Thread 11915356

>Maki, Yun, Eagle, and Ingrid have been hacked into Alpha 3 Upper.
>The different fighting styles from the DC port of Alpha 3 have been hacked into Alpha 3 Upper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkKhAJoFz4

Hey remember SFA3? Well, Capcom just released the definitive edition of the game.

That's cool. But now give it to me as a CPS2 ROM instead of a bloated 4GB install with DRM.

>>11915457
>not even understanding what Alpha 3 Upper is, let alone Alpha 3 MAX

You should be asking for a Dreamcast GDI, technically.

I understand perfectly well what they are. I'm saying if it doesn't run in Kawaks I don't care. Otherwise these features and more have been in Mugen for decades.

>>11915463
Supposedly Alpha 3 Upper in every form has always had a modicum of input latency until the CFC2 release but I don't know how true that is.

>the input lag is soul

>>11915457
>NO! HOW DARE YOU GIVE EVERYONE A FREE CONTENT UPDATE ON SEVERAL GAMES! GIVE ME LE HECKIN ROM TO PIRATE AND MAYBE PLAY WITH THE 5 OTHER PEOPLE AVAILABLE INSTEAD OF THE HUGE PLAYERBASE OFFICIAL RELEASES PROVIDE!
k

c-can they put the missing characters in vsav already then?

>>11915481
Threesome with Lilith and Q-Bee.

>>11915473
>Supposedly Alpha 3 Upper in every form has always had a modicum of input latency until the CFC2 release but I don't know how true that is.
That is not true. I have tested and detailed my findings on this subject here before. In short the Street Fighter Zero 3 Upper for Matching Service on the Dreamcast, which is distinct from the earlier "saikyo dojo" release, does not have the additional lag found in the arcgade and aforementioned "saikyo dojo" release. The lag in the "for Matching Service" version is identical to the cps2 arcade.

>>11915356 (OP)
meanwhile powerstone 1 and 2 are the arcade versions, which makes no sense

>>11915528
Street Fighter Zero 3 CPS2 - 3
Street Fighter Zero 3 Upper (Naomi) - 5
Street Fighter Zero 3 Saikyo Dojo JPN - 4
Street Fighter Alpha 3 Saikyo Dojo USA - 4
Street Fighter Alpha 3 Saikyo Dojo PAL - 4
Street Fighter Zero 3 Saikyo Dojo For Matching Service JPN - 3

>>11915535
It's supposed to be an arcade collection.

That's why Alpha 3 has no World Tour or Dramatic Battle mode.

>>11915506
threesome with morrigan and midnight bliss jedah.

>>11915561
>arcade collection
>just added psp characters to arcade

>>11915356 (OP)
LMAO ALPHA 3 MAX IS CANON
DENIERS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>11915613
Yeah...well...

>>11915356 (OP)
Pretty sure this is mainly because of Ingrid getting dredged up for SF6.

>>11915356 (OP)
Bet every retard who bought the Anniversary Collection feels retarded lmao
>>11915457
Holy fucking retard. More proof this place is dumber than /v/
>>11915613
If you want an overpriced collection of unadulterated MAME roms, get pic related.

>>11915457
Nigga, you had almost 20 years to play Alpha 3 MAX on a stupid defunct handheld or on a emulator.
At least the new update will bring more people to finally play more of Alpha 3, not the 12 negroes on Fightcade.

That's cool but where's the PC port?

>2025
>I
>am
>Forgotten

>>11915680
That's not much of a game.

>>11915675
>>11915680
Volume 3.

>>11915675
In the trash where Udon slop belongs.

Alpha 2 is still the best tho

>>11915675
Never. Make savings for inevitable Omega Street Fighter II for Nintendo Switch 2 which adds a new character Ruthless Chun-Li.

>>11915790
Alpha 2 puts me to sleep

>>11915790
Based A2 enjoyer

>>11915790
Why not both?

Arcade SFA3 is based. A3 Max is a glorified mugen game at this point. It will never be a tournament standard.

>>11915832
I play both but like Alpha 2 more. Thank God it is not exploited by nu Capcom like Alpha 3 is. I don't want zoomers and normies in my community

>>11915840
>not wanting more players to play against

Frankly Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection needs to get replaced, supplanted, something, I dunno. These in-house collections are getting better and better, and with MK Legacy Kollection going out of their way to do shit like "Hey here's MK Trilogy with the loading cut down", it makes me want to see a PROPER compilation of the entire SF series prior to 4. The arcade releases, the numerous home releases, shit like SNES SFA2, GBA SFA3, the PC Engine port of SF2 Champion Edition, shitty handheld versions, the works.

>>11915836
I'm not interested in playing vanilla SFA3 27 years after release.

>>11915356 (OP)
>hacked
Might not have been. I'm not sure if these ports are done by emulation or are built from the original source code to make a true port. These aren't CPS2 games using assembly language or C. It would be C++, and preserved by Capcom (I know this for a fact) for future ports. People have been assuming it's emulation but I haven't seen a confirmation of that.

>>11915876
Honestly not sure myself. I'm digging through CFC2 files this moment now that you got me thinking about it, the sound gallery stuff is all its own files of .sngw, the Capcom Fighting Evolution opening videos are strangely .mp4s in the files on their own, and everything of the game files themselves are stored in .arc files. With no real knowledge of how all that works, it doesn't look like simple roms at least but either spread across a certain file format for reading and editing things efficiently, or some bizarre non-emulation ports.

>>11915861
>the numerous home releases, shit like SNES SFA2, GBA SFA3, the PC Engine port of SF2 Champion Edition, shitty handheld versions, the works.

There's always complications to these things, and little bits of code or whatever might be owned or co-owned by some old company that might not even exist anymore. When the rights to the original Cotton were bought by Beep they couldn't just slap on the music from The PC-Engine CD version, even though they own the rights to the composition. But not the specific arrangement from the Hudson soft port. That requires more work with a new party, which means more complication, more cost, so why bother? It's usually easier to just make a new version of the music than to deal with that.

>>11915885
>>11915876
You can use ArcTool to unpack the .arc files and find the exact roms they used for the collection and even modify them a bit through PalMod with no issue.

So there's definitely emulation involved in some form. How they're cramming all this new stuff in them is anyone's guess.

>>11915626
No it isn't. If it were, then Yun would be a time traveler.

>>11915457
you would already be hours deep into a3 on fightcade if you actually cared

>>11916417
i whole heartedly believe yun is cancerous enough to discover time travel just so he can annoy the fuck out of everyone

>>11915824
Clayton...

>>11915356 (OP)
>- No Experience? No Problem!
>This collection boasts a number of beginner-friendly features such as adjustable difficulty levels, **One Button Specials**, and training modes.
How does this work with charge moves? Does it just let you spam them at an otherwise "illegal" timing?

>>11916417
This is just misinformation that's been passed around the internet. Show me exactly where Yun and Yang have stated ages at certain times. And show me exactly where it says certain games are certain years apart.

>>11915670
You're smoking more crack than the negroes if you think people are suddenly going to play this game. And I'm not talking about 40 year olds party mashing through some CPUs

>>11915481
For all the complaining I see about this, I never see anyone actually give a shit about Pyron, Donovan and Phobos.

>>11916119
>You can use ArcTool to unpack the .arc files and find the exact roms they used for the collection and even modify them a bit through PalMod with no issue.
You know this specifically for this CFC2 release?

>>11915356 (OP)
Was thinking of buying this until
>70 active players on Steam right now

Given my location that means maybe 2-3 of them would be close enough to have a good game.

>>11917263
I literally main Huitzil/Phobos in the Saturn version of VSav. I'd like him in the arcade version too.

>>11916476
You don't get to do them in Ranked, basically.

I think Maki is really cool as a character. I like her design a lot, but unfortunately she kind of sucks gameplaywise.

>>11915356 (OP)
So how good are the four new characters on the tier list?
Is there even a consensus on them at all?

drip feeding content
>no balance patch
They know that player retention in fighting games is poor, and it's even worse in older games. I don't believe the hype

>>11917413
>>no balance patch
Zero 3 Upper is rebalanced from vanilla alpha 3. So it *is* the balance patch. It's largely unexplored from a competitive point of view.

>>11916615
>>11916417
Yeah, Yun and Yang are twins who are either late teens or early 20s in SFIII which takes place a decade after the other games. So by the time of Alpha 3, Yun and Yang should be like 5? This only works if Yun/Yang are like in their 30s in SF3 which no one would agree with.

>>11916417
>>11917475
He has a non-canon appearance in a canon game. Just a bonus character.

>>11917413
>drip feeding content
I don't think you realize how these collections work. Besides things like secret characters, flash reduction, and things like EO as a choice patch for CvS2 or fan backlash making them put up the X-Men vs. Street Fighter version that had more infinites after it was absent at launch, these games mostly only get changes for the sake of certain sexual or licensed content (a certain Darkstalkers ending removed due to nudity, a certain Midnight Bliss transformation removed because it was Enya from Jojo). These things get released, and that's just sort of "it", there is no content to dripfeed because they're supposed to be collections as is.

The fact that the Alpha 3 MAX/GBA characters are being added in is, effectively, unprecedented for any of these sorts of emulation collections. It's clearly to advertise Ingrid's return in SF6, but collections rarely make substantial changes to actual game content unless absolutely necessary, never mind adding new characters into the game assets despite them ostensibly being arcade emulation. So Capcom literally hacked character data from an old PSP port into an arcade game, somehow.

>>11915463
>Mugen
you're fucking retarded.

>>11915670
the collection is already dead and this shit ain't bringing anyone back

>>11915861
The people who did SF 30th Collection are the ones doing the MK collection
don't get your hopes up

>>11917484
SOMEHOW being the keyword here.

it is a well known fact that companies rarely, IF EVER, keep the source code to their games, in order to be able to modify a naomi game with the content of a later version from an entirely different platform, you would need the source code of BOTH Versions. and if THAT is even the case, then why the fuck not port MAX to the collection instead of making a rom?

>>11916476
They automatically do charge for it's actual length.
So Guile will walk back for a bit and do the sonic boom.

>>11917514
>and if THAT is even the case, then why the fuck not port MAX to the collection instead of making a rom?
Arcade collection focus I guess, same reason why Power Stone 1&2 doesn't have the PSP version interactivity that allowed the 2 characters to be used in 1. But this does raise questions, like precisely what source code is lying around since it's now becoming apparent they do have some lying around from at least the PSP and Naomi/Dreamcast eras after all.

>>11917475
Are you fucking retarded? I just finished saying have proof because all their is is misinformation on the internet and you literally fire back with repeating the same shit that's been repeated for decades now with no citation. There's absolutely no way you're this dumb.

>>11917537
SF4 was the first street fighter to do away with actual dates for shit
at release, SF3 canonically happens in 97 through 99
obviously that's no longer the case but it IS a fact that SFA happens before SF2 and SF4/SFV take place after that and before SF3, thats many years worth of shit and Yun and Yang are clearly young men in SF3

>>11917537
third strike takes place long enough after SF2 for Ken's kid to be conceived, born, and be of age to start training martial arts
Alpha takes place before SF2
it's not that hard to figure out anon

>>11917281
Yes, I tested it out myself. And since each of these collections were done in MT Framework, the same method of extracting content works for each of them.

The ROMs themselves are encrypted, though, so you can't really use them on any other emulators.

>>11917548
Proof!

>>11917553
>third strike takes place long enough after SF2 for Ken's kid to be conceived, born, and be of age to start training martial arts
At least that's something.

>>11917567
>prove common knowledge from that era because i'm a zoomer
sometimes I really hate this board

>>11916615
SF1, SF2, SF3 were all set in the year of their initial edition's release (except 3rd strike which is a year after 2nd impact)
Alpha is between SF1 and 2 so whatever Yun's age in 3rd Strike he'd be like a decade younger in Alpha
what >>11917475 said is basically correct

>>11917570
>muh common sense fallacy
I know this shit too, the difference between you and I is I'm smart enough to question it. "Where did it start?" Nowhere? It's bullshit.

>>11917578
Prove it.

>>11917578
>>11916615
Floating timelines came later. When SF1-2 were released they were portrayed as taking place when they were released because when else would they? They even gave definitive ages for the SF2 cast, and in 1997 Ryu would be 31, Ken 32, and Chun-li 29 which completely fits the story which is about how old they are and how they're passing the torch to the new generation.

Yun-Yang ARE the new generation that the old geezer cast are supposed to be passing the torch to and those two specifically have the characteristics of 90s teenagers.

However, SF3 was a bomb, so they shifted to a moving timeline and vague time gaps. All the games take place "now", but what "now' means shifts with new games. The gaps between game development also means like 6 years between games, meaning you can't have them age up that much anymore.

So the way it works out:

>SF1 - 1987
>Alpha games - gap between 1-2
>SF2 - 1991
>SF3 - 1997

Let's say Yun-Yang are 19 in 1997, and say Alpha 3 is like 1989? They would be 11. That's being very generous too. I legitimately think Yun-Yang are supposed to be outright teenagers, so like 15.

On top of that they're based on Gundam Wing characters who were canonically 15.

>>11917602
So 15 in 1997 = birth date of 1982. Literally little kids in alpha timeline.

>>11917602
15 is fair because they're prodigies, Sakura was a teenager in Alpha 2 & 3 after all, but people act like they're factually tiny babby kids in SFA3M and therefore that version is impossible.

>>11917625
Also, remember how age is treated in Japanese media. Auron the aged veteran battle-monk with greying hair who acts like a mentor to the main characters? He's 35!

The original plan as of SF3 was to transition the old SF2 cast into these kind of old mentor figure characters and to pass the torch to characters like Yun-Yang and Sean.

>>11917592
yeah everybody who was there knows it because we all independently hallucinated the same thing.
fucking retard.

>>11917663
Then I'm sure it's super easy to prove, and you can just show me up. :)

funny how proveitfag was all over this thread like a fly on shit until someone finally spoonfed him the proof of what everybody else already knew was true

>>11917557
Have you been able to extract the data and play it in an emulator with the new characters?

>>11917678
He proved my point. Just take the L.

>>11917678
The thing is that current Capcom pretends it was always a floating timeline, when it was obvious they didn't plan that out. It's only a consquence of III bombing and IV being released like a decade later.

They most likely thought they'd be releasing new SF games every few years, likely every console generation, and had storylines planned for the new characters that went nowhere. Sean got the raw end of the stick, as I am sure they were gonna have him being a loser who mans up and becomes a cool hardened fighter in a decade of gaming. But alas: he's a joke in the only game he's in.

>>11917602
>When SF1-2 were released they were portrayed as taking place when they were released because when else would they?
this is the key point honestly. they weren't presented as games taking place in the future or the past, why would you assume they took place any time but the year they released? throw in character birthdays that put Chun-li in her early 20s, Ryu and Ken mid-to-late 20s, Guile at 31 in 1991, what more you asking for?

>>11917695
>he's a joke in the only game he's in.
why speak from ignorance? Sean was so good in 2I that he got nerfed into the ground in 3S. He wasnt bad in NG either.

>>11915356 (OP)
Why not just use the PSP port instead?

>>11917339
>>11917518
Makes sense.

>>11917776
It'd likely be much harder to add rollback online to that.

>>11915356 (OP)
>The different fighting styles from the DC port of Alpha 3 have been hacked into Alpha 3 Upper.
The what now?

>>11919835
Nothing's documenting this regularly, I had to gleam it from a GameFAQs post. Basically mode/rule select stuff.

>>11919913
OP is a retard, these things were all part of the original arcade release of SFA3. You just had to put in a code to use them

Can't wait til they add in Hyper's Shadaloo-isms.

I think it's pretty fucking cool that Capcom created a complete version of Alpha 3 with this update. You can now play versus mode locally with exclusive characters from the PSP version. I don't think I've seen such a patch for a classic title done in such a way before.

>>11920116
Come to think of it, it's missing World Tour mode, but you know what I mean. Most feature rich I guess.

>>11915535
>>11917530
>>11917514
The fact that Alpha 3 got its PSP exclusive content but NOT Power Stone 1 & 2 tells me that Capcom probably doesn't have the source code for the Power Stone collection despite still having Alpha 3 MAX's code.
Why would that even be the case? They're both ports from Dreamcast/NAOMI to the PSP released in the exact same time period. Did they just view A3M as "more valuable to save" or something?

>>11917567
ibuki wears air max 95s in her win pose

>>11921117
>ibuki wears air max 95s in her win pose

>>11921102
what exclusive content does stone psp have?

>>11921739
Being able to play the newcomers from the second game in the first 1 and the cut characters from 1 in 2.

>Purchased the collection in response to this news.
>Play solo for a few hours, decide to try online power stone
>Can't find a game
>Realize the player count on steam is only 71
Did I fuck up?

>>11922628
yep. the time to get matches in this collection was the first few weeks after launch, it's dead now

>>11922635
That's fucked. Is this just a Steam issue or is every platform struggling to retain players?

Maki is extremely hot and I want her to be hacked into more games. I think Rondo of Blood and FF6 would be a good start. After that we can tackle Umihara Kawase

>>11919913
>gleam
glean
glean
glean
you gleaned it

>>11921172
>Showing off her outfit after annoying the fuck out of another player who doesn't know the matchup

Is Yun broken in this game, or is he more like CVS2 Yun?

>>11915356 (OP)
Where's World Tour from Saturn version

>>11922636
I feel like i was getting more CvS2 matches on PS5 than on PC a few weeks ago, but that might have been coincidence. Pretty much every other game is dead though
these collections see the most activity on launch week then quickly die, happened to CapCollection 1 and MvC collection too

>>11922713
>Pretty much every other game is dead though
Damn, I would have assumed Alpha would have players at least. You think it might see more activity with it technically becoming the "definitive release" of Alpha next update?

>>11922767
for like another week or two.
most dedicated A3 players are playing vanilla A3 on fightcade and aren't really interested in Upper.

>>11922657
He's ported from CvS2 basically verbatim.

Can they hack and update in cross play to this shitty release?

>>11922713
Cause people wise up and go back to Fightcade.

>>11924545
CvS2 is better on the collection than on fightcade's Naomi emulator honestly, lower overall latency. Sure ranked mode is EO but private lobbies can be whatever version you like. Almost everyone still on the collection on Steam is there for CvS2

>>11924561
The real benefit of the collection over fightcade is that they bothered to implement a proper training mode for the game.

>>11924776
facts, but for me personally that's not too huge. I play K-Groove and mostly just try to win neutral

IT'S OUT!

>>11917557
>The ROMs themselves are encrypted, though, so you can't really use them on any other emulators.
Damn. Any possible chance of decryption so Alpha 3 MAX with crouch-cancelling can be played on Fightcade?

>>11925972
Assuming this collection splits up the audio data from the ROM like the MvC one did for MvC2, decryption definitely isn’t happening, but there was someone who was actually porting over some of the data in the CFC2 ROM into the OG ROM, so you can play it without input lag on something like Flycast. They stopped working on it a while ago unfortunately, but they atleast released a beta patch beforehand.
https://www.arcade-projects.com/threads/capcom-fighting-collection-2-street-fighter-zero-3-upper-sega-naomi-p-o-r-t.34097/

>>11915675
Works on my machine

>>11926004
>no rollback online
ok great thanks

>>11926004
>citron
Is that worth using over the final versions of Yuzu and Ryujinx?

>>11915356 (OP)
Looks like if you turn on the Alpha 3 MAX characters, it also rebalances EVERY character to how they were in A3M.
https://x.com/catapult/status/1953302802991628440

>>11927665
The comments seem to state that not all of A3M's rebalances are carried over.

>>11927665
So can we finally use this as the tourney standard?

>>11928279
EVO, the world championship of fighting games, drew 34 people for A3 tourney, anon. That's up from the usual 12-20 people at the "big" majors.

Game is dead, bro.

>>11928279
no. the Alpha 3 scene is going to play vanilla Alpha 3 just like they always have.

Figured this is a good place to ask this but should fighting game makers go back to rebalance some popular legacy titles and bring them back to arcades for awhile?

Genuine question because some swear that the broken nature of some old fighters is sacred and would never accept them being changed. Some in SFA2 swear by the Valle CC, players of Third Strike seem to be OK with the game only having a handful of top tier fighters, and Vampire Savior like 3S has a dominant top-tier with glitched moves and players spent years getting good as Zabel and Sasquatch.

But those are great games and the reason to not give one more try at fixing some of their problems and bringing them up to a fresh tournament standard always seemed artificial to me. If they made an actual GOOD arcade version of VSAV with the missing characters and stages added in an proper balance, people wouldn't play that in arcades?

I think thats what Capcom's next collection should be. VSAV, SFA3, 3S all with new balance and maybe some new modes and a fun feature like a new stage for each. And bring them to arcades.

>>11930325
>players of Third Strike seem to be OK with the game only having a handful of top tier fighters,
this is because people still play the whole cast regardless. I'm not even very good at the game and I could beat the brakes off a weaker player using top tier Chun or Yun with anyone on the roster. there are two big name Twelve players who make deep runs in brackets across the US and online with the undisputed worst character in the game.
anyway to answer your question, no, first and foremost because arcades are dead as shit. beyond that, all the people who actually love these games are already playing them, aren't dissuaded by the balance as it stands, and aren't going to move to some rebalanced version. meanwhile anyone who would be attracted by "3rd Strike but balanced" is more than likely a casual who will drop the game after a few weeks, just like all casuals do with fighting games.
In fact there already exists "3rd Strike but balanced", it's a hack called 4rd Strike and nobody plays it because it's boring and everybody likes the original better.

>>11930325
>If they made an actual GOOD arcade version of VSAV
They did. It was called Vampire Savior and it was released in arcades in 1997.

>>11930325
Not worth it commercially.
That's literally it. Rebalancing happens in enhanced ports or remakes, like HD Remix. Not as updates that add nothing besides balance.
If you really want more balancing in old games, try ROM hacks like SSF2T New Legacy or MK3 Balanced Edition.

>>11930325
The Valle CC has counterplay lol.
You don't seem to really know what you're talking about, you sound like a casual. There's nothing wrong with that, but companies catering to casuals like you has made modern fighting games pretty fuckin bad while failing to keep any of you around longer than a month or so. So no, I'd rather not see any of your silly casual ideas implemented. People have been playing VSav, Alpha 2, and 3rd Strike for almost 30 years, nobody wants any "improvements" thought up by someone who doesn't actually play any of the games.

>>11929156
Evo used Upper Edition this year.

>>11930509
shut up you dumb old faggot

>>11930517
not an argument. seethe.

>>11930443
I'm not sure if they wouldn't be appreciated desu. Most new fighting games are dogshit anyway, and its not like the development would be severe. And people clearly want to keep going back to these games. People hate fan patches, but an official one, specially if some of the original designer names are attached, would be a different thing.

Arcades are apparently not so dead that SF6 is getting an arcade version. And its mostly oldfags in arcades now, who might appreciate a new standard to get into. People also love to point out how "this player got pretty far with X weak character" but someone think thats a victory other than it fucking sucking that the finals of any of these games will always be chun or yun.

Like I was saying, it seems like MOST of the reasons not to are abit artificial. It just doesn't "feel right" to some, but I don't see why an old game can't be revisited with a new regulation.

>>11930460
yeah VSAV is missing characters and is horribly unbalanced. You can get good as any character but someone at your skill level will trash you playing top tier. If there is any game that should be considered for rebalance and fixes, its VSAV.

>>11930509
Keep playing the rom. You'd have to be the dumbest of shiteaters to not be able to think something as simple as "maybe Chun's Houyoku Sen should only stock 1 bar" or think "Valle CC influence on the game is abit undue"
To all that other shit you trying to pretend like you're pro: fuck you, I don't care

>>11930525
I'm not arguing anymore with your types. Just straight up ad hominems from here on out.

>>11930443
>who make deep runs in brackets across the US
in other words: they lose in semi-finals

Only in Turd Strike do you have people giving more props to people who lost in semis than the actual winners of the tournaments. So much for "play to win".

>>11930616
even the player who won last EVO who played Elena all tournament had to switch to Chun and fags like this want us to get all excited for seeing this soulless grandfinal matchup for the billionth time like they are

>>11930614
>I can't win an argument against your position so i'm just going to fling insults
hey alright

>>11930616
they would lose in semifinals to the people winning the brackets no matter what character any of them chose. the gap between the best of the best in 3S and everybody else is massive.
not that you'd know, given that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.
>>11930647
if you don't like 3rd Strike maybe you should watch something else
those of us who actually appreciate the game are entertained by the match that unfolds in front of us, not something shallow like "omg it's yang that dude has cool hair!
>>11930606
everything you're saying is making it abundantly clear that you're a casual who doesn't play the games, and has indeed spent more time reading wikis and watching youtube videos than playing.
the communities around these games don't want you or your little "improvements", we like the games just fine as they are.

>>11930724
The best moment from that entire event was the Hugo destroying that Ken not the grand finals you dumb insufferable faggot

>>11930724
you are projecting so hard. Most anyone agrees VSAV is a great game DESPITE its poisoned balance, not because of it. Many of the posts about its inclusion in the capcom collection were wishing it included all the characters. Really you should stop pretending like you're something you're not. No one believes you're the chain smoking japanese arcade gamer you wish you were, you're just a turd trying to signal

Go play the rom. People who actually love those games would be interested in the games revisiting arcades and seeing if it catches on with balance touches and the roster fixed.

>>11930443
>>11930504
the source of the balances seems to matter most. Like when Asuka 120% got a big balance update to its Saturn ISO from the original devs and a small group actually enthusiastically play that supposedly

>>11930802
yeah, to casuals like you.
>>11930840
people who actually love these games play them as they are and don't want casualized "improvements"
if anything you were saying were correct people would have loved Super Turbo HD Remix. it was rebalanced. guess what people still play to this day? the original from 94. lmfao. dipshit
>>11930845
nobody is talking about dead kusoge like Asuka 120%, Sailor Moon for the SNES, or Joy Mech Fight

>>11930724
>they would lose in semifinals to the people winning the brackets no matter what character any of them chose. the gap between the best of the best in 3S and everybody else is massive.
you're an idiot who can't follow the simple logic of a discussion.

>>11930325
They're more likely to break them further

>>11930961
you're retarded.
seak is gonna lose to FrankieBFG no matter if seak picks Yun instead of Twelve and if Frankie picks Sean instead of Ken. that's facts. if you didnt know this off the rip you're too ignorant to be talking about 3S competitively.
keep your ignorant youtube-fed takes to your dumbass self.

>>11930918
People don't like HD remix mainly because it looked like a bootleg flash animation game on new grounds

>>11930969
>still doesn't understand the very simple logic of anon's posts
yep, you're dumb.

>>11930724
Why didn't MOV stick with Elena then for grand finals? Because you're a stupid faggot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

It's occurred to me anon is one of many fox-vs-fox no hope boomer grinding the top tier pick in every game failing to make it to any stage in life. Everyone, including designers, are better off when they ignore eternal fuckups like you

>>11930724
shut up you dumb old faggot

>Cave releases new revision of a classic shmup with some changes for arcade. Fans have to learn new patterns and shit.
>shmupfans: "Awesome! New version of a great game!""
>Try to do the same for old capcom fighter, fans have to learn new balances.
>"FGC": "NOOO SAR NOT LIKE THAT"

>>11931173
because MOV is playing in the upper echelon where everyone is gonna play minimum effort maximum result characters. once he's playing against his own level he's gonna pick top tier. that's true in every fighting game worth a damn, dipshit.
why did MOV get all that way playing Elena before, moron? Elena's trash. he's just that far above everyone else.
all you casuals think the existence of a god tier makes the game bad when you couldn't win a game against some pissant journeyman using Q no matter what god tier character you pick. you could play MSS in Marvel 2 and you'd lose to a mid-tier goofball team piloted by someone who puts the barest effort into learning the game.
fucking morons the lot of you.
I wish all you dipshit scrubs would just fuck off and never speak on these games, because you don't know them, you don't love them, you certainly don't play them. Not like us, not like the people who meet up once or twice a week to play and grind and have a good time together. your opinions mean shit. nobody cares what you think.

>>11931031
false. you're an ignorant scrub who should shut the fuck up about fighting games forever.
>>11931068
you're the one who doesn't understand shit here. you're an ignorant scrub who should shut the fuck up about fighting games forever
>>11931212
beat me in 3rd Strike and I will. oh wait! you don't even play the game. shut the fuck up about fighting games forever.

all of you, kill yourselves immediately.

>>11931328
Yeah FGC autists are some of the biggest fags on earth.

>>11930325
Yes. Ignore the retard.

spandex spats very sexy yes yes

>>11931328
>FGC
I mean, if you were some casual and you picked up a game after a few years or even decades and did something you expected to work and it didn't, you wouldn't want to put any effort into relearning something that old.

>>11932690
isn't that just how new fighting game versions are? wouldn't this hypothetical casual know that sometimes you have to learn slight variances between versions?

>>11932756
No.

>>11932762
>No.
ah ok you're retarded

>>11932765
>can't into grammar
>calls other people retarded

>>11931437
you're a moron

Uh oh melty

>>11933317
>>11933378
Eat shit and die.

So with Upper being upgraded to Max, what's stopping Capcom from upgrading one of the Darkstalkers games to this?

>>11933721
maybe if SF6 ever needs to shill a darkstalkers character like Ingrid...

afaik aren't the best parts of that port the bonus modes? which are missing from this upgrade too

>>11933749
AFAIK this is the only Darkstalkers game where you can play as every character.

>>11933721
Ingrid was likely the primary incentive for this case. Otherwise, we have no idea. If MAX assets/code are lying around for them to refigure into Upper like this, I guess it largely depends on whether Chronicles is lying around too, and the same goes for the Power Stone debate before. These collections already died for main appeal, so there's no reason for monetary gain here.

>>11933765
there is the PS1 and PS2 port I think

>>11930325
That is what Hyper Street Fighter II and A3 Upper are and nobody played those for any length of time before going back to the normal game. There is only new shit with sponsored tournaments and old games people already like, nothing between.

>>11917504
Poormacaco cope
Back to your Fightcade favela

>>11915796
For me, it's Psycho Cammy

>>11919913
So basically Normal, Intermediate, Hard, and Normal+

>>11933875
I’m loving all these evil version names you guys are coming up with. I unironically really want to see that now. I’m a huge Violent Ken fan.

idk how anyone plays these games on modern devices.

You need a CRT for these games not to look putrid.

>>11933765
Vampire Chronicle for Matching Service lets you choose every character and you can also pick different versions depending on the game she/he was in. This also applies to characters that weren't in previous games.
I think the Saturn port might have full roster too.

>>11933880
no, not even close

>>11933875
isn't that Decapre?

>>11933776
A3 Upper had a very limited arcade release, so even getting to find it to play was hard. Infact I think that's a lot of the issue with the scene around these games in that boards for the CPS games are around in people's possessions and most arcades probably have an A3 or VSAV tucked away somewhere. Thats most of the appeal I think.

On the other hand when people talk about these games online, there's always someone asking if you can play with the whole roster of Vampire, or saying they wish the MAX characters were in the game (now they are). People obviously give a damn or it wouldn't keep coming up. ST doesn't really have the advantage of missing characters to excite people as much.

That said the Mikado gamecenter just held a Hyper event and it had good views. Recently at EVO Japan the runners chose to run SAMURAI SHODOWN V PERFECT as their version of the game (the previously unreleased version of V thats only been unearthed like 5 years ago). Maybe the situation is way more complicated and open to change than people think? I see "hated" series entries getting played and fucking adored on international tournaments.

I know I'm being autistic as fuck laboring this as if I actually care that damn much but I think its more sensible to think about an actual idea for these games than just default back to old lessons that might be outdated thinking now. Its like when everyone in 2010 just assumed fighting game ports would always fail on PC and now look at shit. I also see comments often like "its boring seeing the same characters always" in comments lately in some tournament footage. This is all hypothetical anyway, as if Capcom would bother with this but I'll still argue my point.

>>11933880
They're not difficulties, they're gimmick modes for the player that bothers with them, whether someone wants a more SF2-style game out of Alpha or to intentionally handicap and enable special sorts of matches.

>>11919913
IIRC Classic is very broken and overpowered.

>>11933960
Mikado fucks around with everything, that is the gimmick. SSVP at Evo Japan was a sponsored tournament, pay attention to the fucking things I am saying to you when you waste my time by replying to me.

>>11934074
>Mikado fucks around with everything, that is the gimmick.
That's how idiots like you get with the program.

does the update remove infinites? I think they should just make one tournament standard and have a big SFA3 Max Evo tournament for 2026.

>>11935365
no.
casuals fuck off.

>>11933932
We don't talk about that ho.
She's not even a cool evil counterpart.

>>11935458
This version is the new standard.

>>11936369
no it isn't.
nobody gives a fuck what casuals like you think. you don't even play the games.

>>11936371
It was the version played at Evo this year. Evo is the standard.

I actually have a friend at capcom and I could put some word in about this, or any other advice. Anyone have any balancing suggestions for vampire savior, third strike or street fighter alpha? I haven't really played much of either yet but I'm really excited to and will be putting some advice in later. Anons post what you would change and I'll forward it

>>11936374
Unfortunately the fightcade poverty-fags (even poorfag is too generous) won't ever adopt it because they can't afford to pay $20 for CFC2.

>>11936374
EO is also the standard for CVS2 now, so delicious is the tears of the babbies who whine they need roll canceling to play the game

>>11936374
CEO 2025 also used the CFC2 version. There were 39 entrants, which was more than Evo.

I think it's worth noting that moving from vanilla Alpha 3 to Double Upper as the tourney standard adds not just the four characters mentioned in the OP, but all the original console exclusive characters as well. So that's actually

Completed Boxer (he lacked many attacks in vanilla)
Completed Juni
Completed Juli
Evil Ryu
Guile
Dee Jay
Fei Long
T. Hawk
Yun
Ingrid
Maki
Eagle

That's a massive update. Several "seasons" worth of updates in modern fighting game terms. Like the upgrade from vanilla SF4 to Super SF4.

If existing alpha 3 players reject this at this point they're just beyond stupid. They really have no excuse not to play it other than resistance to change. Here's hoping this release inspires some new faces to pick up the game.

>>11936374
Exactly zero versions of Alpha 3 were held as an official Evo event this year. If anyone played Upper that weekend, it was a side bracket with no official Evo endorsement, and likely done solely as a novelty. Next year will be back to business as usual.
Regardless Evo isn't the standard of anything anymore. For years now it's been a bullshit corporate "esports" show part-owned by Sony. As a casual, you didn't have a clue about this, naturally.

>>11936412
Honestly the only reason I'd personally bitch about it is that the MAX/CVS2 additions are all dogshit because they weren't properly rescaled for A3, having their pixels look oversized and blotchy. But otherwise, yeah; besides some balance tweaks that came with this overall toggleable mode plus Upper in general, which may not to be some people's favor (and some of the balancing comes with toggling the new characters on), it's otherwise definitive. Your only other "relatively mainstream" options are getting arcade boards or the 30th Anniversary Collection which sucks donkey dick, since pulling out the Alpha Anthology on PS2, the Saikyo Dojo Dreamcast release, or the Zero 3 Saturn port, is just not really plausible. For the most playable release of A3 and especially this sorta "Upper+", there's no other way to look unless you absolutely want Dramatic Battle and World Tour.

Not that it really matters in the long term anyway; Alpha 3 is and always has been more of the "casual cool title" for content mass and spectacle, versus Alpha 2 being the actual competitive standard of the sub-series that most stick to.

>>11936512
is the PS2 Alpha Anthology considered a good port of A3? Just wondering if my copy is spiffy in some way

There were several Japanese youtube channels that stream arcade Alpha tournaments and I've only really seen A3 streamed, not really A2 much at all

>>11936412
I think one issue is that arcades tend to run these tournaments and they seem heavily incentivized to run them on arcade hardware. That's why I think arcade ports, whether on exA-Arcadia is a good stim-shot to both reviving interest and bringing in new blood

https://exa.ac/en/games-list/?v=0f177369a3b7

exA-Arcadia has been releasing like a dozen niche fighters with updated versions to arcades, often with better input lag then their native versions. Capcom absolutely is retarded if they don't get in with an updated version of some of their legacy fighters, but I guess they feel they're above the arcade market now

>>11936608
NTA, but I recall the PS2 version being seen favorably due to it running natively or being close to Arcade perfect.
At the very least, I think it was the one that gave T-Hawk a unique backwards walk.

>>11936625
>I think one issue is that arcades tend to run these tournaments
Fuck em'. They don't make the rules anymore.

>>11936858
We literally do because we're the only ones who will still be playing this game in two months, casual.

>>11937381
You won't be playing "this game", you'll be a bunch of retards playing an outdated version of the tournament standard because you're too dumb to figure out a way to play the better game together.

>>11938104
The CFC2 version of Alpha 3 Upper is not now, nor will it ever be, "tournament standard".
Alpha 3 tournaments will continue to be held on vanilla Alpha 3 boards in CPS2 cabinets around the world for the rest of ever.
Your dumb casual faggot ass has nothing worth hearing to say about any of this and none of your opinions or claims hold merit because you do not play.

>>11936746
>unironic ex-arcadia shill
kys

>>11938192
>The CFC2 version of Alpha 3 Upper is not now, nor will it ever be, "tournament standard".
It was literally the version played at EVO and CEO this year, retard.

>>11938478
Zero versions of SFA3 were run as an official Evo event this year. Novelty side brackets don't mean shit.
Any official brackets for the CFC2 version this year are one-off events while the release is fresh, same as ST HD Remix the year it dropped. It's for novelty. It's not a "nEw ToUrNaMeNt StAnDaRd", you fucking idiot casual faggot. Every major will drop it and go back to vanilla next year just like they dropped HDR and went back to regular old ST.
You dipshit casuals don't know dick about fuck.

>>11938207
whats wrong with ex-arcadia? genuine quiestion

>>11938554
it's a scam, prices can go as high as 6000 USD for a game that's already on steam. At first the problem was total bullshit exclusivity so games like gimmick could never be released on steam for example, but at this point they are just porting games.
If you want a new Alpha 3 cabinet for some reason pray is released on their own hardware so it can be easily dumped.

>>11938532
I see you've entered the coping and seething phase. Soon enough you'll bend the knee.

>>11938590
I see you've entered the being a worthless retard casual who doesn't know dick about fuck phase.
Sooner or later you'll kill yourself.

>>11938585
https://exa.ac/en/shop/?v=0f177369a3b7
>as high as 6000 USD for a game
No? Their most expensive game is under $2500 and these are for arcade operators. What do you want them to do? Release everything same day on Steam so theirs no reason to even go to the arcade?
captcha = kpwnd

>>11936412
nerfing v-ism, which upper basically is would unironically only hurt balance furthermore since sim is beyond retarded as is. he is even stronger in upper. he is by far the best character in the game for a reason. no one wants to play sim mirrors.

>>11938532
wtf is an "official" Evo event and who tf cares if Sony of all fucks is running it? Doesn't that invalidate your claims about "teh community"? When something is run by a company you say its "sponsored" but when its run by a community its "not official" kek. There are no "majors" for A3 or any of these games, dummy

>>11938693
i threw a random number, that's still pretty high, so you are willing to buy 2 games for 5000? come on now.

>>11938712
>wtf is an "official" Evo event
an event that Evo lists, advertises, and runs on stage, dipshit.
you don't even know how the biggest FG tournament of the year operates and you're out here trying to act like anything you have to say is worth a damn.
shut the fuck up and keep your ignorant ass out of these discussions, you absolute fucking moron casual faggot.

>>11938694
>no one wants to play sim mirrors.
nerf sim then, thats kind of the whole point of why a release would be an interesting thing to have. If people reject it then so be it but I wonder if it wouldn't have potential

>>11938718
More like 3 games but I don't run a fucking arcade? Anon what do you think arcade kits cost?

>>11938712
You casuals are the ones trying to pretend that what Evo does sets the community standard.
Given that Evo didn't run SFA3, that means your argument about CFC2 being the new standard is fucked.
In addition to that, what Evo does doesn't actually make a fuck anyway, because it's Sony-owned corposlop now. The community decides what a tournament standard is, and running a new version for one year because of the novelty isn't setting a new standard. Nobody is playing that shit next year.
If any of you actually knew what you were talking about you would know all this already.

>>11938732
a candy cab with a Jamma can easily run you 3000. boards ain't cheap either

>>11938721
>>11938742
you're being a retard in bringing that up as some authority. When's the last time an alpha game has been on EVO mainstage or even at an official Capcom event? Meanwhile CFC2 was on mainstage at CEO 2025 which is about as much clout as you can get tournament wise.

>>11938732
dude i have seen original DK cabinets being sold for 600 bucks.
exa is trying to scam you a pc with an emulator for 3 grands, AND cabinet not included, let alone cable or what they call "sofwate kit". That's why i threw a random 6000 number, is a scam.

>>11938758
I'm not the one trying to claim that CFC2's version is "the one that ran at Evo this year", you backpedaling faggot.

>>11938760
Around $1500 is what a software kit for a cabinet costs direct from the manufacturer. Comparing that to a damn used DK cab is nonsense. Its for a arcade operator, and most likely just one in Japan. And japs are actually playing these games in arcades like HEY, if the streams they show are anything to go by.

Its not meant for you to buy as some regular jackoff, its for a business who already has shit like cabs, wires and all that shit. What did a taito X2 version of a game cost?

>>11938758
>abandons the Evo claim
>ignores the fact that one year in the wake of release hype does not make a new standard
lmfao. retard

>>11938770
you're talking to a different anon but if the A3 community who went to EVO ran their side tournament on CFC2 then I think that has more say than you just being a grumpy cuck and whining about it

Why are you all crazy fucks about what's comp standard when none of you play comp

>>11938775
>Its for a arcade operator
so if you see an original pacman arcade you are going to say FUCK IT, I RATHER SPEND 5 TIMES ON AN ARCADE OPERATOR INTENTED SCAM.
>What did a taito X2 version of a game cost?
like 1000 USD for everything, lol

>>11938795
Why are you sperging at me as if I'm in the market to buy one? Go buy a fucking pacman then, and be sure to yell at japanese arcade owners to stop buying exa games and fill their arcade with old DK and pac cabinets from craigslist, genius
>like 1000 USD for everything, lol
maybe if everything is chinese clones

>>11938783
they ran it on CFC2 for a change of pace in the wake of a new release. things will be back to normal last year.
if you had any clue what the fuck you were talking about, if you actually played the games, if you were actually a part of the FGC instead of just a retarded casual spouting your ignorant dumbfuck opinions about it, you would already know this.

>>11938828
stop pretending you're anything but a fightcade scrub who mains SA2 Chun and SA3 Yun but will never see a stage in his life so all you have left is feigning elitism

>>11938812
>Why are you sperging at me
>where do you think we are
i dislike people supporting and defending very obvious scams that only ruin the hobby for everyone else.

>>11938875
What hobby? Its for ACTUAL business owners not a home hobby. Is there something I'm not getting like their DRM is uncrackable or something? Are the kits not able to be sold used?

their arcade versions are great from all I've read. They go above just porting to arcade and include extras like new modes, 4 different soundtrack options, new art and above that have like half the input latency of the original JAMMA boards.

I also don't see why eventually at some point the EXA versions of games won't get home ports. If they don't I expect it'll get cracked at some point.

>>11938842
I play 3rd Strike and CvS2 on cab at my local every week, faggot. I've attended more majors than you've watched on Twitch.
Stay the fuck out of these conversations, you ignorant fucking scrub casual.

>>11938926
>parry slop and crossover slop

>>11938957
>doesn't even know the games well enough to make substantial criticisms of them
Thanks for proving my point, casual.

>>11933721
Capcom continuing to see little to no value in Darkstalkers.
If they did tho, they could add Amigo, Ingrid and a more complete version of Anita to the cast. Along with alts like Oboro Bishamon, Dark Talbain and Dee.

>>11938909
>What hobby? Its for ACTUAL business owners not a home hobby
>also maybe X could potential maybe happen
at this point you have actually gave up on trying to present an argument, you are just going to keep repeating the same "is not for you" shit like a parrot.
Actually kys shill

>>11938787
Bro but the global A3 council which surely exists and decides what scattered groups of 12 people having a tournament for a 27 year old game for the prize of a hotdog and a handshake will do

>>11938694
>he is by far the best character in the game for a reason
No one knows this, the game is untested competitively.

>>11938787
I do play competitively, and I want to play the new version.

>>11939093
Glad I'm not the only one who perceives Amingo as truly a Darkstalkers character.

Arcades would NEVER pirate video games.
No sir.
They've never done it.

>>11938694
sim can't be infinited which is a big part why he's top tier

btw alpha 3 is one of the best designed fighting games period, but is actively ruined by crouch cancel. this game AND cvs2 are superior without the glitches that made them so famous. all the best chars in cvs2 use rollcancel better than the low tiers; much in the same way that the top tiers in alpha 3 utilize crouch cancel better than the lower tiers

however, both games have startup on walk which is gay as fuck. 3s for life

>>11939434
Now if you'll excuse me, it's time to bring out the Brazilian AES with MVS adapter and hide that behind the arcade board over here...

Zero 3 and this version in the collection specifically has been my friend group's favorite fighter for a bit now. It's disappointing we'll likely never see pros take it seriously and learn the in and outs due to arcade purity autism. Watching vanilla Zero 3 Z-ism only play makes me sad the game doesn't get more comp love when compared to 2. I wonder if Ingrid would be as horribly busted as she seems if she was actually pitted against the vanilla game's top tiers, Eagle is cool but fuck Ingrid

I also really want to know what the balance changes are from Upper to Double Upper that were implemented in the collection. The info is so sparse online for even the original Upper let alone Double since it was a PSP fighter.
Like it was also tough for me to even learn about how the different gimmick play modes were accessed in original CPS2, and I only learned about that from some random youtube video here that I had trouble finding again due to NO proper keywords to search and having a meme clickbait title:
https://youtu.be/3barntR9Lgk

>>11939215
Nta but the only thing I can actually suggest is attempting to form a community around it.

>>11939718
Nobody has taken vanilla A3 seriously since the 90s either you fucking retard. There are no A3 pros, the game is not competitive, and the level of play is purely legacy carry over from what people learned when it was Capcom's official tournament game and decades of casually fucking around. The only people even looking at this release are the ones still playing vanilla A3. It's the ones in the obligation fighter dicks mines you would need for it to reach any relevance, telling 50 salarymen to stop socializing and stay home to grind Capcom ROM flips instead won't make CFC2 not dead, and if you smashed every CPS2 board on Earth and replaced them with Max it would still be dead.

The only Capcom games at all to retain any sort of meaningful wide competition past the next generation game being released are ST and 3S, even MvC2 became a meme game when MvC3 finally came out although it didn't just die on its own like CvS2.

>>11939846
you have created nothing and are also insignificant. kill yourself

I don't think there's really this black'n'white "people only play this way" bullshit that's assumed. Most soulless USA or Fightcade tournaments are run vanilla, but on Japanese streams I see much more variance, like A-ism Only tournaments. Upper saw a limited release and you couldn't even find it, and there hasn't been a 2-player version of MAX until now.

>>11939846
Who cares what's mainstream, I play what's fun

>>11939846
one of the only anons on this board that actually knows ball

>>11939942
>on Japanese streams I see much more variance, like A-ism Only tournaments
...which are run on vanilla A3

>>11940152
ever wonder why?

>>11941554
It's not for game balance reasons, I'll tell you that first off. If you disagree then we're done here.

>>11941554
because nobody's swapping 3rd Strike out of the CPS3 cabs for Upper when everybody who plays A3 prefers the vanilla CPS2 board
what casuals don't get about this is old heads don't give a fuck about how updated versions "improve" the game in a casual's eyes. they embraced and learned a version of the game despite whatever flaws it may have and they're gonna stick with it.
casuals are fucking retarded tbqh, this isn't a hard concept to grasp

>>11941735
shut up you dumb old faggot

Does it really matter what a cluster of oldfags really wants? If they were needed for anything, then we'd still be playing CS1.6 instead of CSGO and everyone would be boycotting smash ultimate. In both of these cases old melee and 1.6 fags fought against their respective updates and instead they got left behind.

If you want to run a tournament for MAX, now you actually can. That's the cool thing. I don't think the point is trying to figure out how to get some oldfag who's been playing the same game for 25 years to suddenly play a new version.

Just build up the scene for MAX and let people argue elitism about it for awhile like they do A2 vs A3.

>>11941804
It's not even that hard to get this version of the game running on a real cabinet.
And don't start with the "that's illegal" excuses.

>>11941817
If its "illegal" then thats hilarious because the two arcades in Orlando I've went to had the collections running on chewlix cabs, along with a bunch of other console fighters

>>11941804
>Does it really matter what a cluster of oldfags really wants?
in the FGC? for old games? absolutely yes lol. they're the only ones who are even still going to be playing said old games a year from now.
>buh buh buh counter strike
why in the fuck do you think that's relevant?
we're talking about communities that have rejected every attempt to change, rebalance, or modernize their preferred games. Super Turbo's original vanilla board is still preferred over Hyper or HD Remix. 3rd Strike's original revision with goddamn unblockables is still preferred over every version that removes them. Every new Street Fighter game that releases leaves a huge chunk of the playerbase behind as they complain about the new mechanics and stick with their old shit.
You wanna go make a Max scene? You wanna try to convince people to play an old dead game? Good luck my dude. The only audience for that shit is old heads, and the only old game communities that survive to this day with new blood (3S and to a lesser extent ST) are the ones that heed the preferences of the old heads.
You just don't know how this shit works, because you were never part of it.

>>11941827
>chewlix
gross, those cabs are ass.

>>11917514
Probably because the controls are different in alpha 3 MAX.

>>11941858
what the fuck? no they aren't. it's 3 punches, 3 kicks, same motions street fighter has always had. what the fuck are you talking about?

>>11941843
why do I sense fear in your response?

>>11941864
Because you're desperate to feel like you're not a retarded casual and you actually have a point so you're seeing what you want to see instead of what's there.
I don't own that problem. Best of luck with it.

>>11941863
there aren't as many buttons on the psp as there are on a console controller so you can't like assign punch to r2 or something
there's also like an option in the menu that lets you auto perform a combo by pressing a button which is pretty busted.

>>11941921
4 face buttons and 2 shoulder buttons for 6 attack buttons

>>11941849
yeah but theyre a fuckton cheaper than legit viewlix afaik so of course they'd choose them

>>11941817
It's not illegal to charge people by the hour (or minute, I suppose) for access to the cabinet. Otherwise none of the internet gaming cafes where people play modern fighting games like SF6 or Tekken 8 would be able to work as a business model. As long as the copy of the game itself is legitimate and paid for.

>>11941843
be silent, thou foolish old bugger

>>11941735
upper had input delay added for no reason cuz they fucked up the port from cps2, btw upper is a NAOMI game, not a cps3 game. oh also btw there's probably 1/10th as many new players on ST as 3S cuz ST is kusoge

anyways eventually alpha 3 upper/etc will have it's own scene somewhere down the line after the A2 faggots and the oldheads stop telling people it's bad. just need more ppl to try it

>>11941804
Melee just had its biggest tournament ever this last weekend kek

>>11943117
Universal Controller Fix isn't Melee by the logic of this thread.

>>11943105
>ST is kusoge
finally, someone talking some sense around here

>>11943143
Universal Controller Fix is an official re-release of Melee that adds new characters, rebalances the roster, and removes a game-defining high-level mechanic?

>>11943703
Damn that’s cool, what system did this re-release come out on?

>>11943708
Huh? I'm asking you, I don't know anything about Universal Controller Fix.
You actually think the issue with CFC2 Alpha 3 is what platform it's on? When old heads play their preferred version of their old games on fightcade daily? You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

>>11943724
I don’t that’s why I asked. It was a leading question anyway because there was no official re release of smash. Also>>11943708 is me in a totally new anon.

>>11943731
I’m*

>>11943724
>When old heads play their preferred version of their old games on fightcade daily?
If this version of Double Upper was available on fightcade this entire discussion would be over. It would be the new standard for competitive play. Any hold-outs for CPS2 because their "locals" were played on CPS2 cabs would just be behind the times.

>>11943748
Except that's not true either, because nobody plays any of the rebalance hacks for any of their games no matter how good they are. Fuck's sake, 3rd Strike players won't even play the next revision of the arcade ROM because it gets rid of Oro and Urien's unblockable setups. You know, unblockables, those things that are supposed to be bad? And you think A3 players are going to migrate to ANY version of the game that doesn't have CC infinites?
Casuals. I'm begging you. Shut your ignorant mouths and walk away. You have nothing of value to say on this or any other FG topic because you don't even play and you don't know dick about fuck.

>>11943752
It’s ball bustingly hilarious to see you go into every thread on fighting games and just start screeching. Even if you were 100% correct in everything you said, still a douche fag who no one is going to listen to. Be even funnier if I got on fightcade and you either no showed or I beat you and that would be absolutely hilarious because I’m terrible at fighters. Keep doing you bruv. Very entertaining although I’m sure it will get old quick.

>>11943105
>A3 players prefer vanilla
>somehow it's the A2 players fault
Wtf don't bring us into this

>>11943763
best part is he's mostly wrong about everything

biggest indicator of a casual is calling others casuals

>>11943779
Kek I don’t doubt it. I just pop into a thread about fighters and see a wall of text that ends w “casuals” and some series of insults I know it’s angry fightcade man.

>>11943752
This isn't a rebalance hack, it's an official release, and that makes all the difference. And none of the hacks on fightcade add characters.

>>11943752
you may as well put a trip on, faggot

>>11943779
I've never been wrong about a single thing I've said. Unlike all of you casuals, I actually play these games, I actually go to my locals, I actually go to events, and I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about.
If you disagree with me on any FG topic it's because you're wrong. Simple as.
>>11943807
It makes literally no difference. HDR was an official release. Whoops!

> drip feeding content
> In a fucking 30-year-old game

Also
> lobbies are bad compared to FC
>It's generally worse than downloading the ROM and hitting FC I like that Bethesda and ID are the only companies that work together with the community. I don't want a rompack to play my ROMs “legally,” but I wish they were less aggressive against community projects. Since they know they can't keep supporting the game

>>11943827
HDR didn't have new characters.

>>11943827
>Unlike all of you casuals, I actually play these games, I actually go to my locals, I actually go to events, and I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about.
So do I, I just don't lean on it as a crutch to make arguments because it's a completely irrelevant thing to bring up. It's a non-sequitur. It doesn't actually have anything to do with the actual games itself.

>>11943836
>oh boy I can't wait to play 4 new characters that are guaranteed to either suck or be busted because they were imported with basically no changes from CvS2 or Capcom Fighting Evolution!
>I'm especially excited to play them in a version of the game that removed CC infinites and has additional input lag!
Said zero people ever.
You fundamentally misunderstand why people who are still playing Alpha 3 in 2025 are doing so. Here's a hint: it ain't because they dislike the game the way it is.

>>11943842
>being involved in the community for a socially-centric hobby has nothing to do with knowing things about that hobby's community
You're actually so stupid that you believe this, aren't you? Lmfao.
This is literally an argument about whether the community is going to adopt a new version of a game they've been playing in its original form for nearly 30 years. You're completely retarded if you think being active in the FGC or not is irrelevant to this argument.

>>11943847
>I'm especially excited to play them in a version of the game that removed CC infinites and has additional input lag!
These were both fixed in CFC2.

All of you are retarded. Alpha 3 is a dead game. It's not gonna magically revive because of some re-release. People are gonna ooh and ahh at the new characters for a month or two then go back to their preferred games.

>>11943868
biased

>>11943827
I’ve been to a bunch of what you listed and you’re just plain wrong. Is this why you are so aggressive?

Posting to make the fightcade and A2 elitists seethe

>>11943868
I don't think its impossible for an old game to get revived and see lots of play at events or online. Its not like its ever going to get SF6 numbers but at the same time it wouldn't be hard to literally DOUBLE the numbers of the SFA3 community with new players who would probably shit all over the boomers

>>11943986
I have not made a single incorrect statement.

>>11944295
I mean yeah going from 6 to 12 won't be that hard.
You're living in a fantasy world. Alpha 3 is dead and this release isn't going to change that.

>>11944545
what does "dead" mean to a faggot like you?

No one is expecting the game to get big, all anyone is hoping for is a good couple months of enthusiasm and then become a good, fun balanced game you can find matches in on weekends and watch an arcade stream events for

>>11945406
>find matches in on weekends and watch an arcade stream events for
not gonna happen lol

>>11945529
this goalpost keeps moving from
>"the oldguard will never accept a new version" to
>"actually the community doesn't exist lol" to
>"don't bother trying to make a community you'll fail"
maybe someone shouldn't listen to useless people like you and try things, something you and boomerfag are terrified of

>>11945542
who's moving goalposts lol all of those things are true
it's super weird how mad all you casuals are getting about this. if I didnt know better i'd say you're paid shills trying to push sales of CFC2 or some shit. sadly I know most of you are just really weird faggots

>>11945564
people are talking about the kind of games they'd want, you're the one being weird and decrepit and offended by that

>>11945580
lol sure dude, whatever you say

>>11943847
It's not 4 new characters, it's at least nine since we're talking about moving up from vanilla A3.

>why people who are still playing Alpha 3 in 2025 are doing so. Here's a hint: it ain't because they dislike the game the way it is.
It's because of

1. they don't have a computer that can handle Dreamcast emulator/don't know how to set it up
2. The Matching Service version isn't on fightcade
3. they're retards who are still slaves to the arcade standard

It has nothing to do with vanilla alpha 3's gameplay balance compared to later editions. If Upper Edition had been a CPS2 release it would be the default version people play on fightcade and in arcades.

>>11943847
>>I'm especially excited to play them in a version of the game that removed CC infinites and has additional input lag!
Also the input lag was fixed and the CC infinites are in the CFC2 version, so it looks like you don't really know enough about this subject to even comment on it.

>>11945406
I think if the game is "dead", then now is the time to give up the original vanilla release no matter how much idiots like the guy in this thread scream and have tantrums about it still being played at his "locals" at some barcade by six people once a month.

>>11945720
>dreamcast emulator
>for fighting games
you're retarded and know nothing. casual.

>>11945732
>barcade
try twice-weekly meetups of a scene comprising 30-40 people at full strength at a dedicated FG space with multiple versus city head to heads running 3rd Strike and over a dozen original cabs besides, casual.
you are all pretenders who don't know dick about fuck. I'm the only one who actually belongs to this subculture.

>>11917263
yeah because they're not in the version everyone plays
and donovan is narratively the ryu of the series

>>11945757
LARP

>>11945749
That you don't understand why a dreamcast emulator is relevant here is very telling.

>>11944285
Why is it so dim?

>>11945757
If you have a scene that strong there is no barrier to playing this version in your meet-ups. You can install it in a real cabinet.

The decision not to speaks to a certain performance-like hipster-ism, a clinging to the past for irrational reasons, I might even call it a >>11945854

>>11944285
The face of sex

>>11944285
Looking good .png

>>11944285
Why does Ingrid's CSS icon look so off-model?
Her skin is too dark and her hair is too yellow.

>>11946296
Because there's filters on the screen. You can see right off the bat how the brightness on the image is toned down.

>>11946415
I know about that. The sprite still looks off model even when the color is right.

>>11946746
they just fucked it up abit, I think alittle bit like Cody and Eagle. The white hair makes it way more noticeable

>>11933875
She prefers to be called BPD Cammy Chud

>>11946746
I just checked, it's like that in the PSP version too, so who knows why they did that in 2006.

why is there one anon who spammed half the thread with the equivalent of "STOP PLAYING THE GAME STOP HAVING FUN STOP BEING HOPEFUL STOP STOP STOP STOP, RETARD LOL"?

>>11946746
How about Balrigs nigga lips eh?

>>11948157
Why do you post your schizoid delusions on 4chan

Alpha 2 is tournament standard since it doiesn't have infinites like Alpha 3 standard. Does Max fix this?

>>11915356 (OP)
Does this version support native 4:3 output without pillarboxing or letterboxing?

>>11944285
I like how all the non-Upper/MAX female fighters have their own column in the center.

>>11948616
>doiesn't have infinites
are piss easy valle cc's which do 50-100% damage ACTUALLY better than a crouch cancel infinite which require a set up, a post cc setup and the actual cc which over the years I havent seen anyone reliably do outside of a few people in japan and I have been on kaillera, ggpo, fightcade1, fightcade2 and I know most of the top 1% by name. people always talk like every character has a cc infinite and it always sounds like the believe its just holding up lol

>>11949829
Which valle ccs are 100%?

>>11949924
Its obviously an exaggeration and I am pretty sure you knew that typing that out. My point here is the damage output is way to high for how easy they are to set up even for beginners and not if its actually possible to do 100%. I am not a a2 player but from the looks of it they are ALL at least in the 50-70% range. Rolento looks like 100%.

>>11949942
I mean, some A3 tourneys ban V-ism and I've yet to see an A2 tourney where CCs are banned.
Still, in my opinion, both of these issues are exaggerated and essentially are just talking points for one fanbase to dunk on the other. Decades later both games are still being played by diehards. But I don't see these diehards accepting this new A3 version as their new standard.

>>11949962
>ban V-ism
they ban v-ism not for balancing reasons. stuff like a-ism only or x-ism only tournaments are just a fun side thing. I dont quite follow the cvs2 but I am sure they have their own r4 only only fun events or whatever.

I never played Alpha, does it have parries? I see Sakura do what looks like parries.

>>11949993
>parry
no. a3 has some obscure defensive mechanics which are close to just defend (blue or red flash while blocking) which reduce block and guardmeter damage.

>>11922647
This but with Ingrid.