Thread 11913124

Why was there a space station with robots in Final Fantasy 1 and why did they change it? Also why are robots in fantasy games the coolest fucking shit ever?

Most early RPGs had some random sci-fi bit in there somewhere, since most early RPGs were based off of or ripping off D&D, and D&D had some early modules that had sci-fi elements.

>>11913149
ultima 1 has shooting sections in a space ship you need to do in order to unlock a time machine

>>11913124 (OP)
It was there because it's awesome, they changed it because they're cowards

KILL LUFENIANS
ROUNDHOUSE KICK LUFENIANS
TOTAL LUFENIAN DEATH

>>11913124 (OP)
It's disappointing most ports turn it into a sky castle (MSX2 doesn't). It was such a standout moment. It was probably done to cut corners by reusing castle assets instead of making a new tileset.
Thinking about it, the Wonderswan was the first port to do it. Maybe it was necessary there to fit the game onto the rom. And because all the following remakes use the WS version as a base (directly or indirectly), the sky castle ended up sticking around.

>>11913124 (OP)
They changed it? That's bizarre. A certain non retro game seemingly follows up with the original versions sci-fi elements. Does the pixel remaster even make it something other than a space station?

>>11913124 (OP)
>Why was there a space station with robots in Final Fantasy 1
There was a massive fad in the 80s and 90s to mix scifi and fantasy because of Starwars. In everything. Point and Click, RPGs, Novels, Movies, TV shows, etc. A lot of them fell into obscurity because they made no attempt to seamlessly merge the two concepts in the way Starwars did.

>Also why are robots in fantasy games the coolest fucking shit ever?
Most fantasy settings have golems

>>11913124 (OP)
Robots in fantasy games are as gay as this cringe handheld in zelda.

>>11913323
Pixel Remasters follow the remakes, meaning they ruin certain elements of FF1/2's setting and art style. The changes to 2 aren't as egregious as turning the space station into a sky temple.

>>11913369
>

>this thread again
So...its like what, ever 3 months now?

It could've been a nod to Ultima. Sakaguchi was a fan at the time.

>>11913317
What's especially stupid about this is that they kept the futuristic robot enemies like WarMech. If the intent was a Sky Castle all along then shouldn't the enemies have been steampunk robots instead?

There was a /lit/ guy once who showed that mixing fantasy and sci-fi in literature used to be the norm, long before Final Fantasy and perhaps even Star Wars. In fact, both things were just called "fantasy", there was no "sci-fi" distinction the way nowadays we pretend like both things should no mix.

As for the FF1 remakes they changed it because all remakes have to do something to make the game worse, pretty sure it's the law.

UH LUFENIANS OR LUFENIGGERS AS I CALL THEM ALL MUST FUCKING HANG

>>11913506
>darkest dungeon
>deepest space
Now I know what I'm gonna call my indie game.

>>11913490
I remember hearing Tolkien explain that LOTR didn't take place in space.

>>11913124 (OP)
The space station is good but my favorite thing was finding the friendly robot behind the waterfall.

>>11913528
>>11913506
>>darkest dungeon
>>deepest space
Kim Kardashian's vagina?

Because they ripped off Ultima, where you end up flying to a space station.

>>11913490
I've heard the term "science fantasy" used for this phenomenon before

>>11913506
they had a spacecraft in U7 as well
might and magic 4 had hidden satellite dishes at the corners of the map

>>11913469
Wow that's fucked up. Really screws with the ending vibes.

I've only ever played the original version of FF1 and I like that robot/spaceship 'arc' but I have to admit that I have a fetish for sky castles, floating islands and shit like that. I can't be the only one. Remember reaching the Zenithian Castle in DQ4? That shit was just awesome

*spawns*

>>11913686
Zenithia is great.
The sky castle in the remakes of FF1 is boring and makes no sense. It barely feels like a castle in the sky, outside of being able to see the sky around, because of course that's not what it was supposed to be. They deleted a lot of things like computers and didn't even replace them with anything. The glass hole in the floor which let you see the planet from above was awesome, instead they replace this by a giant "magic crystal ball"; and the room that revolves around itself makes no sense anymore either: it doesn't revolve on itself because they wanted to do a Zelda style forest maze, it revolves on itself because it's in space (pic related), so now it doesn't make sense anymore.

>>11913693
Reminder that Chris Houlihan took a picture of this and won a Nintendo Power contest by doing so. This 1990 contest promised his name would be put into an upcoming NES game... and that game ultimately ended up being Link to the Past on the SNES.

>>11913694
>it revolves on itself because it's in space (pic related)
I unironically never thought about that, cool stuff

>>11913693
I played this game for the first time last year and had to go out of my way to make that fucker spawn. Warmech is way more dangerous than Chaos himself, I was overleveled and it still almost killed my guys
>>11913696
Yes

>>11913696
Did I know?

>>11913696
>Chris Hooligan

How did a Brit enter an US contest?

>>11913703
A 1 in 64 chance to spawn is quite rare, specially since it only appears in a single area in the whole game. It's fair to say most people at the time wouldn't even know about it if it wasn't for Nintendo Power.

>>11913725
>>11913703
I got him to spawn on the second step in the corridor once.
I thought it was fate so I gave it a shot, needless to say I got my ass handed to me though my W.Mage managed to survive, escape, and revive everyone.

>>11913725
> It's fair to say most people at the time wouldn't even know about it
Encountering WarMECH by accident at the end of two back to back endgame level dungeons and getting obliterated must feel really bad

>>11913490
>both things were just called "fantasy",
They were "weird fiction" along with horror, back in the pulps. Lovecraft's work is pretty firmly all three.

>>11913626
Might and Magic 3 and I think 4+5 had an overt sci-fi endgame storyline where you are exploring spaceships that crash landed on your fantasy world and so on.

>>11913725
That boy's name? Gilgamesh.

>>11913490
Richard Garriott was just some nerd who threw any shit he thought was cool into the game and naive Japs thought it was the pinnacle of Western storytelling.

>>11914014
Might and Magic 1 is about figuring out the world you are on is actually a spaceship colony, and the king is actually an alien convict in disguise. Might and Magic 2 is about chasing that alien convict to another colony spaceship, and stopping him from making it fly into a star. I wanna say the 3rd one is where you finally put a stop to Sheltem(the alien convict). And just about every M&M game has you fighting against robots at one point, as well as being able to acquire and use laser pistols.

>>11913752
I thought the term was "speculative fiction" and that weird fiction was its own thing (that often overlapped with them)

>>11914143
NTA, but "weird fiction" is a name that Lovecraft-inspired writers chose for themselves to describe their cosmic horror stories, to separate them from Lovecraft's heckin problematic opinions on race.

t. failed author, used to hang out with the most insufferable indie writers on the planet

i love old fantasy + scifi in videogames
post more screenshots you cretins

>>11913490
>perhaps even Star Wars
There's no perhaps about it. A Princess of Mars was published in 1912 and I doubt it's even the first to mix the two.

>>11914068
Don't look up what "Sheltem" actually means in Hebrew, chuds... you'll get cancer cultured.

>>11913149
Actually in japan, sci-fi styled settings were not only more popular, they came FIRST. Think Astroboy influencing a whole lot of media that takes place in utopian or dystopian futures. Only when D&D showed up did fantasy start taking hold a little but there was still a lot of sci-fi elements in japanese fantasy. You can see it in a lot of games. FF isn't the only one. Chrono Trigger has the future, FF essentially became sci-fi from FF6 onwards (with a skip on 9 I guess), etc

>>11913473
Yeah this thread is actually being beamed in from a space station that orbits 4chan every 3 months

>>11915434
>(with a skip on 9 I guess), etc

It's been awhile but I remember the concepts about two planets feeling like they could be scifi but it dressed up in pure fairytale and fantasy wrapping. Sometimes fantasy/scifi is like that where with a few different words it could change genre. My favourite example is how Baten Kaitos (made by monolith soft) takes the idea of a disaster happening to earth and people living in space from Xenogears and making it fairytale like and flying islands instead of spaceships or colonies and magic. But even that has mecha.

Final Fantasy 9 also has a transforming robot summon based on one of Sakaguchi's first games which was a mecha game.

>>11913124 (OP)
>Fantasy
RPGs like FF and earlier M&Ms are more like Fantasy with Scifi Lostech.

>>11913363
>seamlessly merge the two concepts in the way Starwars did.
Scifi media is just not as popular as fantasy.

>>11913626
>a spacecraft in U7
that was just an easter egg from Wing Commander.

>>11913124 (OP)
>Why was there a space station with robots in Final Fantasy 1
science fantasy was big in the 80's, especially in japan. think star wars. also the lore of the game is that a more advanced society got bombed back to the stone age by the four fiends, the same people who built the airship and the submarine you use also made a space station before getting ganked by tiamat. that's also why you have the chance of running into the WARMECH and eating a fat NUKE if you're unlucky
>why did they change it
science fantasy was a lot less popular when it got remade. stranger of paradise did keep it as a crazy space station though

>>11913187
>t. Jack

>>11914143
I gather "speculative fiction" is a cope by people that want to read science fiction but don't want to admit they read "genre fiction".
Weird Tales was a prominent pulp magazine that published work by Lovecraft, Howard, and many others.

These threads always make me sad we never got a good Masters of the Universe game. It was my first big exposure to science + fantasy.

>>11913124 (OP)
Cid's race is pretty advanced

>>11913317
I read the Nintendo Power guide for FFI and it was always called a sky castle or floating fortress, which combined with the cover art frequently showing a clear image of a floating castle surrounded by dark clouds didn't give me any reason to think otherwise.

>>11913487
Explain the Hunter Mechs in Dragon Quest, then. Robots in medieval RPGs simply exist without reason because why not?

>>11913124 (OP)
The first post of the thread should have been plainly
>Star Wars/Trek

>>11916712
Yeah well Samus is a man as well if we go by Nintendo Power canon

>>11916712
The flying fortress as castle comes from Amano's concept art which devs only used as inspiration and wasn't really supposed to be taken literally. That might be one of the most extreme examplea but there are things like Magitek Amano art and in game designs being wildly different.

>>11913667
>Deep, Dark Dungeons

>>11916691
Yeah it was such a cool world that combined the two in a fun way that wasn't jarring. I wonder why there was never an NES game for it. Seems like it would have been so easy to translate into a video game.

I had this thread a month ago under this image OP. But because it warrants it...

>>11917319
>this thread.
Ok, so, if we take the whole of Sumerian, the ancient Veda's, the myths of giants, floods, wars, etc. we get...Advanced civ comes to earth, maybe more than one. Wants to colonize, set up a base, explore. Finds gold...not that there isn't more gold out in the system alone, more than 4000x over but, yeah gold (assumptions are now coming forth that gold is actually needed as a catalyst to refine AM). There is some kinda conflict among the sides and a war breaks out, this war can be interpreted as Aesir vs. Vanir, Deva's vs. Asuras, Ennead vs...well, themselves, and finally Titans vs. Olympians, in short, the Titanomachy. This conflict was before we were "made". Established who had rights to run the operations here. Some fuck all kick ass epic space war...based on Von Dieken, Sitchen et al.

>>11917321
After everyone's heels cooled. The working class of the aliens were tired of working, because, fuck, you know...an advanced race of beings who can stride the stars like we can walk from one end of the street to the other apparently fail at making automatons. So, a few of the "gods" find a primate that is close, but not quite the same as them. Based on interpretation, they either decide to Zeus the females or add some of their DNA to them, and presto! The perfect slave race to serve them! They had a bunch of advanced cities around and in between the Sinai and as far East as the Indian subcontinent...which conveniently have all vanished, including the ones in the sky (3 of them according to the Vedas) and that really, really neat one that Solon heard from some Kemet priest that he told his grandson.

>>11917334
Well, based on some things the sand people were going on about, humans were very busy fucking and making more of themselves, in part to mine that rock and...serve (?) and were making way to much noise and making the "gods" nervous. Probably thought there would be another revolt. Anyhow, they decided to flood the planet. Where the amount of water for this came from is debatable, but basically, they figured their chimeras could not swim. However, one "god" did not want the project to go to waste, and convinced Noah, Atrahasis, Deucalion, etc. to build a craft that could ride the storm out. What really happened? Probably Younger Dryas impact near Canada did fuck all to the ice and parts may have struck nearby.

>>11917338
As humanity tried to regrow, they figured their former masters would fuck them again and decided to build a tower. It was tall, maybe had help from lesser "gods", may have been a OE, who knows, but this pissed the "gods" off too and they scrambled humanities heads and thus created the different peoples due to languages n' shit.

>>11917340
Meanwhile, in the land where people shit in the streets and plot to fuck us all in ways the jews couldn't imagine, had two really long stories called the Mahabharata and the Ramayana, tl;dr, there was this global civilization that consisted of 7 or so really advanced cities (a few in the sky?) that were about to be embroiled in a really nasty war...not as bad as the one that happened before us, that one btw took out the fifth world, ruined Mars and Venus, because they were like Earth or something, closed Saturn's portal, gave it its rings, and a bunch of other bullshit, but hey, you had to be there because it was EPIC, but anyway, this war was about to go down and there were still some "gods" or their kids running around and decided to help one of the two factions. The cause of the war? Someone dropped the baddest "your momma" of all time and that just caused one side to chimp out (Hanuman?) like no other.

>>11917343
So, the war happened with the remains of the tech from the "gods". In fact, some of the tech was so fucking dangerous, it was hidden in a land to the SE of India, Astralaya, (Australia, the oldest of the continents, according to geology, why? Because they say its so flat and featureless, some people say the Earth is flat too, but really don't care because hate flying and don't really see a need to travel too far) these weapons are the surviving left overs from that space war the "gods" had and one of them actually fucking sounds like a lightsaber. Also, personable portable mini nukes, aircars, power armor, mind controlled drones, and one weapon that sounds like a AM bomb. This war lasted 18 days, killed 1.8 billion, destroyed the flying cities (one crashed, causing a giant wave in a land West of India) and the 7 other major cities worldwide and gave us a probably incorrect description of nuclear radiation based on a weapon that sounds more like a curse or spell. Also, we are still recovering from this conflict to this day and are now supposedly learning back those "wonders" we lost.

>>11917346
In short, ancient myths makeup the best science fiction fantasy ever and someone needs to put it all together and make some serious bank. You think when Marduk was on earth, he had a bike like this?

Phantasy Star is my favorite version of this because you get to see last days of the AI managed utopia where they have casual space travel, no one has to work, they've mastered biological immortality and genetic engineering. Then you crash it with no survivors in PS2 and by the time of 4 all that stuff is long lost technology and borderline stuff of legends.

>>11917370
Oh I forgot the biggest most obvious one. Motavia is a desert planet in PS1. They've mastered terraforming by the time of PS2 and it's a lush paradise. The Climate Control System is destroyed in that game and in PS4 it's largely turned back into a desert.

>>11914164
Retard alert
Lovecraft was published in the magazine Weird Tales and then even wrote an entire essay about the genre

>>11917370
It's been a long time since I played any of those, but isn't there a quest to get a rare antidote or something in the 4th game that's just a basic item sold in shops in the earlier ones?

>>11913124 (OP)
Why is space station snowflake? Are alien SJW? :D

>>11913613
Space anon, not a Singularity.
>>11914019
You are aware the reason for his interest is because his dad was a astronaut, right?
>>11913693
He had a better run with the lesser Square ship. Picrel.

>>11915835
>tfwyr, you will never be Bahaumut wearing customized armor using the weapons from WarMECH to blow Tiamat to ratshit.

>>11915843
Xenogears and 'Saga, hell, the whole concept proposed in Project Noah as a whole really does not fall into this concept per se. Closer to the means that the Phantasy Star games are in execution but strictly sci fi in premise. Zeboim is this counter, but its iffy to justify if it was a tech loss. After the crash of the Eldridge, then yes.

>>11919773
Classic sci-fi style anon. Something I wish we could go back to, but no...since 2001 and Star Wars, Used Future or...

>>11919867
Everything's An iPod (too fucking clean!) is where its at.

>>11917370
Prequel the first 4 games with a story on the Unification Wars

>>11916707
Airships are neat.

>>11916161
We must also thank the grumpy old bastard...

>>11919884
And his love for the Tale of the Princess who Loved Insects.

>>11913693
And then there was this asshole.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tfoQM6jNhW0&pp=ygUST21lZ2Egd2VhcG9uIGZmIHh2

>>11913124 (OP)
Science-fantasy is fucking terrible. Nine times out of ten, it means that the developers didn't actually care about the setting and just threw in whatever random bullshit.

>>11919862
I just meant Baten Kaitos seemed to reuse the idea from Perfect Works. Which is a world flood myth. Not anything literal in the plot. I wasn't really talking about any Xeno gears like this being science fantasy.

Scifi fantasy doesn't really have to be the same as lost civilizations having advanced tech

I always thought the "Ohhh, it's called a Floating Castle because it's an orbital space station, and it's floating in space." was a really cool surprise. Sucks the remakes just make it a literal lame floating castle (that's still laid out like a space station and is overrun with killer robots)