biker Mice From Mars >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Street Sharks

I really don't even see why Street Sharks are that popular outside of being a rose tinted nostalgia meme

>>11867985
>I really don't even see why Street Sharks are that popular outside of being a rose tinted nostalgia meme
Because they're JAWSOME!

>>11861376
>We didn't have 700 channels + streaming + torrenting old media onto our touchscreen mobile phones.
What the fuck?

>>11867985
I remember seeing a lot more Street Sharks toys than Biker Mice ones as a kid.

>>11868069
I actually liked the original SS toys quite a bit. I just found the tv show underwhelming

>>11857760 (OP)
Italian restaurants psyop to sell more pizza
Italians good at shit like that, look up Mafia organizations

>>11867984
>’s not really terrible. It’s just tough and has a good amount of 8 bit bullshit but no more than a lot of other NES games. I think it’s bad reputation stems from the fact it was an early AVGN episode and that it’s not as “crowd pleasing” as the best em ups.

No, it's jankbad

>>11866891
That's the strangest association I've seen,

>>11867856
TMNT on NES is a good game. A great game with a crazy amount of depth.
Manhattan Project is better than TMNT II The Arcade Game.

>>11867985
I've been wondering if it's worth downloading the Street Sharks cartoon. I did download Biker Mice. I missed them both when I was younger. I was much more of a TMNT kid. I got to see the 1990 movie in theaters.

I think it was dead by the end of 92. I never saw anyone with the new figures or talking about it after that.

>>11868746
Street Sharks and Biker Mice both were pretty shit shows to me. The better ones were obviously Swat Kats which was legitimately badass, and Cowboys of Moo Messa which was probably the least cool idea, but not bad for like a generic kids cartoon

>>11867985
Street Sharks nostalgia comes a lot from the toys, which were some of the best. These things were just awesome, cool gimmicks, weighed a ton, had "realistic shark skin", chomping mouths, some of the best detailing/molding on any figures

>>11867856
Hyperstone Heist is better than arcade/snes Turtles in Time

>>11868560
TMNT is an interesting and difficult game but it's still jank.
>Donatello is clearly the best turtle and is only a bit worse than the others at hitting small enemies directly in front of him. Everybody else has stupid subtle undocumented advantages like doing more damage at 1/2 health or against certain enemy types, none of it matters for beating the game.
>hardest parts of the game are dealing with the retarded jump mechanics, falling down some one space gaps where spike walls insta-kill you, and controlling the spawning of flying spacemen in the Technodrome
>refill your health by grinding hard to reach pizzas
>some British-tier design like the alternate route in the technodrome where you must take damage from a spiked floor, and there's no warning before you enter this room

>>11867856
I liked the ninja girl's ass cheeks in one of the fighting games. Japanese TMNT stuff is kino.

>>11858225
I don't see it

>>11857810
Peter Chung is amazing

>>11868775
Was the second and third movie really that bad?

>>11858661
Phony Turtlemania has bitten the dust

>>11868892
The only weight I give to the argument is that the TMNT cartoon was probably animated in Japan
I know early Real Ghostbusters were

>>11868901
But they didn't design the cartoon April O'Neil. Despite his name Peter Chung is an American (though I guess he was born in Korea)

>>11868845
>Swat Kats
Oh yea... You like that?
I checked to see what I downloaded and I had downloaded WildCats. Which looks pretty cool. I might check out SWAT Kats too. I want a collection of videos to have on a player connected to an old consumer crt television. I have a player I found at a thrift store that has outputs from RF to Component and handles most modern files up to x264 very well.
It reminds me of a budget file player you'd buy for a new OLED television.

Did someone say Swat Kats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e0iKeBmp3c

>>11868896
Just the third movie. No part of it is worth watching.

>>11868917
Yes, Swat Kats is legit a cool cartoon. Better than Wildcats I'd say though that is a cool piece of 90s capeshit history, back when more than Marvel/DC could briefly live in the spotlight too

>>11868723

Usagi Yojimbo has no actual relation to the Ninja Turtles, it is another independent comic book series. But Mirage comics still liked to do cross overs with Usagi Yojimbo in the comics. The character made cameos in the 1987 and 2003 animated series and has toys in both toylines. The first appearance in the 1987 animated series was meant to be a stealth pilot for a pitch for a Usagi Yojimbo cartoon series made by Murakami-Wolf Films. In that episode Donatello builds an interdenominational portal to Usagi Yojimbo's anthro/ Ancient feudal Japan dimension... I know the characters name is not Usagi Yojimbo. It's just easier to call him that.

>>11869013
Pretty sure Usagi popped up in the 2012 cartoon, too. It's almost tradition for him and the Turtles to meet in any new TMNT series.

>>11869013
>Usagi Yojimbo has no actual relation to the Ninja Turtles
>except for all those times they went on adventures together in comics and cartoons

>>11869051
>>Usagi Yojimbo has no actual relation to the Ninja Turtles
>>except for all those times they went on adventures together in comics and cartoons

I mean, aside from the cameos and crossovers. I mean the character was not a creation of Mirage comics.

>>11868746
Hell no, the SS cartoon is kind of bad for toy cartoon standards, plot and animation wise, it was obviously carried by the toy line which was great. I saw some Bike Mice episodes and it was better, not great, but fun.

>>11869185
>the SS cartoon
I watched an episode that had some scam artist guitar player transformed to a street shark by eating PopCorn laced with cancer.
I don't know if they're all as good as that episode, but that one was pretty enjoyable.

>>11868895
>>11868907
The guy that did Aeon Flux? That was kino.

>>11869013
I am aware, hence why I posted his origins in Albedo.
>I know the characters name is not Usagi Yojimbo
Miyamoto Usagi, yojimbo means bodyguard

>>11866724
Was Erma Felna EDF an inspiration for Star Fox? Fucking feels like it.

I wish Ted Turner didn't kill SWAT Cats.

>>11869523
Nope, Thunderbirds was and some Japanese folklore and sayings, all put into space. It's also more action based with space dogfights while Albedo/Erma Felna has more ground based combat and is concerned a lot with the space politics and characters. No one in Japan seems to know its existence, even if Usagi Yojimbo does have a small fandom there.
But I absolutely see and have thought about the connection, both are furry military space operas, makes me wished either got a cartoon. It wouldn't be the first time it got referenced in a game either, see >>11869785
Erma herself even exists as an easter egg in Star Trek TNG

>>11866724
>Cutey Bunny
>The amulet allows Kelly to change instantly into any one of six different costumes, and gain the powers associated with each
Nice Cutey Honey ripoff

>>11869831
early furries were all weebs

>>11869732
>I wish Ted Turner didn't kill
Same

The toy line was wild. It was funny. It was cool. It was ninjas. For an eight year old it had everything. The first episodes are excellent. The movie was also A+. To me the toy line, and comic drawings of the turtles, was the most important part.
The newer turtles are either too friendly, too scary (Bay), or not as cool (obsessed with splinters teachings), or too retro (made for middle age).
I don’t follow it, so I don’t know new characters. And when they make a movie, it’s always the origin story and shredder. Or they completely delete what helped make it popular (April). The next mutation is when I dropped it completely.
There is nothing better than the toys and character designs.

>>11870389
I like all the little details the toys and even the packaging for them had. Fun to look at.

>>11862127
>Older zoomers grew up with the 2003 cartoon
Mostly the younger millennials.

Going by the JP boxarts in the Cowabunga Collection, I'm surprised by how much they use the Cowabunga-Pizza-Dudes, compared to American boxarts all trying to ape the Mirage/Image era aesthetics.

>Like SNES TiT, but it's almost too easy to a point where I can 1CC without doing anything nuts
>Arcade TiT can be fucking insane, and just rips quarters from you
-not /vr/ but-
>Shredder's Revenge has a lot of content, but comes off as an even easier (albeit nicely animated) TiT, with the real challenges being missions and a hit-less (not damage-less) run on Super Shredder.
How are NES Turtles and Hyperstone Heist?

>>11871059
Fat splinter

>>11871059
>How are NES Turtles
First one can be kinda janky (weird floaty jumping physics and things like that) but it's cool and worth trying. Second one is the arcade game, it adds some extras but probably not worth it over the original arcade version nowadays. Manhattan Project is a great NES beat em up, I might like it even more than TiT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5oC8FFcYo8

>>11857760 (OP)
As most cartoons on that age all of them got animated in japan, anything with similar style is on a technical level anime even if was something made for western market.
>jaycee andthe weeled warriors.
>teenage mutant ninja turtles.
>bots master.
Just to name a few that can be traced to made in japan.

>>11870389
I'm surprised they never made some of the characters like Macc or Rex1 into toys. Some of the later ones are truly random nobodies.

>>11870389
>too scary (Bay)
... wut?

>>11871059
HH is the GOAT, TiTties seethe.

>>11870741
Borderline same thing
A 1995 and 1997 kid would've gone to the same school, and both would've watched the 2003 turtles
The 97 kid would've been ten years old for the 2007 movie and the weird future spin off

>>11857760 (OP)
They're fucking kickass ninja teenagers that ride skateboards and eat pizza with 'radical' catchphrases like 'cowabunga!'

Certainly appealed to me when I was a kid

>>11859924
No doubt they'll edit out the cigar-smoking asian kid when they re-release tge movie this year

https://gizmodo.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-1990-re-release-new-footage-tmnt-2000622059

>>11870823
Japan got the cartoon and not the comics. Which makes Tournament Fighters a REALLY bizarre thing for them, I imagine, since half the roster is based on Mirage/Archie.

While we're talking TMNT the entire 1987 series is now available(for free) on Tubi of all places which is pretty crazy because that's the first place the entire series has been on a streaming service.

>>11868898
You deserve a (You)

>>11871313
>As most cartoons on that age all of them got animated in japan

Season 1 (all 5 episodes) were animated by Toei in Japan. Later seasons were a mix of A-! studios, Dong Woo studios in Korea, some french animation studios, some Taiwan studios, Philippines.

>>11872654
Who did all those weird cartoony looking episodes in the third season where they turtles expressions are almost overanimated

>>11874407
I don't know what you're referring to but I'm barging in to bet all my money they were probably from an Eastern European studio. Those guys fucking love animating more frames than necessary, also where the weirdest Tom and Jerry episodes came from

The toys!

it couldn't be the fact that it was a cartoon that was just a huge advertisement for NY and Pizza, no that couldn't be it

>>11874771
One of the episodes is April Fool. It looks really weird, especially compared to the Japanese animated episodes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKHdEhYkDrI

As beloved as TMNT is, I'm sort of surprised there isn't some sort of comprehensive production guide out there.

>>11861228
It started in the 90s in Latin America.

>>11876214
80s kids famously booking all those flights to the New York City sewer system

>>11876684
Mike from AVGN kinda did that. Look at his reviews that him and James did.

>>11876724
>>11861228
Turtlemania I would say lasted from the start of the cartoon, 1987, to the second movie, which was 1991

Even still, it's not like it just vanished immediately either, I was born in 89 and pretty much all kids I knew in elementary school at least LIKED tmnt, even if not hugely obsessed. I had a TMNT bike as my first bike, we regularly watched the movies on VHS and played the video games on SNES etc, it was just there, then Power Rangers hit and became huge for a while, then Pokemon a few years after that died down

>>11867856
I actually just beat TMNT 1 for the NES and Radical Rescue this past weekend. I played them on the Cowabunga Collection. Yes, I used the rewind feature to save time. No, I don't care. Did I mention how much time it saved me?
TMNT 1 is not nearly as hard when you're not 4 years old. Knowing hat those gaps are about walking and not jumping helps. The other big thing is realizing that the game is all about grinding. But how can you grind in TMNT? There is a building in world 3 that gives you the kiai weapon. It's the most powerful weapon in the game. As little kids in the 80s, we didn't realize that the proper tactic was to go back into the building to get the item over and over again. There was an a full health pizza in that run. So you do that, get your max weapons, max health, and you can get through world 3. World 4 is also not so bad. The technodrome is where things really get crazy. If I wasn't occasionally rewinding and reloading saves, I would have gotten game over there so many times. Having to work back up to that each time would have been a huge slog. In worlds 3, 4, & 5 however, you can also rescue your lost turtles. So once you know where you can do that, you're never truly in danger of losing. Except for possibly the final technodrome level again.
Radical Rescue was a fun metroid like game. I only used save states to save time of retreading old ground all the time. The final bit being a boss gauntlet was rough and Shredder was pretty annoying. If I had had to run the boss gauntlet again after every loss, I probably would have gotten sick of the game and stopped. Just a side effect of being older now.
I enjoyed both games though. I do recommend any turtle fan try them out.

>>11876871
Yeah and there's also the old reviews on TMNT Entity blog (unfortunately ghettoized on some crappy comics review site now). There's some good insight on those but I've seen a lot of his claims contradicted on /co/... like that some of the season 3 episodes were animated by TMS.

My parents took me to this live show when I was 5. First time I went to a concert show in a huge stadium. Really great experience as a kid thinking those were the actual, real TMNT.

>>11857760 (OP)
i unironically hate how every new TMNT series starting with the 2003 series takes a crap on the original cartoon like it's some sort of embarrassment. were eastman & laird salty that the cartoon was (and in many ways still is) more popular/relevant than their comic?

>>11861262
how i feel about the TMNT comics is how i feel about x-men outside of the 90s cartoon. everything's either too convoluted or just straight up dogshit. despite how i feel about the above i feel like most of the other TMNT media out there does a good job without going full retard.

>>11877479
I mean I never read the comics but aren't they where all the weirder stuff like zombie shredder, aliens, other dimensions etc comes from?

>>11877515
i think dimension X was a cartoon creation but it wouldn't surprise me if the other stuff came from comics. especially since the newer shows borrow from the IDW comics like raph's fox girlfriend appearing in the 2012 series.

>>11877589
>i think dimension X was a cartoon creation but it wouldn't surprise me if the other stuff came from comics. especially since the newer shows borrow from the IDW comics like raph's fox girlfriend appearing in the 2012 series.

Krang, the Technodrome, Beebop and Rocksteady, the Stone Warriors, the robot foot soldiers, and a vast majority of characters were created for the 1987 cartoon series. Krang was loosely based on the Utroms from the comics. But the Doimension X war was made for the cartoon. Keep in mine, the 1987 cartoon was made to help sell toys. So they were always creating new figures/ play sets etc that would end up in the cartoon series.

>>11877024
>Yes, I used the rewind
You didn't even play the games.

>>11877479
And now we get 2003 TMNT embargo.

>>11877479
The 2003 cartoon is just better
The 87 cartoon was the sell out point and one of those things you can you watch if you're a 40yo boomer, like any OG Transformers stuff that wasn't the movie. The peak of the first turtlemania was the movie, which was based directly on the comic and not the show

>>11877702
>You didn't even play the games.
Bitch I played the games on original hardware when they were brand new when I was 4 years old. I played them before you were ever even born.

>>11877908
>40yo boomer
Stupid zoom zooms think someone born in 1985 is a boomer. Pure retard generation.

>>11860340
The fact that people don't even know what a perm is anymore, is why they keep trying to make April black. They parade this old art as EVIDENCE she has been all along. It's so stupid.

>>11861227
It isn't.
If you wanna talk "serious version done well" then 2012 shits in 2003's mouth.

LET'S RODEO!

>>11877908
>"The 87 cartoon was the sell out point and one of those things you can you watch if you're a 40yo boomer, like any OG Transformers stuff that wasn't the movie."
>the TMNT arcade games that people like so much that they got sequels recently are based on the 87 cartoon.
>nobody but the kids who grew up on bayformers wants it back.
i like the 2003 TMNT cartoon and non-G1 transformers too but you are just retarded.

>>11878362
>They parade this old art as EVIDENCE she has been all along. It's so stupid.
if i remember correctly the other thing is that she's based on eastman's late wife who was bi-racial. >>11860340 this art more closely resembles her IRL influence.

>>11878203
>t-that's not how you use the word!
t. million year old boomer

>>11878362
She was based on one of the co-creator's gf, who was part black. So there is weight to it.
But for all intents and purposes, April the character isn't really black, not as the story went on at least

>>11879052
>>t-that's not how you use the word!
CORRECT! Amazing that your generation is so retarded though that you think pointing out how the other person is right is somehow owning them.

>>11878812
When he started dating her he drew April to resemble her more but she's obviously pretty white in her first appearance. Also people really get caught up on April's permmed hair. It was the 80s! Lots of women had perms.

>>11877908
2000s TMNT like all garbage 00s kids look back at nostalgically

Is nothing but fake baby edge for faggots. You want edgy TMNT you read some of the 90s comics, but it applies to anything, your generation is so soft and pussy

You think Linkin Park, Shadow, and 03 Turtles is edgy when the 90s has Cannibal Corpse, The Crow, Spawn. The fucking 90s TMNT movie was even edgier than anything in that baby "Shredder is an alien!" show. Fuck the 00s and anyone nostalgic for it

>>11880163
Based tryhard edgy 90s kid

>>11879736
>CORRECT!
I'll put it very simple for you:
Faggot.
I know you're smart, and you'll know exactly what that means.

>>11880163
>You think Linkin Park, Shadow, and 03 Turtles is edgy
I hated all of that besides ninja turtles
03 turtles were fun and cool. Millennials at the time were nostalgia obsessed faggots who would constantly shit on it compared to the 87 turtles

>>11881140
I remember lots of whining about how the cartoon wasn't EXACTLY how people remembered it. I love the 87 series but 2003 is objectively a better show.

>>11881137
>Faggot
Oh no, not an ad hominem from a retarded zoomer. Whatever will I do?
>I know you're smart,
I am and that clearly pisses you off retard. Here's a free hint for you. The smartest thing you could ever do is simply shut the fuck up. You won't though.

>>11862889
>I don't know why the fuck OP is asking that question here which is why I think it's a bot.
There's been a huge influx of threads like this during the last month. Either it's a bot invasion or some new form of shitposting asking questions with the most blatantly obvious answers. Other examples I've seen are

>was halo 2 really that big when it came out
>did everyone actually like super mario bros on release
>what was it like to own a SNES in the early 90s

>>11881676
>ad hominem
So you're too retarded to get the point.
Why are you mad? What's insulting about being called a cigarette or bundle of sticks? That's what the word means after all.
Here's another one: Lame.

>>11878196
So why didn't you bother playing them in the present? No self respecting man in their 40's would be caught dead using rewind like a... bitch.

>>11870389
>The toy line was wild.
Yeah, loved the toys as kid, big part of what made the franchise popular imo. Great character designs, very creative. This is gonna sound retarded, but also the color green. I think it was just very popular in the 90s for some reason, especially that neon green.
>The first episodes are excellent.
The cartoons were probably one of my least favorite things about TMNT. The intro is great though, awesome music, instantly catchy and memorable, probably a big part of what made it popular.
>The movie was also A+.
The movie was huge for me back then. The cinematography is great, the costumes are great, the story is great, it was one of the best kid's films around at the time, that probably contributed a lot to its popularity.

>>11867856
The combat in arcade prevents players from mashing buttons to beat up the foot, lets you do it in the snes.

>>11857760 (OP)
Simple: there wasn’t anything like it. It took pieces from all over and combined it to make something great. Even shows that tried to steal the formula, like Biker Mice and Street Sharks, had success too.

>>11884995
This is the big thing. The SNES version feels way better and more satisfying.

>>11857760 (OP)
Does anyone else feel an enormous sense of guilt for pestering their parents to constantly buy them all this crap? Every time they turned around I was wanting some retarded toy that they knew would make me a failed male but didn't have the heart to tell me.

>>11886428
No because after getting a job I realized they always had 50 bucks to spare

>>11886428
Nope. Not in the slightest. I barely asked for anything. I do distinctly remember asking for Mighty Max a couple times. And I had two or three of them.

A big part of it is that kids just love monsters and weird creatures. That was the common thread between most of the mega-popular kids franchises in the 80s. TMNT, MOTU, and of course, Star Wars, which all of them were more or less aping.
More human-centric IP's like G.I.Joe and M.A.S.K. struggled to compete probably because of this, even though they did everything else right.
It wasn't just the 80s either, I mean, look at how big Pokemon is.

The IP is whored too much. Joining Nickelodeon's portfolio was like doubling down.

>>11862141
I'm 28 and I remember watching VHS tapes because they were cheap as shit so my parents just dumped all my siblings' hand-me-down VHS tapes (including shit like Predator and Robocop) on me like 'hey smoke up johnny'.

I also got mad into the Turtles because my brothers were into it in the early 00s. When they started repeating the show on CBBC in the early 2000s we watched it religiously and even went out of our way to record it onto VHS tapes. Missing an episode was a huge deal. I had a bunch of my brothers' hand-me-down TMNT toys, including the punching helicopter and a weird skateboard with a foot-shaped pedal. And the fucking blimp. That fucking blimp.

>>11867367
Stan was great at animatronics no doubt but I doubt he had the understanding of stylistic character design that was required for the turtles. The Henson workshop's pure passion for goofy goobers was absolutely necessary to bring the Turtles to life. That spark for the oddball is palpable in the suits and it's why they're so believable and loveable despite being blemished animatronic suits from the late eighties. It's like how early Kermit is visibly just felt and small plastic balls, but you still BELIEVE in him because Ole' Jim himself fully believed that this array of fabrics is a living, breathing little feller.

>>11887673
Before someone flies up my arse about what I said about Stan by the way; I think he was utterly fantastic at doing realistic things. The Terminator endoskeleton feels real purely because of his work. I just don't think something as unrealistic and goofy as the Turtles would have been in his wheelhouse. Stan made the fantastical real, and the Turtles are really fantastical.

>>11887665
CBBC? Woah... careful withe N word. You might get the television people coming down on you. You don't want to be late paying your TV licionece do you?
Better start calling them Hero Turtles if don't want to take a piss.

>>11887583
G.I. Joe didn't struggle to compete, at least not in the 80s, it was very popular. The older G.I. Joe fandom back then in like the 90s early internet days was pretty serious too, rivaled Transformers in terms of dedication and tism.

Problem with G.I. Joe is they just didn't follow it up. People always theorize "war shit just isn't cool to kids" but I can tell you, that isn't true, especially since G.I. Joe was also scifi/fantasy with ninjas, cool vehicles, cyborgs etc

Joe almost had a 90s rebranding like Beast Wars but it didn't happen, and the series just kept sinking in relevance to the point that when they finally tried reviving it 2010s, it didn't get a ton of attention cause theres now a generation of kids who didn't grow up with it making a gape in interest

TMNT has had about....one third of the number of cartoons Transformers had, and its why the Transformers brand is now bigger than it, despite the opposite being true in the early 90s, it's all about visibility as a brand and how many kids grow up to be nostalgic, Transformers never stopped, TMNT peppered shit in, MOTU and GI Joe tried but they dropped the ball and became more B list

>>11857760 (OP)
Ninjas plus Teenagers plus Pizza. What's to get?
Plus add on the fact most people had limited media to consume anyway... so what you got was what you got.
It'd be dumb for anyone to say that it was amazing even in it's time, it wasn't. It's like how we used to play rocks... the game where we'd throw rocks at eachother... because that's what we fucking had and we were busy finishing off eating the lead paint our parents lived off.

>>11857760 (OP)
pizza and cowabunga

>>11888537
>Joe almost had a 90s rebranding like Beast Wars but it didn't happen, and the series just kept sinking in relevance to the point that when they finally tried reviving it 2010s, it didn't get a ton of attention cause theres now a generation of kids who didn't grow up with it making a gape in interest
GI joe was fairly active in the 2000s with the CGI movies, sigma 6 & resolute. it's struggle for relevancy after the 80s & 90s was that it was too "PG" for what they were trying to do and that hasbro kept putting the wrong people in charge of the IP. for example the 2019 reboot IDW tried to do flopped so badly that hasbro basically took away all their IPs they'd licensed out to IDW (transformers, jem, ROM, stretch armstrong & micronauts) and gave transformers & GI joe to image/skybound.

>MOTU
what killed MOTU was the netflix shows. nu-she-ra was "divisive" and revelations was basically kevin smith shitting all over the IP by claiming his teela fanfic was canon to the 80s show.

>Transformers never stopped
there's definitely signs of them slowing down. the last couple of cartoons flopped, reactivate was cancelled after a long time in development hell and TF: ONE despite praise from fans and critics as being the best transformers movie financially bombed so hard it basically killed transformers as film franchise with talks of bringing bayformers back in an attempt to salvage it.

skybound is probably the only good thing going for transformers right now.

>>11890834
I will absolutely disagree with anyone saying TF One is better than the 1986 movie, but that's whatever. I'm pretty purist in certain TF beliefs I really hate the idea of Magneto'd Megatron.

That being said, TF is kinda where it was before. Hasbro had a bit of a golden age in the late 00s-mid 10s, between Michael Bay and Lauren Faust, but now they've fumbled shit enough to sink back to where they kinda were before that, existing fine enough, nothing sticking that well but doing it's job good enough of shilling plastic to kids before rebooting to the next cycle. When it comes to TF specifically, you have three high periods
>G1
>Beast Wars
>Bay/Animated era - TF Prime
I feel like right now, is kinda how the brand usually is, its like "normal", but among fans it's pretty divisive for the same culture war reasons anything is, though them cancelling Earthspark and IDW losing the lisence, I feel like they realized pandering to Twitter types Marvel style isn't actually putting money in anything and is just pissing off most of the nerds who really buy plastic

>>11888537
mid 90s had GI Joe Extreme but that didn't last. I watched it. 80s and early 90s GI Joe was better.

>>11888537
>G.I. Joe didn't struggle to compete
It wasn't a MOTU or TMNT level phenomenon where kids went actual bonkers over that shit, so yes it did. It was relegated to the lower leagues, where it may have thrived, but it didn't "compete" with ninja turtles, not even close.

>>11892310
I guess it's anecdotal but I feel like I played with as many G.I. Joe toys growing up as I did TMNT between me and other kids toy collections, and this was early 90s when TMNT was certainly more popular.

>>11857760 (OP)
Catchy opening

>>11857810
Id buy a Peter Chung art book but I think he mentions that he hates "process" stuff since only the final product matters
so I doubt he has any desire to put out an art book

I didn't love the original Nintendo game but I wish they made more TMNT games like it .
Arcade Beat Em ups are okay but I was never a huge fan of that genre

>>11893623
>I wish they made more TMNT games like it .
Me too. Instead of being unique it should have been the standard alongside the beat em ups.

>>11893685
The game was based on another one called Getsu Fuuma Den.