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Anonymous No.11930890 >>11930893 >>11930920 >>11930923 >>11931014 >>11931530 >>11931727 >>11932064 >>11933242 >>11933585 >>11933658 >>11934767 >>11938363 >>11938614 >>11944543 >>11945118 >>11949072 >>11953152 >>11954671
Why did Pokรฉmon peak so early
Anonymous No.11930893 >>11930902 >>11931175 >>11931185 >>11931187 >>11931197 >>11931223 >>11931572 >>11933401 >>11933410 >>11935413 >>11938359 >>11939254 >>11941110 >>11943953 >>11944829 >>11945460
>>11930890 (OP)
you can only do the same concept 1 or 2 times before it gets stale
see also: literally every franchise ever - try to name one where the best entry is the third one or later
Anonymous No.11930897 >>11930907 >>11930947 >>11938353
Thatโ€™s not rse
Anonymous No.11930902
>>11930893
Zelda. just look at all the threads on this board where people argue to death over wheterh LA is better than LttP.
Anonymous No.11930907 >>11931772 >>11938363
>>11930897
that's because gen 3 is trash. i remember thinking that coming out of high school, i was just growing out of pokรฉmon. then i got pearl and realized that hoenn is just a garbage region.
Anonymous No.11930920 >>11953374
>>11930890 (OP)
As with many works crossing the 20th and 21st centuries, it's a lack of real life experiences on the part of the people making it. Gen 1 staff included people who had gone out catching bugs in the woods as kids. Later staff were Pokemon fans.
Anonymous No.11930923
>>11930890 (OP)
OP here sorry posted the wrong pic
Anonymous No.11930947 >>11938363
>>11930897
I started with gen 3 but fuck no, it was such a step back after I played gen 1 and gen 2
Anonymous No.11930992 >>11930997 >>11931003 >>11931721 >>11938368
Gen 2 felt pointless, not enough difference to even warrant making the sequel. Hell most of the game feels reluctant to even use johto mons.
Gens 3 and 4 were much better and actually had significant improvements.
Anonymous No.11930997 >>11931003
>>11930992
>Hell most of the game feels reluctant to even use johto mons.
90% of all Pokemon in any given area is Rattata or Zubat. That's just plain bad.
Anonymous No.11931003 >>11931536 >>11931721 >>11932089 >>11938372
>>11930992
>>11930997
>wtf I actually have to put effort to discover new pokemon!? Boohoooo!
Anonymous No.11931014 >>11938376
>>11930890 (OP)
>Worse designs than RBY
>More HMs/tedious sections than RBY
>Weird type distribution and weird levelling curve that Gen1 didn't have
Nope, nothing is better than gen1 in gen2, other than having more colors graphically
Anonymous No.11931175 >>11931184 >>11931371 >>11931724 >>11931761 >>11931774 >>11932482 >>11933179 >>11939543 >>11951348 >>11953404
>>11930893
mario peaked at 64
FF peaked at 7
zelda peaked at OOT
castlevania peaked at 3
megaman didnt peak until x4

pokemon didnt HAVE to become rehash slop so quickly. gamefreak are simply lazy, greedy frauds and figured out quickly that tards will lap up whatever uninspired mess of a product they put out no matter what
Anonymous No.11931184 >>11931227 >>11932036 >>11932821
>>11931175
FF7, OoT and specially CV3 are fucking overrated

FF6, Alttp and Sotn are superior
Anonymous No.11931185
>>11930893
You could argue Super Mario Bros 3, or even World if you donโ€™t count SMB2 Western Edition
Anonymous No.11931187
>>11930893
Dragon Quest
Anonymous No.11931197 >>11938379
>>11930893
Halo 3
Anonymous No.11931223 >>11938379
>>11930893
Damn I literally canโ€™t, I can maybe see halo 3 but I started with that and even prefer CE
Anonymous No.11931227 >>11931234
>>11931184
ff6 amd ff7 are about equal in quality. ff9 and ff5 are both far better, though.
Anonymous No.11931234
>>11931227
>ff5
Sure
>ff9
Hell no
Anonymous No.11931371 >>11931397
>>11931175
mario 64 doesnt count since it's a fundamentally different game than the first three or four games, i would allow SMB3 though
ff7 doesnt count because theres no real connection between ff entries so it's not really a series
Anonymous No.11931397 >>11931420
>>11931371
There may be hundreds of years between the entries(excepting that 4 takes place about 20 years after 2), 9 clearly makes it plain that all 9 hand in the classic series are connected. The most logical order of events is in three trilogies, going 3-1-5, 2-4-6, 7-8-9.
Anonymous No.11931419 >>11938382
OP here, sorry. I picked the wrong image, meant to post this one
Anonymous No.11931420 >>11933363
I agree, OP, gen 2 is the best.
>>11931397
>9 clearly makes it plain that all 9 hand in the classic series are connected.
It does not.
Idc if you make that your headcanon but it wasn't saying anything about the older titles or that they're secretly connected. It's just full of references (picrel) but imo the references aren't as big of a part of the game as ppl say online.
Anonymous No.11931436
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/11845580/
Anonymous No.11931489 >>11931502 >>11932043
I forget about Crystal sometimes. What did it add for gen 2?
Anonymous No.11931502
>>11931489
Rightfully, because it came after R/B, Stadium, Snap, the card game, Yellow, and G/S. Not a lot of people's parents were so rich as to then buy a marginally tweaked version of the same game yet again, so it's practically made as a version for retro enthusiasm.
Anonymous No.11931530 >>11938389
>>11930890 (OP)
Pic unrelated; G/S/C are terrible games. There isnโ€™t a single thing they do better than any other Pokemon game
Anonymous No.11931536 >>11931576
>>11931003
>wtf Larvitar is in the very last cave of the game?
>wtf the Fire stone is only through random phone calls?
>who designed this dogshit?
Anonymous No.11931572
>>11930893
>see also: literally every franchise ever - try to name one where the best entry is the third one or later
Frankly, I immediately think of various RPGs and strategy games, like Warcraft, M&M, HoMM, Wizardry, Ultima, C&C etc
Anonymous No.11931576 >>11934648 >>11934948
>>11931536
larvitar is one of the only cool evolutions in the game after the starter trio

In gen 1 you had tons of cool kaijumon, if you wanted you could make a whole team of nothing but "cool" boy appeal pokemon
Anonymous No.11931721
>>11930992
>>11931003
Anonymous No.11931724
>>11931175
>tards
Pokemon was always for kiddos
Anonymous No.11931727
>>11930890 (OP)
dun fix what isn't broken.
>they tried to fix it anyway.
Anonymous No.11931761
>>11931175
People want the same game over and over. That is why the brand is so strong. They don't want some experimental new shit or the Pokemon version of what happened to FF. Also the reason DQ is still so strong. They have plenty of side-games that do different things.
Anonymous No.11931772 >>11933373
>>11930907
Weird that playing the worst Pokemon generation, gen 4, made you hate gen 3, the best.
Anonymous No.11931774
>>11931175
X4 is where the X series started to decline sharply. It's only preferred by the same meme-spewing redditors who care about cutscenes over gameplay and love to regurgitate DMC and Revengeance quotes.
Anonymous No.11932036 >>11933127
>>11931184

Only filtered people dislike CV3
Anonymous No.11932043 >>11939267
>>11931489
Crystal really shouldn't have even come out in the west because most of its features that justified it's existence were Japan exclusive. It had pretty extensive Online functionality that included online trading, battling, minigames, battle replays, exclusive items and ingame events. Without that, all it has is animated Pokemon sprites, a couple different Pokemon locations, and some pretty worthless extra dialogue with some character thats looking for Suicune.

They really should have implemented more of the Japanese features to be available offline like the Celebi event to make it more worthwhile.
Anonymous No.11932050 >>11932412
>/vp2/
Anonymous No.11932064
>>11930890 (OP)
Many the intended features they brainstormed during gen 1 were allowed to come to fruition., The team was actually ambitious despite being awful at programming and compressing the game.
Anonymous No.11932089
>>11931003
Why weren't Ratata and Zubat this obnoxiously common in Red and Blue if it's the better way to do it?
Anonymous No.11932412 >>11932419 >>11932521 >>11938394
>>11932050
Have you ever been to /vp/? You can't discuss the retro games there. You can here.
Anonymous No.11932419
>>11932412
>Have you ever been to /vp/?
i'm here right now, apparently
Anonymous No.11932482
>>11931175
>megaman didnt peak until x4
Only Mega Man 1&2 are any good, the rest are a waste of time.
Anonymous No.11932521 >>11932585 >>11932586 >>11932803
>>11932412
Have you forgotten what the purpose of a containment board is? WE DONT WANT YOU FAGGOTS ANYWHERE ELSE.
Go away.
Anonymous No.11932585 >>11932715 >>11938397
>>11932521
pokemon threads are always busy here. hide the thread or stfu, retarded newfag. youre the one who needs to go back.
Anonymous No.11932586
>>11932521
>we
lol
Anonymous No.11932715
>>11932585
of course they're busy, the 3 /vp/ tourists keep them bumped
Anonymous No.11932803 >>11938397 >>11938447 >>11938454 >>11938492 >>11938586 >>11938609
>>11932521
It's not a containment board you fucking retard. Containment boards have global rules attached to prevent discussion outside of them. Would you sperg out if someone made a Dragon Quest 3 thread here and tell them to go to /vrpg/? Would you sperg out about an Everquest thread, telling them to go to /vm/? You dunce. We're allowed to talk about any retro video games.
Anonymous No.11932821
>>11931184
Well that still answers the question anyway.
Anonymous No.11933127
>>11932036
You played a difficulty hack and base your personality around it.

Castlevania might as well have started with Sotn
Anonymous No.11933179 >>11933185
>>11931175
Target audience of Pokemon is in the age range of 8 to 12. You don't need quality art to sell a game to an 8 year old.
Anonymous No.11933185 >>11933229
>>11933179
Ah yes because Mario is for adult and smart gamers
Anonymous No.11933229 >>11933239
>>11933185
Ah yes Mario games are all high quality
Anonymous No.11933239 >>11933256
>>11933229
Sunshine is shit
SML is mediocre
Smb2 is a meme
Mario's madness is not even a Mario game
Anonymous No.11933242
>>11930890 (OP)
The answer is on that box art.
Anonymous No.11933256
>>11933239
the point
- - - - - - -
your head
Anonymous No.11933363 >>11933734
>>11931420
Garland flat out says he was the garland from the first game.
Anonymous No.11933373 >>11953364
>>11931772
weird bait, but alright. gen 3 is the worst of the classic games, with whatever the fuck they did on the switch being the worst overall. i hated 3 from the beginning, playing gen 4 made me realize i still liked pokรฉmon and it was just that gen 3 sucked balls.
Anonymous No.11933401
>>11930893
Devil May Cry, that's just the first that comes to mind.
Anonymous No.11933410
>>11930893
Rare patrician take. With rare exceptions like SMB3 that seems like the golden rule.
Anonymous No.11933585 >>11933596
>>11930890 (OP)
That's neither a pic of RB (Yellow is a downgrade) or RSE.
Anonymous No.11933596
>>11933585
>Yellow is a downgrade
OOF
Anonymous No.11933658 >>11933674 >>11933685 >>11934648 >>11935246 >>11938403
>>11930890 (OP)
I'll give it a try.
The series peaked with gsc because tajiri was more interested in capturing a feeling than just capturing monsters. For those of you who are autistic and can't understand it, the feeling is this: You're a kid and summer vacation has just started and everyone from your school is out running around, hanging out, making friends, catching bugs, and having adventures.
Now obviously they were held back by the hardware but here's an example of what I mean.
In gsc sometimes after you battle a trainer you can get their phone number so you can call them on your pokegear. Sometimes they even call you and tell you about a sick ass ratata they battled, and sometimes they call you for a rematch. There's not a lot of dialogue since they were pretty limited with cartridge sizes but whats there is pretty nice and it gives the npc's you mean on your journey a bit more personality.
Conversely in frlg this entire experience is boiled down to you standing in a route, hitting a button to make the vs finder beep and then you battle the people had ! above their heads.
Masuda did not understand what made the previous gen so good and why it's still so fondly remembered despite its drawbacks(baby pokemon mostly). And honestly, how could he? He clearly didn't grow up the same way tajiri did and so how could he possibly have the same vision for the series? Clearly tajiri didn't tell anyone or felt that he accomplished what he had set out to do.
Anyway that's just one example. A few more would be: actual proper day and night cycle, weekly schedule, radio music and djs, etc. All of these contribute to a game that feels more alive that it really is because of the hardware limitations.
Anonymous No.11933674 >>11933679 >>11933680 >>11938403
>>11933658
Tajiri ragequit the franchise after Spaceworld 97 and let Masuda reboot the development, though.
Anonymous No.11933679 >>11938403
>>11933674
You can clearly see a lot of his dna is was still in it though. There's no way the same man who drew up the design documents for gsc was the same man that drew up the docs for rse. There's no way. The games are aiming in entirely different directions.
Anonymous No.11933680 >>11933775
>>11933674
No? Tajiri quit after gs
Anonymous No.11933685 >>11933696
>>11933658
Masuda was also a massive chad during the classic era, he went from "we need programmer? No problem I may be just the music guy but I'll learn programming" to "phone games too popular :("
Anonymous No.11933696
>>11933685
I'd go as far as to say that masuda's music is half the reason why the games were popular and maybe even a big reason as to why the anime was popular since all of the compositions of his tracks for the anime are fantastic. I don't think any of his newer tracks are that great though honestly. I think the business has ground him down.
Anonymous No.11933734
>>11933363
>Garland flat out says he was the garland from the first game.
No, he does not. It IS a reference (like Garnet's real name being Sarah), but nowhere is it even implied that he is the same Garland.
He sucks planets of their life essence to keep Terra alive, and you took that to mean "all of the planets exist in the same universe, Terra is FFI's world, and Garland is keeping it alive." That's too much of a stretch for me.
He's also a reference to Darth Vader, are you going to say that all FFs canonically exist in the Star Wars universe? No.
Anonymous No.11933775 >>11933787 >>11938403
>>11933680
>he didn't read the info from the gigaleak
Tajiri quit in the middle of it, and Masuda rebooted the project to salvage stuff from it on a more manageable scale, going from covering all of Japan to mostly Kansai and Kanto.
Anonymous No.11933787
>>11933775
The irony is that the map is basically the same size isn't it?
Anonymous No.11933798 >>11933819
i loved silver from the moment there was a pokemon beckett that showed some screenshots of the japanese versions and the battle sprites were 100% accurate to what you expected. the big one was seeing the backsprite of charizard. not a graphicsfag, but it made me love zubat and pidgey and use them all the time
Anonymous No.11933819
>>11933798
I like this one
Anonymous No.11934648 >>11934725 >>11934925
>>11931576
this is Mamoswine erasure
>>11933658
In addition to that. Johto is also the closest representation of its real life equivalent to date. Basically everything notable in GSC that exists, has a counterpart in the real world. Appearances of Pokemon included, like Stantler.
A big reason why GSC is the most soulful Pokemon gen.
Anonymous No.11934725
>>11934648
Can't believe Japan would become completely submerged in rats after the year 2000 with how explosively the rat population kept increasing in just three years after 1996. RIP Japan you shall be missed.
Anonymous No.11934767 >>11934847 >>11934860
>>11930890 (OP)
gen 2 was leftover gen 1 ideas, and the devs were still trying to make it the best game possible.
gen 3 was just another pokemon game. content and features were intentionally removed out of laziness.

rather than building on gen 2, gen 3 was a rehash of gen 1.
8 badges. 1 region. no day/night cycle. no cell phone. no transfer from gen 1/2.
this is why the pokemon boom fell off hard.
Anonymous No.11934847 >>11938316
>>11934767
>no day/night cycle
I think there was when it came to spawn rates but thats it.
Anonymous No.11934860
>>11934767
And no post-game or way to transfer your old pokemon

If you came from gen 1 and 2 gen 3 was gonna suck
Anonymous No.11934925
>>11934648
>Mamoswine
Piloswine
Anonymous No.11934948 >>11935090
>>11931576
steelix is cool
Anonymous No.11935090
>>11934948
Steelix and Scizor are super cool, but you're limited to just one, and only after completing the Johto portion of the game (unless you want to farm a 2% drop on Magnemite).
Anonymous No.11935246 >>11935259 >>11935290
>>11933658
>call others autistic
>make autistic rant
So you can't enjoy Johto without an autistic fixation with spending your holidays in your backyard bushes? Got it.
Anonymous No.11935259
>>11935246
Weird projection. You alright?
Anonymous No.11935290
>>11935246
>anon tries to be accommodating to other anons while answering the question in the op
>take offense to this
You're not one of autistic people that claim they're not "suffering" from autism are you?
Anonymous No.11935413
>>11930893
Sonic 3 & Knuckles (or arguably SA2)
Shadowrun: Dragonfall (Counting the NES and 360 Shadowrun games)
Metal Gear Solid 3 is peak MGS
Devil May Cry 3
Warcraft 3
Final Fantasy 3 is better than the first two and arguably the most classic FF game to exist
j
Anonymous No.11936962 >>11937808
Things rarely peek later on
Anonymous No.11937808
>>11936962
GTA
Castlevania
Anonymous No.11938316 >>11938339
>>11934847
The only thing the day/night cycle affected in Gen 3 was what Eevee evolves into.
Anonymous No.11938339
>>11938316
It affected the tides in shoal cave.
Anonymous No.11938353
>>11930897
This!
Anonymous No.11938359
>>11930893
There is no such rule in gaming.
Anonymous No.11938363 >>11938551
>>11930890 (OP)
>>11930907
>>11930947
Gen 2 is the worst of the 4 Pokemon Generations.
Gen 3 is the best.
Anonymous No.11938368 >>11938392 >>11953556 >>11954672
>>11930992
this but gen 2 was even less than pointless
Anonymous No.11938372 >>11938392
>>11931003
no, you just have to wait until you get to an actually good region (Kanto) to see the gen's better offerings
Anonymous No.11938376 >>11938392
>>11931014
this
Anonymous No.11938379
>>11931197
>>11931223
Combat Evolved is the best Halo game, zoomies.
Anonymous No.11938382
>>11931419
yup
Anonymous No.11938389
>>11931530
They're better at wasting your time than the other three games.
Anonymous No.11938392
>>11938368
>>11938372
>>11938376
You can quote more than one person per post. This isn't reddit.
Anonymous No.11938394
>>11932412
Wrong.
Anonymous No.11938397 >>11938432 >>11938454
>>11932585
>>11932803
these
Anonymous No.11938403
>>11933658
>>11933674
>>11933679
>>11933775
GSC is the Devil May Cry 2 of Pokemon.
Anonymous No.11938432 >>11938437
>>11938397
Stop replying to yourself.
/vp/ was made because people were sick of Pokemon threads on /v/. It is, and always has been, a containment board.
>b-b-but global rule!
The only board with a global rule is the pony one, that doesn't disqualify prior containment boards from being containment boards. Way to out yourself as a dumb newfag.
Anonymous No.11938437 >>11938440
>>11938432
take your meds
Anonymous No.11938440
>>11938437
concession accepted
Anonymous No.11938447 >>11938454
>>11932803
This desu
Anonymous No.11938454
>>11932803
>>11938397
>>11938447
really embarrassing
Anonymous No.11938492 >>11938496
>>11932803
Why are you replying to bait?
Anonymous No.11938496
>>11938492
I'll reply to whatever I want you fucking retard.
Anonymous No.11938551 >>11938613 >>11945114
>>11938363
rse have been getting by on the popularity of frlg for too long. The remakes are the only reason people like "gen 3".
Anonymous No.11938586
>>11932803
Based
Anonymous No.11938609
>>11932803
>this post gets a reply whenever the thread hits page 2
>it's always the same
As long as the thread hits bump limit sooner.
Anonymous No.11938613 >>11938617
>>11938551
untrue
Anonymous No.11938614 >>11938628
>>11930890 (OP)
I honestly don't know how somebody can make the claim that gen 3 didn't take EVERYTHING that was good about Pokemon and make it 10 times better. I'll admit that gens 1 & 2 had a VERY specific feel that only early pokemon could capture (the ULTIMATE "you had to be there"), but gen 3 was just...holy shit...I didn't know a game could do that...
Anonymous No.11938617 >>11938626
>>11938613
>twitter poll
lol lmao
Anonymous No.11938626 >>11938635
>>11938617
oh look it's gschizo here to disregard any and all data
Anonymous No.11938628 >>11938643 >>11948035
>>11938614
by having gen 2 as their childhood
Anonymous No.11938635
>>11938626
>twitter said it so it's true!
you're an actual retard
typical vp filth shitting up another board
Anonymous No.11938643 >>11938658 >>11938659
>>11938628
Understandable but it was mine as well. Gen 3 didn't come out until I was in jr. high and blew me away. Still incredibly fond of 1 & 2 though. Hooking them up to pokemon stadium is peak nostalgia.
Anonymous No.11938658 >>11938967 >>11938975
>>11938643
Pokemon at its peak was Pokemania. Red, Blue, Yellow, and the excitement and mystery leading up to Gold and Silver.

When Gold and Silver actually released though, it was over, and not part of that peak.
Anonymous No.11938659 >>11938908 >>11938913 >>11945659
>>11938643
Totally the opposite for me, I started with Gen 3 and was blown away by how much bigger the GBC games are with two regions and night and day.

Hoenn felt so boring in comparison.
Anonymous No.11938908 >>11938958 >>11939125
>>11938659
blah blah blah see picrel
and johto is empty as fuck
Anonymous No.11938913 >>11938958 >>11939125
>>11938659
>Hoenn felt so boring in comparison.
maybe because you don't have a soul
Anonymous No.11938958
>>11938908
>>11938913
samefag
Anonymous No.11938967
>>11938658
accurate. my lil bro got Gold for christmas but we were like "yeah, that's not a huge deal any more"
Anonymous No.11938975 >>11938978
>>11938658
The real peak was Go.
Anonymous No.11938978 >>11938987 >>11939106
>>11938975
The most patently untrue statement in the history of the universe.
Anonymous No.11938987 >>11939001
>>11938978
touch grass incel
Anonymous No.11939001
>>11938987
Bitch I will rip open your mouth and shit down your throat!
Anonymous No.11939106
>>11938978
If we're talking peak of popularity as opposed to quality like that anon was then yes. It was literally pokemania 2.
Anonymous No.11939125
>>11938908
That's Kanto
>>11938913
I would Like Hoenn so much more if half of the region wasn't empty ocean, adding some islands with grass and more pokemon would have been awesome
Anonymous No.11939254
>>11930893
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
Anonymous No.11939267
>>11932043
>Without that, all it has is animated Pokemon sprites, a couple different Pokemon locations, and some pretty worthless extra dialogue with some character thats looking for Suicune.
But you get to play as a girl.
Anonymous No.11939301 >>11939517
Gen 1 = ANH
Gen 2 = ESB
Gen 3 = RotJ
Anonymous No.11939517
>>11939301
this tracks because The Empire Strikes Back is actually the worst one with nothing in it the whole runtime until the ending
Anonymous No.11939543 >>11939697
>>11931175
Do you think that peaked means the last good game in a series? That's what you posted. Peaked means the best game in the series which were none of the games you posted aside from Castlevania 3.
Anonymous No.11939697
>>11939543
all of those games listed are the best in the series.
Anonymous No.11941110
>>11930893
Anonymous No.11941125
the concept was always better than the games, is the thing.
Plus, first and to a slightly lesser extend 2nd gen had the most charm. it lost something once based water-colour autist man stopped designing everything.

You take away the initial buzz and novelty, and what you have is a fairly standard turn based RPG. Probably not a top tier one.
Anonymous No.11943667
It didnโ€™t
Anonymous No.11943953
>>11930893
>literally every franchise ever - try to name one where the best entry is the third one or later
Ace Combat
Anonymous No.11944290 >>11944747
When did you drop out of Pokemon? My brother (kid during pokemania) dropped out at gen 5. I dropped out about gen 8. I will still play some of the games however.
Anonymous No.11944543
>>11930890 (OP)
Fuck that, it peaked in Gen 1. Gen 2 already felt like a rehash and it just got worse and worse over time. I canโ€™t even imagine being a Pokรฉmon fan in 2025 unless I was a kid who didnโ€™t know any better.
Anonymous No.11944747 >>11953124
>>11944290
I played HGSS, lost that game and DS which bummed me out, didn't find out about Gen V until like halfway into it, got told to try BW, thought it was trash, then got excited for XY later and thought that was better and okay, but then saw ORAS as a downgrade so didn't buy that and haven't bought since, although I still followed it all
Anonymous No.11944829
>>11930893
>try to name one where the best entry is the third one or later
Devil May Cry 3
Fallout 3
Final Fantasy 6
Anonymous No.11945114 >>11946320
>>11938551
Emerald is the best porkemon game, the well made gen 1 remakes are just icing on the cake, gen 3 is the best.
Anonymous No.11945118
>>11930890 (OP)
I might be imagining it but I feel like we've already had this thread multiple times recently
Anonymous No.11945460
>>11930893
that's only true of retro games
Anonymous No.11945659 >>11946320 >>11947810
>>11938659
the Gen 2 map is about the same size as Gen 3 Hoenn, though a lot of that is the ocean
Anonymous No.11946320
>>11945114
>>11945659
this
hoenn clears
Anonymous No.11947810 >>11948010 >>11948183
>>11945659
Yeah exactly East Hoenn is a water wasteland, if it was all like West Hoenn it would have been the best region ever.

Sinnoh does that but dunno, don't like it, maybe because they were retarded and decided the ds games should have 150 regional pokemon when the gba had like 200
Anonymous No.11948010 >>11949060
>>11947810
platinum has 210 Pokemon with a lot of good additions; gliscor, ralts line, houndour, any eevee you want, rotom, etc.
Anonymous No.11948035
>>11938628
Images like this continue to prove the point that zoomers are 5ers, 4 at best
Anonymous No.11948183 >>11949060
>>11947810
>if it was all the same shit it would have been the best region ever
no wonder you worship johto
Anonymous No.11948656 >>11948783 >>11949060
Johto
>most routes look the same
>small region
>a lot of dead space where more trainers or treasures could be included, routes are big but with few things you can interact with
>has dead ends, you can only reach locations from the same angle every time
>all the region is flat
>only 10 towns, with just one being a proper city, which adds to the feeling of repetitiveness
>most areas are not worth revisiting, so you end up ignoring most of the map once clearing
>no battle factory

Hoenn
>every route looks drastically different, varied terrains and layouts
>huge region, at least double the size of Johto without even counting the water routes
>filled to the brim with varied encounters at every corner that make every route feel even more unique, no space is wasted
>everything is looped and interconnected, so travelling around stays fresh
>has many mountains and valleys that you can explore
>15 towns, many villages and cities
>many places worth revisiting: contest facilities in many towns, daycare at the center of the map, secret bases
>has battle factory

You can stop arguing now.
Anonymous No.11948783
>>11948656
johtoddlers will never stop trying to argue
only others can be shown like this how not to fall for their lies
Anonymous No.11948827 >>11948943
>all these people who clearly only play pokemon games but also don't even like them
is this just what /vp/ posters are like?
Anonymous No.11948943 >>11948954
>>11948827
do you post this in zelda and final fantasy threads too?
Anonymous No.11948954
>>11948943
why would I complain about /vp/ posters in zelda and final fantasy threads?
you people don't post there
Anonymous No.11949060 >>11949107 >>11949124
>>11948010
DP and BW only have 150
Sinnohdex will forever suck, enjoy your ponyta
>>11948183
Because east hoenn is the epitome of variety? Yeah no
>>11948656
>no night and day
>all routes look different
>except for all the generic ones
>no post-game at all until emerald
>still feels smaller than Johto and Kanto together because 2 is bigger than one
I started with Gen 3 and still prefer Gen 2 because 2 regions are bigger than one region that's half water
Anonymous No.11949072 >>11953506
>>11930890 (OP)
The real answer is the Cartoon and the Card game went down massively in popularity once it got into Gen 3. No one ever gave a fuck about May and stuff like that. Kids moved on. it's only recently thanks to scalper shit that the popularity is on same level as the late 90s early 2000s
Anonymous No.11949107
>>11949060
>Because east hoenn is the epitome of variety?
it has underwater trenches and caverns and supramarine caves you dumbass nigga
Anonymous No.11949124 >>11949313
>>11949060
>enjoy your ponyta
Nah, Iโ€™ll enjoy the Houndoom that Johto faggots canโ€™t lmfao.
Anonymous No.11949313
>>11949124
notice how the developers thought it'd be inappropriate to have any new coolmons reside in the Johto region itself
Anonymous No.11951348
>>11931175
9 was peak FF
Anonymous No.11953124
>>11944747
Same. I stopped at S&M. I'll still play ZA in October though
Anonymous No.11953152 >>11953183
>>11930890 (OP)
Because early pokemon is based on the real life experience of a latch key kid
>riding your bike from town to town
>getting snacks from small stores
>kidnapping baby animals and putting them in shoe boxes
>getting into fights with kids from other neighborhoods
Pokemon RBY &GSC peaked because they are based on real life. After second gen, pokemon became a franchise and the games were based on the ideals of the cartoons and marketing.
Anonymous No.11953183
>>11953152
>&GSC
Anonymous No.11953364 >>11953554 >>11954571
>>11933373 *3DS for the RSE remakes, not Switch. RSE remakes are a huge mixed bag but overall quite a bit worse. DPPt feels pretty sterile but it has a better overworld than RSE at least. The lack of biome diversity in RSE gets tiresome pretty fast and I'm not talking about the too much water 7/10 meme.
Anonymous No.11953374
>>11930920
Dude, this. Gen 1 concept art was really gritty and cool. Urban monsters you had to subjugate with violence because life is hard.
Anonymous No.11953404 >>11954698
>>11931175
>FF peaked at 7
WRONG. It peaked at 10. Have you even played FFVII? FFX refined the battle system into something fun. You know, like how a game is supposed to be. I played 12, 13, and 15 as well, and none of them are particularly good. 13 and 15 are "fun" but 13 is tedious toward the late-game and 15 just isn't a Final Fantasy game at all.
Anonymous No.11953506 >>11953556 >>11954735 >>11957732 >>11957898
>>11949072
Pokemania was dead by Gen2. If you were an original Pokemon kid, meaning there since RBY, by the time of GSC it was just entering the "youll get made fun of if you're still TOO invested into Pokemon" phase. I played these games in the closet
Anonymous No.11953554 >>11955181
>>11953364
>The lack of biome diversity in RSE
everyone point and laugh at the retard
Anonymous No.11953556
>>11953506
unsurprising since the primary goal of gen II was to make pokemon fisher price kiddie shit >>11938368
Anonymous No.11954571 >>11955181
>>11953364
>The lack of biome diversity in RSE gets tiresome pretty fast and
Are you saying this while cocksucking Gen 2? Both Hoenn and Sinnoh are much more diverse. I'm not even exaggerating when I say Johto is literally nothing but short, linear grassy routes and small unrewarding caves. The shithole doesn't even have its own victory road, lol.
Anonymous No.11954671 >>11954729
>>11930890 (OP)
Fucke of to >>>/vp/ and ask.
Anonymous No.11954672
>>11938368
You fags hate this but I for one love the fact random grown women enjoy Pokemon. You might not admit it but boys love Pokemon for the gross, weird, and tough monsters like Weezing, Golem, and Charizard. Those just aren't appealing to women.

Only problem with baby Pokemon is that they're a chore to find (have to breed them) and they are simply unviable as party members.

If GameFreak made it so baby Pokemon have exclusive moves that they forget on evolution, then that'd be a good middleground. If you could catch Pichus with guaranteed Lightballs, and they learned Zap Cannon at level 10, then you might actually like the thing. Or if Igglybuff had Hyper Beam and an item that removed the recharge. Then when it evolves to Jigglypuff it can't use Hyper Beam anymore. I'd use that Igglybuff.

Plus it would be really funny to watch schoolgirls beat the boys with OP babymons.
Anonymous No.11954698 >>11954823
>>11953404
ff10 is rancid dogshit, easily the worst mainline FF and that includes the mmos
Anonymous No.11954729
>>11954671
Do you say this in the ff and Zelda boards esl?
Anonymous No.11954735 >>11957898
>>11953506
>played these games in the closet
this
I skipped most games after Red and Blue because god forbid someone would see me playing this shit

Black and White still the most kino games ever though
Anonymous No.11954823
>>11954698
Kek, absolute cope. NOTHING is worse than the MMOs. You're being some edgy cringelord contrarian.
Anonymous No.11955005 >>11955008
I don't think the quality of the games contributed in any major way to the hype waning. It was always going to be difficult to maintain an aging, general audience.
I don't remember any of the current complaints about GS when they came out, and people who already got 75% of the way through RS to the water routes probably were already still invested enough.
Lack of backwards compatibility I remember being an issue for RS, and being on a new console probably contributed (significant number of GBAs sold were SPs, which came out several months after RS).
Colosseum and PBR were legitimately missed opportunities though.
Anonymous No.11955008 >>11955065
>>11955005
In terms of quality, GS obviously has the issue with the number of shitmons and new pokemon unavailable to be caught until Kanto, but just as significant is the reverse power creep compared to RB. I probably played through either of RB or FRLG 20 times as a kid and you can legitimately make powerful feeling teams using ~75% of the pokemon in the game. In GS it feels like you're fighting through mud.

For example, you can flip through the gen 2 learnset for Ledian and Ariados and it's difficult to see any stretches of the game where they would feel good to use. They of course evolve significantly later than their counterparts in Butterfree/Beedrill, who in RB (or GS, to be fair) can be pretty fun to use early as they are overstatted. You can go through and see this being the case with a lot of others (Hoppip, Sunkern, Natu line to name a few, even something like Heracross isn't particularly fun to use for most of the game and is viable just because of high base stats). The TMs being much weaker overall compared to RB contributes to this, and if you go through you'll notice that this makes a lot of pokemon once fun to use in RB, much less viable in GS (for example, voltorb and magenmite have to rely on thunder from the game corner if you want to upgrade off thundershock).
Anonymous No.11955065 >>11955081
>>11955008
Let's face it, Gen2 was still very much just a bug-catching simulator like Gen1 was, because Tajiri simply didn't understand the appeal of battling Pokemon and treated that part of the game as an afterthought. Masuda, for all the flak he gets, made Pokemon battling actually worth wanting to delve into.
Anonymous No.11955081
>>11955065
I think you are right about their focus in GS, but the degree to which it regresses in this regard compared to RB is striking.
Anonymous No.11955181 >>11955496 >>11957714 >>11957742
>>11954571
Me, cocksucking Gen 2? You got the wrong anon. It has the least diversity of all games except Gen 1, and Gen 1 at least gets a variety of area colors if you have Super Gameboy colorization enabled.
>>11953554
Okay let me backpeddle. RSE's overworld has good biome diversity, but not as much as DPPt. I'm looking through whatever the opposite of rose-tinted glasses are because I've played RSE to death and have only played DPPt once. Happy now? :P
Anonymous No.11955496 >>11957187
>>11955181
>Okay let me backpeddle. RSE's overworld has good biome diversity, but not as much as DPPt.
I can't believe you just doubled down on your stupidity
>I'm looking through whatever the opposite of rose-tinted glasses are because I've played RSE to death and have only played DPPt once.
you should have led with that so you could have just been ignored
Anonymous No.11957187
>>11955496 Ok, now post DPPt maps
Anonymous No.11957714 >>11957929
>>11955181
>Forest
>Forest
>Cave
>Forest
>Cave
>Blizzards in the north
>Swamps in thr south
>The slog that is Mt. Coronet
I love Sinnoh, but a diverse region, it is not.
Anonymous No.11957732
>>11953506
I was there since RBY (about 8 when it released) and people in my demographic were still openly playing Gold and Silver, pretty much everyone had them, but it was over before RSE released
Anonymous No.11957742
>>11955181
Sinnoh is so bland that I dropped the series after playing it. Nothing was particularly memorable for me except for that snowy route
Anonymous No.11957898
>>11953506
>>11954735
Why did you faggots care what other retards think? I honestly didn't give a fuck and did what I wanted to do without fear. If some kid was gonna make fun of me I would've just laughed at them and forgotten about it literally the next moment. It's not like you weren't gonna be picked on for anything at all. You might as well have just done what you wanted.
Anonymous No.11957929 >>11957934
>>11957714
Do flowers count as a biome?
Anonymous No.11957934
>>11957929
You can't really catch Pokemon in the flower fields (just Honey trees and Shaymin), so I wouldn't really count it.