Thread 11904381

Man I played through 5 missions of this with a guide and this shit is just something else, they really didn't have to make a game following 80s adventure game logic where everything also fucking kills you in a couple of hits. I mean it's hard as balls even with a damn GUIDE, the only thing I can say is that thank god there is no long term planning like in other survival horror games, you start each mission fresh and have to get through using whatever the game gives you. I feel like I'll go nuts if I play more than 1 or 2 missions a day. How many people here have actually beaten this? Genuinely curious

>>11904381 (OP)
I don't like horror games but my brother 100% this in about a month or two

>>11904381 (OP)
just play the superior PS3 remake

I started them but life got hectic.
I will start back but in general I like it.
Man PS3 and onwards despite being more graphically impressive they cant manage to be as creepy as PS2 games like these.

>>11904480
Thats better as a "I finished the OGs but want more".
The new american characters give it a more Until Dawn feel.

>>11904480
It'll _bore you to death! :)

>>11904381 (OP)
I often found the manual tips were more than enough to get through the game

>>11904381 (OP)
Siren 2 is the superior game.

Managed to beat a couple more missions, while still hard it feels like at least I got used to the game somewhat
>>11904705
>they cant manage to be as creepy as PS2 games like these
True
>>11904480
I will in the future, it looks good

>>11904705
>Man PS3 and onwards despite being more graphically impressive they cant manage to be as creepy as PS2 games like these.
The PS3 game is literally the same engine but with higher res and better lighting.

>>11904480
I like the pS3 more, but the 10 fps really kills it for me.

>>11904832
Anon I think they are talking about Blood Curse not the emulated version on PSN

It's a crap game, but the technology is really interesting. The scanned face textures are kino

If the rumors are true then Toyama intended it to be like The Tower of Druaga or Zelda 1, that's why it's so cryptic. It's basically a 'social game' so to speak so if you're using a guide you can pretend that it's 2003-2004 and whoever wrote it is your neighbor/friend who has the game or some shit

>>11904818
>Siren 2 is the superior game.

More like the harder game. At least in Siren 1 most of the shibitos were dumb farmers and few of them had pistols/rifles. Most of them only had knifes or hammers,so i used to take advantage of that and attack them from behind or run from them.

In Siren 2 most of the shibitos are smart soldiers, who have army weapons and use military strategies.

For me it was easier to defeat farmers than army soldiers.

I beat it on a rental when it was released, no guide, but there was one level I really didn't know wtf to do for while. From memory it was after a level at some construction site, in a park or something with a path and hill and a circular area.

>>11904818
God no

>>11905523
>beat it on a rental
>no guide
Do you have psychic abilities? Can you use sightjack irl?

>>11905483
>More like the harder game.
I breezed through Siren 2 while being stuck on Siren 1 for the longest time.

>>11906489
I would go over to an older siblings house on the weekend, rent Friday after school, play all weekend, literally. I would wake up early and go straight to the game and only take breaks to eat, walk the dog or watch the movie my sibling rented. I remember this took a long time, Stuntman also took a long time, remember failing many times on the Tuktuk and snowmobile levels. I just get into whatever I am doing and don't stop until I finish. Remember my friend going crazy because I beat MGS on all difficulties from Normal up and got all items in one sleepover. Anyways, did any other games use the face mapping that this game did? It was so kino and so cool seeing realistic Japanese faces in a game. Made it so real and scary as fuk because it felt like real people and real ghosts. The dude in the waterway saying 'Kagi... kagi...' while looking for the key sticks with me.

>>11904381 (OP)
Played it when it came out, hated it
Played it last year, hated it even more. It's hard to truly comprehend how bad of a game it really is. I'd rather play Call of Juarez 2, or Vin Diesel's Wheelman, shit I'd rather play Haven: Call of the King than play Siren

>>11906785
>I just get into whatever I am doing and don't stop until I finish
I'm the same anon, I remember beating Phantasy Star 1 in one sitting.
Been playing a lot today by the way, beat a crapton of missions. I think the most difficult so far was the school one and also the one that you have to clear in 1:55 as Akira Shimura, ironically both Reiko and Akira are my favorite characters so far

I know people who are big into horror games they were really excited to play it but both dropped it almost immediately saying it was too hard and too clunky. Neither of them are the type to give up easily so I think this must be a really frustrating game. I still want to play it for myself an Asian horror fans, I’m thinking on the PS5, maybe that’d be less clunky

>>11908146
>I’m thinking on the PS5, maybe that’d be less clunky
It's just a port or an emulated version, basically the same as the original
>Neither of them are the type to give up easily so I think this must be a really frustrating game
Calling it a really frustrating game is an understatement. You pretty much need a video guide if you want to get at least some enjoyment out of the game beyond 'muh East Asian horror vibes'. I like the game overall but I sincerely don't know what Toyama and co were thinking. As some people have already stated it genuinely feels like an 80s adventure game with early 2000s graphics and combat that makes every enemy encounter feel like a fucking boss fight due to how shitty it handles

>>11906809
What's wrong with Bound in Blood. I played a few hours of the original and it was a decently fun cowboy skeeter and I'm not even big on the Western genre in any medium. Still plan to finish it some day and play 2, then Gunslinger which the demo for it was fun as fuck.

Fucking beat it, all archives. God this game is brutal and tedious but everything that's not gameplay is top notch, it's a very disturbing game but I expected no less from the man who made Silent Hill 1. But yeah playing this just felt miserable even with a guide. The funny thing is that a couple changes would've made this game SO much more bearable
>+1 checkpoint on each mission
>secondary objectives stay done and you keep the archives upon death
>optional: you don't have to finish the mission once you get an archive or do a secondary objective, you can just exit to the stage select screen and keep everything
Because some of the missions are just infuriating: the school and the hospital ones, the entirety of day 3 (especially the one where you play as both Suda and Tamon Takeuchi) and also Harumi's missions aka Siren on European Extreme. The final mission can also go to hell and the fact that you have to do it twice doesn't help, absolute crapshoot

>>11904381 (OP)
I got bored pretty fast, it was just a kot of stumbling in the dark.
Wasn’t even scary, hard to be scared when i can’t see the shit supposed to be scaring me.
Atmospheric is a meme term to call something boring, boring but you also wanna suck its cock for some reason.

The fact that Siren has a map but the game doesn't even show your location on it just shows that every bit of this turd was designed specifically to piss you off and be as annoying as humanly possible. It's literally the definition of antifun and don't give me that
>it's realistic
crap because SH1 and Siren 2, both Toyama games, have regular video game maps that show your current position

Definitely the kind of game that deserves a decompilation in order to mod it into being fun.

>>11911404
The game is supposed to be the way it is, the guy who mentioned Druaga and Zelda in this thread is spot on because, believe it or not, the former was a legitimate inspiration for Siren
>A trailblazing action RPG in which a golden knight called Gil must climb a giant, 60-storey tower. Each floor has hidden conditions to trigger the appearance of treasure chests, such as "defeat two black slimes", and not being able to beat the game without finding them was a challenge put to the players. Due to its high difficulty, hardcore gamers frequently exchanged tips in real time, creating a "gaming urban legend" that it had been beaten by putting a cardboard box around the screen (to increase concentration; though this really happened). It surpasses the world of a game, causing a flood of realistic and complex emotions... This definitely looks like what Mr. Toyama was aiming for with Siren, by letting the internet enjoy that passion. (Kobayashi)
This game was designed to be played with outside help but sadly the only way to have an 'authentic' experience nowadays is to make your friends who've never played the game also play it and then share your discoveries with each other. I can picture 2channers having a blast with this shit in 2003

>>11911435
I respect that sort of design philosophy. Even though as an adult it's hard to put that much time into a single game. And also that sort of thing leads to some high highs, but also some low lows when something disappoints

>>11911474
True. By the way I still haven't played 2 but I've heard that it's not a guide game and you can finish it on your own no problem

>>11909138
Would you say it's even worth playing or, Lord forgive me for asking this, just watch a playthrough?

I'm playing through the game right now, I love the atmosphere and sight jack mechanic, but it's such a slog despite that. It's just not fun following a guide to the letter, and then still dying to one of three snipers you are supposed to keep track of

>>11911474
Any attempt at this kind of "crowd sharing" information after 1995 just turns into "look up the guide/wiki online". It only works in a world without internet, which makes it being the design philosophy for a 2003 PS2 game extra baffling and stupid.

>>11911913
It probably worked out better in early 2000s Japan than it did in the west, being a tiny island nation probably made it so it would be faster to run into someone that played the game vs someone that didn't. But that made it fall flat on its face in the west unless the sole intention was to sell strategy guides.
Its also still annoying that this was the only Siren game that got an NTSC-U release, but the sequel that is a full on improvement over the original is JP/PAL onry.

>>11911590
Completely honest opinion and truth nuke ahead: it's worth playing through only to award yourself with the 'I'm not a poser' badge, if you are used to slogging through games with genuinely bad to mediocre gameplay just for 'the vibes' then go ahead. But if you just want to sit down and enjoy a video game then no, it's not worth it in the slightest and you are better off either watching a playthrough on Youtube or a couple J Horror flicks instead. Anyway if you still decide to play it:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zF7wLHie1A&list=PLC6F3070F48167A4B
This playlist has all the missions done with 100% archives and secondary objectives, you'll never have to replay anything if you just follow this. Notice how 10+ years later the guy who uploaded all that is still in the comment section helping people out lmao, that's cool
>https://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/topic/275061-siren-siren-maniac-guide/
If you are going for 100%, archive list for each mission, not really essential but useful for double checking
>>11911658
You have to push through anon
>>11911913
Well there were no guides when it came out but yeah, I despite this phrase but I have to admit that some of the aspects of this game... didn't age really well. The game also sometimes wants to 'seep into' real life, take pic related for example, this was actually a website you could visit, it was a fake forum and you could find Suda's posts in it which explain why he decided to visit the village in the first place

>>11911979
I mean that occultland website sounded like a cool idea...but the problem with something like this is that you are also relying on a group of fans to archive information from the site before the servers shut down. Otherwise that backstory and information is just gone and lost to time.

>>11912029
Yeah, hence I said that some stuff about the game didn't age well

>>11906809
Filtered

Sightjacking a shibito and seeing yourself is probably the only thing in all of horror vidya that comes close to the moment when ghosts start appearing outside the dream world in SH4 and Fatal Frame 3

By all accounts this game fucking sucks but something about it is calling me… I guess I still need to see for myself just how bad it is. I did try the demo for Slitterhead and it was terrible. The sightjacking was in there as a throwback meme I guess. I was deeply disappointed by it. Siren has to be better than that

>>11912930
SIREN is a series that you will either love in spite of its flaws or absolutely hate. There is very little middle ground. Unrelated but I did like Slitterhead, though the story is pretty underwhelming in the second half.

>>11908146
SIREN on PS5 is just the PS2 original being emulated. It's not a remaster or enhanced port, outside of added in Trophy support its basically the same experience, warts and all. For a more accessible experience you'll either have to emulate Forbidden Siren 2 since it has an easy modo, or you'll want to play the shorter, streamlined, far easier PS3 remake. Some things are lost in the remake though and the framerate goes to shit whenever you use sight-jacking, which is basically the main mechanic of the game.

>>11912930
Try it anon. It's one of the scariest survival horror games, if not THE scariest one and it's also very damn hard. It's a really, really tense experience and I'd say it only feels rewarding and relieving beating a mission if you're following a guide, because otherwise you literally can't know that you've missed some secondary objective and thus will always dread reaplying missions over and over again. And trust me, those missions are hard and frustrating, you can't just explore and search for stuff because you'll get killed in no time and like 80% of the time you just can't see shit in the dark. I've already said this in one of my posts but most enemy encounters feel like mini bosses and enemies also get up after a short perdiod of time, you can't kill them. Exploring on your own without a guide is just out of question in this game unless you want to spend months playing Siren exclusively