Thread 11931357

Discuss the state of retro console/handheld/computer emulation, any news or discussion on settings.

Discussion of emulation of non-retro systems can go to /emugen/ on /vg/, which can be found here: >>>/vg/emugen/

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>>11931357 (OP)
WAKANDA

>>11931357 (OP)
Piracy is wrong it harms nintendo and its not like other companies it is unique and special and must be protected. You are harming Nintendo. Stop.

>>11931408
0/10 bait, deal with it

>>11931509
It is true. Ninntendo are artists not just any company they put their souls into creations and imaginings like the strange and terrible beauty that is legend of zelda. It is like stealing fromtheir hearts when they just wanted us all to smile and enjoy.Can't you pirate something else, its really hurtful to see you talk about this even though you would never so something so wrong, You would't pirate paper mario would you? Imagine how evll and wrong it would be.

>>11931537
>like the strange and terrible beauty that is legend of zelda.
Yawn, wake me up when there's Beyond Oasis discussion.

>>11931357 (OP)
Did the gachatards boot this general off of /vg/ or something?

>>11931551
>Beyond Oasis discussion
You know in your heart that nobody genuinely enjoys these 'not-Zelda' games as much as Zeldafags do Zelda.

>>11931357 (OP)
>no subject
ah fuck

>>11931663
It's better to enjoy a game just enough than to enjoy a game too much.

Is it possible to ignore or disable checksum validation in the FBNeo core without resorting to half-measures in picrel?

Emuparadise is STILL down

>>11931357 (OP)
Its 2025.
Why is N64 emulation still so ass?

>>11933261
Because it isn't. Use ares or mupen.

>>11931357 (OP)
>forgot the title
woops
>added the wii part
good, good

>>11933240
>mfw I've been using the same emu site for 2 decades and I've never seen it namedropped on 4chinz

>>11933796
I never worry about a site becoming too known i'll just hop to another site when one dies. Just how it goes, there's always a new one

>>11933273
It isn't if you know what to use/how to set it up

>>11933261
It isn't if you know what to use/how to set it up

>>11933240
It's not like there aren't better sites that replaced it

>>11933240
works on my masheen
theres better sites anyway

i use retrogaytalk

>>11931357 (OP)
Gens is still KING.

>>11934807
Runahead FTW!

>>11933240
>>11933917
EP is the fucking piratebay of rom sites, been there since forever.

>>11934813
But can it filter the zoomies?

>>11934807
My Genesis emulator of choice when I was 11 years old

>>11935672
That "filter" is such ass, I'd rather use Shaderglass like a normal person.

For me it's Zsnes.

>>11936104
For me it's ZMZ.

>>11936104
It doesnt run well on my computer.

>>11936104
For me it's VSMC

>>11931357 (OP)
I'm sad I don't hear more about Xbox 360 decomp projects. Ninja Gaiden II especially.

>>11936762
I wish ZMZ got updated with a newer libretro core. I tried it a while ago and liked it, but I've been spoiled by newer cores, and when I tried changing the core myself it didn't work.

>>11938229
Probably because you're on /vr/, retard.

>>11938257
That platform is 20 years old anon.

>>11938307
read the sticky or go back

>>11938313
nah

>>11938307
The non-retro posters must all be the same 2 or 3 people, because they always make the same posts when called out. Beat tor beat.

>>11938229
theres always n64 and gamecube decomps. I'm waiting for 32 bit decomps because I feel like that could be nice particularly for saturn. I sometimes wonder if 8 and 16 bit decomps would even be worth it or not considering the relative ease of modding the roms

I have a Switch and have been playing old N64 games on the official emulator. I've noticed that the games seem super choppy, slow to respond, and all around feel like you're moving through sludge. I though tthis might just be my spoiled brain used to 60 fps not remembering how these games used to play.

I've also tried some PC N64 emulators and noticed a similar feeling...

But over the weekend took my old N64 and connected it straight into an old TV with AV cables and played on an original N64 controller and the input feedback is instant... there is no sluggishness and the lower frame rate isn't noticalbe at all on the older TV...

Are emulators really that bad?? Are wireless controllers ruining gaming? I had no idea that I was having such a subpar experience away from the real hardware.

>>11938630
Input delay is a very real thing, and yet it's something that only semi-recently began being seriously addressed by emulator developers. Nintendo probably doesn't give a fuck, as they do the bare minimum, and much of their mouthbreathing audience doesn't notice, so they have little incentive to do anything. Only reason they even fixed the godawful graphics emulation at the launch of the N64 service is because that was extremely glaring and it made headlines.

>>11938630
>>11938943
Sadly the Mupen core in RA doesn't support runahead which would fix that problem, but if you're lucky enough for the game you want to play to have a decomp there's always that

>>11938467
I remember there being a SMW decomp, but it was half-baked at best and still not as good as the 16:9 ROM hack meant for BSNES HD.

>PCSX2 1.6: previous gaming desktop with 5500xt struggled to run alot of games
>PCSX2 2.5: installed it on my 2020 thinkpad X1 running inux for shits and giggles, same exact games run at 60FPS with no problems

Damn....PS2 Emulation has really come a long way in the past few years.

>>11939073
I find the mupen core is usually pretty good in that regard, but you need to make sure you're using either Vulkan with 2 max swapchain images if using ParaLLEl, or glcore with GPU hard sync set to 0 if using GLideN64. Other things like using VRR may help, but those are the big ones.

>>11938630
Mostly Placebo effect, friend. Switch one is very laggy (dock alone adds a frame) but a good emulator running in windows with a decent monitor should have little noticeable difference, that is, there would be a difference but it would be quite negligible.

>>11931408
>on PC
Wait a couple years for a gabensale.
>not on PC
Sorry, I pirate. I don't think even jewtendo still cares about their abandonware n64 titles though.

>>11938943
It's crazy to me how rock solid the N64 is. You plug it in and it just works. The controller, all the plugs, everything way back from 1997 just working flawlessly. The games just plug in and work great. Not only that, you turn it on and the game just immediately starts, no long boot up or other bullshit. The controller buttons still feel amazing and there are no issues with the joystick.

Meanwhile, I tried to turn on my wife's laptop from 2016 and it's sputtering to life, barely functioning, lagging beyond belief and overall clear how much every component has deteriorated. My switch controller joysticks all have problems too.

I'm sure it's easier to build hardware for simpler software, but it sure feels like the quality of electronics has declined markedly as they have grown more complex.

>>11940656
>The controller
Bullshit. n64 controllers wear out 10x faster than anything else.

>>11940720
NTA, but wouldn't a hall effect replacement make the N64 controller better than new?

>>11940738
That would be great if someone could replicate the feel of the original. Every joystick replacement or alternate controller I've tried didn't feel right compared to the real thing.

>>11939283
kinda glad I got into emulation pretty late, I think it was like 2022

>>11931663
how much of that is from the pleasure of brand repetition

can anyone here hook me up with the super nes classic frames ripped and converted into retroarch overlays? i have been trying to google around for this but can't find anyone who's done it.
if nobody has them i have a snes classic i will look into dumping it's firmware and just make them myself then post here.

i was surprised to not find it already done though this felt like something very obvious.

>>11941328
i found them packaged as a shader:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/yggrh9iiu4437ij/mini-border-shader.zip
the assets are there though, they just need cfg files to use them as overlays.
i will whip that up for all of them later today and post it here.

>>11931357 (OP)
It was perfect but i believe some windows update or driver update fucks the behavior of pj64 because every time i go to fullscreen it glitches.

>>11943207
>using PJ64 in the current year of our lord
Nigga if you hate Retroarch there are standalones that are way better and more accurate than PJ64 like Gopher64 or RMG (trannyware but it's good and the UI is like PJ64)

>>11943967
NTA, but unfortunately there are still ROM hacks being released today that seem to work better on Project64 than on other emulators. Kaze in particular doesn't appear to care to test his hacks on anything else (his rationale being none of them are completely accurate anyway, so may as well choose a single arbitrary emulator and target that rather than waste time making sure his hacks work on all of them).

>>11944294
Kaze's current shit in intended to work on real hardware. Stop being a pajeet and get Parallel Launcher.

>>11944298
I'm not defending Poojeet64, retard. I'm fully aware Kaze primarily targets real hardware, but when he does test on emulators, he primarily tests on Project64 and that's what he usually recommends for his hacks. I'm only stating why Project64 unfortunately still has relevance and refuses to die. Many speedrunners also exclusively use Project64 for whatever fucking reason, most notably SM64 and OoT runners. So all of that, plus people who don't want to use anything else as long as their favorite games Just Werk, are why it still sees use.

>>11936806
You got to have 486 or above
Sorry

>>11944313
Being intented to work on real hardware should make it work well on more accurate emulators, nitwit. Parallel Launcher is recommended these days for Mario 64 romhacks. Besides, Project64 shouldn't even be that bad so long as you get a newer version. Both it and Mupen use GLideN64 for HLE graphics anyway.

>>11944362
>Being intented to work on real hardware should make it work well on more accurate emulators
It SHOULD, but when Kaze's demo for Return to Yoshi's Island came out, it only worked properly on Project64. All the Mupen-based emulators had huge issues with it, and it randomly crashed on Ares. ParaLLEl launcher released an update that more or less fixed it, at least, but it's clear from this that aside from real hardware, Kaze really only tested it against Project64. It may just be that, for all its faults, there may be one or two things PJ64 does correctly that even ares doesn't, or at least in a way that just so happens to agree with everything Kaze puts the N64 hardware through.

For me it's PSX'98

Why does mgba use too much cpu when no game is loaded? Tested VBA-M and it does not have that problem.

>>11941171
I remeber that back in 2017 PJ64's shitty default plugin did not work well with Majora's Lens of Truth. Glad they switched to GlideN64 for 3.0

>>11939283
1.6 was a gigatroll stable to be on, 1.7 nightlies were on par with 2.0 versions for years BUT the 2.0 stable release was a big, big deal for emulation yes

What's gonna replace Duckstation for standalone PSX emulation, now that stenzek is having another bitchfit?

>>11945925
Beetle PSX HW

>>11945928
Standalone. I am not going to fuck around with Retroarch or any multi-emulator horseshit.

>>11945948
Then keep using Duckstation

>>11933912
Why don't you say the name, Myfriendt?

>>11946031
>added a "f" and "d" to myrient
Clever.

>>11933912
That site owns.

>>11931357 (OP)
how do you guys get crt shaders working on stand alone emulators without retroarch? I am a retard when it comes to computers.

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a better controller than the Logitech F310? I have shit taste and keep buying these because I know they work, but lately I want something more comfortable but equally as plug & play.

>>11946370
8bitdoe is the way to go

>>11946171
just use retroarch
the only people who complain about it are retards who would rather bitch endlessly about the ui rather than taking five seconds to actually wrap their heads around it or figure out you can change it to a much cleaner ps3 style one
however for the love of God, do not use the fucking steam version

>>11933912
plus there is also a good site where you could do some retro game talking.

>>11946550
>figure out you can change it to a much cleaner ps3 style one
im in the ui menu right now but cant find it.

>>11946602
Settings/Drivers/Video
you can change the ui there

>>11946610
typo
i meant menu

>>11946370
If you like this DualShock style, the DualSense is the best it's ever been.

>>11946550
I thought the PS3 style one was the default? And it's still completely unintuitive.

>>11949814
Nowadays the default UI is the Switch one.

I thought retroarch was easy to move between systems. I copied everything exactly and when you try to load a game it says not found. I had to delete all my playlists and add them again.

>>11945925
Likely nothing

>>11946171
There are applications like shaderglass and librashader. The former is an overlay you put the tab over the game I believe. I never tried it because I was wary of additional overhead. I'm not like a tech understander though

>>11949885
>the Switch one
Huh?

Why do people no longer have love for standalone emulators? Wherever I look, I see people only discussing retroarch and their cores.

Anyone do VPX emulation? Im starting to get the hang of it but PuP stuff still is a bit daunting to set up properly

>>11940656
I don't think the main cause of declining quality is that the hardware is more complex, but that companies now use cheaper parts even if they aren't as reliable or provide an inferior experience. For example, all companies are selling expensive controllers with low quality joysticks that develop drift over time instead of using better quality or even magnetic ones.

>>11953363
I use both standalones (Dolphin, PCSX2, 86Box) and Retroarch (everything else)
I like Retroarch because stuff like image scaling and VRR is consistent through all cores. My biggest complaint about it is the button mapping but I'm willing do endure it for the rest of the features

>>11953363
People are chained to RetroArch because of shaders and to a lesser extent achievements if you're into that.

>>11933261
>>11933910
How's Donkey Kong Sixty Four?

>>11956432
Perfectly playable from start to finish on every emulator worth using. Only "issue" is that no emulator currently replicates its lag perfectly, which on one hand makes it run more smoothly, but on the other hand makes certain tricks and sequence breaks impossible to perform.

>>11956470
So bugs around stuck doors and whatever else were fixed? Got any links, like to github issues or whatever?
I think (but I have no proof since I don't have a cartridge dumper handy) that there were a few points in the game where the game just broke if it wasn't on real hardware. I think Jungle Japes had a gate that was broken like that.

>>11956494
https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20donkey
Ares only has the timing issue, which also affects some cutscenes, but again, very minor shit.
https://github.com/libretro/mupen64plus-libretro-nx/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20donkey
RA's Mupen core has some issues with GLideN64 supposedly, but one of them seems to be a mobile-only issue, and the other is seemingly fixed, but the issue hasn't closed.
https://github.com/mupen64plus/mupen64plus-core/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20donkey%20state%3Aopen
On standalone mupen, three of the issues are many years old and have seen no follow-up, so most likely they're no longer a problem and just haven't been closed. One also involves the RA mupen core, but last I tried the game on that, I didn't encounter it at all. RMG is closely based on standalone mupen, so it shouldn't have any problems either.
https://github.com/simple64/simple64/issues/288
Only has the same timing issue as ares. Note that this emulator has been discontinued and succeeded by gopher64, but there's no info on how DK64 runs on it. Now, according to the author, it has reached parity with simple64, but it's hard to tell if that's true in regards to compatibility. Maybe avoid?
https://github.com/project64/project64/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20donkey
It may actually be broken on Project64, at least on the nightly builds, but that's to be expected since it's been undergoing a top-to-bottom rewrite for a while now. Latest stable may be fine. I'd avoid it in any case.

>>11953558
I've done this for Theater of Magic, mainly because I used to play it in real-life often. One of my relatives had a ToM machine in their basement, and it was the first time I found out about DIP switches and Free Play.

bump

>>11953558
I use VPX quite a bit, the only PuP game I have working is Iron Maiden though. Pinball is great

>>11960043
I hate that most Pinball machines require you to sign up for a couple forums instead of letting you download them directly like normal websites.

>>11956580
What's the verdict of gopher64

>>11938630
>I've also tried some PC N64 emulators and noticed a similar feeling...

There are ways to reduce input latency for computer emulation: in your GPU settings turn on low latency mode and turn off all the unneeded bullshit, use a pad that doesn't add input lag, use a frame or two of runahead, etc

>>11960154
Not that guy, but I also had this problem only for N64 emulation, it also included dropped inputs.

>>11960134
trying it now
lags if you click out the window, crashes if you minimize then bring it back up
graphic glitches
can't figure out how to load saves from other emulators, and not sure if it has save states or not?

>>11931385
I spilled my water through the office. thx anon.

what is the best SNES emulator currently?

>>11931357 (OP)
What's the easiest way to emulate Dos on iPad that works with GoG versions? I want to slaughter injuns in Colonization while laying on the couch.

>>11960515
>>11936104

>>11960427
Update
Got it smoothed out, make sure expansion pak is turned off for games that don't need it, just in case, reset after making new controller profiles, and don't fuk with the window too much while playing. Input feed is good and I can play the game with no noticable delay as far a I can tell yet.

>>11960515
Accuracy wise? Ares