I will never get over the time Rare's cofounder decided to fuck with people and casually post (then) new recordings of N64 betas (i.e Twelve Tales, Dream, etc) booting up just fine
HE EVEN HAD A BETA CART OF SPACEWORLD ZELDA 64 AS A GIFT FROM MIYAMOTO AND SHOWED A PIC OF IT
This fucking brit

>>11903767 (OP)
>beta
What's the freaking point of lusting over a "beta version" of a game that's already been released? You can still play the retail version.

The gaming community should be concerned over REAL lost media. Do you have any idea how many arcade games and arcade machines have been lost? All machines have been scrapped and many games not dumped. You will never be able to play any version of Ridge Racer Full Scale. They don't exist in arcades anymore or anywhere in the world.

There are also hundreds of not a few thousand arcade games that were released in Japan only. Games that only sold a few hundred before being lost to time. Only a handful of collectors in Japan still have the arcade boards and they aren't sharing or dumping them.

>>11903774
>What's the freaking point of lusting over a "beta version"
It's important when it's old, early versions of a game with major differences
Especially in the case of Twelve Tales or Dream when the game was reworked into a completely different game (Conker's Bad Fur Day and Banjo-Kazooie, respectively)

Rare should have included the playable betas of this kinda stuff in Rare Replay.

>>11903774
>What's the freaking point of lusting over a "beta version" of a game that's already been released
Yeah right? What's the point in having interest in a different, older version of something that you like? Why would someone be interested in comparing differences and seeing the original approach by the creators, surely no one cares!!
It'd be like being interested in an early version of a song you like, who cares amirite!?
I'm an atheist and I'm very smart!!1!1!!

You're a fucking mongoloid.

>>11903774
>What's the freaking point of lusting over a "beta version" of a game that's already been released? You can still play the retail version.
I actually kinda agree with you. Most beta versions are not that special with a few noteworthy exceptions. That being said, I still think they are worth preserving if possible to do so.

>>11903781
I think it might be because those betas might technically still be "Nintendo games" (given the twelve tales bootup footage had the Ninty logo in it)
Therefore
Nintendo will put a shit ton of N64 E3/Spaceworld/etc beta demos (including Twelve Tales and even Mother 3) on their NSO service. It shall be Switch 2 only so we can't dump, datamine, or hack the roms from a modded Switch 1.
They shall also be timed just like at the original showfloor, so you can only play them once for 30 minutes each.
That'll be $50 dorrar per month prease and zankkyu

>>11903774
>muh lost arcade gems
90% of the shit that wasn't dumped are gay schmups, chink gooner bait, tetris clones, maybe a few beat-em-ups and racing games. That's it.

>>11903774
A lot of times betas are from devkit and thus have source code, skyrocketing modding support as a result

>some faggot posts shit for attention
>you indulge him

(You) problem

>>11903774
>Only a handful of collectors in Japan still have the arcade boards and they aren't sharing or dumping them.
Fucking based, Japan stays dabbing on 'em.

>>11903783
Without developers telling you about these things, you wouldn't even know Beta versions of these N64 games still exist.

What's does it stop? Where does your lust end? Are you going to demand to play every single beta version of a past game? In 20 years, are you going to harass former Ubisoft employees to release beta versions of Assassins Creed for Xbox 360?

>/vr/ in 20 years
>This fucking Ubisoft employee has old DVDs of an early build of Assassins Creed! This selfish bastard! Give it to me!


>>11903778
My sincere answer to you is that if the game wasn't worth releasing at retail, then it wasn't worth playing. There's obviously something very wrong with it. As a fellow gamer, let me say that you are letting game lust overcome common sense.

If you are still genuinely curious about the differences, then perhaps be nice to the creator and ask him about it on social media. They may share their thoughts and perhaps even a video if you are lucky.

Remember you wouldn't even know this betacart even exists if the collector didn't tell you about it. Before you knew about it, you lived in happy ignorance. Try to remember that state of mind you once had.

>>11903790
>gay schmups,
How dare you say that.

>maybe a few beat-em-ups and racing games.
These are worth saving.

>>11903767 (OP)
At least cry over something serious that's been lost.

Look at his picture. These are Pinball machines from the 1970s made by Sega Japan. They were only ever sold in Japan and never exported.

Only a literal handful still exist today and only in Japan and only in one Japanese museum in the entire world.

Sega Japan built these wonderful custom crafted mechanical pinball machines with features you STILL don't see in modern pinball machines. Really fantastic designs, and great ideas for ease of maintenance. Sega was really great with innovation and technology.

Sega Japan wanted to compete with American pinball manufacturers and show the world they could make pinball too.

Unfortunately Sega Japan SEVERELY underestimated how much maintenance Pinball machines need. They couldnt provide enough spare parts to their customers. Sega Japan did not have the industrial capacity at the time to make enough replacement pinball parts for arcades across Japan.

Because of this, most of Sega pinballs could not be kept in good working condition in Japanese arcades. So almost all arcade owners retired the machines from arcades and threw them in the dumpster. All of them are gone. No one thought to save them. And they were never exported outside Japan.

Only one collector saved his pinball machines. And literally the only place on Earth you can play these near extinct Sega Pinballs is one museum in Japan run by single collector. He's keeps a few machines in storage for parts, but even he's not sure how much longer he can keep these Dinosaur machines running due to lack of spare parts and they are 50 years old now.

>>11903808
>>11903826
You sound mad.

>>11903826
Why do mutts struggle so much to think of multiple topics at once? You can be interested in betas and you can be interested in preserving older arcade machines. One doesn't stop the other.

>At least cry over something serious that's been lost
A normal person would see OP thread and just post what you did without this gay paragraph before, you're not cool or smarter for acting like one thing is superior to the other

At the end of the day, it's all plastic and digital junk that we use to fill an empty void in our lives by trying to have fun for a couple of hours every other day, before going off to wagie wars

>>11903793
>A lot of times betas are from devkit and thus have source code, skyrocketing modding support as a result
Is it not possible to do with the retail versions?

>>11903832
>Why do mutts struggle so much to think of multiple topics at once? You can be interested in betas
The only valid justifiable answer in the entire thread was the one anon who said beta versions sometimes help modders make better mods.

The rest of you are just splitting hairs and making unreasonable demands. What makes you so entitled to think that you should the right to play all beta versions of games? Look at this post
>>11903767 (OP)

>I will never get over the time Rare's cofounder decided to fuck with people and casually post (then) new recordings of N64 betas (i.e Twelve Tales, Dream, etc) booting up just fine
>HE EVEN HAD A BETA CART OF SPACEWORLD ZELDA 64 AS A GIFT FROM MIYAMOTO AND SHOWED A PIC OF IT
>This fucking brit

This anon is consumed by greed and jealousy.

>>11903847
Wow, you really ARE mad, lmao.

>You should only care about lost games and not betas
>You shouldn't care about lost games because they're probably shit anyways

This fucking thread. Just care about all of it and stop being an annoying contrarian.

>>11903847
Notice how you didn't actually answer this
>Why do mutts struggle so much to think of multiple topics at once?
You're literally a low IQ mongrel that struggles to think of multiple topics at once. How do you even function in society?

Only reasonable anon is
>>11903857

>>11903859
You hateful and obvious bait question doesn't deserve a reply. Do better if you actually want a discussion.

>>11903767 (OP)
>In August 2012, aSonic Statiumuser claimed he found a childhood magazine fromPortugalwith "never before seen" screenshots of an early beta build ofSonic The Hedgehog 3, the screenshots lined up with other verified beta screenshots we had at the time, with a notable detail being that Sonic uses his sprite fromSonic The Hedgehog 2.

>>11903880

>>11903880
>>11903882

>>11903880
That was probably just a placeholder sprite.

>>11903880
>>11903882
>>11903884

>>11903889
>French promotinal artwork forKnucklesfromMEGA Force Magazine Issue hs02that has more in common withSonic

>>11903767 (OP)
This isn't lost media. This is simply "media you don't have". So why are you complaining like it's a lost opportunity that was snatched away from you?

>>11903870
The audacity of your bitch ass to say this when >>11903774 itself was obviously bait that only serves to derail the thread topic into ragebait discussions

>>11903842
retail ones don't have source code most of time.

>>11903774
Pretty much.
>go on hidden palace
>99% of their dumps are just buggy QA builds
WOW
And the crazy part is someone paid thousands of dollars to get those

>>11903767 (OP)
You are acting as if they are hiding things from you. All this is just a buggy incomplete version of an old game. Why obsess over it? Gamers should focus their limited attention on actual lost media. Like Pic related. Every single one of these unique looking arcade cabinets have apparently been lost.

>>11903774
What's the freaking point of lusting over an "argayde" game that's just a soulless p2w version of a home console game? You can still play the normal version that wasn't designed around frustrating the player on purpose.

>>11903767 (OP)
> lost media
> shares tim stamper's photo that he posted on twitter, that was confirmed to be fake
> started blocking users when they pointed out how an n64 could be running anything with the power switch clearly in the off position
that was an embarrassing day. why tim faked a photo, when he has the software, was truly bizarre.

>>11904038
Thats the best part. He can just show another picture later with a 2nd N64 with another rare cartridge plugged in. Jajajaja

>>11904053
nobody has been able to explain it. i just don't understand why he needed to fake a photo. did he forget that his customers know how an n64 functions? had another n64? no explanation.

>>11904073
>>11904038
Maybe he just did it troll lost media losernerds

>>11904038
Seems like even a retard could figure out that he probably already dumped all this shit a long time ago and was running the game from a PC, and that the picture of the N64 was just to show off the physical cartridge and the fact that he has all that stuff still.

>>11904073
He did it to troll you and trigger your OCD, and get plenty of responses. There are a dozen ways he could use to fake that picture (including bypassing the power switch entirely). But you will always be focused on the power switch because of your OCD.

>>11903774
Some betas are completely different from the retail release. Look at Pokemon SW97.

>>11904073
Most likely, the prototype cart was wiped decades ago and doesn't actually contain anything, which is why he's never shown any active footage of the game. What's displayed on the screen is probably an old beta screenshot.

pc cocoron, 1993 unreleased yet finished remake/pseudo sequel to cocoron on pc engine super cd

its just sitting in a "preservation society" due to japanese copyright legal limbo

>>11903767 (OP)
>will never forget seeing a game boot
>forgets caps lock is on
Yup. It's a zoomie.

Just wait until these people discover that games actually go through hundreds of builds before completion. Those evil developers were erasing gaming history on the daily!

>>11903882
>Sky Sanctuary Act 2 boss was supposed to be a Sonic vs Knuckles fight
thats crazy

>>11903774
If we know that something exists, and we don't have it, then it's interesting.

>>11903783
>Yeah right? What's the point in having interest in a different, older version of something that you like?

Do you realize that games have hundreds if not sometimes thousands of builds? Are you going to demand access to all of them?

>>11903774
This. Betas are a mild novelty at best, I'm missing portions of my childhood because Sega are retarded cunts and probably didn't preserve anything from the AS-1 era. I don't need to play them again in a motion simulator, I just want to fucking watch them.

Betas are inevitably dull. Wow, scrimbly blimbo was originally orange, not blue! This changes EVERYTHING!

>>11904354
People just want what they don't have. As soon as they get it they don't care anymore.

Last year Game Freak was hacked and source to most of the Pokemon mainline games leaked(along with the 2020 Nintendo leaks this means all 9 mainline gens have source code out, plus LGPE and PLA). The Gen 4/5/6 ones have assets. People have compiled builds for every single day of development of some of them and literally no one cares. But if someone was hoarding and dangling one of those builds like Stamper does with his N64 builds people would go rabid for it.

>>11904402
>I'm missing portions of my childhood because Sega are retarded cunts and probably didn't preserve anything from the AS-1 era

Funny you mention that. Sega actually had multiple AS-1 simulators and R360s in storage. But decided to throw them out. I have no idea why they did that.

I read in an interview where Sega Executives briefly mention not having any surviving units of both machines. Sega Japan Executives have gone on record saying that was huge mistake, and wished they saved a few examples.

Apparently Sega Japan has a storage facility that has one example each of all their deluxe motion simulator arcade cabinets they built over the decades going back to the 1980s. Stuff like arcade motion cabs for Outrun, Hang-on, Enduro Racer, etc. With permission, employees can visit and play the cabinets.

But there's a huge gap in the AS-1 era. Not a single AS-1 and R360 in storage. Apparently it really annoys some of the Sega Executives a lot. They even went hunting for them, but apparently not a single unit was left in all of Japan. At least 1 or 2 dozen existed in Japan in the 90s. But all units were either sold off or scrapped in the 2000s. No idea why.

>>11903767 (OP)
These companies are just throwing away money by letting this behind the scenes content rot. There's clearly massive public demand and interest in it.

Every other industry has long embraced the bonus content/deleted scenes interest from fans. Video game developers are acting like stupid old carnies.

>>11903848
I accept your concession.

>>11904501
>There's clearly massive public demand and interest in it.
No there isn't. I work with retro tech and the public doesn't care about old electronics and retro stuff. Despite what YouTubers claim, only a niche group of people care. Rarely, sometimes a guy will come into my shop and be like "whoa I remember this thing. I had thus as a kid." But then not buy it. They look at it for 5 minutes, take a photo, and then put it back down and leave.

The public is simply not willing to pay. They won't pay to buy it and won't pay for storage or fees to keep these electronics safe and secured. Why do you think we had to scrap so many old CRT TVs and not put them in storage? Public didn't want to pay for storing them.

Same with old film reels. The public won't pay for storing them. It's why so many have become lost media. People only slightly care 20 years later when some guy makes a YouTube video about some "lost tech" (even though everyone had the chance to save it years earlier). Everyone likes to brag about wanting to save old tech but when it comes to actually opening their wallets and PAYING for it, suddenly those same people are quiet.

>>11903774
>You will never be able to play any version of Ridge Racer Full Scale. They don't exist in arcades anymore or anywhere in the world.

You probably won't believe me but I saw a Ridge Racer Full Scale for sale about 12 years ago at a mixed electronics auction in the USA at a huge warehouse/former arcade center. There were numerous other arcade cabinets there. Guy was selling it for $9000, but no one was interested in buying it when I was there. Cool little red car. Machine still worked but the metal house the car sat inside (with the giant Namco and RRFS logo) had seen better days. Paint was falling off the metal and there was some rust in certain spots. I could have bought it but Arcade cabinets arent my thing, and it was massive. Like the size of a room. I hope it wasn't scrapped. Hopefully someone bought it.

>>11904509
>angry and delusional
*I* accept *your* concession :)

>>11903774
>Only a handful of collectors in Japan still have the arcade boards and they aren't sharing or dumping them.

any specific examples? i can only think of that one taito 1st person space racing game

>>11904761
Yosaku by SNK. The original arcade board has never been dumped. Ports of the game have been dumped. But not the original arcade board. We know the pcb still exists because the Japanese have recorded videos of it. But they won't share it.

>>11904848
>the Japanese have recorded videos of it. But they won't share it.
Wow, I didn't realize it was a concerted effort by the entire nation of Japan.

>>11904848
Its pretty fucked that even SNK's current rights holders must not have access to a version of it since it didnt even show up in that SNK 40th collection or the one PS2 collection of pre NeoGeo games.

>>11904552
Thats an entirely separate group of people you are talking about. If there wasnt a subset willing to pay for this kind of stuff as hobbyists, special features and documentaries included on all these movie re-releases wouldnt exist. Of course some random joe-blow off the street isnt going to care, but you cant tell me that Nintendo throwing the N64 version of Mother 3 on something and advertising it, would not attract a whole lot of interested buyers who are interested in that kinda shit, even if the average normie couldnt give a damn.

>>11904928
It could generate bad press for Nintendo if they try to sell unfinished games for money with people who don't know what they're buying.

>>11904942
I mean thats highly unlikely. The average person isnt going to buy a bluray edition of Manos the Hand of Fate. That is specifically for a very slim niche of fans. The average person isnt even going to be aware of what these unreleased games are at face value. The only way it would be bad press, is if Nintendo blatantly lied and said that these unfinished games were full titles and were charging full prices for them like any new release. Hell, you want to talk about misleading people, the one NES Remix collection claimed it was going to include the "Nintendo World Championship", when its not at all the same game included that anyone remotely into the hobby of retro gaming recognized.

>>11904018
That's how prototype procurement goes. Given the reusable nature of a lot of proto parts (EPROMs, floppy disks, flash ROMs), the reality is that a lot of earlier builds were overwritten with newer builds, and companies were more likely to send out stuff to the public as they got closer to completion, so when you combine those two facts, it stands to reason that the majority of surviving protos will be 80%++ complete. But to get the more interesting ones, a lot of less interesting ones will be acquired, because most of the time prototypes are bought as-is, with no or little info about the contents. Sometimes people just get lucky and an early build was sent out on an otherwise unremarkable looking prototype cart, or a reusable flash cart with an early build was forgotten in a drawer and never reused for later builds.
Things got better in the CD era as CD-Rs were relatively cheap to acquire in bulk (and couldn't be reused), and seemingly every game dev/publisher was eager to get their shit previewed by magazines and online publications, so a lot of things were sent out, some of them even being early builds or tradeshow demos.
Basically, if proto preservationists just waited for the perfect protos to show up, there'd be almost nothing preserved and a lot of great prototypes would wind up ignored because there was no guarantee.

>>11904552
shut up, you idiot

>>11904880
>Wow, I didn't realize it was a concerted effort by the entire nation of Japan.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. But the entire Japanese collector community has largely refused to cooperate with Westerners for dumping arcade boards. They do not trust Westerners.

Their attitude can be described as

>*polite tone* Why should we help you? What's in it for us? Go away white piggu!

IIRC The Japanese have only allowed one single trade with Western arcade collectors. And that was involving Rhythm games. I don't remember exact details, but I vaguely recall Americans trading software and programming expertise in exchange for some undumped Japanese rhythm arcades games. The western guy said when he saw the list of games he could choose from (not just rhythm games), he saw a tremendous amount of undumped games and games he has never heard of before.

>>11904912
>Its pretty fucked that even SNK's current rights holders must not have access to a version of it since it didnt even show up in that SNK 40th collection or the one PS2 collection of pre NeoGeo games.

Japanese and Asians are extremely bad at archiving software and saving electronics. Once the game stopped being manufactured, SNK probably just deleted the original arcade data or dumped in the trash.

Sega Japan had to ask several Japanese collectors for access to old Sega arcade boards. Sega was planning to re-release the arcade games for consoles, but realized they actually didn't archive the data to some of their old games.

Asian culture doesn't place any value in archiving or storing games. If the department doesn't earn money, then they don't care about it. Thus, most companies don't have archiving departments or any sort of storage.

This is also bad for old films. Old master film reels need to be stored in temperature controlled storage. But Asian companies don't want to pay for it. Thus many classic films have been lost. Maybe a VHS copy still exist, but it's impossible to make a DVD or HD Bluray because the films were thrown away in a dumpster long ago.

>>11903774
Excellent post. Only obsessive Nintendo autists are interested in irrelevant cut content which wasn't good enough to make it into the final product.

>>11903767 (OP)
It was a scam, he is a britfag after all.

>>11903767 (OP)
People like him are just scumfags, if he really loved gaming, he would have silently dump his shit and made it available.

>>11903778
Dream was just a proof of concept, no way a full game with those sprites would have fit in a 4mb SNES cart.

>>11903774
>You will never be able to play any version of Ridge Racer Full Scale
There's an arcade museum in Japan that has it. They also have Galaxian Theater or Galaga Theater, whatever it's called.

>>11903828
You sound dead

>>11905103
????????

>>11903880
>>11903882
>>11903884
They're fake, anyone can do these with modified RA analogue shaders

>>11905036
>Oh no, You CAnotto Pirasu gamesu, it's Evisuuuusu, we gonna Purosekusu Juu
>Ooooh, we do to have the originaru game no mo!

>>11905098
You are half right. They have the Galaxian Theater. But not the Ridge Racer Full Scale.

>>11903767 (OP)
Noone fucking cares

A lot of girlymen in the thread... Like I get the whole argument that not publicly available games are technically lost media, but personally as long as someone has it and is either taking good care of it or has it backed up themselves then I'm happy. Like what some people said in here, most of the time it's just something you play and say "oh that's cool" then forget about it. Anyways, I really wanna play Heavyweight Champ someday. Whether it be an elaborate recreation or an actual cabinet if a working one ever gets found. It looks like it could be an addicting proto fighting game.

If you want something genuine to get mad over, this fag found a Panel De Pon 64 beta cart a few years back.
https://youtu.be/kANs1LYAm4c

But get this, after years of people in the preservation community trying to get a hold of him, including professional N64 dumpers, he shied them off and leave people with no updates.

People speculate that he sold it off to another anonymous bidder, which is almost certain.
But considering he posted this a few days ago:
https://youtu.be/riIZPfdfxxk
The cat may as well be out of the bag.
It's fucking over. I was just curious at best over something that might not be different than the GCN version, but it's infuriating hoarders are still being total shitheads.

>>11905074
>which wasn't good enough to make it
Despite if the author actually had good taste in the first place.
Shudo's pool toy shouldn't have been replaced the original trio master of the legendary beasts and he would have agreed tok considering they pisses him off over identity bullshit.

>>11903886
2/CDfags are still set to be annoying again

>>11905559
that game is in some gc collection.

>>11905748
Not only that but the 64 beta version doesn’t even have kanji in the text, it just shows ? marks. But that’s apparently worth preserving according to trannies

There's plenty of completely forgettable licensed shovelware from Argentina (along with regular shovelware).
Most of them made by Caimán Co., which are probably better known for their work in the MTV version of Alejo y Valentina.
>"One complication for developing a game here is piracy. If you invest 100,000 pesos, it's very difficult to recover them," says Pablo Zimmerman, co-founder of Caimán, one of the most prolific local producers. With some 120 titles on the market, they have achieved repercussions and sales with products based on popular characters from our culture: Yo, Matías (Sendra's comic strip), Manuelita, Chiquititas, etc. "The business is to have several products on the market, reusing the code from one in another. It's the only way to recoup the 20,000 pesos that are usually invested in a new development and be able to sell it here for 20 pesos," he adds.
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/tecnologia/videojuegos-hechos-en-la-argentina-nid543208/
20,000 ARS back then = 12,345.41 USD today.

The most notable of them being the one based on Manuelita,
A film of which the country was so proud of, it was sent as the representative of the country at the Academy Awards.
A film that sold a million tickets (much like in France, the success of movies here is measured by tickets sold).
It was low effort garbage that couldn't even get the original voice actors, using TTS instead.
>The game is intended for children between 2 and 5 years old, so they don't need to know how to read, and all the text is spoken. The problem is that it's not recorded; instead, it uses a text recognition program that converts written paragraphs into spoken text, and the clarity isn't always optimal.
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/tecnologia/manuelita-de-pehuajo-a-la-computadora-nid180364/

>>11905903
"Non-licensed" shovelware tended to be focused on sports (those still had endorsement from famous local athletes).
There are at least 3 known examples: Basket, Tenis (pic related, endorsed by Guillermo Vilas, who got this nice big box that now remains in a museum dedicated to his person) and Boxeo. Boxeo was preserved and works fine.
Tenis was partially preserved and doesn't work really well, either on virtual machines or real newer machines (dunno if it is faulty because it was poorly coded, or the dump is just bad).
And there's absolutely nothing about Basket (endorsed by Marcelo Milanesio), other than this very comprehensive news article.
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/tecnologia/basquet-para-pc-hecho-en-la-argentina-nid178365/

>>11905559
Can you just give me a quick run down?

I stopped watching that video after 5 minutes. He keeps rambling and rambling and saying

>"I really didn't want to do this video."

>"Again I didn't want to do this tour video you will find out later."

>"I don't want to do this.

What is with this arrogant attitude? If he doesn't want to do a tour video then don't. It really kills the vibe of the video when he keeps complaining.

>>11905748
Yeah its really funny to me that the few people that care about this proto don't even realize that its not a lost game whatsoever. The Gamecube version is completely identical, minus taking 64 off the title screen. Hell I bet its just a rom running in the same emulator that Dr Mario 64s running on in that collection and itd probably run on a flashcart or emulator if you ripped it off the disc, unless they actually went out of their way to properly port over those games which I doubt is the case. Nintendo fans don't know anything about any of the slightly more niche games and it shows.

>>11905559
>But considering he posted this a few days ago:
>https://youtu.be/riIZPfdfxxk
>The cat may as well be out of the bag.

I don't care about his beta Nintendo 64 cart he found at a flea market. But man is this guy annoying af. He keeps saying that he doesn't want to do a tour video and won't tell us the reason for selling until the very end of the video. I can't believe I sat through 20 minutes of whining. And what was the reason? He didn't say specifically. Just that he's selling it to do something for his family. He won't get specific. How stupid. That's it? I can't believe I wasted 20 minutes. I want those 20 minutes of my life back.

>>11903774
Do you think that because I am interested in beta releases of games I am also not concerned about lost arcade games? I would like to see Ridge Racer Full Scale preserved just as much as any 64 beta.

You know those fancy Digital Eclipse collections they do nowadays with the documentary timelines, concept art, interviews, and sometimes playable betas? I would love to see something like that for some Nintendo games.

>>11906317
The total attention and awareness of the gaming community is limited. If we wasted less time on betas for games that already exist, then maybe we could work together to save one of a kind arcade cabinets and other unique gaming machines.

15 years ago, a wealthy gamer might see a YouTube video about how there's only a handful of Ridge Racer Full Scales left in the world. And because of this one video, he might step in to save one of them. Instead, YouTube recommended him a video about beta carts because Nintendo fans are obsessed about them. This sent the wealthy gamer down a different path becoming obsessed with beta carts. Then all Ridge Racer Full Scales were lost.

It's not even just Ridge Racer Full Scale. There's at least a dozen different gaming machines that have been lost. All because the gaming community wasn't made aware of this happening.

>>11906329
Or, you know, it's more likely that an autist has a few hundred bucks to blow on a worthless beta cart, versus thousands to blow on a massive arcade machine that requires a garage worth of space.

>>11906317
I still don't understand this obsession with beta versions of games for some gamers. Do gamers believe they are going to discover an unreleased game or something?

>>11906332
>Or, you know, it's more likely that an autist has a few hundred bucks to blow on a worthless beta cart
HA! Its cute you believe that. We know the truth. A few hundred bucks? Haha. I know how you tards spend. You people spend THOUSANDS on beta carts. Lmao @ few hundred like these beta carts are just sitting there for sale at your local game store.

Get out of your delusion. You beta cart hoarders are fierce. If one ever goes up for sale you spend your child's college fund to buy it. All so you can claim you own and show it off in a YouTube video and brag. Don't make me laugh.

>>11906345
No, of course not. I just find the idea of sitting down and combing through early builds of games and imagining what the developers were doing is fascinating. It's not just video games, either, I find the whole concept of exploring time capsules of somebody else's material to be exciting.

>>11906329
I'm afraid I can't control what the rest of the gaming community does, but for what it is worth and despite me being one of those Nintendo beta nerds, I am grateful that you brought Ridge Racer Full Scale and those pinball machines to my attention. (That was you, right?)

>>11906360
Different anon here.

The story of the last ridge racer full scale in Europe is insane.

Discovering the last full scale in the back of a theme park and is neglected.

Documenting all the parts.

Trying to buy the machine.

Theme park refusing. Then more negotiating. Then agreeing on the condition the machine gets donated to a local video game museum. So they get the full scale machine for free.

Then the full scale gets stolen by driver of uhaul truck. Big twist is that the old man negotiating was never from the arcade community to begin with and was lying.

Theme park doesn't want to get involved in this legal mess. To them, it's just an old arcade machine they wanted to get rid off.

Local Video game museum reveals they had never heard of any deal about donating a ridge racer full scale cabinet.

Old man lied to everyone involved!

Old man rips apart full scale and throws the most of it in his backward and taunts the arcade community with pictures (pic related). Nothing legally can be done.

Machine sits out in rain and gets water damaged and rusts. Old man even invites people into his house to tour and see the broken remains of full scale scattered around his house and backyard but refuses to sell it. Just taunts visitors with full scale corpse.

Eventually arcade community is outraged.

Crazy attention is focused on this old man. Starts to make local news.

Old man freaks out at all the negative attention and realizes it's gotten out of hand and far beyond his expectations.

Old man sells house, but as a final Fuck you to gaming community...the old calls a scrapping company days before the house is sold and orders them take away all the full scale parts to make sure the gaming community can't fix it or reassemble it.

New owner of home finds that some pieces of the machine still remain but 80% of the machine was destroyed. Only the red car and a few bits remain. Sad.

To this day no one knows wtf was going on with that old man

>>11906410

>>11906414
More pictures of the old man shoving the ripped apart full scale machine in his backyard.

>>11906415
This is some cartoon villain shit, what the fuck?

>>11906410
>To this day no one knows wtf was going on with that old man
Hopefully he met a miserable end.

>>11906420
Just like how there are some people who are obsessed with saving history...there are other people who just want to see history burn and be forgotten.

>>11906420
Maybe he had a bad history with that machine?

>>11905748
I know, i still wanted to see what else was in the original planned release before it got cancelled.

>>11905851
>troon obsession
Okay retard.

>>11906218
Did people did not read the last part of my post or is /vr/ is just full of retards with reading comprehension issues, especially for a imageboard that's literred with text?

>>11906307
Exactly, this guy is like waving his dick around and crunching his chips, but only gets to the point somewhere or to the ass end of the video but it's still a vague piece of shit.
Kinda like the fag who was leaking the new donkey kong game but he spent so much time stalling and talking about shitty politics and sand wars/family background like that's anyone's business instead of playing the game, but we don't get to see the end of it thanks to Nintendo Ninjas.

>>11906324
Examples?

>>11906185
Just to show how much of a total uncooperative faggot show off he is and how terrible his blind simps are in the comments section.

>>11905571
*Depends if

>>11906639
The first one they made was Atari 50. They have a Mortal Kombat one coming up soon with things like mocap footage and actor interviews.

>>11905559
>But considering he posted this a few days ago:
>https://youtu.be/riIZPfdfxxk
>The cat may as well be out of the bag.
>It's fucking over.
I don't get this guy's attitude. He keeps complaining about making a tour video. If he hates it so much then don't do it.

>>11906410
I want blood holy shit

>The elusive missing graphics code has been dumped with a view to get Full Scale running fully in emulation.
>And as for the un-dumped code mentioned above, progress has already been made here. I’ve spoken to the guy working on this and the game is now fully dumped and running cleanly in emulation.
>Even the interface I/O system between the game and the physical dashboard of the MX5 (the part that controls the tachometer in the car) is work in progress. There’s a way to go still with this; ultimately a version of the I/O PCB will be developed that’ll talk to a PC running the emulated code that will drive the tacho, speedometer and room lights.

Let’s pour one out for Yosaku. All we have is the shitty home version.
https://youtu.be/cDWNpSTKQIc?feature=shared

I really hate how "beta" was incorrectly popularized to be the go-to word for in-progress development versions of programs.

>just look at the final product, do not ever question or investigate how it got to that final state
Imagine if we did this for things like building cars. Or doing math. Just ignore all the old shit. Ignore how we got there. Forget about it.
Eventually, we will forget how to even make cars or do math.

>>11905559
If he dumped the game I'm sure the value of it would have gone down tremendously. If I had something like that I would want to sell it too. Why didn't you buy it from him yourself and dump it?

>>11907275
>If he dumped the game I'm sure the value of it would have gone down tremendously
This doesn't actually happen. One of a kind items still remain one-of-a-kind.

>>11907257
There are literally THOUSANDS of beta builds in the development of a single video game. You want access to all of them??? Where does it stop???

>>11907280
It does devalue it by creating infinite free supply.

>>11907298
Retro games go for exorbitant prices and continue to climb despite being available on the Internet for free for decades

>>11907298
I have an animation cel from a popular children's cartoon show hanging on my wall. By your logic it should be near worthless because millions have seen and downloaded the exact frame of it on their computer.

There’s a lost arcade game from 1979 called Dracula Hunter. I only know about it because it was featured in a manga. And now, you know about it too. You’re welcome, western insects.

>>11907314
It would be worth much more if there was no way to view it anymore and you were the only owner.

>>11907307
Is like when they said anon would stop eating burned oil

>>11907316
Or no one would give a shit because it'd be obscure and no different from the millions of other drawings out there.

>>11907086
>take the PS1 version
>render at 4k
>widescreen hack
>4k projector
>sit in your car while playing
>have a fan blowing in your face

There’s your Ridge Racer Full Scale

>>11907339
I have a red miata I need to try this

>>11907316
This is what a lot of people don't grasp. Prototypes are different than retail games, the buyers are oftentimes different people. Thing is, people will fundraise and pay money for JUST the dumps. If you dump it for free, the ROM itself no longer has value, so that revenue-producing option dies the second it is freely released.
Think of it this way
>have desirable prototype worth $1k
>release it for free
>only way to make money from it is to now sell the original
>people who would once pool together funds to buy the proto for preservation no longer have a reason to do so, so now your only market is a collector
Or
>have a desirable prototype worth $1k
>dump it, offer to release the dump for $500
>raise the money
>release the ROM
>you now offset the cost of your $1k proto by $500
While "hot" collectorbait protos like Zelda or whatever will retain value regardless, a game that is only desirable because it is unreleased becomes less remarkable once it is dumped, and the cost of the physical proto will drop to being just a bit more than your standard prototypes as opposed to many times more.
I remember the couple of times when a proto of the unreleased Japanese version of Monster Party would show up for sale and clear a few grand at auction, then once one was dumped and released, one original cart was resold on ebay and it didn't break $1k, hit around $800 if my memory is correct, because a lot of the mystery was gone.

>another promising thread ruined by the Ridge Racer autist
NO ONE, boomers or zoomers cares about arcades, if they did, we'd still have them in stores and other places.

>>11907086
Namco offered each buyer of the Ridge Racer Full Scale the right to customize the graphics of the main race car to whatever they wanted. Some buyers chose the default generic race car, some buyers opted for a Mazda Miata to match the physical car, and other buyers went with other car designs Namco offered. The buyer was paying $350,000 so Namco went above and beyond to accommodate them.

While one ridge racer full scale machine was dumped, the other full scale remaining machines have been lost. Which means the graphics code for all the other custom cars have been lost as well.

>>11907315
This looks interesting. I'm willing to bet there's a ton of Japanese arcade games just like Dracula hunter that have been lost to time.

>>11907470
>we'd still have them in stores and other places
We still do.

>>11907465
Trying to raise money to release a game dump would get you sued by the copyright holder. It's not the same as selling a copy you own.

>>11907504
>Rigged Cranes
>Raw Thrills cancer

Might as well not having them anymore.

>>11906329
>If we wasted less time
Time doing what? People obsessing over version 0.98 of whatever N64 game is currently making you seethe has effectively no impact on whether or not some boomer former arcade operator decides to lug his RRFS out of storage, or if some Japanese collector decides to put his boardset up for auction, or if some arcade hoarder decides to dump it.

>>11907513
People have been successfully conducting fundraisers for dumps for many years, anon. This isn't some hypothetical situation.

>>11907275
The point is, why are these fags buying them in the first place? If it was a genuine fan or hobbyist, the item itself would be the personal treasure, even after you dump it. If you are holding on to it purely for value potential, its no different then the sealed graded game fags that have no actual interest in the medium and just got into it for the money.

>>11907470
>>another promising thread ruined by the Ridge Racer autist
Do you think this is one person? Really? Anon. Losing Ridge Racer Full Scale was a big deal and many people in the arcade community also browse /vr/.

>>11907556
I always buy games I know I can resell for more. A rare prototype would be a nice find and I would make some nice pocket change. I'm not sure what your projected homosexual fantasies have to do with reselling.

>>11907526
How do you guarantee the fundraiser will pay as much as a buyer?

>>11903774
I agree with you in the way that Hard4Ga..mes made that huge deal about busting open a slabbed NES Starwars Commercial "Demo" that was so 100% identical to the commercial release that all the Game Genie cheat codes work on it.
He shit on a collector that died in that video.
I get wanting access to unreleased media, but to shit your self over a same as final demo that was shipped out to reviewers is retarded.

>>11903857
>Just care about all of it
Have you ever tried having a thread about MiSTer here? Fuck you. If I can't come here and have conversations with people about customizing my MiSTer and what's the latest news and updates because of assholes that are constantly on here and you want me to JUST CARE ABOUT EVERYTHING... Fuck you.

>>11907556
>The point is, why are these fags buying them in the first place? If it was a genuine fan or hobbyist, the item itself would be the personal treasure, even after you dump it. If you are holding on to it purely for value potential, its no different then the sealed graded game fags that have no actual interest in the medium and just got into it for the money.
Why are you bitching and crying? What purpose does it serve?

>>11907556
Just because they have one treasure doesn't mean they want more.
>buy proto for $X
>sell proto for $Y
>buy another proto for $Y+/-$Z
Or
>buy proto for $X
>sell a public dump for $Y
>buy another proto for $Z, using $Y

>>11907485
The point is that the situation ended in the best possible way. There was a new dump out of it, when it could've easily been not the case.

>>11907660
>doesn't mean they don't want more
Ops. But yeah, things cost money, and while formal "preservation societies" have a platform and notoriety to run donation drives, individual prototype buyers don't have such a platform, so the only way for them to reliably recoup costs is to hold dumps "hostage" to guarantee that people actually donate, instead of just publicly posturing with "wow thanks so much for sharing, I want to donate for your efforts!!" but then actually donating $0.

This kind of marketing is lost.

2000 to 2015 is this really weird period for arcade gaming. Millennial Kids abandoned arcades. Then around 2015 ish..... the now grown up Millennial college kids started asking about Arcades again, and acted surprised that all the old arcade machines were gone.

A few years ago, I was talking to a guy who said he gonna visit an arcade again for his 30th birthday and was gonna take his nephews with him. But afterwards he came to me upset and complained. He said stuff like "wtf happened to arcades? Where's Metal Slug? Where's Street Fighter? Where's Marvel VS Capcom? I wanted to show my nephews those awesome games. Etc etc "

I had to tell him "Dude like what did you expect? All your old favorite arcade machines would just sit in a perfect time capsule for you to return? No man. They got rid of them YEARS ago. "

He was absolutely stunned and surprised. Then asked me what did they do with the old arcade cabinets. I had to tell him they probably threw most of them in the dumpster. My friend looked absolutely heart broken, and said that if he had known then he would have saved some of them himself and put them in his house.

Millennials genuinely did not know about saving arcade cabinets and what happens to old machines.

>>11907516
I mean Raw Thrills isn't bad. But if you dislike them, then this Walmart has DDR.

>>11903767 (OP)
I remember at least three cases of people doing a crowdfunding in order to preserve lost video games, with one ending well (Cooly Skunk) and the other two getting foiled at the very last moment (Rockman X Interactive's design documents, Indy: the Magical Kid).

>>11903880
The guy that posted those screenshots revealed these are fake and that he was just trolling.
https://www.sonicstadium.org/forums/topic/13612-was-knuckles-a-red-sonic-in-the-prototype-of-sonic-3-probably/

>>11907093
SNK 40th Anniversary Collection documents the game but doesn't actually let you play it. Weird.

>>11907901
SNK probably doesn't have the ROM either lol.

>>11907285
ALL of them? No, that's not possible.

>>11907516
>furfag image
opinion discarded

>>11907759
Those pads are guaranteed to be malfunctioning.

>>11907838
It is a bad idea to crowdfund before the thing is obtained. It just draws too much attention. It makes some people seethe, but the best method is one person or a small group of people pooling together to get the thing privately, then releasing the ROM once enough money is raised to sufficiently offset the cost.

>>11907947
Don't forget
>not retro

I would consider the cancelled Croteam Doom 4 to be lost media, I really doubt Shithesda will ever publicly release any info about it. It would of been so fucking good /vr/os...

>>11907275
Well why would you hoard a niche puzzle game in the first place?
At this rate, you're just an Nintendo of America employee assuring there's no momentum for the series they relabeled so endlessly.

>>11908071
That's not lost, it's never been made/complete.
I doubt a beta cart exists out there though

A GBA sequel to the GBC game Warlocked. A proto was sold on AG like 15 years ago for like $400 and no one has seen it since.

>>11908071
>If, by chance, you've been wondering what happened to Mega Man: Anniverasary Collection on GBA (previously called Mega Man Mania), well, there's some good news and bad news. According to the game's producer at Capcom, the reason the game has suffered such lengthy delays (it was due out more than a year ago) is because they had trouble locating the game's original source code, causing programming difficulties and causing portions of code to be rewritten from scratch. However, the producer stated that the game - which includes the Game Boy versions of Mega Man 1 through 5 - is still coming, although he wouldn't confirm that it was still for GBA. A change of scenery to the DS may be in order.
Play Magazine, August 2005, Page 011.
https://archive.org/details/UneditedPLAY_marktrade/PLAY_44u/page/n11/mode/2up

>>11904402
>Sega are retarded cunts and probably didn't preserve anything from the AS-1 era. I don't need to play them again in a motion simulator, I just want to fucking watch them.

Hey anon. Good news. Someone discovered a Sega AS-1 machine in a Ukranian junkyard. Then put it up for sale. Then a person bought it.

>>11908791
It's definitely seen better days. The machine is going to need a ton of restoration work to get going again. But there's the possibility of getting it working again.

>>11908795

>>11905026
Imagine how you'd feel if someone from another culture came over and just started saying "gib me".

>>11906345
It's basically a form of digital architecture.

>>11907247
For me it's "tech demo".

>>11907625
So if you had a proto of an unreleased game, you wouldn't take the initiative to get it atleast dumped, then either sell or keep the original physical afterwards? If you would only buy a proto just for the monetary value and as a hobbyist of the medium, never want to see it made available for anyone else when its fully within your ability to do so, that's pretty faggy. I would be more understanding if it was just someone buying them up purely for value and had no interest in the medium. I personally dont give a fuck about playing 99% of unreleased games, but I have dumped a few computer games that were unavailable outside of owning the physical copies, because there really is no excuse not to contribute to the pool of available resources if you have something that is yet not available, especially if you actually cared to begin with. Otherwise you are just dick wagging to hype up your "investment".

>>11908959
>because there really is no excuse not to contribute to the pool of available resources if you have something that is yet not available.

But what if I don't WANT to?

>>11908973
Then you're an asshole and probably deserve to have bad things happen to you I guess?

>>11908385
>muh source code

It's not rocket science to colourize GB games even without the source code.

>>11908959
No one is required to share what they own. That's fine. I get it. However I'm against people making videos and showing them off. That's just attention seeking.

>>11908959
>>11909023
Galloping Ghost Arcade has rare and one of a kind arcade machines. They dumped the roms and have digital backups of everything (including on cloud servers). But they won't share the backups with the rest of the internet. Does that make them assholes?

Why can't you just be happy that the arcade machine is preserved somewhere. Not everything must be playable through Mame or emulators. You are just obsessing over what you don't have.

>>11909034
>Why can't you just be happy that the arcade machine is preserved somewhere. Not everything must be playable through Mame or emulators. You are just obsessing over what you don't have.
This 100%. I'm sick of these greedy poorf4gs demanding free stuff while pretending it's in the name of preservation. There are tens of thousands of games to choose from on emulators. The poorf4gs don't need "Super Mario Cart 64 Beta Build 134" where the color of the tires are slightly more blue compared to the retail release.

>>11909034
Yeah I'd say so

>Why can't you just be happy that the arcade machine is preserved somewhere
What difference is there in something being lost forever and something being locked up by a collector who has no intention of sharing it?

>>11903774
Arcade games all suck because they are always explicitly designed around being so difficult that you have to pay up.

>>11909064
>What difference is there in something being lost forever and something being locked up by a collector who has no intention of sharing it?

Except it's not. You can fly to Chicago and play it. It's open to the public.

>>11909064
The difference is that they bought the item. It's called private property. If they didn't buy the item, it would have been lost or thrown out. Most of these items are found at flea markets. Sometimes they are found in the bottom of some random box of old office supplies.

>>11909151
What happens when the arcade breaks down? What happens when a fire breaks up? What happens when the one flashdrive they promise the backup is on is gone?

>>11909161
You defend Nesquik too, don't you?

It's very simple.

>Sharing a game online has minimal impact to the owner (they keep their original copy, and most times people offer to dump the game on their own meaning they'd have to do literally no work on their part except give permission)
>Sharing the game has maximal benefit to society (people can learn and study a game, it is preserved forever, and it can be spread far and wide, including far into the future, ideally forever, impacting generations and countless people)

When you have the option to do something that would allow for incredible good at absurdly minor cost to yourself, and you actively choose not to do it, you're an asshole. It's that simple.

>>11909050
Caring that something should be available for everyone is the contrary of being selfish.
You know what's selfish though? Saying things like "I don't care about things so nobody else should!"

>>11909187
>Caring that something should be available for everyone is the contrary of being selfish.
You don't seem to understand that you never had access to these things to begin with. You were never an employee of the company. Just because you want it doesn't mean you have the right to it.

>>11909197
See >>11909175

Even worse than people who don't share their ROMs are people who aren't willing to pay for these ROMs. You can't get a group of people together, each of whom is willing to give up like $25, to fund a dump? You realize that most prototypes aren't obtained for free in the first place.

>>11908379
Looks interesting

>>11909210
Well we would fork up cash for it, but if you're gonna be like this bald fag >>11905559
pretending this is going to be worth billions, you got some severe issues.

>>11909175
>What happens when the arcade breaks down?

They fix it.

>What happens when a fire breaks up?

Exceptionally rare. 90% arcades are destroyed when being thrown out or tossed in the dumpster.

But Galloping Ghost has sprinklers and a nearby fire department.

>What happens when the one flashdrive they promise the backup is on is gone?

They have multiple backups including off-site backups and cloud storage.


Whatelse you got?

>>11909230
What happens when the owner has a sudden heart attack?

>>11909236
Well since the Galloping Ghost arcade is fully paid off AND he owns the land, then the owner probably has a Will which states what happens to the business in the event of his death.

>>11909175
>>Sharing a game online has minimal impact to the owner (they keep their original copy, and most times people offer to dump the game on their own meaning they'd have to do literally no work on their part except give permission)

Then why aren't you flooding the social media of companies like Sega and Nintendo, and demand they hand over their beta copies for "preservation" ? If you are correct, then I'm sure companies would be happy to help you.

>>11905026
Dunno where you are getting your info, but Team Japump has put a ton of effort into getting games dumped and shared with the rest of the world. And prior to starting eXa-Arcadia, ShouTime was a prolific JP dumper who supplied many dumps to the community.
There are two hurdles to getting JP games dumped. First off, software piracy is considered a major crime in Japan and can get people 20 years in prison or worse. Not many people are willing to take the risk just to get people free games. Second, the JP dumpers are stuck dealing with some real cunt hoarders, and the western community has repeatedly fucked them over in their dealings with those hoarders. Here's what happens:
>JP hoarder has only known copy of X arcade PCB
>JP dumpers make some sort of deal with the hoarder to get it dump, swearing to the hoarder they won't release the dump until after the hoarder has sold the board because the hoarder is scared it will lose value once the ROMs are public
>JP dumpers share the ROMs with the rest of the community
>westerners like Guru immediately posts all the ROMs publicly with the message "fuck hoarders lol"
>JP hoarders are pissed off, tell JP dumpers they will never share another PCB for dumping
>JP dumpers: WTF guys, you said you wouldn't share it until we said it was safe!
>now JP dumpers don't bother sharing the ROMs until it's 100% safe so they don't lose the trust of the hoarders

80% of the IBM PC MIA before it was pruned was Japanese releases, btw.

>>11909298
>JP dumpers make some sort of deal with the hoarder to get it dump, swearing to the hoarder they won't release the dump until after the hoarder has sold the board because the hoarder is scared it will lose value once the ROMs are public
>JP dumpers share the ROMs with the rest of the community

Here's the problem. Why didn't the "JP Dumpers" wait until the hoarder sold off the board, before sharing the roms with the rest of the community?

Sounds like a JP problem

>>11906410
>To this day no one knows wtf was going on with that old man
I can explain his logic pretty clearly.
>people are talking about this thing being the only ONE left!
>if I get my hands on it, I could charge money to people interested in seeing it
>plus I might be able to get famous as the only person who has it
>this is a brilliant plan, I am so cunning
>I robbed you? lol, should have gotten it in writing, stupid kids
>I'm so clever, look at what I have, it's the only one that exists!
>why is everyone yelling at me and calling me a monster?
>fucking annoying kids won't leave me alone
>that's it, I'm gonna destroy this thing, fuck everyone
>everyone is an asshole but me!
>I had a great plan to pay for my retirement and now I have nothing
>I'm gonna go lobby my politicians for more money for retiree's and cut benefits for those damn selfish brats
If you don't get the logic, then you don't understand the disconnect between the modern generations and the boomers. Modern generations see someone doing some scummy rent-seeking behavior and say "that's fucked up". Boomers see it and say "Clever guy, that's a smart grift!" That's why you will always see some old people involved anytime something 'rare' pops up. "Don't trust anyone over 40" wasn't always a joke expression.

>>11909331
Because the rest of the community swore they would keep the roms under wraps since they had similar deals with western hoarders. It's the reason they don't share shit with Guru anymore.

>>11909339
>Because the rest of the community swore they would keep the roms under wraps since they had similar deals with western hoarders.
So the Japanese messed up then.

>>11909298
>>11909331
Yeah this is stupid. The hoarder should have sold it TO someone in the Japanese community. If the Japanese want the arcade board so bad, then they can pay for it and dump it themselves.

>>11909331
Sounds like the JP community mistakenly assumed that western insects would be as honorable and trustworthy like they are. Classic JP mistake

>>11907753
Your friend is an idiot and your sample size of one is not indicative of the entire cohort.
>Millennials genuinely did not know about saving arcade cabinets and what happens to old machines.
Utter nonsense.

>>11909489
Not that anon but most people have no idea what happens to old arcade cabinets. No one questions what happened to the Time Crisis 2 cabinet that got replaced by the Time Crisis 3 cabinet at your local arcade. Out of sight out of mind.

>>11907753
>Millennial Kids
They were gone by the time I was a kid

If you follow the JP proto hoarder scene at all, it's funny to see just how many of the big names are actually pretty ignorant when it comes to much of anything beyond simply acquiring and owning the things.

>>11909298
>There are two hurdles to getting JP games dumped. First off, software piracy is considered a major crime in Japan and can get people 20 years in prison or worse

That's draconian and so evil without even asking, not to mention just plain fucking stupid

>>11909541
Good thing I don't.

>>11909298
>First off, software piracy is considered a major crime in Japan
It's also a crime in the USA.

>>11909552
The retarded child said major crime

Every time I look at this thread it gets even worse. Like I said earlier, hoarders definitely suck and no, dumping and leaking a game prototype doesn't tank the value of the original cart (The sonic 1 prototype sold for like $16k and I believe it got dumped and released before the cart was sold at auction), but I'm more concerned about whether or not the game actually exists and is backed up. Playing it is just a neat bonus. If someone owns the cart and is keeping backups of the rom or maintaining the cart itself then I'm cool with that. Some of you are acting like not playing a game prototype is infringing on your rights or something. Even normal /vr/ threads are shit now. I give this board 3 years at best before it becomes dead.

>>11909690
What I think about hoarders is the following:
>"Preservation rights" shouldn't trump private property rights, and ultimately, if there's someone to be mad at, that one would be the copyright holder that couldn't bother to preserve the material they own

>>11909694
It's the sense of entitlement that these so called preservationists have that makes me not want to side with them. Yeah it sucks some people won't publicly dump games, but the preservationists they think they're owed a pre release build of a game because it's not the final game? You see it everywhere in lost media communities. People have sent death threats to people who worked on fucking TV pilots for toddlers because they have a work print or something. It's two sides with childish people throwing fits because one doesn't want to share and the other feels entitled to something they don't have.

>>11909650
What's the difference?

>>11909246
You wouldn't happen to be the owner, would you?

>>11909690
>>11909706
>It's the sense of entitlement that these so called preservationists have that makes me not want to side with them.

Firstly, I 100% agree with you. The gaming entitlement here is extremely strange. Beggars can't be choosers. If I were treated this way by some people, then I would rather destroy the game than give it to them. None of these people understand politeness or etiquette.

I once spent hours arguing with someone over Discord (( I didn't literally sit there for hours straight, but the argument continued over several days where I would periodically check in and reply)). Anyway, this person was hyper obsessed with buying a game from someone, but the seller changed their mind. He didn't understand that people have feelings and might change their mind if you piss them off. I kept repeating myself over and over using different analogies hoping he would understand, but he didn't get it. It was like talking to a robot stuck on one setting. So I gave up and thought this guy was an idiot.

Later on, someone messaged me privately. He told me that the person I was arguing with has genuine diagnosed autism, and shared this info with others. I was completely surprised. He also said that several other people in the gaming discord have autism too. That's when realized that 4chan joking about "autism" was not mere jest or memes. They literally were serious about autism. It made me realize for the first time that people with autism are drawn to gaming like a magnet. It explained why these people are unable to see the perspective of other people, and why none of my arguments about human feelings were getting through to them.

Now I genuinely wonder if some people here have autism. Some of what they say lacks common sense and just reeks of someone being obsessed with wanting to play a specific game.

>>11909706
The worst part of the whole thing is that the most vocal ones are typically the ones who don't actually do anything constructive. They have never dumped anything, they've never reached out to developers or retired press people or whatever (meaningfully, as in, professional, well-worded inquiries to establish rapport, not "hey u made this game send me the betas or i will break into your house" shit), and never contributed funds to people who work to acquire things. All they seem to be able to do is have melties, send threats, bitch and moan when other people don't get the exact things they want, or posture about what they WOULD do, IF they had a prototype, which is never put to the test because they never actually put themselves out to obtain something.
If anything this behavior just drives people away, because who wants to blow a few hundred on a prototype, dump it and share the ROM for free, only to supply a dopamine hit to a horde of entitled children who will probably still find a way to complain about things they're getting for free ("oh wow a proto of [Game]!?!? fuck it's a 75% complete build, the cut level I wanted to see was removed after the 60% build, welp guess this build is worthless! when are we getting the good stuff that *I* want to see???"). Sure, not every dumped prototype will be a "winner," but chances are very good that the "winner" protos are dumped by the same people who wind up accumulating several "losers" in the process (and are probably even more disappointed when something doesn't live up to their expectations and their money spent).

>>11909690
>>11909694
>>11909706
>>11909785
>>11909806
Hey rabbi, whatcha doing?

>>11909806
>>11909785
>My version of reality it's right!
>Trust the state!
>Gives us money
>You have no right to play games
>You will own nothing, and you will be happy!

Do you like dress up too?

>>11909845
I've dumped and released hundreds of discs, scanned cover art and manuals. And everything out of my own pocket. Go fuck yourself.

Robin Hood was the hero actually, sorry hoarders

>>11909851
I've dumped rare one-of-a-kind stuff online too, what's your point?

I bet if this were the 1920s you would demand the last copy of Nosferateu be burned because "it's the law"

>>11909861
No, I think that being an obnoxious motherfucker doesn't help anyone.

>>11909871
Woah dude, then wait until you hear about how hoarders act! That'll make you livid! >>11906410

You're a contrarian Anon. That's all it is. You know you agree mostly with people dunking on hoarders and calling them fags, but there's a part inside of you demanding to be the devil's advocate. Maybe because the position seems too easy. or maybe you just enjoy being the heel. Those are your demons to deal with. Either way, you decide to stand on the fence and try to make yourself come off as some smarter-than-thou person by taking an indefensible position.

>>11909893
>Either way, you decide to stand on the fence and try to make yourself come off as some smarter-than-thou person by taking an indefensible position.
I've better things to do than giving attention to some rich attention whore.

>>11909909
Than don't dickride for them in the thread and let people call them faggots.

>>11909914
Regardless the fact that the game was dumped...
https://www.timeextension.com/news/2022/11/the-epic-quest-to-save-the-final-ridge-racer-full-scale-cabinet-in-the-world
What course of action do you have for such cases besides giving them what they really crave for?
I'm really interested.

>>11909918
*Disregarding the

>>11909845
How much money have you spent to help preserve games?

>>11909918
Ever ridge racer full scale was unique.

>>11909942
And the particular unit we're talking about was dumped. What point are you trying to make?

>>11909969
The custom roms of the other games were lost forever

Rare game and prototype hoarders are evil. There's no real debate to be had. I don't even understand what their defenders are trying to say. "It's their right to be an asshole"?

>>11910105
How odd that the one unit owned by a hoarder turned out to be the one from which we have dumps...

>>11910107
I'm still waiting for your course of action.

>>11906410
why are boomers like this? day of the pillow when?

>>11908071

>>11903826
The fact not even hardcore collectors/arcades like Past Times can get their hands on these show how insane it be to get one. It hurts

>>11909718
One makes a child out itself as underage by asking "What's the difference?"
The other makes a child out itself as underage by asking "What's the difference?"

>>11910272
The only way to get one is to go to Japan in the 1970s, befriend a local, have them buy it for you, and them export the Pinball machine via boat shipping container. Or plane if you want to pay A LOT more.

>>11909334
I don't think you are wrong but I do have a question.

How do you know the guy just didnt hate the machine and wanted to make everyone miserable?

I feel like setting up a ridge racer full scale in his house seems like a far fetched idea. Where is he gonna put the machine? That machine is massive and would not fit inside an ordinary house. Especially with the car that the machine uses.

>>11903774
>Only a handful of collectors in Japan still have the arcade boards and they aren't sharing or dumping them.
tell me about them

>>11903767 (OP)
>HE EVEN HAD A BETA CART OF SPACEWORLD ZELDA 64

WHAT THE FUCK????

>>11903774
Nobody gives a shit about arcades.

>>11903767 (OP)

Everyone, let's take a moment to remember the Taito D3Bos ("D3 Boss"). It was Taito's competitor to the Sega R360. The D3Bos had a sealed cockpit for a more immersive experience. The machine was exported around the world. However it was very rare. And today not a single machine is left is in any arcade (that I know of) in the entire world. The roms haven't been dumped either.

If I'm wrong, then please feel free to let me know. I'd love to know if some arcade still has one in working condition.

None of have properly explained your obsessions with beta carts and vets versions of games. One anon said it helps with mods, but the rest of you aren't modders. So why do yiy care so much? And what is with this hyper obsession with finding betas of Nintendo games?

>>11911616
Some of the footage was recycled for Taito’s Laseractive games. And they were rides, not games.

>>11911740
I will explain in simple terms
1) If something is known to exist, and is not available, people will want it. It stops being interesting the moment it becomes available.
2) Most known "finished" games are available, therefore most "lost games" are known unfinished builds

>>11911616
I do you one better. This was Konami's answer to Sega R360. Really fun for racing games as the whole thing spun, tilted, and elevated. Unfortunately the Rom was never dumped and all machines have been destroyed or retired from arcades.

>>11911740
People find them interesting to see what was changed during development.
People like to find things which might be arguably better than the finished version, or at least different enough to be enjoyed on its own merits.
There's the excitement of seeing something rare, something which wasn't meant to survive. Prototypes were only meant to be seen by select groups of people, be they people who managed to get to a demo kiosk at a convention or an event at a store, gaming press, or even just the devs themselves.
They're a capsule of the period of time prior to the game's release, the hype, the devs' hope that the game will be a success. When you were a kid getting hyped to play an upcoming game, looking over screenshots and previews, these were the versions that actually existed. Sometimes, they might even be the exact versions previewed, so it's like those grainy screenshots and preview videos coming to playable life for the first time (for you, at least).
It's a way to experience a new, official version of a beloved game, akin to reexperiencing the game for the first time. I know for me, playing a prototype version of a game, even if it's only nominally different from release, recaptures some of that sense of wonder I felt when playing the game for the first time, because you don't know for sure what exactly is coming up next, and seeing those differences, be they small or large, adds a feeling of newness to something familiar.

Take your pick.

>>11912357
>There's the excitement of seeing something rare
>Prototypes were only meant to be seen by select groups of people
So basically you are a bunch of Peeping Toms and voyeurs?

>>11912391
Yes

>>11903789
>>11904928
Everything I've heard about Mother 3 on the N64 suggests that it was far from being finished. But a test cartridge is still out there somewhere.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211105014321/https://earthboundcentral.com/2010/12/interview-with-a-mother-3-debugger/

>>11903774
Dang. This looks pretty cool. What a loss.

>>11903767 (OP)
why does Nintendo like companies like Rare, Hudson Soft and Hal Laboratories so much? Is it because they are non-threatening to Nintendo because while they can make competent games the games aren't good enough to make Nintendo feel outshone? Sort of like how Presidents pick Vice Presidents.

>>11911740
Why do we owe you an explanation?

>>11912518
Apparently some Japanese youtuber (Koala something) is aware of people that own development carts but is not in the possession of one himself. Even if he was, he wouldn't upload it online out of respect for Itoi.

>>11912720
Nintendo was pretty close with Konami during the Famicom days too

>>11912720
HAL was 100% a better developer than any of Nintendo's internal teams in the 80s and 90s.

>>11912768
What did they make besides Kirby and Smash Bros. Seems mostly shit to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Laboratory#Games_developed

>>11912857
>besides Kirby and Smash Bros.
Let me guess: You need more?

>>11912898
well, I don't like those franchises

This is a weird thread. 80% of you didn't even talk about lost media. I enjoyed the posts about Ridge Racer Full Scale, Sega Pinball, lost SNK games, and a few other lost arcade games. But the rest of you don't belong here and are off-topic.

If I find a lost media in this thread, I actually spend time reading about it and researching it. I don't consider beta carts as lost media because it wad never released to the public to begin with. Items that actually were released to the public but have since been lost are far more interesting.

>>11904038
>confirmed to be fake
Retard, he literally posted video of it.

>>11903826
what special features did they have? they look pretty basic compared to some other Williams and even Bally machines

>>11904150
>>11904091
> machine is clearly switched off
> he's just trolling, guys!
that's not trolling, that's lying.

>>11913093
> posted a video of it
doesn't explain at all why he took a photo of his n64 running a game when the n64 didn't have the power on.

>>11913341
>doesn't explain at all why he took a photo of his n64 running a game when the n64 didn't have the power on.
But he did. He may have been lying, but you're definitely lying when you say he didn't. Which makes you even more of a faggot than him.

>>11913341
>that's not trolling, that's lying.
The TV is clearly connected to SOMETHING and playing video. And it's triggering you.

>>11903774
this nigger is seething over wanting a beta that is a fundamentally different game than release, while crying that no one saved the ten trillionth Tetris clone that made a grand total of 33,000 yen over its 4 month run in the back of an arcade the size of a stamp. I think both are important but one is definitely higher priority than the other and comparing them is retarded.

>>11913914
>beta that is a fundamentally different game than release
You don't know that. You have no idea what's on a beta until you play it.

>>11913939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnvVbdEs7c

im not usually into gate-keeping, but why are you even here? Trying to argue that the conker beta is the same as the finished game is like trying to argue the earth is flat. Are you this new? if so I have a super interesting fact for you about super mario brothers 2.

>>11913946
>this one beta cart that was very different === ALL beta carts are different
Terrible logic

>>11909023
Want everything, give nothing.

>>11909028
Fox grapes etc.

>>11913962
look at the op and report back anon, its almost like im trying to stay on topic.

>>11913982
>look at the op and report back anon
>Vidya lost media thread

Yawn

>>11914006
Sorry if that was too much to translate vikram

>>11913982
>its almost like im trying to stay on topic.
You want US to waste board space and hundreds of posts talking about why YOU can't play a beta version of "Conkers bad fur day"? Are you an idiot? This is a lost media thread. Not your personal Blog.

>>11914023
no, I just dont understand why its bad to want the Conker Beta to be released. Ive never seen retro game fans want to play an unreleased retro game less.

>>11914037
Not that anon but I think the other anons are saying that a beta never meant to be released to the public (which is probably very buggy and incomplete) takes less priority than games that were actually released but no one make backups for. Plus the arcade machines used to play them are either gone or very few are left. One example is Galaxian3 arcade. It's a huge 6 player arcade machine. Hundreds were manufactured and sold around the world. But only like 2 are left in the entire world. Pic related. And 1 of them is half broken with it being impossible to repair due to custom electronics, and the Japanese community refusing to share technical knowledge. They figured out a way to fix some of the fragile parts but refuse to share that knowledge with Western collectors. Which is extremely messed up considering Western fans are trying preserve a Japanese arcade game. They should be honored that the West wants to keep this game alive. But I guess the Japanese community doesn't see it that way.

I don't disagree with you that it would be nice for the beta of Conkers Bad Fur Day could be shared. But im not losing sleep over it. To me it's more of an oddity than an actual game. You could reach out to the collector who owns the beta cart and see if he's willing to share the game. Or at least share video of the gameplay with him playing it. But if he refuses to do it, then there's nothing else we can do but shrug our shoulders and move on. Not unless you are willing to do what some obsessed arcade collectors have done where they burglared into people's homes to get access to the game and dumped the ROM when the home owner wasn't around (yes it's happened). Otherwise we're kinda stuck. Just my thoughts

>>11914056
>it being impossible to repair due to custom electronics, and the Japanese community refusing to share technical knowledge. They figured out a way to fix some of the fragile parts but refuse to share that knowledge with Western collectors.

Why are the Japanese refusing to help?

>>11914056
>They should be honored that the West wants to keep this game alive.
i cringed so hard that i think i may have hurt myself in the process.

>>11914061
i wouldn't help this faggot either. anyway.. that anon is full of shit.

>>11914061
The Japanese collectors community do this weird thing where: "it's not enough for us to succeed, but others must fail too."

I don't know if there's a word for it. It's not hoarding exactly. But hoarding mixed with a desire to see others lose.. I guess it's greed or wanting to see the value of their arcade board go up. Or maybe they get pleasure knowing they are the last owners of an old arcade game.
All I can say is that they feel no innate desire to help. In fact it's the opposite, even with offers to pay them, they refuse.

If it were me and some random people from across the world reached out to me...asking for help to keep a game running that I built 40 years ago, then I would honestly feel very flattered. Especially knowing the game I made is still bringing joy to people decades later. Japanese don't see it that way.

>>11914081
or.. maybe.. just maybe.. you're american and you've completely forgot about how the japs actually hate you.

>>11914056
>They should be honored that the West wants to keep this game alive.
Why are Americans like this?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-is-a-game-publisher-trying-to-buy-every-video-game-ever-made/

>>11914156
You do realize that Galaxian3 is made by Namco right? And Namco is a Japanese company. Why wouldn't the Japanese want to help? It's THEIR game!

>>11914159
A riddle for the ages, certainly...

>>11914081
It's a mix of xenophobia and (conveniently self-serving) corporate cuckery.

>>11914178
That's very disappointing. I guess Japan can't become a worldwide business power with that attitude. They should be leaping for joy that people love their products and want to keep them running after the warranty is over.

>>11914156
This is some very strange dialog without any context. But he's not wrong. Video gaming started in the USA.

Sega was originally an American company that was sold to the Japanese.

>>11914085
Don't they love their Japanese arcade machines though?

>>11914056
I'm sure you're full of shit, but if I were these mythical japanese with secret mystic knowledge I'd refuse to share it just to watch faggots like you seethe like that.

>>11914692
>I'm sure you're full of shit, but if I were these mythical japanese with secret mystic knowledge

Mystic knowledge? Uh no. I could tell you exactly what's wrong technically with the arcade machine and what needs repairs. And what the Japanese arcade community has done to solve the issue, but deep down I don't think youcare.

>I'd refuse to share it just to watch faggots like you seethe like that.

I'm not sure what's wrong with your brain to come to such a conclusion.