Thread 11911691

Let's discuss pre WOW Blizz
>BlackThorne (Blackhawk if Eurofag)
>Diablo + Hellfire
>Diablo II + Lord of Destruction
>Warcraft: Orcs & Humans
>Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness
>StarCraft + Brood War
>Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos
>The Lost Vikings
>Rock n’ Roll Racing
WOW /vr/os get the fuck out of here.
What’s your go-to Blizzard game? Got any Battle.net stories or favorite custom maps?
My wife for hire!

>>11911691 (OP)
>WOW /vr/os get the fuck out of here.
Enjoy your dead general.

>>11911691 (OP)
Shame Blackthorne didn't make it into Heroes of the Storm

Friendly reminder that current patch of Warcraft 3 is actually good and worth playing. Melee PvP has been exceptionally fun and Night Elf has been reigned in since the 8 lumber gathering interval was nerfed back down to reasonability.

NE has historically had lumber issues but the current rate as of 2.0.3 fixes that without having them be excessive. Previously Bear/Dryad timings were way too fast, but now with the Heavy armor type buff NE has to actually activate neurons in order to get their tech rolling.

WC3 Gym is also a good place to hang out at.

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>>11911891
>he doesn't know

>>11911891
If it's anything like the previous threads, arguing over what "classic (or now ""core"") Blizzard" is will keep the thread busy more than anything else.

>>11911691 (OP)
>BlackThorne
I played it a little bit when I was 7 but I was clueless, I think its time to play it. Which version is the best one? 32X, DOS or SNES?

>>11912048
I don't understand why people just don't talk about the games. Current year has classic Blizzard games shine

Brood War is alive. Warcraft 3 is alive. Diablo 1 and 2 are alive. Playable on modern machines and are the original experiences. Why the fuck is there purity testing when Classic Blizzard is here to be enjoyed?

>>11912132
Blizz in general is almost too notorious to talk about around here. I myself have been having a blast rediscovering tons of fun content with all of their older stuff, even that one thing the OP doesn't want discussed (although I'm enjoying it under very specific circumstances).

>>11912097
I’d recommend the SNES version since it’s the original. The 32X is a port with better graphics, but it doesn’t feel as smooth as the SNES version.

DOS (PC) version is freeware.

>>11912163
Same here. Warcraft 3 PvP in it's current state s actually approaching perfection. I can't get enough of it, and I love the W3Champions client.

>>11912132
RTS nerds just love arguing, more than fans of any other genre (besides MOBA fans, but MOBA fans are too low IQ to bother interacting with)

I don’t really pay it any mind, I’m just here for the nostalgia from the golden era.

I have never finished any WarCraft game... I only played Diablo and Brood War.

>>11912182
>Petey Software
Oof boy.
>>11912196
Diablo 1 or 2 or both? If both do you have a preference?

>>11912182
I spent some time on a Dawn of War discord, and Warcraft 3 was "shit because you have to have battle.net running." Then proceeded to slob Steam's knob.

When I pointed that out, same two people said Battle.net "doesn't let them log in" and it's why Warcraft 3 multiplayer is dead. When I brought up how bloated the Steam client is, they said it was okay because of "the sales."

It's like RTS fans are senile 30 year olds

>>11912196
I’m the exact opposite, I only played WC and WoW, but Diablo looks like the the exact type of dopamine loop I could sink my teeth into.

Got em downloaded from the archive site that used to be linked in the general for my backlog.

>>11912196
Even Remastered, WC1 is rough to play. WC2 though either by Remastered or Battle.net Edition is fun. I prefer the Remasters because Blackbird Interactive handled them, and I say they understand what made those games great and have a good track record of making good RTS games. Deserts of Kharak is fantastic.

>>11912204
Sounds like they were just Steam loyalists. As someone who strongly prefers Valve over Activision, it literally doesn’t cost you anything to download a second storefront/launcher for online play.

>>11912201
>Diablo 1 or 2 or both? If both do you have a preference?
Diablo 1
>>11912210
>WC1 is rough to play
I just noticed that I can't customize the hotkeys. I downloaded WC2 Remastered, and it uses grid hotkeys like SC2.

>>11912204
bloated how? explain, i just open games so i dont notice what else is there

>>11912173
>Warcraft 3 PvP in it's current state s actually approaching perfection. I can't get enough of it, and I love the W3Champions client.
That's through Reforged right? That's a big case in point from >>11912163 with the previous Blizzard general having a fight about whether it was "classic" or not. I'm fine with it but I'm also fine with discussing the MMO.
>>11912248
I initially preferred D1 but lean more towards D2 lately.

>>11912263
Steam takes up more resources and the overlay gets in the way of some games. It's not a big deal, but some people are really nitpicky about it.

>>11912264
It's frustrating because if you try to limit discussing Warcraft 3 to patches no further than 1.27, there is nothing to discuss. People don't play 1.27 outside of small communities. Melee PvP is not played. GameRanger lobbies are all customs with the one or two Melee lobbies being empty or having blatant map hacks on it. The fact is Reforged was dogshit in 2020 and is nowhere near as bad today as it was then and is the best way to play War3 PvP today.

>>11911891
Seems decently alive to me.
>>11912264
>>11912281
Idc about discussing remasters, they’re the same games with some facelifts. The spergs in the previous general just couldn’t resist being uncompromising robots about the whole thing.

I don't really care if WoW is talked about, so long as it's exclusively about Vanilla and tangentially about TBC. WotLK is the line. Same with SC:R and D2:R. Totally fine to talk about

>>11911691 (OP)
>posts a SC2 image
Yikes

>>11912559
>renames the gen for no reason
>faggy ragebait opener
>didn't make an OC image
>didn't link to the pastebin or make a new one
miss me with this gay shit. either just start off from where the last gen left off or don't revive it at all.

>>11912783
Nope.

Begging faggot. You want it so bad you make it. Else until then, classic Blizzard goes in this thread.

I started this thread since I haven’t seen a Blizzard general in days. It’s all good if we talk about WOW or the remasters, like >>11912531 mentioned.

But please, steer clear of this kind of faggotry >>11912783. Just talk and discuss the Blizzard games you love and enjoy. Ignore any faggot derailing the thread with autistic bullshit. If you’ve got something for the OP, drop it here, you can even make the next thread.

tl;dr: Talk about the Blizzard game you’re into, let’s set the Rubicon together. Avoid autistic faggotry.

>>11912952
>I started this thread since I haven’t seen a Blizzard general in days
>it's all good if talk about WOW or the remasters
>"WOW /vr/os get the fuck out of here."
Lmao, what
>autistic faggotry
Like not including the pastebin link and using an SC2 meme in a "core blizzard" thread? Kill yourself.

>>11912821
> You want it so bad you make it.
i don't, but i would've posted in it like i did in the old one. won't be posting in this at all because it's soulless. old /cbg/ had handmade pics for every thread, a kickass resource for downloading all the games etc and a well written opener. also "core blizzard general" sounds gay as fuck and you're a fag, literally why change the name?

good job retard, you made a blizz gen that's going to have even more issues than the original one because you're 60 IQ and couldn't take a few minutes to make a decent OP before shitting out this abortion. i'm out of here, good luck.

>>11912783
>renames the gen for no reason
Yeah this is a big oof from me, sorry. Classic Blizzard General sounded nice, no reason to change the name. "Core" sounds weird. I don't get it. Between this and the Starcraft 2 pic he pretty much cursed the whole thing. We need original thread baker to come back and keep going with the real /cbg/. I'd do it myself but I have health problems and it wouldn't be easy to commit to.

https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11706481
Last thread for reference, has lots of links as well as this pastebin https://pastebin.com/t4KiZqKS

Crazy how there's still a competitive scene for Brood War.
>https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ASL/20
2 weeks to go.
I miss the old Battle.net days. I played so many UMS maps. Stacked Cannon D 10(?)-way was my favourite one, not sure if I ever beat it because there was always that one faggot who leaked.

>>11913026
voting for the metzen art poster (testing waters guy??) to continue with the general. you post in like every blizz thread, why not just be the one to carry the torch of the original /cbg/? i guess maybe you just don't want to do the work of keeping up with it or get the implicit hate for doing so (i'm assuming that's what drove original OP off), which is fair and i can understand. i wish the blizz community on /vr/ was more like doomgen. those threads have autistic as fuck requirements for baking and yet they get a new thread posted every couple days without a single issue. and yet asking /cbg/ chodes to copy and paste a short OP was too much. what do i know is, i was too lazy to do it too. oh well.

>>11912995
>using an SC2 meme
DAYUM SHAME

>>11913087
>voting for the metzen art poster (testing waters guy??) to continue with the general. you post in like every blizz thread, why not just be the one to carry the torch of the original /cbg/?
That's the plan once this thread's done. I made one before while the OG OP had to dip some time ago, shouldn't be a biggie to try to get things going again. This and the last few Blizzard threads make it seem like there could be enough interest.
>i guess maybe you just don't want to do the work of keeping up with it or get the implicit hate for doing so (i'm assuming that's what drove original OP off)
For me, it was just the roughness of that last few /cbg/'s and wanting a break from Blizzard stuff.

>>11913001
>i don't

stopped reading there. talk about blizzard games or fuck off, faggot

>>11913030
The golden age of old Battle.net was great but short. War3's ladder scene by 2010 was just infested with maphacks and player skill was starting to rub against the not-ideal balance at the time

War3's new esport scene is pretty small but the games are pretty hype. Do wish more people stepped up though, Happy just dominates way too hard

>>11913165
good man. don't be like this fag and try some "/cbg/ - Reforged", just keep going from the last real thread. if i have time i'll even try to whip up an OC image to give you and post it here. the hack totally fucked things up but we can get back on track. it was literally a couple months ago, not like 10 years. no reason for this gravestone faggotry.

>>11913165
>That's the plan once this thread's done
Do it and link this as the previous one. I was about to do that but I don't like deal with autistic bullshit. God bless.

>>11913183
>link this as the previous one
lol

>>11913178
The great hacker blackout permanently killed a lot of the website traffic. A lot of people probably realized they were better/happier without this place

>>11913183
>SAAR PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL AND LINK THE THREADFUL
>I DON'T LIKE DEAL WITH AUTISMO SAAR, PLEASE SAAR
Look, you tried, but you fucked up bigly. Take it on the jaw and move on. If anything, this thread will become a meme in the real /cbg/ continuation and we'll all be posting DAYUM SHAME every time some fag says something gay. You had your place in kindling the fire but the logs belong to the trees.

Recommend everyone ready Wow Diaries. Even if you aren’t into the game per se the book really goes into detail and how classic blizzard worked and it does touch on Warcraft 3 some. Pretty great read if you’re a fan of old school Blizzard.

>>11913192
>The great hacker blackout permanently killed a lot of the website traffic. A lot of people probably realized they were better/happier without this place
it was a 1-2-3-10 punch of people realizing they could live without 4chins, moving to altchans, moving to reddit and so on i'd say. it sucks but what can you do, you know. i wish i could say i could live without this place, i'm sure i could but i wouldn't like it. i missed this shit hard when it was gone.

>>11913183
>autistic bullshit
The pastebin above has instructions on how to bake. It's not that bad, just copypasting what's in that bin and keeping up with the rare posts of custom maps.

>>11913193
Start a thread or shut the fuck up. Quit derailing with your autistic whining. You add zero value. Faggots like you are why people are ditching this place. I’m done spoon-feeding your retardation. You’ve had weeks to post a new /cbg/, but you haven’t. Why? Because you’re too busy bitching and moaning like the autistic retard you are.
Talk about Blizz games or kill yourself.

>>11913203
Refer to what >>11913201 said. If what you wanted to do was making a new blizzgen thread, you could have just followed the previous OPs and acted like nothing happened. Instead you tried to change the fucking name for no reason, left out all the good stuff like the pastebin, and poetically ended your post with a cuckold joke. We want to talk about blizz games, clearly, but you did it in the worst way possible. Stop being a fucking faggot, let the thread die, let a real /cbg/ thread post and then contribute to it in a meaningful way. Don't make excuses, just accept it and move on.

Looks like nobody can be bothered to post a new general, yet somehow, we expect OP to do it, like he owes us shit.

>>11913221
I support continuing /cbg/, I don't support continuing it if it doesn't have the same effort put in as the original threads. Simple as.

Give OP due credit for trying, he cares a little bit at least. Maybe we wouldn't want to get the old gen going as much if he hadn't posted this dogshit, maybe we wouldn't have even thought about it at all. He did things in a retarded way but he had good intentions. Just keep going with the true classic blizz gen soul and give credit where credit's due.
That said, FUCK WoW and remastered, that shit will never be retro and I will die on this fucking hill, I will remind all of you fags that Poop of Poopcraft and Refunded have absolutely nothing to do with Lost Vikings and Diablo until the end of my days

>>11913229
Yea vanilla wow is retro tho so, suck on an egg.

>>11913165
>For me, it was just the roughness of that last few /cbg/'s and wanting a break from Blizzard stuff.
And that rough shit's starting to resurface.
>>11913229
That's my thing: It's at least evident of some interest.
>spoiler
Now that would really be picking up from last threads: How divisive and messy the thread got when it came to Reforged talk.

>>11913235
personally i have no problem including original WoW in the discussion theoretically. the problem with including WoW discussion is that it will inevitably lead to the most autistic lorefaggotry and non-retro discussion you've ever seen. i was on that original thread where we started up the cbg idea and i agree with the initial sentiment. if i knew WoW discussion would be limited to 2004-06 era shit i'd have no problem, but when you give an inch you give a mile. we just wanted a way to talk about stuff like norse by norsewest and rock n roll racing and D1 in a contained space but nobody wants to let us have nice things.

New thread, now we are autistic friendly!!
>>11913254
>>11913254
>>11913254
>>11913254

>>11913257
>realize you fucked up and panic
>try to beat testing waters anon to the punch by posting a new thread while this one is on page 1
>still somehow don't even follow the exact format of the old threads
Alright, I'm not posting anymore after this. I'll wait until metzen boy or by some saving grace the original OP comes back and we get the real thing going again. This has become so fucking gay and you should feel ashamed.

>>11913261
DAYUM SHAME

>>11913257
>New thread, now we are autistic friendly!!
way to blow it again fag

>>11913243
>personally i have no problem including original WoW in the discussion theoretically. the problem with including WoW discussion is that it will inevitably lead to the most autistic lorefaggotry and non-retro discussion you've ever seen.
From what I've seen here on /vr/, its discussion has mostly been either 'it sucks' or people going 'nice screens' and getting nostalgic. Anyone seriously into it knows that they can head to /vg/ and goon out in its four or five generals (seriously). I'd mostly talk about my modded private server which arguably and ironically enough isn't even playing "the game" anyways.

>head to a pc cafe with brother and his friend
>"heh, i'm gonna visibly play warcraft 3 and people will wonder what that old game is"
>b.net refuses to launch war3
>Talk to the register guy
>"yeah sorry people haven't played world of warcraft 3 in a while here. they'll fix it and you can get on it later."

just can't win. JUST CAN'T WIN

>>11911691 (OP)
WC3 Humans are pure faggots! They spam Paladin and rifles or they spam archmage blizzards all over base and send footmen all day. There’s no skill to their play style. It’s not fun to play against. It’s just low IQ faggots who think they’re good because they play a broken race with a million AOE spells and infinite heals. if you play Human you’re a goddamn faggot

>>11913257
Absolutely the gayest move you could’ve made, so disappointing.
>>11913304
Agreed, the wow talk was pretty tame in the original /cbg/.

>>11913852
They're not that bad. They are bullshit if they hit critical mass and you're dealing with a 5 Pala 3 Bloodmage combo. It's tough cause human just has to a-move and if you don't respond with proper spread damage you lose. Have some units focus the paladin while you split your focus fire on your units on like 2-3 units and it works unless the Human player is a god

You can also lame them with worker harass, or even better if you can snipe their buildings. Pala rifle isn't as strong as it used to be and the current thing I'm seeing are Knights being used, now those will fuck your shit up

>>11914279
Pretty much. If people actually talked about Blizz games instead of autistically screeching we'd all be better off for it.

At least we have this thread

>>11913243
Well if people really wanted that doesn’t sound like the general would’ve died. Idc post whatever you want, if vanilla wow isn’t allowed that’s fine, I just don’t care about blizzard beyond Warcraft 2,3 and wow. And even then, just sp Warcraft 2 and 3. So I’m out.

>>11914897
This thread only has Warcraft 2, 3, and like, 1 wow post

any good war3 games recently?

>>11914567
I play undead. Any tips there? I’ve been adding banshees to my fiends and statues.

>>11915695
Depends on what you wanna know. Ghouls are much stronger now as of 2.0.3 and roll NE over in the early game.

I personally find Banshees to be kind of weak unless you have enough of them hitting the right targets, but I tend to run them against Humans to snatch their Knights with possession. Else I prefer Cripple Necromancers

>>11916173
Yeah I just found out that banshees can possess air. I’m still learning. I had like 5 ready with mama to steal gryphon riders and died

>>11913852
I used to main human up until I stopped playing around the end of 2006. Pala/rifle wasn't the meta yet, although I did used to cheese with workshop proxy and steam engines if it seemed like I was losing a game. That really made people rage, holy shit lol

>>11916731
Are you sure that's correct? I was under the impression Banshee's cannot possess air units, and only Dark Ranger could do that with her ult

>>11916745
I don't think I've ever seen siege engines used "legitimately," since Mortars are unlocked immediately and perform the same role. But I've been thinking in my head where if you have like, 3 engines attacking the enemy base while you attack units, it might be just as effective?

>>11916173
Necro/meat wagon/fiend has always worked for me before the endgame where everyone has a giant death ball of units.
>>11916745
>cheese with workshop proxy and steam engines if it seemed like I was losing a game. That really made people rage, holy shit lol
I used to do the same thing but with fallback guard tower proxies to protect the steam engines. Never failed to elicit some kind of response from the other players. People HATED it.

>>11916847
>People HATED it
I know. That's why I loved hiding my workshops. I'd hit their expo to distract them while my steam engines hit their main, or vice versa attacking main then hit expo with siege engines. It's extremely effective and it's a big blow to morale for the average person.
>>11916837
Mortars are great and always useful. Siege Engines are more of a Fuck You tactic that can make the opponent panic, and it's especially funny if there's a laboratory where you can get goblin sappers, build a farm beside it just in case of emergency. Sappers just like siege engines are must-haves if you've fallen behind.
Tower up your bases and expo while the other player is busy with the siege engines, they're going to counter immediately. Don't underestimate canon towers,they're under-used, and now I think the mortar team upgrade applies to them now too. Shrapnel.

>>11916731
>>11916830
Correction I meant to say CAN’T. Sorry my next match queued before I could proof read.

>>11916745
>>11916837
Dude those steam engines are damn near immortal! The only fucking counter to them are other Seige units! So meat wagons in my case as undead. Make sense of blizzards logic there. It’s literally just Killdozer the unit!

>>11917197
all good war3 enjoying anon

>>11917059
Besides on NE I can't think of too many units that don't have some sort of role in the current 1v1 meta. NE bears/dryads are just way too overloaded with useful utility to make you want to skip them in favor for riders, chims, or talons. Less so on Talons though, I've been seeing them more. Tauren with resistant skin and ward spell immunity are honestly some of the best changes and don't feel as OP as I thought they'd feel

DevilutionX is based.

>>11913257
>the "new" thread gets archived

heh

I never even played that much Warcraft II, but even in my short time with that game its soundscape left an indelible mark on my soul.

>>11918492
WC2 was iconic. I recall people being turned off by WC3's colorful look but I feel it's aged better. I do love how chunky WC2 feels to this day though.

>>11913257
Core blizz general has won

>>11918494
>WC2 was iconic.
Sure was. I probably played wc2 campaigns so many times it would’ve bored a normal person near to death. Especially getting that rush when they started releasing detailed alpha shots/ footage of wc3 at E3, etc. Somehow it just made me play it more. The art style alone is so distinctive.

>>11911691 (OP)
Warcraft one was a game changer along with west wood games Dune. A triail for it used ship with the soundblaster back in the multimendia soundcard/CD revolution years on the PC in about 1994.

for a while Blizzard with Warcraft/Warcraft 2, Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 and Starcraft was one of the greatest gaming companies in history and then it went into monthly subsciption charges and destoyed itself. I bought every single game they made on full retail price unntil they they shipped world of warcraft and to this day, I have never played it once or given them any more money for anything.

The guitar music in diablo 1s village and the ork going okey dokey was the first thing I thought of when I say your threasd. Wacraft 2 LAN play was GOAT and fud fact it was one of the first internet multiplayer games when AOL launched it

>>11918494
NTA but warcraft 2 portal of darkness etc was as good as it got. Warcraft three while fine was a graphical disappointment compared to the charm and ease of the old perspective. Total Anhilation Kingdoms is another great game of that era and the only rival to warcraft 2 but it was far less well known

>>11919157
How many shots deep were you when you typed this out?

>>11919157
kek I also never bothered with WoW at all, it really turned me off of Blizzard, I wanted a WarCraft 4. They could've easily done a 2nd expansion with Naga as a playable race. And yes i'm aware that there's a custom vs map that has Naga and Nerubian as playable races.

>>11919161
>beyond the dark portal
Truly the hardest rts before brood war. I wiped so many times on the last half of the missions for both factions. That last alliance mission is hellish, absolutely no break from the waves of enemies, and they’re smart, too. Anyone remember those third-party expansion CDs that had dozens of extra levels? I had one for btdp titled “the next 70 levels” or some such stuff, got it at a PC convention in like 1998.