Thread 11932213

Which is better, the original or the recent remaster?

>>11932213 (OP)
I prefer the remaster.

I recommend you to play the """"retro"""" game over the non-retro one since you're asking on the retro board

The remake initially seems like an honest effort to modernize a classic but it manages to fail in some really important areas.

>Gameplay
The game has turned insanely easy. You get +5s in any attribute you want, no matter what class you play as or what skills you've been using. By level 15 you'll already have 2 maxed attributes which is insanely good. The distinction between Major and Minor skills might as well be a fashion choice as now Minor skills also contribute to level ups which makes leveling really fast and futher renders the class system pointless. Weapon swings downgraded to what i'd call "combos" For example, instead of being able to slash away at a boar with your dagger, now your character does 2 slashes and a stab, even if you clicked more than 3 times. The worst offender in this is two-handed weapons which are locked to a couple of swings only and it sucks ass. There's also smaller stuff like power attacks with certain weapons having extra effects like bleeding or giving you Shield instead of the old stuff like knockback, disarm or paralyze, giving The Lord and other signs huge buffs. The only objectively good gameplay change was making daggers scale with Agility instead of Strength which makes it more appealing for ninja characters.

>UI/Quality of Life
There ARE some neat things like disabling the zoom-in character faces while in dialog, showing both the shop and the player's inventories at the same time, colored icons on the map but there's also a handful of fuck ups. Items and spells are somehow not properly sorted like in the original. You browse through your inventory all items tab and you'll find both potions, armor and gems all mixed together, not grouped seperately at all, this is a mess and inexcuseable. There's also a few other UI related things that escape me at the moment but in general its one step forward, half a step back.

Cont.

>>11932305

>Graphics/Audio
Adding more voice actors was unexpected but really welcome, it really brings new life to dialogs. Some SFX also change, nothing crazy but welcome still i suppose. Graphics wise the game looks gorgeous, besides the stupid ass color filters one can mod out, the game looks faithful to the original and even improves upon certain parts, making them look more immersive. Caves and dungeons really shine in this and look very detailed due to how they're modelled but also thanks to a few details like bugs crawling around, sheen on surfaces etc.

My personal verdict is that while on some parts, the remake is spot on, it really failed on others and its a rather different experience in comparison to the original. The remake is for modern audiance so, take that as you will. Wish someone ports the new voice acting to the original one day.

>>11932213 (OP)
Original has charm out the arse, and unlike the remaster doesn't look like every other AAA game released in the last few years (thanks UE5!!!).
Also I suspect this is not actually retro either way.

>>11932335
>look like every other AAA game released in the last few years (thanks UE5!!!)
Not a problem since I haven't played every other AAA game

>>11932213 (OP)
Remaster

>>11932213 (OP)
Why would you play a remaster? What exactly stands in the way of enjoying the original game?

>>11932213 (OP)
The one that's not over 100gb

>>11932213 (OP)
Original if you want mods and the purer experience. Remaster if you don't mind modernslop (I mind modernslop and did not enjoy it.)

>>11932432
>mods and the purer experience

>>11932213 (OP)
I actually thought it was strange how the remade the game instead of Morrowind or Daggerfall. Oblivion is not even that old and technically dated, it's a X360/PS3 game too.

>>11932448
I heard they fucked up significant aspects of the remaster and that it's gay.

>>11932448
Oblivion has full voice acting and built for controller support so it translated to modern audiences with minimum effort. They just harnessed UE5 around the gamebyro engine, tasked some french video game art asset making studio to make stuff and shipped it for big $
a Morrowind remaster would take a ton of work and Daggerfall remaster would require making a whole new game (that isn't very good)

>>11932462
name 3 things they fucked up

>>11932213 (OP)
The remaster could have been a lot worse bit as it is, there's absolutely no reason to play it over the original especially when it's 100gb while the original game is like 7 or so.

>>11932437
An "and/or the purer experience" might be more appropriate.
>>11932448
>I actually thought it was strange how the remade the game instead of Morrowind or Daggerfall.
That would require a lot more tuning to make either remake more palatable for their current audience. Oblivion is basically "proto-Skyrim".

>>11932448
>I actually thought it was strange how the remade the game
It's a remaster, not a remake. It's relatively modern, so it just needed upgraded graphics.

>>11932469
Yes Morrowind would require a straight up remake.

And no one cares about Daggerfall

>>11932471
Leveling, armor/weapon design, using UE5 are just the 3 biggest issues.
To go further they changed the some of the VA's but then also kept some of the original ones leading to some weird ass sounding actors that feel extremely out of place. They introduced new bugs (while also leaving in almost all the old ones).
Like on it's own merits this game is extremely middle of the road, but in the context that it is a remaster it's more expensive for an objectively worse experience, anything you would like from it's "QoL" changes could already be done through mods for a game that takes up 10x less hard drive space. It's just a pointless purchase to make when you have a better, cheaper, and far more enjoyable experience right around the corner.
Also worth mentioning I had more crashes in a single playthrough of the remaster than my entire time playing turbo modded oblivion for the last 15 years.

>>11932213 (OP)
Nobody plays Oblivion for the gameplay, the story, or the graphics.

Oblivion is only a classic because of it's pure soul artystyle, it's hilarious AI jank, voice acting, mods and sidequests.

Remake completely ruins it. You will be wondering why the fuck people even like this shit, because oblivion is a fucking awful game. The remaster sucks all the soul out which is the reason the game clicked with people.

>>11932502
It's janky and slow too, I suspect they used AI or pajeets to translate significant sections of game logic code.

>>11932502
as expected, you couldn't muster 3 actual things that are fucked up. bye faggot

>>11932543
Remakes aren't retro anyway, you're just here doing an advertisement.

>>11932543
He just did you fucking pajeet.

>>11932507
>pure soul artystyle
Remaster comes out, now oblivion's graphics are suddenly soul

>>11932543
lol

>>11932213 (OP)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

>>11932560
I said the artstyle was soul, but yeah now you mention the graphics have aged pretty well. The graphics look like shit, but there's something about the sheer ambition that reminds you in 2006 Oblivions graphics were pretty mindblowing and revolutionary and pushing Tech at the time. The remaster graphics are impressive, but they aren't pushing anything, it's just the same high fidelity UE5 slop that every modern game has now

>>11932698
>2006 Oblivions graphics were pretty mindblowing and revolutionary and pushing Tech
What part of them?

>>11932716
It's the first game I remember having HDR for that's worth, the faces for all the shit they got I always found looked really good for the time with a few exceptions that people like to tout around as if every single person looked like them pic rel.

>>11932731
That's mindblowing and revolutionary and pushing Tech?

>>11932745
you had to be there. it was impressive in its day

>>11932761
Imagine if you were there in 2004 when vtmb and hf2 came out

>>11932437
bethesda games are meant to be played with mods, yes

>>11932771
I was. All of these games were impressive for the time.

>>11932820
From
>mindblowing and revolutionary and pushing Tech
to
>impressive
Impressive is more accurate. Oblivion looked amazing.

>>11932828
I never said mind-blowing or pushing tech

>>11932838
This guy did
>>11932698

>>11932851
good for him?

>>11932869
It's good we settled on "impressive". We don't need contrarians making shit up just because a remaster came out.

>>11932213 (OP)
The original silly faces are priceless

>>11932448
>Oblivion is not even that old and technically dated
Thats exactly why they did.

>>11932921
>poorfag bringing his doctored photo sham comparisons in again
you lost, the remaster is better, you can't afford to play it, get over it.

>>11932745
It was in the context of consoles, oblivion came out when the 360 was still fresh, and for consoles, it was an impressive game. PC players already had their mind blowing titles, but most of those never got or got a console port way after. Like I said, the most technically impressive thing would be the HDR, which personally I barely noticed, but everyone else seems to have found it impressive.

>>11932967
>HDR, which personally I barely noticed, but everyone else seems to have found it impressive.
I don't remember anyone mentioning it. People talked about the bloom, it was the bloom era of video games.

>>11932326
>Graphics wise the game looks gorgeous, the game looks faithful to the original and even improves upon certain parts, making them look more immersive
What a boldfaced fucking lie

>>11932213 (OP)
You tell me
https://youtu.be/X6GuoyjwL7g

>>11932326
>Adding more voice actors was unexpected but really welcome
they changed Lord Rugdump's voice
unforgivable

>>11932213 (OP)
What's the point of the remaster? Gameplay is barely changed and mods would easily make both games better in that regard anyway. Graphics of the remaster are extremely boring and looks like any other ue5 game, while having the usual performance issues of it

>>11932216
wow

>>11933406
money
may have been a test run for a morrowind remake or some shit that they figured what the hell, let's release it, or an employee's personal project that picked up steam
but they released it for money

>>11932213 (OP)
I still play the original but there's only so much mods can do regarding the visuals.

>>11933471
The visuals are pure fucking kino. Let me guess you play AI upscales too?

man, anons trying to be contrarian and having pooptoasters from 2012 has made for some really bad takes

>UE5 stutters

no thanks I'll play OG when I get the itch

>>11932213 (OP)
i like the original more but the remake did "fix" the leveling problem.

>>11932213 (OP)
The remaster is fucking disgusting go with the original which actually looks better than the remaster when on max settings.

If you don't like the faces download character overhaul 2

>>11933535
I wasn't specific but i meant things like pop ins.

>>11933553
what leveling problem?

>>11933709
>what leveling problem?

>>11933959
yeah don't be helpful and give an answer or anything, post a dumb meme

>>11933709
>what leveling problem?

>>11933709
>what leveling problem?
The attribute bonus system causes unbearable discomfort to neurodivergent individuals.

>>11933959
>>11934002
There is no leveling problem you're just bad at the game

>>11933709
>>11934687
The "leveling" problem is the fact the level scaling in Oblivion is fucked. You can easily overlevel yourself without being strong enough to actually fight the creatures and if you go over level 25 or so the difficulty of the enemies becomes ridiculous to the point that you need to start doing a lot of cheese to fight them effectively.
The other side to that is HP gained from endurance is not retroactive meaning to get the most benefit you should build and level your character to maximize endurance early, this was changed in the remaster to be retroactive. There's plenty of other more minor issues with the leveling system such as random bandits wearing daedric armor, low "tier" mobs disappearing entirely from the world.
The remaster did not fix any of these issues, it simply applied a bandaid to the easiest part to fix, the best mod I've seen to fix most of these issues was "Level Scaling Unclusterfucked" or something to that effect, it also has issues but it's far better than the base game.

>>11932213 (OP)
The4 remaster is ALWAYS better, especially GTA.

>>11934960
>You can easily overlevel yourself without being strong enough to actually fight
By grinding speechcraft like an idiot

>>11934960
>You can easily overlevel yourself without being strong enough to actually fight the creatures
I have literally never had this problem
I think you might just be bad at the game

>>11932326
So it looks like they tried and failed to fix two of the bigger complaints about the game (level scaling and combat feeling more like wiping your sword on people). I can't say I'm really mad about that since the jank was part of the game's charm.

Speaking of graphics, the original is playable at 4k native even on a now potato spec 4GB RX570. I'd recommend trying it since the added detail can be pretty neat.

>>11935050
You have to turn all that grass and shit off or else you'll never find many items.

>>11932213 (OP)
why would i buy the same game again? for the SOVLsucked gfx?

>>11934960
yah but u just gotta use magic an shieeet

>>11935208
Did someone ask you to buy Oblivion again

>>11935215
yea opie did when he asked me if i preferred oblivion or the autoslop unreal remake. which i obviously didnt because i own oblivion already and dont need to buy it again

>>11935373
who the fuck is opie???

>>11935373
>he asked me if i preferred oblivion or the autoslop unreal remake
Which you haven't played so your opinion doesn't matter, poorfag

>>11932213 (OP)
original

>>11932213 (OP)
They both suck.

>>11934986
>>11935014
These issues come from how you make your character, if you make a combat focused character that levels with combat you will probably be fine, god forbid you choose a non-combat major because it ain't hard to level alchemy early on and push your character to level 8 before you've done anything.
To say "lol never happens to me" is completely irrelevant, you could also just drop the difficulty to nothing and never have these issues. It's a poorly designed leveling system combined with aggressive level scaling that results in a shittier experience even if you're still blasting through the game.
I've played this game with about every class you could make and I can say that there's always an easy option to trivialize the game but that doesn't mean the system isn't complete shit.
I mean shit nothing is stopping you from grinding half the skills to 100 before you even leave the prison at the start of the game. Does that mean it's a good idea?

>>11937951
>non-combat major because it ain't hard to level alchemy early on and push your character to level 8 before you've done anything.
You can use alchemy for combat, retard.

>>11933068
Get a better graphics card you poor fag

>>11939785
I don't think a GPU has anything to do with generic UE5 assets and 3D models made by 3 Thai dudes in a shack.

>>11932213 (OP)
Original