Thread 11910304

What went so right with PS2?

>>11910304 (OP)
It followed up the PS1
/thread

>>11910304 (OP)
ask grok

>>11910304 (OP)
It had a DVD player.

I'm not joking when I say the PS2 library is completely unimpressive. It has nothing I would consider a favorite.

>>11910304 (OP)
GTA

>>11910320
This.
Beginning of modern.

cheap dvd player
retro compatible with the PS1
GTA
non retarded controller layout
MGS2 and later MGS3
FFX

Why do Sega fags bemoan the fact that PS2 had a DVD player and backwards compatibility with PS1 games, like it's supposedly a bad thing that Sony offered a superior and desirable more product to consumers? It's apparently a bad thing for a console to have more unique features... Except when it's the Dreamcast having netplay, then it's totally cool and ahead of the time. It's also kinda interesting how these discussions never mentioned that the PS1 could play audio CD's, which was similarly a new-ish format. It's only the PS2 that is specifically hated. And don't forget GTA! Even though (in my headcanon) Dreamcast secretly invented GTA with Shenmue (best and most important game ever!), GTA is bad because it was on PlayStation 2. By the way, ignore the fact that GTA existed on PS1 and PC in the 90's. Don't ask questions, just consume retarded Sega talking points and repeat them.

>>11910343
>By the way, ignore the fact that GTA existed on PS1 and PC in the 90's.
When people say GTA they mean gta3, the game that popularized 3D open world nigsims that plagued video games ever since

>>11910347
GTA3 is a good game, actually. The fact you don't like it because you're racist, and are implying it spawned clones (like literally all famous games have done since the industry began) is a non-argument.

>>11910313
Xbox certainly had much better games (Halo, Morrowind, Fable, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Riddick, Forza, Gotham Racing, and the best version of every multiplat game among the three consoles) and features, but the hardware was slow and expensive to produce so they made a limited number of them. Particularly the GPU and HDD, 8GB HDDs were in short supply so they moved to 10GB later.

PS2 was dirt cheap to produce and Sony shat out a mountain of them. The best PS2 games might not be as good as the best Xbox games, but it simply has more games.

>>11910343
>PC
Almost nobody bought a PC for gaming back in the day. Prebuilt PCs were egregiously expensive, building your own PC was hard for the average people because there was no linux tech tips to guide you, and CRT monitors were expensive unlike modern LCD displays.

>>11910358
>GTA3 is a good game
The novelty wore off after the first 5 minutes of going around killing people and stealing a car. The actual gameplay mechanics are barebones and the open world is shallow.

>>11910379
Name one good game.

>>11910304 (OP)
It was the ps1, but with a 2 in the name.
Also the fact that it actually started getting games really helped it after the first two years or so.

>>11910343
>Why do Sega fags bemoan the fact that PS2 had a DVD player and backwards compatibility with PS1 games, like it's supposedly a bad thing that Sony offered a superior and desirable more product to consumers?
gamecube faggots are the ones crying about this lol. shitty ass console didn't even support online

>>11910304 (OP)
Strong brand after the PSX owned the prior console generation, one of the cheapest DVD players on the market at launch, strong launch library, no real competition in its first holiday season
Throw in the fact that everything worth playing that wasn't Nintendo first-party or Halo was released for the PS2 and you have a recipe for dominance

>>11910343
>GTA existed on PS1 and PC in the 90's.
Yeah, in the same way Metal Gear existed on the NES

>>11910304 (OP)
It was the successor to the PS1 and also had backwards compatibility with it. I think it was basically the standard console to own at some point, like the PS1 in the 90s and the NES in the 80s. If you owned a handheld in the 90s, it was a Gameboy.
I think the DVD player aspect also helped initially, I have never even heard of someone playing movies on their PS2, most people had a dedicated DVD player.

>>11910313
I know PS2 has like more than 4000 games but if you move away from the classics (MGS2, SH2, SotC, DmC, GT3, etc) and the known hidden gems (games like pic related), there is probably not really that much real quality there. Its library also consists for a large share of multiplats I noticed.
Btw I don't know about the Japanese-exclusive ones.
I feel like GC and DC have more quality per capita.

>>11910575
>I have never even heard of someone playing movies on their PS2,
you're admitting to having zero friends in the early 00s
everyone I knew had a PS2 in their room that pulled double duty as a DVD player

>>11910304 (OP)
Cannot wait for 5 more variants of this thread throughout August.

>>11910594
There's a guy spamming anti-gamecube threads on /v/ like crazy, easy to spot because he uses "cubie", "cuber" or "shitcube".

>>11910304 (OP)
Brown people and poor people bought it.

/thread

>>11910589
I have seriously never heard of anyone doing that, I'm sure tons people did but people used their PS2 to mostly play games I think.
Maybe really early 2000s, like 2000, 2001 or 2002. I have played DVDs on mine maybe a few times just to test it out. I owned other devices that played DVDs in 2002, I remember. I watched Spider-Man on some laptop we had and MiB2 on my desktop PC, both in 2002. I remember how my father bought some surround set and even it came with a DVD player. DVD players were everywhere.

I do believe that people bought a PS3 for its Blu-Ray player because dedicated ones were so expensive initially.

>>11910627
That would be the gamecube. PS2 was more popular in Europe

>>11910304 (OP)
It tricked kids to get parents to buy a DVD player

>>11910646
>Europe
I said poor people not just browns

>>11910343
It's just tendie cope. Nintendo getting dominated by a dvd player makes them feel better for some reason.

>>11910304 (OP)
it played DVD's at a time when DVD was a surging format replacing VHS.
When buying a DVD player, people opted for the PS2 because it'd play DVD's, and also play games so might as well, to some degree people did this with the PS3 as well, buying it as a blu ray player that could also theoretically play games, if it had had any.

>>11910304 (OP)
>>>/v/716950264
*le sigh*
Another cross-post autism thread.

It really was just the dvd player.

>>11910304 (OP)
Well with how successful the PS1 was and how many third party developers supported the PS2, of course it was going to be mega successful.

>>11910304 (OP)
That blue LED.

>>11910460
Came here to post this

If we surveyed people that were actually there (can't do it on new /vr/; most of retards that post here since the attack probably couldn't even read back then if they were alive at all), we'd probably find out that at least 33% of the customers bought two PS2

>>11910737
I got two myself, my original fat model's disc drive died so I ended up getting a slim

>>11910304 (OP)
PS2
>better games
>more games
>hundreds of games can be played online
>better controller
>CD/DVD playback
>backwards compatible with 99% of PS1 games and accessories
>supported even after the PS4 came out

GameCube
>worst 3D Mario
>most forgotten Mario Kart
>worst controller of its generation - D-pad is miserable and it’s lacking a second Z-button
>no third party support
>only one game has online support- A paid MMO ported from the Dreamcast. Three racing games can be played over a tunneling service, but that’s if
>Component cables rare and expensive due to only being available through select online retailers
>Not backwards compatible with anything N46-related, enjoy rebuying your 5th gen games like trAnimal Crossing and RE2 because the GameCube’s laziness
>Nintendo practically dropped all support after 2003
PS2 is simply a masterpiece. It’s competitors come across as lackluster scams in comparison.

>>11910762
This ends the cubies

people bought it, like this thread

FF7 mogged the masses in the generation prior. The company that made FF7 remained Sony exclusive. And they delivered efficiently. With Kingdom Hearts, FF10, and so on. It isn't that difficult to grasp.

>>11910762
>most forgotten Mario Kart
Everything between Double Dash and Mario Kart 7 was a literal blur to me, but what do I know?

>>11910460
>>11910737
Really did Mikami deserve to be BTFO so hard in his own epic takedown of the best selling console of all time? This was his opportunity and they took it from him.

>>11910921
He wasn't wrong. Kingdom Hearts was all hype, it's viewed much more objectively today.

>>11910963
RE1 remake being a pointless endeavor with weird lit candles and entirely for an audience that couldn't care less?
I agree.

>>11910575
>if you move away from the classics (MGS2, SH2, SotC, DmC, GT3, etc) and the known hidden gems (games like pic related), there is probably not really that much real quality there
LMFAO you're an actual fucking retard
So, if you take away the 50 classic games and 100 hidden gems, the console has "nothing", sure.

If you take the good and great games away from Gamecube and Xbox, those consoles also don't have great quality.

wtf are you even saying you actual low IQ mutt?

>>11910980
Dude, you're low IQ yourself if you don't get it.

>>11910993
>if you remove all the good things about this thing, this thing sucks!!11!!!1!!
>u r low IQ if you don't get it!!11!!
embarrassing

>>11910921
His loss for dumping Xbox and trying to sell survival horror on the kiddiecube. Besides if he really hated PS2 that much God Hand would have been on GC:

>>11910963
Kingdom Hearts was a great game though and most look back on it fondly today. Just because some hyper critical anons on here look at it more critically doesn't mean that is the majority consensus. You can apply this to any game. Problem with that franchise is they just kept making games and lost people with all of those spinoff games such as myself. I bet most didn't even know they made all those KH games between the second and third game.

>>11911035
Calling his bluff? This is sacrilege to /vr/ lore and shitposting.

>>11910372
>Xbox certainly had much better games
Holy cope.
>Halo
Overrated
>Morrowind, Fable,Riddick
Pc leftovers
>Panzer Dragoon Orta,
Good game
> Forza, Gotham Racing
Ps2 also had racing games.
>nd the best version of every multiplat game among the three consoles
Not even close. Most multiplats were butt ugly like gta or performance was dogshit. The select few that were decent were the best, bzt that wasn't the majority of the ports.

>>11910963
When KH came to PC it outsold RE4 too. That was 20 years later.

>>11910304 (OP)
not much
Dreamcast had online from the start but PS2 had to release a network adapter separately

>>11910304 (OP)
people love interlacing, it was all downhill for Sony after progressive became standard

>>11910310
Unironically this

>>11910338
i mean this
i don't even like the thing but it's real apparent why

>>11910304 (OP)
FIFA
PES
eyetoy games
singstar games
rockband games
guitar hero games
piracy
piracy
piracy
games in greek
games in neederland
games in scandinavian
F1 games
motogp games (xbox ones were cool too)
dakar games
rally games
WRC games

>>11910372
Half of the xbox games you listed are PC games that got watered down to run on the xbox.

How are you niggers so boring, always talking about sales and the same 2 or 3 worthwhile 6th gen games.
/v2k/ really would have been a better solution as a containment instead of ruining a board like /vr/.
And all because you were stubborn in your quest for your own childhood to be deemed retro.

>>11911497
I still don't get why people insist that some xbox or ps2 are on PC, WHEN CONSOLE PLAYERS DON'T LIKE TO PLAY ON PC.

They really miss the whole point of playing on console instead PC. Same goes for dreamcast and xbox360 that shares pc games or even PSX in 1995-2002.

>>11910304 (OP)
we had this

>>11910313
Eternal Ring

>>11910310
>DVD player
>>11910338
>dvd player
>>11910343
>DVD player
>>11910456
>DVD players
>>11910575
>DVD player
>>11910647
>DVD player
>>11910673
>DVD's
>>11910697
>dvd player
>>11910762
>DVD

Already debunked years ago

Also, the xbox had the addon for dvd, but no one cared and microsoft had to buyback the inventory

>>11911607
Keep fighting the good war, warrior

>>11911614
I'm a keyboard warrior

>>11911607
>2002
>2 years after PS2 launch
lmfao. retard

>>11911607
>>11911614
>>11911618
most embarrassing samefagging i've seen in a good while

>>11911625
fag
>>11911624
PS2 sales only began to gain traction after the iconic 2001 holiday software lineup.
In 2003, both Microsoft and Nintendo were in a complete panic.

>>11910305
FPBP
You cant /thread yourself, so Ill do it for you.
/thread

If you OP wants a more complete answer, PS1 won the 5th gen by a wide margin, PS2 was basically

>remember PS1? This is the same thing, but better!

It didnt try to introduce new gimmicks like the Gamecube and the Dreamcast.

>Clearly, without the DVD, PS2 would've been an abject failure and only sold 10 millions
>the 100 millions the PS1 sold? uuhhh we don't talk about that

>>11911637
>edited screenshot
oh wow i'm super convinced, not
PS2 had traction from jump, there were literally shortages of consoles in the 2000 holiday season
you're a dumb bitch who doesn't know anything and probably wasnt alive back then

>>11910372
>building your own PC was hard
Nope. It's always been easy. Any PC nerd would have walked you through it in a heartbeat. My dad built our first PC, then my brother built the next one and my, etc. My dad just taught himself how to do it. Not hard. Very easy. You need like one screw driver, dude.

>>11910304 (OP)
DVD player for clueless normies.

>>11911659
I was an employee at an electronics retail store from 1999 to 2004
No one ever bought a PS2 with movies or the official remote controller. The same for the Xbox.
The shortage wasn't a national issue.

>>11911676
Forgot to pic

>>11911676
nice larp
of course nobody bought the remote, faggot, the controller worked just fine

>>11911687
Your loss and eternal rent free over the PS2 phenomenal sucess.
Keep that way

>>11911694
good morning saar please do the needful

>>11911637
>PS2 sales only began to gain traction after the iconic 2001 holiday software lineup.

No lineup necessary, we all know the reason.

Also DVD players though - particularly outside the states where they did not come down in price until about the mid 00s. No one bought the remotes, but we all used the controllers instead.

>>11911826
Final Fantasy X was more hyped than GTA III.
Gran Turismo 3 sold like water alongside the console.

>No lineup necessary
I'm talking about the price cut from $299 to $199.
A low blow for Microsoft, which was forced to reduce the price to $199 just a few months after its release.

>>11911879
>Final Fantasy X was more hyped than GTA III

In weeb world maybe. GTA III was the thing that made normies buy the console.

Definitely take your point on GT3 and the price cut though.

>>11911637
Maybe if you were actually there to understand that the PS2 was basically impossible to get on launch, it took an entire year before you started seeing them stay on shelves longer than a few hours. I'm sure some regions were not as heavily effected by this but Sony took a while before their production could meet demand. I distinctly remember during launch week there were scalpers charging 1k for these things, no idea if anyone bought one at that price.
Yes DVD players were cheap as shit by 2002 for basically the same reason, there was a big demand for them but now everyone is trying to get a piece of that pie, everyone cranked up production and the market got flooded with them by 03 absolutely everything was dirt cheap and while I don't have the stats off hand I would bet the 2002 holiday season was one of the largest jumps for both consoles and DVD players because they were finally making enough of them at a price point people could afford.
This was so widespread they made movies about stealing DVD players because the demand was just that high.

Back then (2003-2007) ps2rip dot net was the most visited website in spanish speaking countries.

>>11910304 (OP)
Sony was a 50 billion dollar company. They sold both the PS1 and PS2 at a huge loss just to destroy Sega and defeat Nintendo.

Microsoft had the best chance to defeat Sony, but Microsoft dropped the ball after the Xbox 360.

>>11911901
You were in every store at once back then, right? You knew exactly what thousands of retailers, small and big, had in stock, right? Amazing.
I'm speaking from my perspective.
Regarding the price of a DVD player at $50 in mid 2002, it doesn't have to be this dirt cheap.
Imagine saying to a customer (tv/movie normie) in 2001, "This dvd player is $150, but with twice as much, $300, you can get this video game and watch dvds and play games aswell! Latest games goes for $50 btw and you need to buy a memory card priced at $35 to be able to save your game progress" or "We also have the Xbox, sames as PS2, but more powerful, better graphics and at the same price! But to watch dvd movies you need this $35 addon."
Good luck with that sales pitch, buddy.

>>11912104
>sold both the PS1 and PS2 at a huge loss
not this fucking fairy tale again

>>11910304 (OP)
Sony knocked it out of the park with the PS1, they were the only ones that were building on top of something solid with the upcoming generation. Sega was already on it's deathbed due to their self sabbotage with the 32X-Saturn fiasco and the Dreamcast was them trying to rectify their mistake, too little too late. Gamecube was Nintendo's last attempt at being cutting edge with their hardware, finally ditching cartridges, but still couldn't fully resist their autistic urges. X-Box was just starting, but unlike the previous generarion, their competition wasn't shooting themselves in the foot to allow the new kid in the block to take over.

>>11910304 (OP)
The devkit and code samples were also pretty good. Not as good as the XDK but Xbox was a newcomer after all. Sony really upped their game with providing samples of what the hardware could do in the right hands.

>>11910762
>worst 3D Mario
filtered

>>11911079
SEGAchads keep winning.

DVD player and besides what some sperg might tell you, it had better library than the other three combined.

>>11912148
>If something doesn't align with my narrative, then it's not real
Honestly based

>>11910304 (OP)
plenty of videogames per year.

>>11912318
it's literally just made up, retard
no company is gonna sell ten million units at a loss for any reason, much less made up fanboy console wars

>>11912365
>for any reason
Conquering a market is a good reason

>>11911607
From my personal experience - I was only able to convince my boomer dad to buy the PS2 in 2002 when I told him it was also a DVD player.

DVD player, amazing library of new games plus backwards compatibility with the previous interation's amazing library of old games.
Gamecube failed because Nintendo doubled-down on the bing bing wahoo kiddy shit at the worst goddamn possible point in history.
Dreamcast was dead in the water.
XBox was new and unproven.
That all being said, to this day I'm disappointed how bad Sony fucked it up with every new Playstation after that.

>>11911607
its not just a singular reason.
3d was still new, but now it was going to be BETTER.
you know the ps1 that did really well? well heres the next one, and its even BETTER.
it also ends up having a GREAT line up of games to play.
and then it ALSO had the cd/dvd player built in. it wasnt even really about the cost of dvd players at the time, it was that you could save money by NOT buying a dvd player at all, and get the all-in-one ps2.
if i remember right, it was also pretty good at being a player too, and easy to use the controller. no bullshit remote necessary.

it wasnt just one thing. it was everything you could want out of a console, and it did it well.

>>11912373
you watch too much TV. companies are not intentionally taking heavy losses just to attempt to put competitors (with established brands) out of business.
Sega was a victim of half a decade of their own mistakes. Sony did not intentionally lose money to take them out.
you are retarded and have zero understanding of how businesses operate.

>>11912408
>stop noticing things goyim!!

>>11912427
making shit up isn't the same as noticing things.

>>11912109
>You were in every store at once back then, right? You knew exactly what thousands of retailers, small and big, had in stock, right? Amazing.
Naw just my local area and what I remember from forum posts at the time, I even mentioned that other regions may have been different.

>Imagine saying to a customer (tv/movie normie) in 2001, "This dvd player is $150, but with twice as much, $300, you can get this video game and watch dvds and play games aswell!
Maybe this happened but no, if you wanted a PS2 you wanted one period. But given that gaming as a whole was still seen as a kid thing and every child and teenager wanted one of these things it's a hell of a lot easier to convince your parents to buy one with the pitch of "yeah but it can also play DVD's so we can watch movies on it"

>>11912365
The thing is these companies make more than just hardware, and profit margins on hardware are slim. It's not unreasonable to sell hardware at a loss to make profit on software sales where the margins are significantly higher, I mean shit Nintendo is still making money on software they developed 40 years ago, while the gains they made on the NES stopped long ago.