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Anonymous No.11907281 >>11907304 >>11907374 >>11907562 >>11907730 >>11907786 >>11908072 >>11908128 >>11908430 >>11908440 >>11908449 >>11908476 >>11909869 >>11910004 >>11912824 >>11915318 >>11915603 >>11915996 >>11920753
Are these the most controversial character redesigns? Were you mad at the time they got redesigned?
Anonymous No.11907291
I was too obsessed with Sonic games to complain about the way he was designed. Cause really the Sonic redesign is very subtle, it's really not a big deal.

I hadn't played any Zelda game at that point, but even I noticed and raised my eyebrow at Toon Link
Anonymous No.11907304
>>11907281 (OP)
Sonic looks pretty cool. It's a good redisgn. Link is questionable, but I guess they just wanted to change things up a bit.
Anonymous No.11907309 >>11907330 >>11915993
Toon Link is timeless.
Anonymous No.11907330
>>11907309
Lmao
Anonymous No.11907374
>>11907281 (OP)
> Were you mad at the time they got redesigned?

I wasnโ€™t mad because I had already moved on from Nintendo at that point. Gen 3-5 was peak Nintendo and everything after has been a cargo cult caricature.
Anonymous No.11907395 >>11907397 >>11907425 >>11907553
Attitude era sonic was based.

>n-no he was le cringe

No zoomer, you just had to be there. He was the prelude to an era defined by Linkin Park, Xbox Live, Five Gum, Tony Hawk, and SoBe. He was a herald of things to come. If you werenโ€™t there you wouldnโ€™t get it.
Anonymous No.11907397 >>11907408
>>11907395
Sonic was already a has-been baby cringe mascot by then
Anonymous No.11907408 >>11909054
>>11907397
In everything after the Dreamcast yeah, but Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 have been vindicated by history.
Anonymous No.11907425 >>11907431 >>11907535
>>11907395
a herald of pure cringe to come maybe.
>b-but what came later was worse
yeah no shit, that doesn't mean i have nostalgia for the fake and gay edge larp era either.
Anonymous No.11907431
>>11907425
So what do you like? Lame cereal mascot?
Anonymous No.11907535
>>11907425
The 90โ€™s was peak, but the edge era was better than the zoomer doomer gay social media meta of today
Anonymous No.11907553
>>11907395
Attitude era Sonic is the zoomer Sonic of choice, they're making video essays on why Adventure is better than boomer Mega Drive Sonic
Anonymous No.11907562 >>11907567 >>11908139 >>11915337
>>11907281 (OP)
>most controversial character redesigns
Step aside.
Anonymous No.11907567 >>11915337
>>11907562
Nobody cared about Crash at that point.
Anonymous No.11907730 >>11907772
>>11907281 (OP)
Link isn't really a character redesign
Anonymous No.11907772 >>11907781
>>11907730
Aonuma very clearly tried to make it one anyway.
Anonymous No.11907781 >>11907784 >>11907862
>>11907772
Given that TP was in development at the time that the post-WW toon link games were coming out, I think it's pretty clear that toon link was intended to effectively be a separate character
Anonymous No.11907784 >>11908039
>>11907781
Also worth noting that almost every link in each mainline zelda game is a separate character. It's like saying oot link is a redesign of alttp link
Anonymous No.11907786 >>11907791
>>11907281 (OP)
In my honest opinion, chibi link is less damaging than tall autistic sonic. Chibi link creates a different style of Zelda vibe. He's used in minish cap, phantom hourglass, spirit tracks, link between worlds. The 2d/non mainline thematic change after windwanker created the split was used very craftily. Where as, tall autistic sonic pretty much killed the franchise, despite the inevitable sonic game being developed every few years. It's a hollow shell of a sonic, like if he saw Hiroshima and Nagasaki first hand and just wallows away in the fields like an automaton. Sa1/2 are so janky and fucked up and completely change the tone of the sonic paradigm.

The first three sonic games had a feeling that no other sonic games can capture. Sonic advance gets in the ballpark and that mania game hit some notes, but the reason sonic fans are adamant about our stance, is because of how well crafted sonic 1-3 were. Absolutely rock solid experiences all the way through. Well designed and tight. Great music that puts most other games osts to shame and controls that are easy to pick up, but hard to master. Mario 1/3 and sonic 1-2 are the epitome of platformers, because they groove rhythmically with their mechanics as a presentation. Each gear fits in its place and is finely oiled to create the perfect amount of friction. Anyways.... Nu-sonic just doesn't touch what old sonic had.

I think Zeldas nu-windwanker style has more going for it than the myriad of nu-sonic styles. From SA to heroes to whatever the fuck sonic 06 is. Or nu-windwanker style, which has been fairly coherently applied to the games that use it. It's created the perception of "ohh yeah, I'm definitely playing nu-Zelda". Whether you think it's good or bad, it's more solidified than sonics amalgamations. Also nu-sonic is a cuck.
Anonymous No.11907791
>>11907786
1-3*
Anonymous No.11907862 >>11907894
>>11907781
Except Toon Link which can apply to SIX different versions of Link because they tried to make it a thing. Even the art team eventually was under the assumption that handheld games HAD to use Toon Link.
Anonymous No.11907894
>>11907862
>tried
Anonymous No.11908039
>>11907784
Careful, youโ€™re gonna trigger the muh timeline autists
Anonymous No.11908040 >>11908046 >>11908231 >>11915340
I was surprised at negative reactions to Windwaker character design
It just looks like classic anime
Anonymous No.11908046 >>11908052 >>11912695
>>11908040
And it was well understood then that anime is for fags. Unfortunately, we lost our way and weeb shit became more socially acceptable.
Anonymous No.11908052 >>11908062
>>11908046
It's not just overseas, though. Even domestically, you can find Japanese people arguing about it.
https://greta.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/poverty/1656469382/
Anonymous No.11908062
>>11908052
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>It wasn't popular with you tasteless porn addicts, huh
kek
Anonymous No.11908072
>>11907281 (OP)
i've heard more people complain sonic's sprite from 3 than his adventure design
Anonymous No.11908128
>>11907281 (OP)
Nobody really cared about the sonic redesign because it wasn't that different but mostly because nobody really cared about sonic at that point in general. People would have liked the Link design more if it was connected to a better game and Nintendo hadn't already teased a completely different design that people liked more. It was jarring and the game sucked. People in general started to like that link because of Smash Bros, not because of Wind Waker.
Anonymous No.11908139
Their designs both fit perfectly within their own game, the problem is with the direction of the series itself and not their specific designs. Stubby Mega Drive Sonic would not fit into 3D games and realistic Link wouldn't fit into the more whimsical world of WW Zelda. There are unnecessary character redesigns that don't compliment an equivalent change in their series' new priority such as >>11907562 which is much more of an issue.
Anonymous No.11908231 >>11915583
>>11908040
>Nintendo decided to rip off this old anime instead of giving fans what they wanted
Why are they so retarded?
Anonymous No.11908430
>>11907281 (OP)
That isn't Sonic's redesign, it's Sonic X Sonic, which was a middle ground between the redesign and the classic style

SA Sonic was drawn to be a lanky black rapper, which turned off the fanbase
Anonymous No.11908440 >>11908462 >>11908470 >>11915596 >>11920773 >>11920775
>>11907281 (OP)
No these were not the most controversial redesigns. Modern Sonic was openly embraced and despite Toon Link's rocky start people came to love the little bastard. If we're talking about controversial redesigns then we need to discuss any of the assortment of cartoony platformers made into super serious edgy looking assholes to appeal to the dudebro demographic.
Anonymous No.11908449
>>11907281 (OP)
>most controversial character redesigns
Not even in the top 10.
Anonymous No.11908462 >>11908563
>>11908440
>Modern Sonic was openly embraced
really? because it's when sonic had one tenth of the fanbase he had before
Anonymous No.11908470 >>11908475
>>11908440
Holy shit. Talk about
>literally not Bomberman
Anonymous No.11908475 >>11908568 >>11920768
>>11908470
Anonymous No.11908476 >>11908498
>>11907281 (OP)
Castlevania went from Conan to 90's anime boy, to the style of SOTN (dunno what it's called), to cartoon style in the DS games, and then complete redesigns in Castlevania Judgement (that didn't stick)
Anonymous No.11908498 >>11908536 >>11908551 >>11917016
>>11908476
Anonymous No.11908536 >>11908538
>>11908498
Inaccurate. What in SOTN looks like that?
Anonymous No.11908538 >>11908549 >>11920831
>>11908536
the main character
Anonymous No.11908549
>>11908538
Post a picture of him
Anonymous No.11908551
>>11908498
Better in every way
Anonymous No.11908563 >>11908570 >>11908573
>>11908462
Sonic had a 10th the fanbase because.
1. There hadn't been a new mainline sonic game for half a decade until Adventure's release
2. Sega's market share had completely floundered
3. Sega's goodwill had been completely depleted with the god awful Sega CD, 32X, and Saturn. (Only one of those had a sonic game)
Not to mention a smaller fanbase doesn't mean that SA Sonic wasn't accepted. No one had a problem with sonic being slightly taller and skinnier. Hell most people didn't even notice the change.
Anonymous No.11908568 >>11908582 >>11908589
>>11908475
Sexo
Anonymous No.11908570 >>11908580
>>11908563
A lot of people didn't like SA. Mind you, I wasn't one of them I just found it meh. But it pretty much split the fanbase in half for a lot of reasons not just Sonics design, though it is something some oldshcool fans dislike
Anonymous No.11908571
I can recall when this post had 0 replies.
Anonymous No.11908573 >>11908580
>>11908563
>1. There hadn't been a new mainline sonic game for half a decade until Adventure's release
Sonic already lost a ton of relevance when Adventures came out.
Anonymous No.11908580 >>11908586 >>11908648
>>11908570
Yeah, Sonic's new character design wasn't what people soured on, it was the transition to 3d that did that. Anyone arguing the new character designs was controversial didn't actually live through the release of the Dreamcast

>>11908573
Yeah. That was my point. Do you lack basic reading comprehension?
Anonymous No.11908582
>>11908568
If only...
Anonymous No.11908586
>>11908580
It wasn't the main thing at all, but plenty people did dislike the redesign. It was very of the times, mainly in the actual artwork rather than in game, it'd be like if they made him today have broccoli hair.
Anonymous No.11908589 >>11908591 >>11919726 >>11920768
>>11908568
There's girl too.
Anonymous No.11908591
>>11908589
Anal
Anonymous No.11908648 >>11908880 >>11909857 >>11915601
>>11908580
I soured on the redesign. Sonic went for a more timeless visual design originally, overall he was basically like Felix the Cat but with a slight edge (most of the edge was seen with the overseas designs desu), the redesign on the other hand was very clearly a product of its time from top to bottom.
Anonymous No.11908880 >>11909994
>>11908648
>Sonic went for a more timeless visual design originally
Lol
Lmao even
Sonic's design was always dated. The fucker is based on Michael Jackson and Fucking Bill Clinton. You're a nostalgia blind retard if you think otherwise. Sonic was always a marketing gimic character, don't pretend otherwise.
Anonymous No.11909054
>>11907408
>vindicated by history
You mean by being trash 3D platformers?
Anonymous No.11909857
>>11908648
Right is so much more better and cooler
Anonymous No.11909869
>>11907281 (OP)
I was okay with Sonic's but didn't really like Link's.
Anonymous No.11909994 >>11909995 >>11910147 >>11916039
>>11908880
>it was always dated
You're not /co/, so you have no say. There's a reason you go to the Gas Station and there's a whole aisle of Sonic shit, and it's all the classic design only keeping the green eyes of nu-Sonic

Mickey Mouse isn't dated, and that's what Sonic was based on. SA artwork was based on Limp Bizkit album art, which is fucking dated and dorky, regardless of gen z being born in the wrong gen for the late 90s-early 00s

As an 89 baby I loved the 80s same way zoomers romanticize that shit, but I sure as shit know what aspects of the 80s are dated even if I like those aesthetics
Anonymous No.11909995 >>11910001
>>11909994
Mickey mouse is kiddy baby shit
Anonymous No.11910001 >>11910009 >>11915657 >>11915665
>>11909995
So what, Sonic is an e-rated game for little kids.

Limp Dickspit is poser baby shit, real men listen to thrash and death metal not old navy shopper 6th grade core
Anonymous No.11910004 >>11911704
>>11907281 (OP)
Toon Link is hysterical. Zelda fans actually think they were serious hardcore fantasy.
Anonymous No.11910009 >>11910017
>>11910001
Mickey is for babies sonic is for preteens
Anonymous No.11910017
>>11910009
I would say Sonic is for kids 5-12. And so were Disney cartoons in the 90s. You grew up with Frozen so you have no real idea about this era, you never even had Mickey Mouse be anything but some remnant of an age before your time, an icon and nothing more.
Anonymous No.11910147 >>11910202
>>11909994
I have no dog in this fight, but name dropping /co/ as a point of pride is an instant loss for whatever point youโ€™re trying to make.
Anonymous No.11910202 >>11910209 >>11915593
>>11910147
>namedropping the cartoon board is a loss for actually knowing about cartoon designs
Not really, that anon is clearly a 00s baby, so they know nothing of quality cartoons, that Sonic was based on
Anonymous No.11910209 >>11912630
>>11910202
Namedropping the shittiest and most autistic board on this site does not make Sonic look good.
Anonymous No.11911704
>>11910004
>hysterical
Maybe you don't know what that word means.
Anonymous No.11912630
>>11910209
>Namedropping the shittiest and most autistic board on this sit
out of the three boards i go to, that sounds more like this board ever since 6th gen was allowed
Anonymous No.11912682 >>11914303
Anonymous No.11912695
>>11908046
Anime website
Anonymous No.11912824 >>11915605
>>11907281 (OP)
>Sonic
Possibly the worst ever; I suspect that this cringey boomerish attempt at making Sonic cool is what attracted all the autisticians to the franchise who actually bought into this 5 year old's idea of "cool".
>Link
Obvious downgrade but still a great design in its own right.
Anonymous No.11912834 >>11915608
Initially liked Sonic redesign. Later came to accept it's basically a complete downgrade.
Initially hated WW Link. Later came to accept it's one of Link's best designs, though still not as good as Majora's Mask.
Anonymous No.11914303 >>11914671 >>11916029
>>11912682
Cooler than the original
Anonymous No.11914671
>>11914303
>I'm a fag
Yes
Anonymous No.11915318
>>11907281 (OP)
i was like 9
Anonymous No.11915323 >>11915619
Sonic's eyes turned green and autists were upset
Anonymous No.11915334 >>11915351 >>11920808
Westoids were absolutely fucking seething about Toon Link at the time. I never understood, it was a great design.
Anonymous No.11915337
>>11907562
sadly this >>11907567
people didn't complained enough because everyone moved on. Spyro however kept a bit of relevance until skylanders, after the remake i think most have moved on.
Anonymous No.11915340
>>11908040
ngl i always thought WW was creating a new artstyle inspired on the original sprites.
But then you see this and yeah...
Anonymous No.11915351 >>11915662
>>11915334
Maybe if you were 6 at the time it was a great design
Anonymous No.11915583
>>11908231
>giving fans what they wanted
You mean retarded trendchasers?
All the tolkien/tes hype dried out by the 2010s, and Nintendo immediately jumped back to Celda as soon as the new wave of anime hype began.
Anonymous No.11915593
>>11910202
>they know nothing of quality cartoons
and neither does /co/mblr
Anonymous No.11915596
>>11908440
I will never get the moaning about this redesign. Did tards actually think Hudson was completely dropping their primary mascot for this? It was a perfectly fun/funny concept for one game, just like with the new PacMan game coming out. They even did something similar again on PSP, but no one remembers that game. The issue was the gameplay itself was fucked and they made the retarded decision to only let you save your progress if you had xbox live.
Anonymous No.11915601 >>11915621
>>11908648
Sonic CD opening/OVA was the best Sonic design.
Anonymous No.11915603
>>11907281 (OP)
Even as a child I had better shit to worry about, so not really.
Anonymous No.11915605 >>11915607 >>11915617
>>11912824
>the autisticians
They're all tendies that got invested into the series once the anime, the Sonic Adventure/Genny ports, and the Dimps saga were put on Nintendo territory.
There was no such thing as a Sonic autist before the years of 2002 to 2003.
Anonymous No.11915607 >>11915632
>>11915605
>s-sonic autists are only from nintendo!
It's sad you probably actually believe this
Anonymous No.11915608
>>11912834
>though still not as good as Majora's Mask.
Even though it's just an edgy oot concept art style.
Anonymous No.11915617 >>11915636
>>11915605
Literally the ultimate lifeform of lolcows, was a pre-Nintendo Sonic autist.
Anonymous No.11915619 >>11915636
>>11915323
Not retro+was overconflated cow drama from a pokemonfag obsessed with family guy jokes.
Anonymous No.11915621 >>11915631
>>11915601
*most pretentious
Anonymous No.11915624 >>11915643
No mention of Crash's redesign after Twinsanity?
Anonymous No.11915631 >>11915638
>>11915621
It was the perfect blend of the appealing elements of the original and Adventure styles.
Anonymous No.11915632
>>11915607
>>s-sonic autists are only from nintendo!
Correct, the Sonic scene was just like any fandom in the 90s until the manchild hoard got their clutches on the GCN port.

and the GCN generation was the home for mega sperg Nintendo fans like the eternal Meleefag or Hoenn degenerates. It's impossible to not see the link to the patient zero.
Anonymous No.11915636
>>11915617
>>11915619
Anonymous No.11915638 >>11915650
>>11915631
You mean the awful redesign only fawned by American weebs who watch only Dragon Ball and Ghibli?
Anonymous No.11915643
>>11915624
They were not that bad, the gameplay for Titans/Mutants Crash just sucked compared to the old and prior ones
Anonymous No.11915650 >>11915661
>>11915638
Explain whats wrong with it.
Anonymous No.11915657
>>11910001
>real men listen to thrash and death metal
Real men listen to whatever is playing on the radio on their way to work because they donโ€™t actually care about music.
Anonymous No.11915661
>>11915650
Spikes are too upwards/too short
Looks like a low budget gag character
Too animator friendly
Flips the bird and cuss
Gayish voice actor

Not my Sonic, at least the japs were doing just fine when they were working on AoSTH
Anonymous No.11915662
>>11915351
Different anon, I was 12 and I liked it.
Worth noting that I'm not American so I don't think that liking anything that isn't macho tough guy edgelord schlock makes you gay.
Anonymous No.11915665
>>11910001
Caring about music means you're gay, simple as that
Anonymous No.11915993 >>11916732
Nobody cares about sonic's redesigns outside of hyper autists.

Toon Link fucking sucks (I actually like how most of WW looks, link and zelda's designs are just terrible) and the worst part is those aren't even the low points; the LA remake/echoes of wisdom designs are atrocious.

>>11907309
Lol no, even nintendo dumped the design. Had it not been for the "everyone is here" initiative for smash ultimate, toon link would have been gone for well over a decade now. Nintendo used either BotW or an amalgamation of TP/SS's links in their promotional material.
Anonymous No.11915996 >>11916014
>>11907281 (OP)
Why aren't his arms blue?
Anonymous No.11916014
>>11915996
Some idiot thought neon green was better. Feels like a parody of someone drawing him by just going off a bad description.
>um yeah he's an elf kid with a green outfit and tights on idgaf
Anonymous No.11916029
>>11914303
Go to bed, Kojima.
Anonymous No.11916039 >>11918701
>>11909994
>SA artwork is based on Limp Bizkit album art
You mean the second Limp Bizkit album, which is the cover that the Limp Bizkit logo is also based on, which kind of vaguely looks like the Sonic Adventure cover art if you don't know anything from the late 90s but Sonic and Limp Bizkit?

Yeah, that album came out 7 months after Sonic Adventure released in Japan with the spinning Sonic design on the cover. Nice try at making some shit up though, it almost makes sense.
Anonymous No.11916440 >>11917023
Another thread reminded me of the recent modern Battletoads game and how they butchered the Dark Queen (and the toads to a lesser extent)
Anonymous No.11916732
>>11915993
>EoW
Anonymous No.11917016
>>11908498
Pic would make a lot of sense if Rondo Drac was in SotN
Anonymous No.11917023
>>11916440
Nobody but fart fetishists talk about that game, shit's mad forgettable.
If they wanted to pander to boomer Rare fans, all they have to do is what they did with the Killer Instinct crossover.
Anonymous No.11918701
>>11916039
This looks cool, why are boomers mad about it?
Anonymous No.11919726
>>11908589
This is cool
Anonymous No.11919943 >>11920713
Reminder that the last mainline toon-style Zelda game was Spirit Tracks in 2009.
Anonymous No.11920713
>>11919943
I'm glad the toon link era is over
Anonymous No.11920753
>>11907281 (OP)
No I never has a Genesis growing up so I wasn't that attached to Sonic. And I started with Sonic Adventure 2 Battle and it was the coolest fucking shit in the world to 11 year old me. I wanted soap shoes and everything.

I never really got attached to OoT much either before Gamecube for some fucking reason it completely slipped past me despite being the perfect age for it. Do WW was really the third Zelda I played so so I got really into it. Before that I got really into Link's Awakening. 8bit gameboy sprites didnt look much different. It also had shipwreck at the beginning and a tropical island and chibi shit with the gameboy printer gimmick which I actually had. So really Wind Waker felt like a sequel to Link's Awakening to child me, and I was vaguely familiar with OoT from friends and renting it so I got the plot without getting mad.
Anonymous No.11920768 >>11920772
>>11908475
>>11908589

These are actually fucking awesome. They look like some sort of Spawn or guyver shit. I bet if this came out In the 90s people would eat it up.

Apparently this Medabots/Medarots redesign fucked up the entire series and was what lead to its downfall. But it is also fucking awesome I think somethings wrong with me.
Anonymous No.11920771
Were people mad Yuna became a ho? For me it's the freaky ass rat tail.
Anonymous No.11920772 >>11920783
>>11920768
What the fuck were they thinking!?
Anonymous No.11920773
>>11908440
Anonymous No.11920775 >>11920865
>>11908440
There's so much worse than toon link

You have no idea OP.
Anonymous No.11920783
>>11920772
The new character designer was a popular pop artist at the time or something. I forget what else he did. This was just the first thing I could find on Google but it was made after.
Anonymous No.11920808
>>11915334
His design was good. The game's art was bad.
I blame flat shading and too thick of outlines.
Anonymous No.11920831 >>11922175
>>11908538
>they look the exact same literally just because they both have long hair and a cape
Anonymous No.11920865 >>11922135 >>11923673
>>11920775

If we're talking generally about controversial redesigns, pretty much every stage of Guybrush's redesigns apart from 1990 and 1991 have drawn criticism.
Anonymous No.11922135
>>11920865
1997 is peak
Anonymous No.11922175
>>11920831
Honestly I could see Alucard and his character design in an old Conan story. Conan tended to team up with people very unlike himself sometimes. Like that fat thief that helped him get into a wizard's tower in one of the Howard short stories.
Anonymous No.11923673
>>11920865
The last game was literally a giant fuck you to old fans