Thread 11876025

What the fuck were they thinking when deciding to have one of the coolest characters getting killed off in the first game?

Kojima wasn't planning on making more sequels initially. Also imagine being outraged at a villain dying.

but he lives on through this arm

>>11876051
The game has a huge ass sequel hook at the end
If any game was ever intended to have a sequel from the get go it was this one.

>>11876056
That shit was so goddamn stupid

They gave him like 4 deaths.

>>11876073
Not really. More like a last-minute plot twist than a set-up for a sequel. Besides, MGS2 pretty much tanked the first game's plot anyway.

>>11876126
The fuck is a "last minute plot twist"
They pretty much say THERE IS ANOTHER VILLAIN, LOOK FORWARD TO HIM IN THE SEQUEL
It can't be more in your face.
>Besides, MGS2 pretty much tanked the first game's plot anyway.
Irrelevant to this argument

>>11876131
And what did he do that was actually villainous? Last I checked, he was the one who cancelled the bombing on the base.

As respectable as it is to avoid milking a franchise, I always felt like there was never enough MGS. The stealth gameplay style of the first two games is really fun, but there's barely any of it, and it's always being interrupted by action and cutscenes. I would've gladly played several more games just in that style, and a couple more in the style of MGS3.

>>11876143
*Hit the button too early, but Solidus only became the bad guy in 2. Before that, it wasn't clear what he had planned beyond getting REX's data and mopping up Liquid's crew.

>>11876143
Liquid Snake a good boi he dindu nuffin he jus tryin to get the remains of Big Boss

>>11876143
Bro
There is another fucking Snake, and the only villain who survived the game is in cahoots with him
But nah, Kojima didn't mean anything by this, his perfect vision was finalized, he just wanted to retired to a hut in alaska but woe is him he was forced at gunpoint to make a followup and make another billion dollars and become even more famous in the process, enabling him in the long run the creative freedom he has today, poor guy

>>11876146
Play TPP. It was made for those who wanted more sneaking and less plot.

>>11876025 (OP)
MGS1 is supposed to be a 80/90s movie and in all those the villian dies at the end.
See: Die Hard.

>>11876051
MGS2 development started before MGS1 came out in US

>>11876146
I guess the virtual missions are kinda their answer to that. No plot, just sneaking (or using gear)
MGS substance has a shit ton extra missions, I have fond memories of trying to get gold on all of them.

>(you) but blonde
>cool
you have low standards.

>>11876025 (OP)
>the first game
Fake fan

Solidus is cooler

>>11876079
it was stupider to make it be "uh Ocelot was just pretending!"

>>11876338
It's a great game but storywise everything about MGS2 except for a couple moments feels like filler, including its main villain. It feels like Ghost Babel (which isn't canon I know) and Portable Ops in terms of importance honestly

>>11876338
>it was stupider to make it be "uh Ocelot was just pretending!"
that was never the case, ocelot locked his "spirit" and let liquid control him and have fun

>>11876056
>>11876079
>>11876356
Kojima wanted Metal Gear games to be serious and sure there was some unintentionally comical stuff but I seriously don't know what he was thinking with that Liquid Ocelot shit. This is long running shonen tier writing, there's just no way he didn't realise how fucking hilariously dumb this was

>>11876368
Vulcan Raven.

>>11876368
He had just read 1984 and wanted to use the concept of doublethink in his plot.
That's his MO, his plots are dictated by whichever movies he had seen or books he had read and liked at the time.

The funniest shit about MGS1 has always been the FOXDIE virus

>>11876368
>Genetically modified antagonist loses his arm
>Arm transplanted to other guy
>Arm takes over him
How you can not think this is cool as fuck is beyond me.

>>11876408
NOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT'S BECAUSE OCELOT'S DAD WAS A GHOST AND HE DIDDLED SNAKE'S DAD WHILE HE WAS DEAD AND AND
God fucking damn it I hate that game

>>11876025 (OP)
Kojima is a freemason and therefore woke.
In the first game he mentions racism

Second game has gay suggestive scenes

third game he makes the strongest character in the whole series a woman who defects to the USSR

Kojima is a really bad guy. Of course, he's going to have the only blonde character die in the first game.

MGS5 literally had covid 19 propaganda in it "a virus that makes you want to go outside"

Death Stranding had tons of stuff mocking trump


The greatest will to create media comes from jealously. You're so angry at reality that you're willing to create a maze of code and graphics to flip that reality upside-down.

>>11876356
Could have sworn it was some bull about Ocelot having his nanomachines convince him he was Liquid or that Liquid was possessing him

Deep down it’s kinda fun throwing down with an over-the-top obnoxiously British prick who is obviously overcompensating (as all right blokes do)

>>11876051
>Kojima wasn't planning on making more sequels initially.
u stupid

>>11876447
Where can we find your manifesto, and when’s your big day?

>I'm going to write a compelling, thematically appropriate end for my villain that you face in several life or death struggles instead of a sequel bait contrivance
>WTF WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? ARE YOU INSANE?!!
It's fine enough to think liquid had potential and they maybe could have justified using him again but fuck off if you think a single mainline entry isn't good enough to encapsulate a villain. mgs1's greatness is enough.

When did they kill off geralt?

>>11877039
Your post would make sense in a universe where Kojima didn't bring him back anyway in the form of an evil satanic arm because Liquid dying so soon was a retarded idea

>>11876408
>>11876338
>>11876079
>>11876056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmCEc8BmEQ
It's got this energy
but at least this movie owns it's stupidity
and it's got a prime Jessica Alba

>>11876617
>>11876356
Wasn't it brainwashing?

>>11876079
>major plot point literally spelled out to the player by Naomi during the credits of MGS1 was the impact of genes on one’s life, either living fully by their embrace or forging your own path
>Snake repeatedly breaks the chains of his genes throughout the series despite being roped continuously back into following them through stuff like FOXDIE, etc
>”b-but the idea of Liquid’s genes and nanomachines living on through sheer will is stupid!!”

>>11878043
nah, he just kinda disassociates. he even comes back to say "you're pretty good" at the end.

>>11876025 (OP)
they were concluding the game in which the villain dies at the end

>>11876025 (OP)
Cuckjumbo wanted to move on and do other things. But Konami put him in chains.

>>11876051
>wasn't planning on making more sequels initially.
Game end with a sequel hook. And they started work on MGS2 during MGS1 development. The super early version of it was shown in the Making of video and still used Snake from MGS1 as a model.

>>11878376
>Game end with a sequel hook.
So was MG2 planned as well? Retard!

>>11878403
>So was MG2 planned as well?
Yes. Stop believing anything kijimbo tells you.

>>11876025 (OP)
Liquid Snake is kind of a dork compared to Solidus and The Boss. He's got a goofy British accent and his entire motivation is centered on envy for Solid Snake that isn',t even warranted because he did in fact have all of Big Boss's dominant genes while Solid Snake was the throwaway and Ocelot knew didn't tell him because he was secretly working to gather intel for Solidus (who happened to be the president of the United States at the time).