>You're Dealin' with cold blooded assassinators. Decapitate your body give the food to alligators
What did he mean by this?

>>11869452 (OP)
I love how it took Street Fighter a literal decade to recover after spamming a million different fucking releases of the same game, to the point where Third Strike only sold a measly 170,000 units.

>>11869452 (OP)
Alpha 2 and 3 are better

>>11869713
Wrong

>>11871260
no, he's right
parry makes every interaction a guessing game in 3rd strike, it's retarded. if you jump and I was ready for it, that should be your ass. instead it's a mixup. that's objectively ass.
3rd strike is the worst street fighter since the original.

>>11869704
I love how dumbass zoomer tourists spout shit like this as if they knew what they're talking about

>>11869452 (OP)
he meant he had 24 hours to write and record 3 songs if he wanted to get paid

>>11871271
Air blocking is 10 times gayer and non committal than air parries. Air parries take timing, game knowledge, they aren't free they take an actual commitment with a input press. you don't know what you're talking about.

>>11871283
you can't air block grounded normals in the alpha series. jumping isn't a mixup in those games.
air parry is a 6f window even if you hold the input, hardly difficult, and can even be OS'd into a late jump normal if they don't attempt to AA.
it turns jumping from a hard read to something you just say fuck it and do for no reason, with even less risk and the same high reward as games without air parry.
seems like you're the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.

>>11871283
>they aren't free they take an actual commitment with a input press
What the fuck are you committing to by air parrying if you can't air block? It's literally free, everyone at my local just throws an air parry in when they jump, regardless of whether they're sticking a button out or going for empty jump, because you never know when you'll get lucky, and there is no downside whatsoever. I think 3rd Strike shits all over Alpha but that dude has one thing right - you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>11871274
I love how retarded capcucks don't know dick about shit and like to pretend that what someone says isn't true because it makes their developer look like money-grubbing jews.

>>11871271
Parries make Street Fighter actually interesting to play instead of just normal-game slop.

>>11871513
maybe for shitters like you who just button mash casually with your friends, sure

>>11871508
cool now look up how many releases SF2 had in the arcades

>>11869452 (OP)
>Simple thread about a fighting game
>Turns into shitflinging between competitive autism

>>11871543
That's the whole point you dipshit. They Re-released Street Fighter 2 so much they killed the franchise within 4 years by the time of Alpha Zero's release, which by the time they released another mainline entry, Street Fighter 3, it didn't even sell 1/10th of what Street Fighter 2 did, and sold 1/200th of the arcade cabinets Street Fighter 2 did, resulting in another mainline entry not being seen until 11 years after 3, in 2008.

Disregard all these bitches. Whose your main?

>>11872223
Alex

>>11872223
elena

>>11872243
Hes by far the most fun grappler capcom has ever made
>>11872267
Gitting gud with Elena is really fun but she pisses off so many players with her shenanigans

>>11872286
i've heard elena described as a chun-lite, but idk i just really love her and playing her, even if i wish she had more combos to work with

>>11871541
How does a skill-based mechanic make him a casual shitter button masher? Think, stupid.

>>11872223
Ibuki, she's absurdly fun

>>11872215
you dont know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>11872296
parry takes almost no actual skill
it's a 10 frame window on the ground, it is extremely easy to parry shit
only casuals think it legitimately improves the game, actually strong players see how it completely changes fundamental street fighter for the worse

>>11872223
Chun because why waste time with an inferior character and Yun is too much work

>>11872286
anyone who gets pissed off by elena is a shitter failing knowledge checks, she's actually kinda booty

>>11872319
>say facts
>retard dismisses it
Many such cases.

>>11872324
Ok then fag, go cry somewhere else and play your shitty other games in your dead fightcade lobbies lol. Meanwhile based 3s players are still having fun with a healthy player base.

>>11872326
>Why waste time with an inferior character
Because fun? Like you are ever going to experience a high level tournament scene to justify picking top tiers. Like I have a million times more fun playing my low-tier shit team in MVC2 than I ever would if I just played top tier.

>>11872340
you didn't say any facts.
the rise of 3D games and a complete saturation of arcades with SF clones of varying quality is what killed interest in another 2D SF game.
Alpha 3 was well loved even in 99. The SF3 subseries got the side-eye because they replaced most of the roster with brand new characters, and the new mechanics were not as well-received as 3rd Strike's legacy would have you believe. People stuck to the Alpha games.
You simply don't know what you're talking about, because like most of the retards on this board, you're a zoomer who wasn't there getting his information from faggot youtubers who also weren't there.

>>11872326
>why waste time with an inferior character
Because the top 3 in this game aren't fun to play at all, if I was still playing Ken like I did for the first week I tried out 3s I'd have shot myself already because that character is so fucking boring

>>11872345
>Like you are ever going to experience a high level tournament scene to justify picking top tiers
I literally play on cab twice a week in one of the strongest and most active local scenes in the nation. People traveled from across the country to compete in our monthly points brackets during Jazzy Circuit this year.
Fightcade shitters like you can go ahead and polish up your Necros and Ibukis for fun so you can dunk on D ranks or whatever. I'm playing to win.

>>11872324
>takes no skill
>extremely easy to parry
>its a 10 frame window

That's 0.16 seconds you retard. Average human reaction time is around 0.25 seconds. It's not the hardest thing ever but you won't pull it off unless you either have quicker-than-average reflexes or know the frame windows of characters and have extensive practice on that specific thing. Quit being a disingenuous moron.

>only casuals think it legitimately improves the game, actually strong players see how it completely changes fundamental street fighter for the worse
Right, which is why Street Fighter 3rd Strike is considered in the top tier in competitive scenes.

I'm not even competitive, but the parry mechanic is interesting because it adds a pro-active defense mechanic that helps take out shitters who rely on safe mechanics as guarantees, you know, like an authentic interpretation of actual combat.

>>11872347
Go away Mike Watson. Or is this Alex Valle? Nobody cares you fucking boomer. Anybody who didn't transition to third strike in the arcade scene were filtered. Just admit it was a game not suited to your faggoty hadoken spacing and low-forward spam playstyle like the gay ST faggot you are. Just admit you didn't have what it took to learn a new game's meta so you had to be little bitches for years until SF4 came out.

>>11872351
>Yun isn't fun to play
you have either never actually played 3rd Strike in your life or you're hot liquid ass at the game lol
Ken so completely embodies fundamental 3rd Strike that if you don't like the character you don't actually like the game all that much quite frankly, you just like whatever weird bullshit your preferred character gets to do

>>11872354
>blah blah blah Shit nobody cares about
Here's your shit nobody cares about award. I hope you won your $200 prize pool or whatever for winning with Chun.

>>11872356
>parry is about reflexes
see, you just fucked up and admitted you don't know anything about the game. Parries are done on a read or as part of a safe OS. Nobody does parries on reaction except to fireballs, which take so long to get to you that a geriatric could probably do it with practice.
which brings me to the next point: a 10f window is insanely lenient and incredibly easy to hit. the proof of this is the fact that even C ranks on fightcade can reliably parry projectiles. It's just not a high-skill mechanic.
>Street Fighter 3rd Strike is considered in the top tier in competitive scenes
by 3rd Strike players and by people who watch Max Dood but don't actually play fighting games. nobody else gives a fuck.

>>11872357
>gets btfo
>throws a tantrum
lmfao. classic retard behavior

>>11872362
>says something dumb
>gets refuted
>GRRR WELL NO1CURR
lmfao. retard

>>11872359
Ken is awful, he's a baby character that has everything handed to him to the point that you barely have to play the game to win

>>11872359
>Ken so completely embodies fundamental 3rd Strike
Ryu embodies fundamental 3s. Ken embodies everything bad about the game.

Oh, look, it's another fighting game thread where one anon actually plays the game and knows what they're talking about, while everyone else tries to shout them down with ignorance. Must be Tuesday.

It's crazy that out of all the posters on this board that seem to want to discuss fighters, maybe three or four actually have the first clue.

>>11872368
don't care. parry is fun. nothing in SF has ever felt as rewarding and fun as parrying an ex fireball or super in midair. I don't care that you made some "hard read" on my jump in. Just change your anti-air timing or don't hit buttons, or parry yourself if you thought I hit a button. 3s is still the most fun and expressive fighting game ever made, theres nothing quite like having a fun back and fourth with a player at your skill level and you both pull off cool shit. Basically compfags are over-opinionated little sticks in the mud and literally have no idea how to have fun and if they see others having fun they have a huge manbaby rage

>>11872347
>STREET FIGHTER ALPHA 3 WAS WELL LIKED, REEEEEEEEE
That shit sold worse than fucking Cool Boarders 2 lmao

>>11872369
>>11872370
>>11872379
obvious samefag

>>11872371
That's Chun, retard.
Ken has strong tools but his glaring weakness is that he has no dirt. Without good fundamentals, Ken is not an auto-win character. If you lose to a Ken, you either suck at the game or you got outplayed.
Every post you make just further confirms that you don't know shit. Maybe quit posting, stop embarrassing yourself.

>>11871271
>I'm not allowed to do the same single-hitting anti-air 500 times in a row? I have to actually change my strategies? This game fucking sucks

>>11872368
>see, you just fucked up and admitted you don't know anything about the game. Parries are done on a read or as part of a safe OS

>except to fireballs
Thanks for disproving yourself and making yourself look like a totally complete fucking moron. I rest my case.

You also left out the fact that you can recognize heavy strikes and react to a parry for that, but you're a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about, so I'll go easy on you.

>>11872384
whoops!

>>11872354
You sound like LowTierGod, in that you sound extremely cock, and incredibly overrated.

>I'm playing to win.
Which is funny, because from the way you talk it sounds like you lose, a lot.

>>11872385
>Without good fundamentals, Ken is not an auto-win character.
Good fundamentals such as landing a single low forward and learning the most basic cancels on the planet

>>11872387
You just proved beyond any and all doubt that you don't know shit about the game lol
The fact that you think parrying projectiles on reaction from a distance is in any way comparable to parrying strikes on reaction in neutral is proof positive that if you have ever played 3rd Strike at all, you didn't understand the first thing about it.
Your whole point is that you think parrying is a skillful mechanic because you think people are using it in a way that literally nobody ever does, except in an edge case where it takes barely any skill at all, one that even C rank shitters can reliably achieve.
My fucking god. Why does this game attract the most ignorant fucks on the internet and entice them to spout off about shit they don't understand with all the unearned confidence they can muster? it's truly a mystery.

>>11872370
what the fuck is dumb about wanting to play a game for fun and not to only win? Can you compfags seriously go back to shoryuken.com or whatever the fuck you niggers belong to? Literally nobody cares about your stupid compfag shit for a fucking 26 year old game. If you had balls you would play SF6 and win real money in actually stacked tournaments, mr "im so good at fighting games". Jesus christ this board really has some true autism

>>11872391
>GRR NO U LOSE
I'm top 3 at my local every month. I win the whole thing now and then.
Here's a tip, kiddo: the Just World Hypothesis is a fallacy. I know you want to believe that people you personally don't like must be reaping negative consequences for whatever dickish behavior you think they're exhibiting, but life don't work that way. The dude who bullied you in high school probably owns a spacious home and has a gorgeous wife while enjoying stress-free days in a cushy, high-paying career.

>>11872393
>You just proved beyond any and all doubt that you don't know shit about the game lol
Saving face and gaslighting. How sad.

>The fact that you think parrying projectiles on reaction from a distance is in any way comparable to parrying strikes on reaction in neutral is proof positive that if you have ever played 3rd Strike at all, you didn't understand the first thing about it.
Sure kiddo, ignore the fact I stated right below that about heavy attacks, or the fact you can transition from blocking TO parrying.

You are so fucking stupid I think I'm actually losing braincells talking to you.

>>11872396
>I'm top 3 at my local every month
Lmao, woweee, I came in top bracket at my local smash tournament and I never play the fucking game, tell me when you achieve something in life actually worth telling me you fucking retard.

>The dude who bullied you in high school probably owns a spacious home and has a gorgeous wife while enjoying stress-free days in a cushy, high-paying career.
Projecting much? You obsessed with fighting games because you never had the balls to stand up to your bully or something?

>>11872392
Please, continue confirming that you don't know what you're talking about.
Low forward xx shippu is not confirmable unless you're absolutely cracked. If you're getting hit by it, they're just better than you at footsies and you're walking into well-placed buffered counterpokes (you're getting outplayed by someone with better fundamentals).
That or you're doing unsafe shit and they're using it as a punish (because you suck).
So, just like I said, if you're losing to this shit, either they're good, or you're just plain bad.
The character is not handing them free wins. You're just too ass at the game to understand why you're losing.

Im getting confused by the troll larping as a top tournmanet 3s player and the angry butthurt Alpha 3. Either way you both have ruined a perfectly innocent third strike thread. I hope you are happy. Im glad the zoomer FGC grew up from this shit and is generally more pleasing to discuss fighting games with, the angry toxic elitism stayed with the boomers.

>>11872397
>>11872403
I'm pretty sure this is the same dude so I'll save myself some time here.
It's become clear that you're not even trying to seriously engage with me anymore, and you're just posting through it hoping I'll go away and you can pretend to yourself that not having anything better to do means you won. So I'll leave you with this:
I'm better at the game than you, you don't have the first clue what you're talking about, and while your false bravado evaporates the moment the argument is over and you're left only with the sad reality of your inadequate self, I'm still the fucking man anytime, anywhere.
Love ya, schmootz! Think of me when you jack off later.

>>11872406
>Low forward xx shippu is not confirmable unless you're absolutely cracked.
lmao, I knew how to do that shit consistently 2 days into playing the game, please stop pretending this character has difficult execution in any way.

>>11872406
>You know nothing about the game
>Also confirming cr.mk into sa3 is impossible

>>11872406
How do you even win as Ken if you don't know how to confirm into SA3 from low forward? Im a complete shitter on fightcade and I know if you can't confirm into super in 3s you are basically not good enough at execution and reactions yet to win. Dudley's entire fucking game is literally confirming into shit in an even smaller frame window

>>11872413
This happens to every fighting game thread. Only a handful of people on this board actually know what they're talking about on these games, and when they correct misinformation, everyone else refuses to defer. So this is what we end up with.

>>11872413
Weird people have a belief that every game in a series needs to be a constant rehash. So they feel the need to butt in with their crap worthless opinion, shitting up the thread.

>>11872415
>It's become clear that you're not even trying to seriously engage with me anymore
Yea dude, totally, despite the fact that you're relying purely on specious reasoning to assert that Third Strike sucks and is for casuals, whatever you say guy. I'm all the fat unwashed masses at your local are very impressed with your opinion. Ignore the fact you will never find a tier list posted online that puts Third Strike anywhere but A or S tier.

>I'm better at the game than you,
Okay, and I'm better at KOF 2002 UM than you...??? Lmao. Skill does not change the objective facts of game mechanics, ball-sucker.

>and while your false bravado evaporates the moment the argument is over and you're left only with the sad reality of your inadequate self, I'm still the fucking man anytime, anywhere.
Love ya, schmootz!
Imagine unironically typing this out thinking it makes you not look like a pathetic faggot. Someone watch too many anime's and think they're real life?

>Think of me when you jack off later.
I actually just got done having sex, so I'll have to take a rain check on that.

>>11872406
>Low forward xx shippu is not confirmable unless you're absolutely cracked
aaand there goes your right to say anyone else doesn't understand the game

>>11872416
You're either outright lying about being able to visually hit-confirm low forward into super consistently, or you don't actually know what "confirmable" means and you're legit bragging about taking 2 days to master one of the most bitch-basic cancels in any Street Fighter game, ever.
The only question here is, which kind of retardation are you admitting to?

>>11872415
Cringe pfpham

>>11872421
>>11872416
>>11872429
>>11872441
obvious samefag who does not know what a hit confirm is and thinks it just means cancel is obvious.
low forward sa3 is hit confirmable for players with above average reactions, but just barely, because the cancel window is extremely short. jazzy circuit top 8 players don't even go for it every time in a real match.
but please, tell me more about how your C-rank ass can totally rip the super on hit while checking your swing on block every single time you throw a low forward, on fightcade, WITH LAG. lmfao.
this board is full of fucking morons.

>>11872394
He hasn't achieved anything else in life to be proud of, so being good at a toy is his best bet.

>>11872431
No im pretty sure its just you and some other retard fighting about fighting game opinions when this thread could have just been cozy zone for 3s fans

First shit flinging show started off with some retard coming in here to state his opinion that Alpha 3 is better, like ok whatever dude make your own alpha 3 thread. which started the first argument about parry mechanics

Then some retard started some shit about Ken being fundamental or some stupid shit, which started another argument

Then some idiot started talking about how he's a top 3 tournament player at his local scene which has nothing to do with anything.

Im absolutely positive it's just been two people cat fighting over several different things.

>>11872460
I mean I could talk about the property I own, my cushy job, etc. but that's not really relevant on a retro video games board, is it? Why would I bring any of that up? Being good at a toy is just a bonus, it's a hobby. Are you not good at your hobbies?
Do remember: the Just World Hypothesis is a fallacy :)

>>11872461
I'll confirm that I'm the guy who defended parrying. Which is a hill I will die in the mud, piss, and shit on to defend with my dying breath.

>>11872469
>the property I own
You know he's posturing bad when he says "property" instead of "home".

>my cushy job
>he has to work
pic related

>>11872461
This is my whopping third post in the thread, buddy

>>11872459
Jazzy Circuit top 8 players sound fucking trash then lmao. How in the fuck can I land Ken's confirm like literally every time and I suck at 3s. All you do is fucking buffer the motion and then hit a fuckin button if you see it hit...
>>11872470
Parrying is based, im sick of people whining about parry like it makes them sound knowledgeable about SF fundamentals. It's just an extra layer of rock paper scissors which is all that fuckin SF boils down to in most situations anyways.

>>11872474
I mean I own my home and two multi-family rentals. the shortest way to express all that collectively is the word "property". Are you getting mad at how the English language works now?
Can we stop discussing my success in irrelevant matters and stay on topic here? This is a thread about Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike, a game released for the arcades by Capcom in 1999.

>>11872480
Post video of you hit confirming low forward into SA3 in real matches. Full matches, no editing.
You won't, because you're a lying fuck.

>>11871274
Are you implying Third Strike sold successfully?

>>11872481
>I mean I own my home and two multi-family rentals. the shortest way to express all that collectively is the word "property". Are you getting mad at how the English language works now?

No, how about we go deeper into it. Post'em.

>>11872480
>How in the fuck can I land Ken's confirm like literally every time and I suck at 3s
you can't lol
some people can, you're not one of them though

>>11872486
>dox yourself on 4chan
yeah let me get right on that for you :)

>>11872484
Dude is obvious troll now. Stop gaslighting me into making me believe ive split into an alternate reality where nobody can execute Ken's most simple and required to learn super confirm, and I am in fact the Daigo of Third Strike. Like huh?

>>11872492
Okay DSP.

>>11872489
Nah seriously stop trolling. Low forward into SA3 is the one im thinking of right? Low medium kick? Into SA3? The fucking super you spam low MP all day in match to literally build up so you can land low forward into super? Am I retarded or something and you guys are referring to something else.

You guys should have been around for SF4. Try confirming Yang's jab into ultra, thats a literal 1f confirm.

>>11872493
That's not a video. Not that you're going to post one, because you're a lying fuck.
You don't even play the game I bet. Literally anyone who knows shit about fuck knows that confirming low forward is not at all easy, nor even essential to Ken's game. You didn't know that though.
His essential confirms to know are TCxxLP DP and short short xx super, followed closely by back MK linked into super. You didn't know that though.
Low forward xx super is a great easy punish that's essential to know, but that's not a hit confirm. You just cancel into the super because the low forward is guaranteed to punish after blocking an unsafe enough move. You didn't know that though.

>>11872505
>a literal 1f confirm.
you absolutely do not know what a confirm is
if you had a 1f cancel window that's literally not confirmable because no human being alive will ever be able to react to whether the jab hit or got blocked in ONE FRAME
when you use the word CONFIRM what you actually mean is CANCEL. you dont know what the fuck you're talking about

>>11872505
> a literal 1f confirm.
That's not a confirm retard

>>11872509
im not lying. I dont play third strike anymore, but I played it a lot back in 2012-2013 when fightcade was called GGPO. I never really read any online tutorials back then (and there wasn't a lot at the time). I remember watching japanese tournament footage and just seeing ken players confirm low-forward into SA3 so I thought that was his basic shit, and I figured shit like confirming Dudleys heavy punch into SA3 from neutral was just as hard if not harder and that was his basic tool. So through lots of playing and thinking it was required, I just learned to confirm Ken's low-forward into SA3? I mean half of your brain is confident the poke is going to hit in neutral. But I got a lot better at the game and was confirming my whiff punishes into SA3 pretty much every time, not block punishes but whiff punishes and also even just raw mixup hits. Its really not that hard at all. Maybe I do just have good reactions? I play on controller so maybe buffering the input is a lot easier with your thumb than it is on a stick?

Maybe the overall expectations of what youre supposed to do in match has changed

>>11872514
>>11872517
I saw some japanese players land ultra from a single jab which is a 1f link so I assumed they were gods and reacted to the jab hitting but yeah i guess you are right you would have basically bet on the jab hitting to even get the ultra out. Still though I dont know what youre talking about SA3 being hard to confirm, like I said I think its a lot easier to confirm on a controller because I feel like you can buffer the input way faster than whats possible on a stick

>>11869704
Part of the problem was the game didn't get a home port until the Dreamcast and wasn't on a widely-adopted home console until 2004 for the 15 year anniversary collection, a whopping 7 years after it debuted in arcades. Most console players were playing the Alpha and EX games in the interim.

>>11872518
>im not lying
yes you are.

>>11872524
>I assumed they were able to react to seeing the hit animation in 17 milliseconds
you are retarded.

>>11872518
>>11872524
I like how this giy ran away from the thread when he got exposed as a know-nothing shitter

>>11872442
>>11872459
Obvious wounded faggot is obvious. Keep telling me about how your accessibility option beginner character is so hard to play while you don't even know how to do a basic confirm lmao

>>11872442
>you're legit bragging about taking 2 days to master one of the most bitch-basic cancels in any Street Fighter game, ever.
I'm not bragging, you retard, that's the fucking point. It's a basic confirm that every d rank faggot Ken knows how to fucking do, that you're claiming is impossible because you want to lie to yourself about your automatic win button being hard to push. I could get that confirm, without even thinking about it, after a couple hours of basic play, itself probably 10 minutes after I learned what a hit confirm even was. I had it as muscle memory pretty much immediately. It's not a brag, it's a universal experience for everyone other than overgrown toddlers like you that still play Ken and use mental gymnastics to try and prove that he's honest or decent rather than one of the most egregious characters ever put in a fighting game. Jesus, it's like explaining shit to a fucking six year old.

As a veteran 3s player I admit the game has plenty of flaws, and balance is the most obvious of them, but if one thing is true about most people that complain and shit talk the game so much because of balance, is that they never made it to a level where balance actually made a difference.

Most of the posters you see on 4chan talking shit about 3s balance would never make it to even rank B on fightcade. They never played against a Chun-Li that actually knew what she was doing, they never learned basic option-selects and they quit the game early.

This was true 10 years ago, it's true now and will be true in 10 years.

>>11871274
Cope

>>11872749
>a basic confirm
low forward shippu is not a basic confirm
single button hit confirms in general are not basic
I don't think you know what confirm means. It doesn't mean combo. It means visually confirming the hit and only canceling into super once you do.
the window to cancel low forward into super is tight - as in, the limit of peak human reaction time to a complex stimulus tight.
forgive me but everyone in this thread who says they can do it easily is simply lying.

>>11872762
>a basic confirm that every d rank faggot Ken knows how to fucking do
D rank Ken's are absolutely not hit confirming low forward into super.
you are proving that you dont know what a hit confirm is.

>>11872749
All this screenshot does is prove >>11872379 right. At least four separate anons in this thread don't know the difference between a combo and a hit-confirm, and they're all ignorantly shouting down the one anon who does. This board is fucking dogshit, lol

>>11869452 (OP)
Where do you guys think Street Fighter and Capcom by extension would be at if SF3 stayed as a non-SF title? Just this grungy one-and-done game with a cast of rotoscoped weirdo freaks. What's that butterfly effect look like, you reckon?

>>11873450
it would have been left behind just like Darkstalkers, Rival Schools, and Red Earth

>>11873450
like >>11873457 said it would have flopped and been left to rot as an IP
Capcom's trajectory probably stays the same and they probably still release SF4 eventually but without Evo Moment 37, competitive FGs probably never reach even the meager heights they do now

Holy fuck, so many retards in this thread.
No you are not hit-confirming Ken's low forward into SA3. Low forward has only 13 cancelable frames, which is the edge of what's confirmable in the first place. When you account for screen draw and input lag, it's more like 10 frames. Worse on emulator. Even worse in an online match.
10 frames is already 167 ms, you are not pulling that shit off. There's a reason people use cr. lk cr. lk as a confirmable low chain into super.
>buh-buh-but I can do 167 ms on a reaction time tester online
reacting to big red block becoming big green block is far, far easier than parsing hit vs. block and turning this into a decision to press or not press the button to perform super.
Most of you retards clearly don't even know what a hit-confirm is. Especially the dumbass who said D ranks can do it. D ranks are ultra ass at the game, they are not hit-confirming shit for the most part, much less one of the tightest in the game.

>>11872347
You literally just proved his point, dumbass. You just said, "Alpha 3 was well loved" and it didn't even sell more than a million units, which was a far cry from what the series initially sold with Street Fighter 2's release, on top of the fact that around 35% of those Alpha 3 sales came exclusively from Japan.

Compare this with other fighting games of the time. Even Mortal Kombat Trilogy, which was a compilation slop release, sold over twice as many units. Even Soul Calibur sold more units on the Dreamcast, which is pretty fucking sad. And the truly sad thing about all of this? Those 1 million unit sales for Alpha 3 were an exception to the norm by that point, a peak of the franchise since SF2, while not even comparable to games like Smash, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, or even the WWF series which was outselling them at that point. They went from #1 to not even being in the top 5. There is no fucking way in hell you can argue that they hadn't fallen off by that point.

>>11873647
the point is that updating SF2 isn't what caused them to fall off, despite what every youtube-informed zoomer wants to think.

>>11873647
>didn't even sell more than a million units
>screenshot literally shows that it sold over a million across PS1 and Dreamcast
>also that it sold more than Alpha/Zero 2
nigga you are retarded

>>11873672
>despite what every youtube-informed zoomer wants to think.
I only watch Mortal Kombat youtube videos.

>the point is that updating SF2 isn't what caused them to fall off
>updating
Them re-releasing the same game while only adding a new stage and 1 or 2 new characters with each "update" and charging full price is what killed the interest in the series. Street Fighter wouldn't break 1 million units again until Street Fighter 4, and only being able to achieve 1 million units on a single title in the span of almost 15 years is pretty fucking atrocious. It didn't really matter how "good" the quality of the games were, when they were releasing slightly updated versions and compilation releases every single year, often times multiple times a year.

>>11873690
>re-releasing the same game while only adding a new stage and 1 or 2 new characters with each "update"
yeah, this never happened.
you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>11873675
>I-I-I-IT DID SELL MORE, SEE!
>points to a bifurcated release
>in which it only sold an extra 120 thousand anyway
Fucking retard.

>>11873697
>HURRRRR, YOU DUN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECUZ I DUN LIKE WHAT UR SAYIN

Street Fighter II: Champion Edition
>slight balance changes
>a few more moves
>playable bosses

Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting
>a few special moves for a few characters
>mostly a balance shift with increased game speed
>palettes added for costumes

Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers
>updated sprites
>4 new characters

Super Street Fighter II Turbo
>Super Meter introduced
>added super combos
>Akuma
>another broad rebalancing

So it seems YOU don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Had they taken ALL of those changes and put them into a single release and dropped it in 1995, then more people would have bought it. But no, they decided to milk sales.

>>11873724
>WELL YEAH I WAS WRONG BUT IT DOESNT COUNT
lmfao
>explains in detail how each new release was not "the same game with a new stage and 1-2 new characters"
>acts like he won the argument by disproving his own claim
lmfao nigga you are retarded.

>>11873735
>WELL YEA I WAS WRONG
No, I wasn't. Its initial worldwide release saw sales of 1 million units. I was 100% correct. If you count later releases of the game, then its sales increase, slightly. In case, we can also add in the later releases of other titles I mentioned, which further increases them and keeps the disparity the same.

Dumb dipshit.

>>11873740
>No, I wasn't.
yes you were lol. your exact words were:
>>11873647
>it didn't even sell more than a million units
and it clearly did sell more than a million units.
you were 100% wrong. don't be a faggot lmfao

>>11873647
>it didn't even sell more than a million units
>screenshot shows over a million sold

>>11873724
>same game with one new stage and 1-2 new characters
>proceeds to detail how this was never once the actual case

>>11871271
Let's see YOU playing at the level you're talking about.

>>11873935
just look up top 8 at basically any major that ran 3rd strike in the last year and there's a good chance I'm in it.
>dox yourself
no.

>>11873935
Air parry mix-ups on jump-ins are not even high level, I deal with them all the time and I'm only a C ranks on fightcade fighting mostly other C ranks.

>>11871271
The parry in this game actually gives low tier characters a chance to win. If you are really good at parrying, you can win with every character.

>>11874132
yeah, that's what people who don't actually play 3rd Strike love to say.

>>11874132
until you run into someone who is equally good at parrying, and then if they pick Chun and you pick Q, you lose at character select
this argument is so retarded. most of you aren't playing at the level where tiers matter anyway, but for the players who are, parry isn't some magic equalizer that makes low tiers viable. There's a reason Yun, Chun, and Ken dominate top 8s worldwide whenever strong players gather.
>but Hayao with Hugo at Evo last year-
nigga you ain't Hayao.

>>11872223
crush kill destroy man

>>11872394
sf6 is gay and not retro

>>11873547
damn btfo. it's telling that nobody had anything to say back to this

He meant he was badass.

>>11872376
The fuck? Ryu embodies denjin shenanigans.

>>11872379
I know you were just joking around but it actually was Tuesday when you posted that

>>11875785

>>11872347
Nobody cared about alpha 3 in the west, people stuck with Alpha 2 or ST.

>>11872368
>by 3rd Strike players and by people who watch Max Dood but don't actually play fighting games. nobody else gives a fuck.
People care less about A1-A3 than they care about 3S, it's time to move with the times grandpa.

>>11875830
most of the people who say that 3S (or MvC2 or CvS2 for that matter) is the greatest FG of all time have barely played it
this is so well known it's a meme. "Earthbound fan excited to play for the first time" shit.

>>11875836
This also goes to every other figher outside of ST.

>>11875837
no lies there, but I rarely hear normies praising anything outside the 3 I mentioned.

This thread reminded me of this image.

>>11875845
Sadly this is a very common mentality for 3rd Strike
It leads to shit like this thread, where obvious know-nothings argue with statements which are accepted as basic facts among actual players
The concerning thing is that the know-nothings are in considerable majority around here.

>>11876037
t. no-nothing

Fighting games are always unbalanced as shit anyway. Taking these games seriously is pretty stupid.

>>11876057
you are a know-nothing. almost by admission. merely by being in this thread you are actively shitting it up.

>>11873690
>>11873724
Lol you retard. There were only 5 ARCADE versions. Consumers didn't even have to buy arcade Street Fighter once.
The biggest amount of SF2 versions in a single console is three on SNES.

>>11873724
>Had they taken ALL of those changes and put them into a single release and dropped it in 1995
Are you fucking stupid? There would be no Super Turbo, exactly as it came out, without feedback from the previous versions. There would have been no SF craze if, whatever this hypothetical game was, came out in 1995.

>>11876276
typical zoomer shit. they believe whatever their youtubers tell them and repeat it like stone cold fact