Thread 11903152

Let us discuss the Shoot Them Up genre.
Post replays/scores, ask questions.
>TQ: What was your latest x-ALL and what are you currently working on?

What's the difference between Shoot 'Em Up and Shoot Them Up?
Also, what is x-all?

>>11903158
Shoot em up is japanese, shoot them up is American
A 1-all is like a 1cc, completing the first loop of a game on 1 credit. But for games with more loops, people will say things like 2-all to denote beating 2 loops, etc

>>11903158
Calling a shoot em up a Shopt Them Up is OPs poor attempt at irreverent humour. Sad!

>>11903185
I think it's cute, and I hope he continues to phrase it that way!

>>11903171
>shoot em up is japanese
Baka!!!!!

>>11903158
>x-all
x =the number of loops you beat of a game on a single coin

>>11903171
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>>11903185
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>>11903238
x

Where is the plaza bunker? Jhengcord? FFZ? Tired of these fucking normoid discords.

Posting in blessed thread.

>>11903152 (OP)
>/shmupg/
You might want to remove that from OP to not attract the old vg gang or discorders.

Finally made it to the endboss in Ikaruga double play with both ships. Stage 3 is really hard with it.

Give me your best 3 games from each STG developer.

I knew the rank felt a bit too high on my practice stuff, but holy shit how did things get so out of hand? Anyway, have the daily batrider clip
https://streamable.com/zycrwo
That was so fucking close. In an actual run I will probably only have like 50% rank tho, since I plan to fucking kill myself and only play the last stage on full extends.

>>11903152 (OP)
>/shmupg/
>g
Oh well, i'll give it a pass
>>TQ: What was your latest x-ALL and what are you currently working on?
I've cleared the first loop of Hishou Zame and died at 2-2, I might get back to that game, it was fun. Not working on something important at the moment, just savestate practice some CAVE games on and off.
Here's some clips
https://streamable.com/rhqd77
https://streamable.com/r7jc8t

Would be a nice suggestion to attach useful links for shmup rompacks with MAME and freeware shmups?

Section Z has been fun lately

>>11903152 (OP)
>Let us discuss the Shoot Them Up genre.
Why are your kind so obsessed with it?

>>11904370
It's the only genre which isn't cringe. Challenging games with cute girls, cool machines and good music. What more do you want?

Have you played her game yet?

>>11904602
qt, what game?

>>11904621
Twinkle Star Sprites, the original VS shmup.

>>11904015
>Konami
Sexy Parodius
Gradius V
Gradius Gaiden
>Raizing
Battle Garegga
Great Mahou Daisakusen
Battle Bakraid
>CAVE
Dodonpachi DaiOuJou
Ketsui Kizuna Jigoku Tachi
Mushihimesama
>Psikyo
Strikers 1945 II
Gunbird 2
Dragon Blaze
>Success
Psyvariar 2
Cotton Boomerang
Cotton Rock n' roll
>Hudson (+ Kaneko)
Soldier Blade
Super Star Soldier
Star Parodier
>Taito
Darius Gaiden
G-Darius
RayStorm

>>11904624
are VS shmups even worth playing alone?

>>11904860
The mechanics are still there.
With TSS usually people change the difficulty setting to level8 because it does make the AI much more resilient after the first stages.

>>11904015
>Cave
DoDonPachi DaiOuJou
ESP Ra.De.
Progear
>Capcom
U.N. Squadron
19XX The War Against Destiny
Forgotten Worlds
>Psikyo
Strikers 1945 2
Gunbird 2
Dragon Blaze
>Raizing
Battle Garegga
Armed Police Batrider
1944 The Loop Master
>Seibu Kaihatsu
Raiden Fighters
Raiden Fighters 2
Raiden Fighters Jet
>Taito
Ray force
Ray storm
G-Darius
>Takumi
Giga Wing
Giga Wing 2
Mars Matrix
>Toaplan
Batsugun
Out Zone
Hishouzame

DOJ mentioned

>>11904923
No fucking way, Shotia slug

>>11904957
Poor japs are still traumatized by trying to clear the original DOJ with Shotia.

HEAVEN IS HERE INSIDE MY SOUL

Really wished I had a better control method for Ikaruga double play. It's actually really fun, but doing it on a steam deck with analogue sticks is a pain. Well, at least it has the back buttons, they are definitely helpful.

I even tried mapping the directional input for player 2 on the face buttons. Sin & Punishment 1 has a control method like this, but I couldn't handle it at all.

>>11903871

Amazing soundtrack.

I"ve cleared an Ikaruga double play run. I always wanted to do this. sadly my P1 ship died at the TLB and I didn"t get the cheevo with only P2. I actually need to practice this boss. it also was a real double play, not one of these fake ones where they just put 1 ship to the side and do everything with the other.

>>11905208
Congratulations. An anon that actually plays Ikaruga, Jesuschrist

>>11905214
Thank you! I feel like I'm training a part of my brain with this which usually doesn't get any stimulation.

>memoslop: the genre
lol
also >>>/vg/

>>11904378
>What more do you want?
I actually want less. Less tackle. Everywhere.

>11905736
This anon wouldn't even see Death in TSS

Another daily fuck up at Discharge.
This time I played the rank game well at least, not even half of the bar, I had a really ez stage 7 but a very unfortunate mistake at the first phase of the final boss, forcing me to do the entire second phase on the last life.
Oh well, at this point all that's left is running until I actually kill the big fucker.

>>11906193
Good job. I always died at the boss after the highway stage. Do you have to medal all the way through in this game to clear it?

>>11906456
Not really, you can play the final stage and boss no matter what happens, but if you also want to fight secret bosses you need to pick certain characters and do stage-specific stuff. Medal chaining is entirely optional but I do try when possible since I need to score for extends. Ideally I should be at 6m before the final boss if I want to fight it at low rank and full lives.

It's not exactly a very difficult game, it has one bullshit final boss though and he can take your entire credit if the RNG says so.

>>11905736
>memo
I just credit feed until I get bored and move on to a different game

>>11906463
So the rank is not as punishing as in Garegga?

>>11906490
It's better here but it has this weird thing where you have to go in service mode before doing runs, otherwise the rank bar starts at twice as much min rank(the dark red section in the pic) and you can't go below it. Other than that, the most important trick seems to be to avoid extends unless you are on your last life for most of the game. Getting the extend item at full lives especially will add a shitton of rank despite not giving you the extra life, since you are limited to 3 at all times.

>>11906456
>I always died at the boss after the highway stage
You can choose the boss you get there btw.
imo the easiest is the yellow one "Blunt", use stage edit and select Sky high as the second stage to get him. Depending on how you are doing though, you might have to fight more bosses. It's good idea to reach the end of Highway at full bombs and low rank.

>>11906553
Thanks, I might still give this game a try. I really like the music in it. It's somehow pure nostalgia for me and reminds me of old cartoons and anime or something.

>>11906564
Same. So far my favorite stage BGM is actually highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58SJoTVnhU
Also like the final stage and final boss themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugDW4CYW0xY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_JhcCtytRE
And this, but I never got this boss still because you need to include some characters in your team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olZ8omRKJJA
Might do it on a second run since they are strong ones either way, for now I will just try to claim with Maria and her massive wide shot along with really fucking fast ship

How about if in each thread the OP selects 1 to 3 arcade shmups and we play and send our progress of those games here?
That's in order to make the activity in these threads more dynamic.

If you guys want to give it a shot, I can choose the three shmups
>Dangun Feveron
>Raiden Fighters II
>Salamander/Life Force US
It is not necessary to play all of them, choose the ones you're comfortable with

>>11907108
I could play some Salamander, but I doubt there are enough people here who actually play shmups. Maybe it would be 2 people who play these games then. It's worth a try tho.

>>11907135
The people who are playing them are probably busy 1cc'ing and scoring their own stuff, the idea is cute but it's paradoxically aimed more at who isn't playing.

>>11907108
I'll give Feveron a go, as I have never played it before. I am wagecucking pretty relentlessly until the weekend, so I guess I'll give it a crack on Saturday or Sunday night.

>>11907135
>doubt there are many people here actually playing shmups
I dunno, the last couple of threads were pretty successful and I'd say the majority of the posters seemed to be actively playing games in the genre, even if they were just credit-feeding.

>& arcade
Cool. I want to try and clear Golden Axe but I don't know if I will play the actual arcade release because the Mega Drive version has extra content, but looks and sounds like ass compared to the arcade version. And from what I have read, is also much easier.

>>11905736
even if youre just credit-feeding, a lot of the time the music is sick af
t. doesnt play that many shmups

>>11907160
Just clear them both if the extra content is worth it.

>>11907230
>Chris Huelsbeck OST
Damn, now I really have to buy this game for the old Turrican days sake of.

>>11903871
>stage 1 theme is kino
>stage 5 theme repeats it
cinema

>>11907428
DOJ did it too, albeit more subtly

>>11907428
Ikaruga did it too. It's called leitmotif

There are literally no shmup streams anymore. Even Aquas seems to have stopped streaming. Being a shmup bro is a lonely existence.

>>11907676
Don't make me unironically consider streaming random shit just to fill the void

>>11907705
Do it. Now is your chance to become famous by filling in a niche.

>>11907757
Or find out why shmup streams died I guess

>>11907676
STGs are hard to stream since you either pay attention to the game or the chat.

Also finally beat the first set of rounds in Black Tiger and killed the dragon. Now it's forward march. Pretty damn fun game. I like it much more than Magic Sword.

>>11907792
>STGs are hard to stream since you either pay attention to the game or the chat.
I don't even think that's the reason nobody watches. The games are just not popular. Modern gamers just want their RPGs, Call of Duties and Nintendo shit.

Shmups always only have a handful of dedicated players. For most people these games are either just pure autism or credit munchers, which is sad, because these games are actually so good and fun to play. You just need a bit of patience for them and be able to deal with their somewhat repetitive gameplay.

>>11903152 (OP)
Has anyone ever played Stahlfeder?

>>11907836
Looks like kusoge. I've played a similar shmup before but I forgot its name.

>>11903152 (OP)
>/shmupg/ dead af on /vg/ but lives in /vr/
makes sense

>>11908007
It raised out of the ashes like a phoenix only because I started to post here (unironically). I was one of the few main forces which kept shmupg alive back then. Now I'm back.

>>11907825
Obnoxious shit like this is why people move on from this meme genre

Is it true that the Switch is top tier for shmups?

>>11908243
What is even your problem? Was the problem that I said Nintendo shit? I like Nintendo myself, just think they are overrated. Or was I sounding too preachy? I really don't know what you mean.

>>11908245
Apparently it always ads a frame of input lag compared to ps4. Still pretty cool to easily play shmups in tate on a handheld with the joycons tho. It also has (or had?) some nice collectors editions.

I just play on steam deck instead. There I also can emulate games.

>>11908245
It has games but you have to deal with the fact that even the best ports have lag

Oh also, on the topic of Switch, if yours is hacked you should definitely install RetroArch. A lot of shmups can be played that way

>>11908248
Being an obnoxious retard is annoying yes

>>11908576
Anon is right though.
Shmups are indeed not popular and the average gaymer will tell you arcade-style games are just bullshit quarter munchers, and if he's aware of people doing 1ccs he will think it takes an incredible amount of autistic dedication and perfect play.

Salamander 2 was released, but LifeForce 2 was not. Salamander 3 will be released without any explanation. I understand that it is probably for brand consistency.

And, although this is completely unrelated, I will post a “Symphony Life Force Medley” created by someone I follow on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgOjzXy2yVU

Yagawa please learn how to highlight these bullets. It's the 3rd run in a row I suddenly die to the stage 6 boss because I didn't see the small purple balls in time.
Oh well, no batrider progress today.

I mean these by the way.
It's also because my shot is the same color and it keeps hiding them.

>>11904898
aha, il kee that in mind.

>All Darius games on sale for Switch
Worth? This is the only fish pic I have on hand.

>>11909229
Honestly I'd only dip in for the Cosmic Arcade Collection.

>>11909229
How's the fish AI in Darius?

>>11908245
Lot of cool ports, but as others have said they are usually laggy. If you're not going to just emulate the games, and aren't going for insane scores where you absolutely need as little lag as possible, you could do worse than it. If you've got a Switch 1 and are interested in handheld play, get a FlipGrip which allows tate play.

>>11909229
Horis are pretty comfy on Switch. Played through both R-Types recently on it.

Guys, I was doing some calculation to see if the myth of quarter muncher is real.
tell me what you think about it and If I am missing something.

SNES 199,99$
Average game price 60 $
Super Mario World 7.5 h
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 17.5 h
Super Metroid 8.5 h
Donkey Kong Country 5.5 h
Super Castlevania IV 4.5 h
Total cost 500
Total gaming time 43.5 h

Cost 11.49 $/h

N64 199,99$
Average game price 60 $

Super Mario 64 18.5 h
Mario Kart 64 5 h
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 25 h
GoldenEye 007 13.5 h
Super Smash Bros. 13 h
Total cost 500 $
Total gaming time 75 h

Cost 6.67 $/h

PS1 299,99$
Average game price 60 $

Final Fantasy VII 38.5 h
Final Fantasy VIII 40.5 h
Metal Gear Solid 11 h
Gran Turismo 36 h
Resident Evil 2 6.5 h
Total cost 600 $
Total gaming time 132.5 h of gaming
cost 4.53 $/h

Average game time by game is 15 hours. (it would be more accurate a median average around action games only but whatever)

Arcade 1 credit is 1/4$
an average gaming session of an arcade gaming is 5 minutes for 1 credit.
so 12 credits/h
cost 3$/h (most games are 30 to 45mins long)

Even if you credit feeding like 50 credits, it will cost you 12,50$ for at least 4 hours of gaming.
Even if you put 3 credits by stage for final fight (which is hard arcade game with 50/60mins long runs) that's will cost you 4.5 $/h

Now 1CC and compitive games :

Arcade 1CC lowest 10h of training
price to 1CC 37,50$ which is half the average price and gametime of 1 game


Average 1CC is 30h of training
cost 112,50$ which is equal the price and gamingtime of 2 games.

Longest is +80h of training
price to 1CC 300,00$ which is the price and gametime for 5 games.

Of course this hold only for none-RPG games. and doing median averages would be more accurate.

I coin fed all arcade shmups I played.
I use save states on console shumps.
When avaliable, I play all my shmups on easy mode.

Did not read that giant post if I'm honest

>>11910059
As gamejew anon pointed out, consoles make more money than arcades. Arcades are designed to take your money, which of course they are, but they take money at a lesser rate than consoles per hour. Arcades may be quarter munchers but consoles are dollar guzzlers.

>>11909885
>Guys, I was doing some crazy
Many such crazies

>>11910341
>buy a $60 game once
>have more hours of enjoyment and fun than paying $30 for a 20 minute shmup that's completely shallow

>>11910059
They take your money with amazing replayability tho. That's how you make players put in more coins, by giving the game actual replayability and making it fun to play.

If they would just be pure quarter munchers, everyone would just put in 1 coin and then stop playing. Arcade games need to ride a careful balance between punishing difficulty and addicting gameplay and replayability. They can't just be hard, they also need to be fun. A quarter muncher is not fun, it's just hard.

>>11910424
>pay 60 bucks for a game you play through once and then move on to the next consumer slop
or
>pay 1 coin to play a 30 minute game with infinite replayability and actual game balance

>>11910641
Extreme dishonesty
I bought Bayonetta once in 2013 and have played it nonstop
I bought Stranger of Paradise last year and have hundreds of hours
All fun, engaging and challenging
But you'd need to actually love games to play them, not use I'M A LE HARDCORE ARCADE GAMER as a personality substitute

>>11910634
You don't want to waste your time with this:
>>11910629
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>>11910142
>>11910231
>>11909808
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>>11908770

>>11910652
lack of replayability in modern games is the reason why speedrunning exists. It's the reason why Souls game players always come up with silly self-imposed challenge runs.

Of course there are also exceptions of modern games which still have replayability, but in general devs don't really pay much attention to this anymore. They just want you to pay for their game once and then they won. Arcade devs couldn't do it like this. They always had to think about replayability.

>>11910424
>>11910652
>makes dishonest claim
>accuses others of dishonesty

You will henceforth be known as shmupschizo. How's it going shmupschizo?

(This post was deleted for extreme schizophrenia)

>>11910694
>>11910720
>t-they don't count!!!1111
As predicted
Your retarded argument doesn't even make sense
>no you see it's actually brilliant they keep making you pay for a game instead of paying for it once and its quality will allow you to keep replaying

>ask in the under defeat thread refutations against the common criticisms of shmups
>shmupfags reply by spamming trap porn
Shmupfags are literally retarded

>>11910767
I am the guy who posted the long ass post, jewing about cost by game hour.

of course the lack of ownership is the first thing you have to give up in arcade.
But if you ask me until the late 90's, arcade as a service where far better cost efficiant entertainement than owning a console.

High end technology, variety of games, for really cheap.
No untitelement by hardware, no console war bullshit. You pay 1/4 a dollar and you play.

RPG was a genre designed for the mass who are not good at arcade/Action game into the video games hobby. No need of reflex or skills.


With the 2nd half of the 5th generation consoles with arcade perfect ports (which cost you extention pack for saturn), a lot of additional contentn (additional characters in Darkstallkers, production IG doing CGI for Tekken 3, FMV endings) and arcade developer using PS1 motherboard as a base hardware (taito gnen, zn1/2) or even Sega with the STV.

additionally with the late 90 and early 2000, with rpg been on multiple cd's and shenmue paving the road for the cinematic genre.

With the Ressesion/ economical crisis/ Japanese Bubble burst and the technical jewing of developers, there was really no reason for the mass to spend more time in arcade.
Arcade developers made even more bad decission puting the money loss on the users, Increasing Credit cost to 1/2$ then 1$ and even 3$ to buy a card for you profil (outrun sp2, wagan, Initial D or even VF5).

Cave paved the way for the mania. they even begin selling to user and not professional.

Arcade was even before cable and now Streaming services, the first exemple of a great service economy collapsing by bad management decison and screwing the consumer.

Losing hurts.
Attachment to clearing causes suffering.
Freedom comes when you stop identifying with success/failure.
The path is playing with wisdom: effort + non-attachment.

>>11911130
That's loser talk. And if there is no personal involvement, you might as well not play any game at all. If a game isn't making you feel anything then it's failing its purpose.

Bomba~
SHINUGAYOI

>>11910694
>lack of replayability in modern games is the reason why speedrunning exists.
Incredibly retarded take. Speedrunning started on computer FPS games from the 90s.

>>11911130
Buddha-sama....

>>11911081
Beyond retarded post

>Habroxia 1 + 2
>Aqua Kitty Udx
>Astebreed
>Telenet Shoot Collection
>Jets'n'guns 2
>Project Starship X
>Cotton 100%+Panorama+Fantasy+Rainbow
>Stellar Interface
>Pawarumi
>OverDriven Evolution
>Ray'z arcade chronology
>X-Out: Resurfaced
>Darius (All of them)
What, if any, are worth getting on Switch 2?

>>11911081
>of course the lack of ownership is the first thing you have to give up in arcade.
Only if you're a retarded poorfag. Many gainfully employed grownups own arcade games.

>>11913409
Price of DOJ PCB is ~$1500.

An enthusiast plays it 20 hours a week.

For 1 year that's over 1000 hours of gameplay.

That's $1.5 per hour, for only the first year.

Arcade is an incredibly cheap hobby.

Someday I would like to buy exactly one pcb/cab, but I can't decide which game it should be. Realistically I will probably not find most of the ones I considered anyway, but if it's not one I plan to play for a long time it will feel like a massive waste

>>11913268
>on Switch 2
Not worth it over the original Switch for shmups currently, since you can install RetroArch on it.

Holy shit M2 port actually works on shadps4. Input lag is better than I expected, maybe like +1 or 2 frames over FBNeo? Still totally playable if you're okay with that.
TLB for esprade is a nice bonus, and I really like ketsui’s deathtiny mode.
No 1CC yet so here's a pic of my daughter instead.

Best way to play Metal Slug?

>>11913629
Always arcade emulation.

I made a savestate only to practice Discharge and I still can't kill it fuck.
Guess my plan will be to bomb the absolute fuck out the final phase and pray, all while doing some hardcore rank management to reduce his health.

>>11913629
FBN. Using a janky stick with a super loose lever to simulate the experience of playing the game at a random milkbar or video shop where their machine was always sticky to the touch and sometimes just flat out wouldn't work despite taking your money.

>download fbneo
>download best set from archive
>scan rom directory
>not found
What do?

what do we think about Earthion?
here are the SMD roms btw
https://archive.org/download/earthion-world-en-aftermarket

Mental game question: when you begin to rage do you usually stop playing or keep going?

>>11913862
I take a break of a few days to a week depending on rage levels
>inb4 who ever dares feel emotions at a game lol :^) le stoicism :^)

>>11913862
Depends. Is it making your focused or is it making you make more mistakes and becoming more frustrated? Obviously with the latter you stop playing the game, you're not at the right mental state. Play another game or do something else.

Earthion Genesis ROM extracted from the steam release. Anyone get out to run on 3ds? All I'm getting is a black screen.

>>11913862
I load up a save state on the stage/boss that made me lose and try to nmnb it at least 3 times before attempting a new run

>>11913862
I don't rage, dying in these games is expected.
That said, I usually try to get at least one decent run attempt in before quitting if my first ones die out too early. Rarely I do more serious attempts on the same day.

Unfortunately I Had to give up on shadps4 as input lag was driving me crazy, especially with how weird the player hitbox feels. Couldn't get keyboard to work right on it either. shame.

>>11913440
Stop stealing my trademark.
Cave games are for the retards while the PCB are for cuck dads collectors.

>>11913629
For training go for emulation, for scoring get the Arcade archives ACA Neo Geo version the scoring board is still active and you can also enjoy the caravan mode.
MVS is not expensive but setting a supergun is pain in the ass.
For a really fun port the saturn version is really nice and better than the PS1.

It's called a shooting-them-up

>>11908021
rad.

>>11905208
any tips of how to learn the chains?
or do I just beat the game and that's it?

>>11903185
I thought it was humorous and charming

I prefer overhead shooters I think. My eyes just work better that way

Been taking a little break from Ketsui (again) and have been getting back into ESP Ra.De. Maybe it's because I dove headfirst into the inferno but now it's feeling a lot more manageable and actually understanding the power shot stuff some more has been pretty damn helpful. Been able to get to Stage 5 a few times as well although I tend to keep dying before the midboss.

>attempt to get into SNK games after hearing how great they were
>play some
>drop them due to the immense slowdown
SNK is a total meme for posers right, like turd strike

>>11907836
QRD?

>>11915153
>be me
>stahl
>get hungry
>eat some food
>i am now the stahlfeeder

>>11915153
Nothing, it's PS1 import kusoge, but they're still fun. I like Two Tenkaku too (it's shitty) but apparently no one on this site has ever heard of it.

>>11913440
Price of a not retro tmup is you being taken seriously

Where's the nu ninja gaiden review mork

>>11915146
For something like TSS, you can try the ports.
Saturn and Dreamcast ones have different settings for the slowdown, including removing it altogether, but I sure hope you are ready to dodge at psikyo speeds in that case.

>>11915206
PS1 kusoge was kino

I thought you people only cared about gameplay and cutscenes are a modern cancer, but when asked how to skip them I get told cutscenes are awesome?
Can you dishonest arcadefags keep your fucking story straight lmao
>>11916129

>11916162
>starfox64
>arcade
Doesn't even deserve a (You).

So not only are cutscenes good but they're also better and more enjoyable than gameplay
/vr/ is a fucking joke

>>11916162
just play on emulator and use a button to make the game go at x8 speed?

>>11916279
He doesn't want solutions, he only wants to complain and "own the arcadefags". For a game that's not even arcade.

Rail shooters are fine to discuss ITT
Obviously StarFox isn't an arcade game but it is certainly shmup-adjacent enough

>>11916186
>>11916162
Who the fuck are you talking to?

>>11916595
It's talking to the voices in its head

>>11916289
He's some guy that just wants to hate older games. He always finds something to complain about and then brings up more modern games. Not only that, but let's an eceleb live rent free in his mind. Guess we're stuck with him. He probably made three of the threads on the catalog at least.

Gradius Origins review + more details on the Gradius 3 prototype and Salamander 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mBaTEjmVE

>>11913608
Where did you get these roms from, anon?

Alright so what do I 1cc if old shmups like Strikers and Fire Shark are boring but new shmups like DFK are too hard and insane

>>11917978
If being "bad" at the game is too much of an ego hit, then treat every stage as its own separate game

Being bad at the game is actually an advantage because it prolongs content and you get the enjoy the best games for even longer.

If obsessing over a single stage for weeks on end is too focused for you, play a different genre. This is literally 90% of the fun.

with my spaceships of red blue and green
you'll hear the crowd of ladies scream
WE WANT TRUXTOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

Howdy all, retard here!

How do I get the Garegga gadgets to work in retroarch?

>>11913608
Are you using a specific version of shadps4, or just whatever's latest? Always wanted to try Deathtiny

>>11906193
Is Maria the best general character? I've had the best success with her and Miyamoto, not sure though. They have nice spread shots.
Wondering if the Garegga guys are any good, but they feel a little slow.

>>11918448
Maria looks absolutely busted to me. The shot is wide, the options can hit nearly everywhere except behind her, and the ship's default speed allows you to macro everything. Miyamoto is similar enough, slightly less coverage but nothing that matters much, I considered using him first but Maria looked even better.
Yeah Garegga characters were mostly bad imo

Another one that looked particularly good was definitely Carpet, the shot is narrow but her options are just stupidly strong.

>>11918312
If you are talking about a patched rom, that goes into [retroarch folder]/system/[core folder]/patched. When you open retroarch, you have to load the VANILLA ROM, and it will automatically hotswap it with the one in the patched folder, don't open the patched one directly.

For something like the mame bezels, then you can copypaste mame files into system/mame, should require both plugins and artwork, I could get the batrider one to work even if it looks like ass compared to actual mame.

Ahem, fuck retroarch.

Is Akai Katana supposed to be this easy? Feel like I could achieve a clear after only a few more attempts with the first ship. The waifu cancels bullets like an absolute motherfucker. Is there a difficulty spike in the last stage or something?

>gadgets
You didn't beat the game.

>>11918339
I'm using official v0.10.0 with all sys modules installed.
Keep in mind there's some wonkiness like missing text in parts of the options menu.
Also you'll need to decrypt the ISO on older version if you haven't already.

I'm still trying.
Still walled by Discharge final phase, at least I'm doing more score despite missing the additional boss in stage 5 this time. I could push for 10m if I get lucky with medal chaining, and accept that I really need to bring all my extends at stage 7, even if it costs me more rank. I had two this time.

>>11918603
I dunno, depends on which version you're playing, there are like 6 at this point. Usually people say it's the easiest one but to me it's very hard, and I cleared guwang, dfk and futari so I don't know, I guess my brain cannot into horizontal STGs.
I always die to some stray bullet in the middle of the run and it's difficult to get the 2 extends without going full autismo into scoring. Then you compare it to stuff like Mushi, in which you can just chill back and relax and nearly always get the two extends on stage 3.

Honestly though, Yagawa is a douche.
https://streamable.com/ulr4m7
Wasn't going to win anyway but still, I would be assmad if I spent any money on this game.

Using auto-fire on shmups is acceptable but on other genres it's cheating and you can't change my mind

I 1cc’d Darius last night at my arcade, I feel like a champ

>>11918742
you are.

>>11918718
How do you use gadgets in MAME?

>>11918770
https://mega.nz/folder/PUgHDBLD#ENEP7FE2JL4fUrXDl_9C3Q/folder/qNhWDTIK
Drop the zip from the 0.4 folder in your mame/artwork folder. Do not extract it, but open it in the file explorer to read up instructions.
Despite what it says, it's compatible with all versions of batrider, but you need to rename it if you don't want to use it specifically for batriderj ROM

>>11918774
>Fuck Baf, fuck REZ, fuck YGW :)
>-- Olifante
Same tbqh

>>11918742
Grats. Now enjoy being addicted to that feeling for the rest of your lifetime and always coming back to shmups or arcade style games for more.

>>11918742
atta boy

>>11918737
>using auto fire in shmups isnt cheating
No shit, newfaggot.

These last few weeks of threads have been great. Just for the next OP, ditch the 'g' at the end.

Gunvein is actually quite hard. I went in expecting something breezy as it is a relatively new game, but the default arcade difficulty is actually going to require a bit of practice. Any tips?

>>11918827
I liked the latter 2024 /v/ threads more. Everyone looked so excited for some reason, there were many gameplay clips getting shared around, memes, cute girls and even watching each other trying to clear games or practice.

>>11918742
Nice.

Where do people go when they want to play VS shmups with other people anyway?
Fightcade? D*scord?

Maybe we should get a /vr/(+/v/?) spot somewhere.

>>11919543
Fightcade.

>>11919575
Not too fond of it, but it might be better than the alternative.

Well shit
https://www.timeextension.com/news/2025/08/rayforces-phantom-sequel-r-gear-just-got-a-standalone-release-in-japan
It's only one stage since it's a prototype. Don't even know why charge money for a cancelled game.

I hurt my back yesterday at the gym so am resting in bed today. Recommend me a hori to play on my bingbingwahoo while resting in bed.

>>11904015
>nuku nuku soft
Witch Girl

>>11918573
Alright, I think I can figure it out now, thank u kind anon

>>11903152 (OP)
has anyone got the correct deathsmiles ROM for retroachievements? can't find one with the right hash from the archive[.]org RA sets

>>11919904
Sengoku Blade. It's included in a Psikyo collection along with Gunbird

>psykio switch ports mentioned
angrymork.jpg

>>11920665
Eat shit Mork. I 1cc'd both Gunbird and Tengai there, the latter was my first 1cc on Switch even.

>>11919543
You might need both, fightcade to actually play, discord to announce matches.
There's only a maximum of 3 games channel you can be in for fightcade + you can't see messages from before you logged in so it's hard to schedule anything

Load Ran is a big qt

Anybody got any experience with a third party modern light gun?

reasons Mushihimesama (original) filters me

>the most boring first two stages in Caves history
>starting with a pea shooter
>getting clipped by something I don't see coming
>rotating power ups fuck me up
>skill deficiency

ngl I have easier time with DOJ WL

>>11921118
>>starting with a pea shooter
>>getting clipped by something I don't see coming
>>skill deficiency
These are in DOJ too.
But it does have linear powerups and the first two stages aren't that boring imo.

>>11921124
sniper bullets in Mushi are fast as fuck and enemies blend into the background a lot more

Only shmup I 1CC'd has been Espgaluda 2's Black Label Novice mode (on Switch port), technically cheesed a bit because I wiped at the killing blow for the boss, but the game gave me the win anyway, didn't know that was even considered.
What should I try to 1CC next?

>>11921149
SDOJ novice my dude.

>shit at shmups
>play hard bullet hells anyway because of the stimulation
anyone else?

>>11921626
It's cool, keep playing that aiming at doing more things with less mistakes and you will get gud

I can't play shmups atm because I have to move out. Maybe I will live in a boring shithole area, half village, half ghetto, but it's very near to a big beach area. Would you live there? Living near the beach sounds nice, but the area is otherwise depressing.

>>11921868
Incidentally, beach areas is where I played shmups the most as a kid, cause they had arcade machines.
I miss that so much holy shit, if I somehow end up finding one today I'm definitely playing the shit out of it until I achieve 1cc live.

>>11921626
yeah, anon, you are probably not the only one

>>11922029
I still remember how hard Ikaruga seemed to me at first. I think it took around 60-100 hours for me to 1cc it on normal mode. Nowadays it seems easy to me, but back then it was really hard.

The Ray games are hard as fuck to 1cc
I can only get to stage 5 or so in Rayforce before eating shit

>>11922417
Games which require pointblanking are always too stressfull. It always adds an extra layer of memorization to the game.

Is there an arcade community in your city, bros? Mine used to have a large retro free-play joint but they only really had community nights for fighting game players and boomers who were into pac-man and donkey kong. There were quite a few decent shmups there and every so often there'd be a new high score on a machine or two but every other shmupfag who went there was a total mystery to me. I never once ran into anybody playing any kind of bullet hell, let alone bumped into the dudes who were setting the scores.

>>11921875
>beach areas
For me it was my local public swimming pool. There was a little cafe area out front and they have 4 or 5 machines. Used to play Metal Slug 2 there at least once or twice on my walk home from primary school.

>>11923403
>For me it was my local public swimming pool
That's cool too. I can't remember if local pools also had them but I'm 100% sure about the beaches because I remember some episodes related to it.

>>11923396
>Is there an arcade community in your city, bros?
There is an islamic jihadist community at best

/v/ is making fun of us

>>11923417
Do you care when a retarded baby says something bad about you?
Me neither.

Is it considered 'poor form' in arcade racers to play using automatic transmission? Or is this a similar argument to using auto-fire in shmups where nobody gives a fuck?

>>11923430
It’s not like you can hide it
Shmups don’t categorize score by auto or not like something like Virtua Racing, which has times for AT and Manual I think
Personally I think it depends on the racer
VR is so simple that playing AT feels almost brainless, manual and turning are really all there is to the game

>>11922029
when people say 1cc i knew it meant 1 credit clear, but i thought it autisticly meant without losing a life as well to actually count and earn you your autist award of 1cc.

seems i have 1cc'd a lot of games without realising.

>>11923928
That's no miss

>>11923937
>That's no miss
It's ma'am

I was trying to read this whole thread but it's kind of long and I have to go to sleep but you guys are saying that it's lonely being a shmup player these days but you guys can get on fightcade and play shmups with random ass people and since you're here maybe you can find your partner in this thread. A few days ago I got my ass kicked in Twinkle Star Sprites by some random Japaneses. Any tips?

>>11923430
first play what is fun for you, but know that it is easier to get faster times using MT. Some cars even have max speed lower on AT in some games.

>>11923628
They absolutly do specially today.
All ACA score for exemple inclure use of autofire in the scoreboard.

Even on older jpn wikis, diffculty ranks and score were noted by the use of autofire and even in some cases by the frequency of the autofire like on darius gaiden for exemple.

>>11925414
>Any tips?
TSS is a complex game when it comes down to it, so I can only give you general pointers:
>learn how to Perfect formations, you aren't supposed to be doing it all the time but take the chance while possible: it affects the speed of zakos and how early you get the orb
>minimize risk by dodging regular fireballs, only shoot the reversals, careful of chain explosions, it's better to dodge the zakos than giving your opponent a chance to boss attack(happens if 3 reversals gets chained at once)
>go for big dick chains while in fever, that's where it's fine to use chain explosions to hit fireballs because the opponent won't be able to easily reverse anything with their screen flooded by shit
>if you aren't sure about a dodge, bomb preventively, there's a delay between pressing B and iframes so if you wait too much you will get hit first
>don't stay on the bottom of the screen too much
>pointblanking bosses is a good idea if you can do it safely
>watch the opponent screen too, it will help a lot anticipating attacks
Also whether you want to play more offensively or focus on survival depends on which character you are playing. If you are picking somebody like Nanja then use the charge attack a lot and stall, but if you pick the fairies then spam the shit out your extras and go for quick kills.

>Gray Layer
...is Konami dunking on Taito, bros?

>>11925958
That's Jade Knight's original name.

Just a heads up: there are two bonus games hidden in Gradius Origins: Vs. Gradius (the arcade version of the NES port) and Salamander Remix (Salamander with Life Force's power up menu). Just input the Konami Code on both Gradius and Salamander at the main menu.

>>11925986
>Salamander AC to FC didn't make it
sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGHqx8eHzHg

>>11923937
is that what it is, im not familiar with all the terminology, i thought no miss meant you shot everything on screen with no misses, kind of like how you fail the special stages in ilvello if you dont shoot everything on screen.

>>11926084
It's cool, there are some online dictionaries or videos explaining common terms. Can be a good read since they also mention strategies used in these games, both for survival and scoring runs.

My arcade stick should arrive tomorrow. I upgraded from a generic optical stick used by the favela dwellers in my country to play King of Fighters to one with standard Sanwa parts.
I can't wait to get back to playing some shmups.

:)

My plan is to learn how to play Caladrius Blaze decently, since I get completely destroyed in that game, even though people say it's easy. Then I want to get the 1cc on Vasara 1, which is relatively easy (the last boss is a son of a bitch, though).

>>11904738
So what's the Deathsmiles drink?

>>11926176
Loli juice

>>11919543
For TSS, challenge everybody in hopes to get some games. Try and get acquainted with the regulars. There is a good couple Japanese enthusiast, and you'll get games if you catch them around. It takes one or two friends to get games with regularity.

In the case of stuff like PoFV... D*scprd is sadly all you have.

>>11926194
>Try and get acquainted with the regulars
That never goes well.

>>11904015
Cave
>Dodonpachi DOJ
>Deathsmiles
>Guwange

Treasure
>Ikaruga
>Radiant Silvergun
>Gradius 5

Irem
>R-Type 2
>R-Type Delta
>R-Type Final

Psikyo
>Gunbird 2
>Strikers 1945
>Strikers 1999

>>11914356
The way learn it was by just playing it a lot. And for the really hard chains you can use emulator with savestates.

I 1cc’d DOJ on mobile with touch controls

I'm probably becomign homeless soon. I am really good at gettign high scores in videogames, but I suck at getting money in real life.

>>11926732
Based. That's the definitive way to play it.

>>11904015
Cave
>DFK
>ESP RA.DE
>Akai Katana

What are some good retro horizontal STGs? Like what's their Donpachi equivalent or some other beginner recs?

>>11926831
Deathsmiles?

>>11926831
The entire Darius series is great. Start with Twin if you're a beginner.
I also have a soft spot for Fantasy Zone. Very unique with the lack of autoscrolling.

>>11926831
Gradius 4
Gradius Gaiden
Gradius 5
R-Type 2
R-Type Delta
R-Type Final
R-Type
R-Type Leo
Deathsmiles
Akai Katana
Progear
Trouble Witches (hidden gem)
Satazius

>>11926831
I don’t know, what kind of lube do you usually apply before getting fucked in the ass by your hung black bf?
>dude why?
Why what? Why are you so fucking fat? Eat less, tubby
Here’s a recommendation, piss head: Blazing Star
Like it? Good, I got more for you bitch boy
Darius (ALL)
Yeah?

I have never played a shmup before, where do I start?

>>11927121
The classic Neo Geo ones are a good place. Here's a good list you can look through.

https://www.retroheadz.com/retro-games/7-best-neo-geo-shmup-games/

Others in this thread has mentioned Twinkle Star Sprites. That's also a very good one, but that's primarily a 2 player game.

>>11927121
Start at the one you like. Also probably shouldn't start with a very difficult one.

>>11927121
Mushihimesama

>>11927121

Let me add to the other answers:

Your first focus should be to clear the first stage while taking minimal damage. Don't focus too hard on beating the game to begin with, just get through stage 1 without massive embarrassment.

>>11926831
Donpachi first loop is relatively easy but 2all difficulty skyrocket A LOT.
I would say it would be at the same difficulty as Strikers 1945 plus 2nd loop

Area 88 and U.S. Navy you will learn everything you need to learn from a shmup and it will become one of your favorite game or games.

Kaneko's Air buster should be also an amazing entry level shmup.

Darius Gaiden is fun but piss easy you will learn absolutly nothing from the game.
Progear is litteraly yoke donpachi.

Is it just a shmupfag, arcadefag or simply /vr/ problem that if you dare ask for advice or struggle with a game that its fans laud as difficult, you get snarky non-advice replies like "get good skill issue"

>>11927808
You have to be careful with asking for help everywhere. Most humans are dumb cunts.

>>11910653
aside from the bait i will respond here:
shmups are done with strats by how hard they are, these games even with the memo by small changes in the way the player moves and the rng of the game have totally different patterns even on a base route and in this they have extremely varied gameplay and fun.
shmups are learned because they are so hard that you cannot play them without doing a past strat by how excessive, complex and direct the strategy is, other games aren't memoed because most games don't ask to learn them and they are too easy so no one needs to learn positions to surpass stages, memo comes back in any game genre when difficulty increases which it happens in all genres, shmups do it often because they are the first genre with extremely good players which means that the games have to be much harder than the average game to entertain most shmuppers.
>>11910652
the thing is that shmups can be replayed by scoring and simply enjoying new routes or simply playing the same route, they are fun, engaging and challenging, the reason shmups aren't played is the difficulty and the lack of contact of most modern players to it by being an arcade genre which needs rehearsal and practice, other reasons don't add up because this happens to other game genres which add this into their difficulty, bayonetta for example has too easy execution even on s ranks and stranger paradise even if ok it's pretty flat in difficulty, the reason shmups aren't as popular is because they are old and had their own artistic language based around practice even if they last the same as any 8 hour game in game time to 1cc, something that in a genre coerced so that people only care about novelty instead of quality by not respecting the medium as art by media conglomerate coertion of the medium mixed with skinner box grooming by these same powers mixed with demoralization in the wide culture which tells people that they are unable causes people to not play shmups even if they are able.

>>11918737
in all arcade games isn't cheating because they where designed for cabs which had the turbo and even without it most of these games if they weren't shmups didn't needed autofire by fire rate not meaning much by timing being more important

>all lowercase non-player "durr only shmups and le arcade games are le hard"
That's not getting a (You)

>>11926169
unironically the favela stick was better than the sanwa, it's seimitsu or bust, you literally bought bootlegs seimitsus with shitty quality.

>>11927121
play gradius 1 pc engine/nes or slap fight md/arcade

is it wrong that i wish that the dodonpachi titles past daioujou actually had power up pickups as opposed to starting you off at full strength?
feel it would've given the game pacing as well as the gamefeel of getting stronger as you go along

>>11928073
Oh I see, Western games that give you low power and build you up are horrible awfully designed dogshit, but when a Japanese game does the exact same thing it's actually genius

>>11928085
never said that
tyrian's my favorite shmup

>>11928086
You might not have but many shmupfags and people that parrot posers like Mork do

How close do you play to the screen? When I'm playing on my computer monitor, I'm right in front of it and that leads me to playing better. I have a CRT TV and I like how it looks but the way the room is arranged I have to be sitting a room's length away from it and I don't end up playing as well. The monitor is the way to go but it's an LCD screen so the raw image of retro games don't look as good as on the CRT

>>11928073
you get fully powered up by stage 2, it doesnt mean anything at all
It just serves as an annoyance when you die

since theres no threads and no one seems to give a shit, the house of the dead 2 remake looks so fucking bad.
magicians design is the absolute low point.
>no red, glowing muscle that pulsates with the heartbeat in the background
>remove the tendrils that also pulsate with the heartbeat, making the heartbeat now pointless to include with the soundtrack
>the muscles just werent glowing because it looked cool, they were functional in showing his weak points
>no after-mirage as he flys through the air
>instead of having the camera always point upwards to emphasise his size and power and make him more intimidating, just frame him like a normal guy d00d
like holy fuck, the amount of plain downgrade in design and presentation is just crazy.
its like the person who made this for remake didnt understand any artistic intent behind the original at all.

>>11928085
No one is denying that it's shit
the point is that the level of power and the challenge have to be in accordance with each other
When you start out Gradius, everything dies in one hit. Same does NOT go for Tyrian.

>>11928086
>[game that isn't a shmup] is my favorite shmup
What did Anon mean by this.

>>11928085
>start you on low power and build you up
In Tyrian, this takes 15 years
In any Japanese shmup, you're well powered up by stage 2
Huge difference

>>11928471
Yep, straight up downgrade from any of the other ports, not to mention the arcade version itself. The only potentially redeeming feature would be gyro aiming and I've heard that it is dogshit. I wish there was a simpler way to play light gun games at home without forking out for a third-party gun.

>>11928476
>>11928474
>>11928473
>>11928470
>shmupfags still posting their retarded arguments after they got so thoroughly btfo that they started spamming tranny porn
lol!

Does Yoko Taro have good taste?

>>11928520
Fuck no.
Picking Ketsui Death Label over the arcade release is especially weird, the fuck?
That was offensive enough that I could almost overlook putting Ikaruga there.

>>11928483
im sure you could figure a way to setup using the mouse as a alternative to a light gun, it sucks but it'd still be better than the dogshit gyro aim present in both of the HOTD remakes.
the dreamcast and wii versions actually run better and look better than this modern version, god damn.

>>11928526
It's clearly by console and there is no arcade-accurate Ketsui port on the DS

>>11928609
Fair enough for Ket if that's the case, but still very shitty taste.

>>11928526
>>11928620
>filtered by based Taro
He actually loves games, as do the people that like his work, unlike you Electric Underground cocksucking posers that don't play

>>11928625
>random e-celeb who mention out of nowhere
>>>/v/ is down the hall and to the left.

>>11928634
Don't feed, he is very clearly begging for (You)s and just replying to whatever in hopes somebody will take the bait.

Just smashed my arcade stick against the brick wall out back of my house

>>11927808
What did you want to ask?

>>11927121
Pick the Cave game you like the look of the most, and play it on Novice mode until you can clear it. Then do it again on the arcade/default difficulty.

>>11928964
Why

>>11928967
Stop feeding. It's the same guy saying the same shit every single time.

>>11928973
Don't tell me what to do.

>>11928976
I will because nobody wants the thread to be the same retards getting into the same arguments.

>>11928980
Yeah it's frustrating seeing shmupfags get btfo and mindbroken so fucking hate they literally spammed tranny porn and pretended they're hardcore

>>11928620
"Shitty taste"
Can you explain why or do is this Autismese for "i dont like the same games as him"?

>>11929152
Are you trying to imply taste is objective?

>>11928520
Based

>>11929161
That is what im trying to ask you big gu- i mean girl

>>11927994
I don't believe you, anon.
And the generic lever I was using wasn't really bad, but it requires maintenance all the time. After 4 months I had to open it and grease it, and after another 4 months, I'm already feeling the lever "scraping" on the parts inside, which creates a very unpleasant feeling.
I've been told that Sanwa parts are considerably more durable and require much less maintenance.

>spring is the dawn
>sesame seeds
>zukoro
>zuizui
I don't get it.

>>11926726
I more or less understood the chains in the first two stages but three was too chaotic, it doesn't feel like there's a path that lets me shoot everything without missing the chains like the two previous ones, then 4 I just don't see it at all
5 is actually very easy at least tp survive

>>11929312
sanwa is equally durable than the favela lever new but has issues in feeling and quality, seimitsu is the real arcade stick lever with the metal tongues and the design of what real japanese arcades had in the 80s and 90s before sanwa separating from seimitsu as a manufacturer, making shit levers sold to the fgc by making people falsely think that it was the original lever to then with this false publicity sell trash, unironically change to a seimitsu lever if you are able to cancel the order, the people telling you otherwise are people accustomed to shit or sanwa themselves lying.
seimitsu is sturdier, more precise and has better quality for a lower price point, there isn't any reason to have a sanwa.
>>11928520
needs more toa and konami, too much console ports too.

>>11929513
Now it's too late, the controller is already on its way to my house. Later on, I'll see if the guy works with Seimitsu with those metal clips around the microswitches. If he does, I'll have him make another one.

>>11929524
ok, don't worry, sanwa is good enough and you can still enjoy it, just don't repeat the same mistake.

>>11929530
you can change the lever later too, you can make sanwa mods to unshit it as well.

Batsugun Japanese definition: outstanding; excellent; exceptional; distinguished; unrivaled; surpassing (e.g. beauty); beyond compare

Seems like kind of an arrogant thing to call your game.

>>11929502
Yea, stage 3 and 4 is where you really need to grind stage practice to get a decent chain in them. They are also fun to practice tho.

I don't have the atience for games anymore. The only thing in life that matters is money, power and fame. Everything else is irrelevant.

>>11929967
Whatever you say, Andrew Tate.

Anon was right, the Sanwa isn't particularly much better than the Favela Stick I was using.
I think my performance has even gotten worse because I was used to octagonal restrictors and now I have to get used to square ones.
The notable advantage for me is that the microswitches provide much better feedback. Optical levers aren't terrible, but I prefer when you feel like you've triggered one of the directions.
Now back to shmups. I'll start with Vasara 1 and play until I can completely destroy that game.

>>11930040
You don't have to be Andrew Tate to realize how society functions. It's all a fake circus show. In the end noone gives a shit about you, unless you have money, power and fame. Especially women work this way.

>>11929967
>>11930201
And that's why you're posting on /vr/ in the middle of the day when you should be in the constant pursuit of money, power, and fame?

>>11930220
I grew up poor. Most people who grow up poor also stay poor. I never really had parents, no family. But being poor also made me realize that society is all about power and social status. You probably already have money, that's why you don't realize how important it actually is.

>>11930259
Why are you getting into this crap in a thread about fucking shmups on /vr/? Is this the best attempt you can make at getting attention? Are you a teenager?

>>11930269
Because shmups are the most senseless form of videogame playing. They feel like work, but you don't get anything from it. No money, no fame, no social status, nothing.

>>11930274
>senseless
>they feel like work
I'm confused. Do you rake leaves for work or something? Do you see work as something that isn't difficult, just tedious? Have you never had a job more challenging than putting blocks in holes?
>you don't get anything from it
Motherfucker
Stupid bitch fuck
NO VIDEO GAMES GIVE YOU ANYTHING
THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF ENTERTAINMENT
Why am I talking to you.

>>11930287
>I'm confused
Even Yagawa said they feel like work. You have to restart a 25 minute game over and over again in order to 1cc it. Not to mention how often you have to restart it when playing for score. It's in their nature that shmups are repetitive, that's why they feel like work.

>NO VIDEO GAMES GIVE YOU ANYTHING
At least with speedrunning you have a slight chance to get famous. Many speedrunners go to AGDQ and play in front of 100 thousand viewers. Some of them even can make a living with this. FPS players can become professionals. Even Street Fighter players can go to tournaments and win big money.
With shmups you don't have any chance to do anything like this. Noone cares about shmups and noone will give you any fame or money if you are good at them.

>>11930305
>Even Yagawa said they feel like work.
Maybe if he wasn't making meme rank management full game chain suicide simulators with rng final bosses...

>>11930305
>obsessed with money
>still wants to play video games for a living

>>11930363
>things nobody ever said
I am not obsessed with money. Society is obsessed with money.
Videogames in general are a waste of time, but shmups especially. Sure they can be fun, but mostly they just feel liek work. Better to just clean your room than to do another stage practice.

Am I retarded for thinking this game is over reliant on homing shots and misdirecting? I'm still having fun but this games design feels a little bit homogeneous

>>11925986
Plus one more.

>>11930502
It's one of the first bullet hell games, or some kind of hybrid. They didn't really know what they were doing yet.

I'm too retarded for gradius 1(arcade, emulated), after hours of playing, weeks, I give up. the furthest ive got was the electric cage and that was a long time ago, for some reason i can't get there anymore, my performance is so random with this game it makes no sense. Having to redo all the levels over and over ain't that fun anymore. I'm done with this.

>>11930220
>7am
>middle of the day

Instead of actually discussing why shmups would be flawed or turn off people in a genuine way you poisoned the well with your stupid fucking le fame and money bullshit
It's bad enough you can't genuinely criticise shmups without some stupid faggotry of "heh le zoomers only want movies and not hard games" retarded circlejerking

>schizo is now feuding with himself
can we bring out the tranny porn again?

Truly awful thread.

>>11928468
anyone?

>>11930791
play easier shmups at first, gradius 1 arcade is hard if you are getting started, get onto the pc engine version, the nes version or play slap fight instead.
>>11930854
the thing is that they aren't flawed at all, they are just hated like all arcade genres by modern players by their need of learning and difficulty, this can be seen in most arcade genres and not just shmups by skinner box coertion to break videogames art expression to give profits while removing the new creators and ideas which the medium voiced so it wasn't able to showcase them. all "hard" games nowadays can be cheesed by retries, simply grinding or just having easy modes so the only games which are hated are ones which follow an arcade philosophy which even if good people are non acquainted to it by lack of experience and grooming of companies by openly lying about them while corrupting mechanics originated from them to make them dogshit, shmups are just hated because they grew as art and the medium is coerced so art which can challenge this is insulted to maintain shit while not being known by a lack of experience of gamers towards their history and general quality by never tasting it, most players when shown shmups beccome fans by simply starting with easy general ones and going from there, the thing is that the people who showcase them are sparse on the modern age.

>>11931506
Stop feeding ffs

>>11904015
Toaplan:
>Truxton
>Batsugun
>Twin Cobra

>>11928468
>HURR HOW DO I PLAY GAEM
Kek but whatever is comfortable for you. Obviously being far away or a screen that's too small will make it harder. Check your screen latency though, this is a big deal. If you;re playing on a shitty lcd it probably has a bad response time and will make the games play like shit.

>>11931506
>>11931532
>anyone daring to interrupt my jerking session about arcades is trolling
>dude everyone hates us because we're just better than them
This is why you're a joke

>>11930854
>you poisoned the well with your stupid fucking le fame and money bullshit
It's not my fault that women are subhuman turbo-normies.

>>11930518
Okay. What's special about that one in particular

>>11928520
for someone so savvy in stg, shmups sections in nier automata are surely underwhelming

>>11928520
That's a very normie tier taste in shmups. I can understand Ikaruga, Gradius 5, Garegga, Gradius Portable, and Ketsui, but Resogun and Silpheed?! What?

Well, at least he likes shmups. That's definitely pretty cool for a developer as huge as this.

>>11931770
Probably fake interest.
>>11931741
It's an arrange mode for Salamander 2 that was previously only available in the SS/PSX ports. It's just Salamander 2 but with the normal Gradius upgrade system.

>>11931789
>playing games is fake interest
This is why you people are a joke

>>11931790
He said fake interest because the shmup section in Nier are so underwhelming.
When you really play shmups, you know somewhat how they have to be to feel good.

>>11931805
They feel good in Automata, but that's not a cool le hardcore arcadefag opinion to have so they're shit
They're badly done because...uh...because modern games are all shit and always bad

Why is this guy so upset?

>>11931896
Some people just can't accept they got filtered. It would be best to ignore already but I know just saying that isn't going to do much.

Talk about shmups you are playing or something. I don't have much to say other than fucking up at Batrider final boss yet again. Pretty much just waiting to get lucky with the final phase RNG at this point, the rest of the game isn't even a challenge anymore, but I could try to do cool medal chaining. Last time I kept it all the way to stage 6 out of 7.

>>11931896
>>11931925
>>11931624

>>11931925
>Talk about shmups you are playing or something.
I can't find the patience to play shmups atm, because I live in a communistic hellhole full of communistic harpy women and my foreigner landlord wants to throw me out. I can't find a new room to live because there is an extreme shortage of apartments due to unrelenting immigrant influx since decades.

>>11931938
Damn, hope you can find a new place soon. I wouldn't be able to focus on vidya either like that.

>>11931948
>Damn, hope you can find a new place soon.
Thank you! The only return message I got from a landlord is from the worst commie block in the city. A huge house full of junkies. Everything looks like I have to go back to the ghetto, if I even get anything.

Outzone vs Fixeight? I'm hankering for something like Shock Troopers

Has anyone noticed a phenomenon where you get worse at a game instead of getting better? This happens to me all the time.
I think it's because the first few times I play, I play more cautiously and end up surviving longer, but over time I get used to the game and take risks, and I start dying EARLIER instead of later.
Holy shit, I'm a failure, lol.

>>11932092
You are fine. If you were to count how many times I fucked at stage 1 and 2 compared to endgame stages you would be shocked.
>I think it's because the first few times I play, I play more cautiously and end up surviving longer, but over time I get used to the game and take risks, and I start dying EARLIER instead of later.
Either that, or even if you aren't actively taking risks you are probably just not paying as much attention because you know it's going to be easy.

>>11932092
I know that feel. After a while you start playing on auto-pilot and do risky shit too. It's good to step back from the game from time to time to get a fresh view on things. I also learned to not score too much when just plaing for survival. Playing for survival can be fun too so that should always come first. If a route makes it more difficult for me to clear the game when playing for survival then I simply don't take it until I really need to when playing for score.

>>11932092
I rarely play shmups but this happens to me in other games too
You might just need to take a break
Specially in a new game, it often happens that I can't pass a certain part and give up, then a few hours or days later I try again and get it first try

>>11932102
Humans have bones and tendons and you often forget in a barriage of enemy fire that they get tired

Can we stop the meme that Gradius 1 is hard? I’ve 1cc’d the JP and US versions.
As long as you’re not a retard and get over 2 speed or die during a swarm portion, it’s very doable especially compared to fucking R-Type where I eat shit constantly

>>11932214
Who says that?
Anyway gg. I remember Gradius 1 myself because the first time I 1cc'd was live on discord with a bunch of frens

I just started going down the shmup rabbit hole and now I'm seeing more shmup discussion everywhere
I just noticed this general and it's the weirdest frequency illusion because now I feel like I'm seeing shmup discussion everywhere when before I just didn't pay attention
yet this general is actually not a real general, am I crazy or is there a sudden surge in popularity?

>>11932297
>am I crazy or is there a sudden surge in popularity?
You are right about that, between /v/ and /vr/ there are a lot more shmup threads. Right now there are several here, and /v/ has a daily one by now.

>>11932092
It happens, hell it's been happening right now for me on ESP Ra De. I'll get to the final stage a fair amount of times then just start dying nonstop in the first couple of stages for who knows how long. If it keeps happening for several days then that's a good sign to just take a break and come back later since that tends to let your brain soak up info from your previous runs.

>>11904015
>Konami
Gradius 2
Parodius Forever With Me
Parodius Da

>Cave
Ketsui
Dodonpachi
Mushihimesama

>Tecnosoft
Thunder Force 4
Thunder Force 3
Elemental Master

I don’t think I like 3 shmups from any other developer

>>11932706
>Parodius Forever With Me
Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius mentioned
Very underrated one. Yeah it's easier and not an actual arcade game, but pretty fun. I decided to do multiple loops since 1-ALL is kinda free, lasted like 4 of them.

someone upload the salamander iii ost already for fucks sake

>>11932825
I just noticed the sound gallery does not have Salamander 3 music either.
But why though.

>>11932830
lmao they really gave nothing to III
ins't a gamerip easy though?

>>11932859
Maybe. I never tried

>>11931506
>>11932214
I'm new here and I'm a shmup noob, I've got nothing to do with the shitposting. I already did beat NES Gradius without deaths.
Just tried this M2 port and it feels much slower compared to FBN, reached the last stage first try.

>>11932937
Could be wrong, but I think M2's port probably has arcade accurate lag that FBNeo, an emulator focused on speed and performance, doens't.

>>11931981
>>11933270
Outzone, by a mile

>>11931981
Fixeeight is closer to Shock Troopers, but Out Zones is way better.

I'm a shmup noob. Help me understand why DoDonPachi and DoDonPachi DaiOuJou are so beloved compared to other shmups. What makes a shmup good, and what makes those ones exceptional? What about Touhou? Arcade STGers generally don't really play that much. What's wrong with its design?

>>11933519
>Help me understand why DoDonPachi and DoDonPachi DaiOuJou are so beloved compared to other shmups
The dodging in them feels right and they have deep scoring, so you can play them for a loong time and still have lots of room to improve.

The focus button in these games mixed with the bullet hell patterns just makes dodging pretty fun. They have a good balance of static patterns and RNG. They always keep you on your toes.

DDP is still kidna shit tho.

>>11933519
>What's wrong with its design
"wrong" is kinda subjective but my main problems with it are
>no enemy overlap
>visual / auditory design is kind of underwhelming
>no ground enemies
>stages are just a repeating gif of a ugly 3d landscape, no real context for anything happening on screen
>everything is super zoomed out, sprites are small as hell
>enemy design is pretty simple, it's just a bunch of interchangeable fairy sprites that go to the top of the screen and shoot a random pattern most of the time
>core focus of the game is just dodging and nothing else

I did it, fuck yeah. I didn't use rewind or saves, didn't pause. An honest no miss run. My second arcade shmup 1cc. Final score was 378100, didn't bother with the second loop.

I like how they set up the autofire, it's only on for the regular and double, the laser is untouched, you have to spam it yourself for the quick laser shots. Guess I didn't beat the game cause of that, it is what it is, ran with the default settings.

>>11932964
What I also have noticed are phantom sprites that would appear and vanish for a frame, not on FBN using the same jap rom version.

can I play all the best games via fightcade or should I dl a separate rom pack and play via fb neo?

>>11908860
Cool layout wish i could find some similar for other games.
But this one needs an ini custom or won't work if you have a generic layout like the e-amusement style to cover the black bars on the sides.

>>11933826
GG. Get used to no miss for Gradius games I guess, it will be consistently more viable than actually trying to recover from most(but not all, e.g. you pretty much still win the game if you die to the crab nearly the end of G2 final stage) checkpoints.

Oldfags: were 1ccs even really a thing during the arcade era? I can't see how id've been able to achieve anything close without stage selects or at the very least a port of the game at home. Only autists were buying pcbs to play their game(s) at home during that era to enable practice, right?

>>11934192
>were 1ccs even really a thing during the arcade era?
In the west, no. In Japan, yes according to dev interviews. Although that doesn't apply to early arcade games that just keep repeating the same stage(s) endlessly, or just weren't really tested to be clearable in one credit. Devs started doing that mostly in the 90s, and occasionally in the late 80s.
>I can't see how id've been able to achieve anything close without stage selects or at the very least a port of the game at home.
A mix of watching each other play to learn the strats and building up experience with easier games. Stuff like DDP, or even Gradius 3 was made in response of players getting too good at what came before them. Also, you can feed to practice when other players aren't lining up behind you.
>Only autists were buying pcbs to play their game(s) at home during that era to enable practice, right?
I don't know how many of them did that, but it was more likely to know the local operator and convince him to let you practice on free play.

>>11934192
>I can't see how I'd be able to do that without stage select
That's part of the reason behind bombs.

>>11934304
I thought shmups eventually added bombs in reference to Defender.
That said, people are getting too used to stage select or save states nowadays, you can clear games without those, just more slowly because you will feed your way to what you want to practice and you generally try to learn more things at once with decent results, as opposed to focusing on one until you do it perfectly. It also helps that in actual arcade you can see people playing live, if they are better than you then you try to remember how they did it.

What are some non-arcade and non-danmaku style casual shmups? Not specifically looking for retro, might not be the right place to ask but that's where you get a thread so.

>>11934192
They used credit feeding for practice and practiced boss patterns by not killing them.

I suck so bad bros
Losing my will to shmup.....

>>11934553
Don't be too concerned about performance

>>11934512
Thunder Force 4 is a classic.

>>11903997
are they still obsessing over JRPG enjoyers who don't even know they exist?

>>11934580
Ya, among other things like muh reel interest and cord drama.

>>11934512
Satazius

>>11934570
I know that one.

>>11934585
Looks nice. Technically still arcade style but might work for the intended purpose.

Finally cleared Gradius 3, took me a couple of tries!

>>11934774
>miss: 674
Holy fuck, congrats on that struggle

>>11934774
I'm confused, how does the miss counter work? Does this port allow you to feed in Gradius 3?

>>11934824
It counts every death in current session, couting in save states, rewinds or credit feeds.

>>11934848
Aight. Good job either way, last time I tried Gradius 3 I didn't make it past the fireballs stage.
Think I might need rank control or just better weapons, I was using the same loadout as Gradius 1.

>>11934848
Does it count shield hits?

why aren't you faggots in your containtment /shmupg/ on /vg/, fuck off autists, its why /vg/ was made

shmups are the lowest hanging fruit in gaming, they're not only the easiest games to make their the most braindead to play

>>11935639
You are going to say that without showing how good you are at shmups?

>>11935646
>implying being good at shmups is some sort of feat

retarded autist can't read

>>11935648
If it isn't, go on and record yourself 1ccing DOJ or some shit.

>>11935650
>1cc
mental illness

>>11935639
>they're the easiest games to make
Easiest game to make a prototype of, hardest game to make actually good

>>11935652
I mean, it should be easy for you, right?

>>11935656
go to your containment thread faggot

>>11935659
Only after you post your replay.

I guess Gradius Origins is fair game since it’s been mentioned a few times ITT now. I just bought it yesterday. Am I missing something or did they not include a segmented training mode where you grind for gold medals in each section of the game? Every m2 shot triggers port I have has that mode and I was hoping to finally gitgud at Gradius 3 by putting in some serious reps into the super hard parts but I can’t figure out how.

I guess there’s the rewind feature but I haven’t tried it yet, I assume using it invalidates the score on your run? Salamander 3 is great but at first glance there doesn’t seem to be the usual amount of features that set m2 shot triggers apart from a regular ass Arcade Archives port

>>11935787
Also, the high score on Gradius 2 is already an 8-all? Gawt damn son

>>11935801
>8-all
But why though

Curious how shmupfags always ask for clears of their games, yet when asked for clears of so called easy modern games, they can't do it

>>11936681
Why would somebody bother clearing a game they have no interest in playing?

bump

>>11936841
Why would somebody bother that much on a thread they have no interest?

>>11936681
Modern games generally have extremely lenient checkpoints and saves. Why would that be remotely comparable to the STG genre which is incredibly harsh in which the most difficult games are borderline impossible to clear without years of training?

>>11935650
he said brain dead not easy
>>11935654
>good shmup
oxymoron

A bit dead today. You playing some shmups?

>>11933925
I'd go with FB Neo, since more games are playable with low latency on it.

Downloading roms is pretty straightforward, especially if you get them one at a time.

>>11937996
ok boomer 1v1 me in fortnite see what happens

You guys using a front-end for your roms? Is there a front-end that organizes games by genre (shmups, beat em ups etc) and lets you pick a random game?

>>11934553
Practice n perform full runs

When trying to beat mushihimesama, i would always start with a regular run and then practice stages i was struggling with till i felt confident/got bored… then would go for a full run and call it. One day it just happened that i got to the final boss and choked hard! On the day after that i got a full clear

>>11926831
Progear.

So I'm using retroarch's MAME core to play Psikyo games. I understand that the first few levels on something like Strikers or Gunbird are supposed to be random. However, every time I boot these games, stages are in the same order until I get a game over (or win I assume, but that has never happened). Is there any way of solving this other than save states?

how do I dodge roll and parry

I'm a total noob to shmups. I downloaded Touhou 6 since people suggested Touhou is a little easier than the CAVE games or other harder shmups. I took a few days and cleared it on Normal with no continues. I decided Normal isn't very exciting anymore, though, so I jumped straight into Lunatic. I decided to also download the 8th game and play on Lunatic. Both games are crushing me pretty hard, though the 8th game is somehow easier than the 6th game despite me having less experience with it.

What should I do as a beginner shmup player? Is it time to start watching replays of better players than me and trying to improve my routing? Or should I focus more on free-styling and trying to improve my general movement/dodging skills over anything else?

>>11937904
Autism and deep self-loathing

>>11939352
game name?

>>11939626
thank you homie

>>11939352
>>11939626
This game looks awesome. Never heard of this before.

>>11939339
Must be a retroarch thing. Pretty sure the stages were always randomized for me when I restart in actual mame.

>>11939364
First, get off touhou.
Second, yes, improve routing. I would only suggest replays as a last resort thing, half of the fun in shmups is figuring out how to deal with each stage section by practicing. Once you have a plan, you can actually start the 1cc attempts.
It's usually a good idaa to learn the game with the minimal amount of resources possible, so you are allowed more bombing and mistakes during runs.

Today, I will play shmups.
But it will be the same game I've been playing for a while now and just more praying to RNGesus

Salamander is jank memocrap. What's up with the hitboxes, the fuck is the point of the shield, who in konami thought that blue balls are good design? Why are the only lethal things random inanimate objects like floor tiles and not enemy ships.They told me that arcade games were programed to perfection. Salamander being made after Gradius makes no sense.

>>11940390
Welcome to 80s shmups, enjoy your stay.
The genre got gud around late 90s, and 2000s if you are into danmaku.

Yesterday I went back to playing Deathsmiles after several months without touching the game, and I didn't remember it being so easy. I got to the last boss on my first try (that dragon), but he raped me...
If you select level 3 for the first two levels, level 2 for the next two, and level 1 for the rest, the game becomes extremely accessible to anyone, except, again, the last real boss (and maybe some parts of the last level).
I used Rosa (17 years old), however, I think she is overpowered.

Note: Deathsmiles made me think that some shoot 'em ups can be fun even if they're not very difficult, something I consider quite rare in this genre, since when they're too easy, they tend to be boring and dull.

Noob here, do you guys tend to use a stick? I find myself struggling to move my ship precisely with the analog sticks on my gamepad.

>>11940592
The analog stick is probably the worst control unless it's a game made specifically for it. Most of the time, people will use the dpad or a keyboard. I personally use an arcade stick because it's just more fun (and more comfortable in certain cases), but it's not necessary.

>>11918718
i spent many games just trying to chain medals but not had much luck getting big bonuses. it'll usually fuck me by making one drop off the screen that's completely out of my reach.

>>11918742
> actual photographic proof of arcade 1cc on /vr/
> using real machine
a momentous occasion for the board. nice work.

>>11940569
i did note down a route that made it easy but i can't find it at the moment. after getting a good level layout and using special weapon only at certain places i was able to beat it a few times but not every time. it's quite challenging despite people calling it easy.

>>11940592
Analog stick is the least mechanically optimal input device. The most optimal is a keyboard or keyboard-like device (like a Hitbox) for the simple reason that you can play with every possible input dedicated to an individual finger. My keyboard can actuate keys with 0.1mm of movement, so you basically are moving each finger 0.1mm to activate your inputs. That's obviously superior to any other option.
In a distant second place is probably the D-pad due to how the movements are still small, but they're still larger and generally made with one single finger (the thumb), which is less precise than using all your fingers.
Third is probably the arcade stick. The movements are far too gross and large for optimal precision or speed. The skill ceiling for a keyboard player will be much higher than the skill ceiling for a stick player, although current games and human abilities don't remotely approach these ceilings, probably due to the relative unpopularity of the genre.
If there were millions of people playing shmups for hours every day like millions of people play VALORANT or Fortnite, you'd probably see almost nothing but keyboards in the upper echelons of play.

>>11939775
Why should I get off Touhou? What should I play instead? You can't just suggest that without giving a better game as a recommendation. I was told by many sources that Touhou is a great beginner shmup learning tool which can help players ultimately transition into the more difficult or complex arcade shmups. Plus, the games obviously aren't even bad from a presentation perspective; they have great music and beautiful visuals, even if the visual aspects (backgrounds, enemy design) aren't as diverse or integrated with the gameplay as some arcade shmups. Is there something particular about the gameplay that's unacceptably terrible?

>>11940690
I think you should play whatever you like. Video games aren't serious business.
Just avoid catastrophically bad stuff like Sky Force or things like that.

>>11940690
>I was told by many sources that Touhou is a great beginner shmup learning tool
Only thing it teaches you is to avoid fancy boss patterns, and specifically in bullet hell games. Also streaming I guess.
>Is there something particular about the gameplay that's unacceptably terrible?
Stage design is just more boss patterns, having most enemies look the same but do different things, deathbombing(not a thing in most arcade titles, it WILL ruin your bombing habits!), strong focus on micrododging and reactive gameplay(most arcade titles reward you for not letting enemies shoot you at all, or go around bullet spreads with fast ships). It's going to give you a very wrong impression of how the genre plays like outside of 2hu, and the result will just be turning like that faggot who complains about arcade 24/7. That includes other indie shmups that are not inspired by 2hu specifically(if it's bullet hell it will be CAVE most likely)

Stage 3 of mushi is raping me. These flying faggots dive-bombing you is insane

>>11940938
Maniac or Ultra?
First half or Last half?

>>11940970
The stage just filters me on all fronts, but I always fuck up the start after you kill that first head.

>>11940748
You still didn't say what other game I should play, you... you... DOUBLE NIGGER

>>11941143
Mushihimesama

Wild Riders