Thread 11934757

Who's the Clive Sinclair of Japan and America?

>>11934757 (OP)
Whoever made the MSX

Another weekend of auster delusions huh

>who made the most shit gaming platform in japan or america?
i dont know. im not sure there even is anything as bad as the zx spectrum

>>11934757 (OP)
Clive never intended his company's computers to be used for g#ming, and was annoyed that was their nearly-exclusive use,

so whoever was running Hitachi when they accidentally made the world's most popular masturbation aid? The waterproof model is new this year! Not really the same because Zed-Ex Speculum is particularly bad at running games. It was just affordable and ubiquitous.

You can argue that Jack Tramiel had a similar role to one which Clive Sinclair would play in the UK a few years later by slashing Commodore VIC-20 price to an absolute minimum, resulting in a sub-$300 computer affordable by general puclic.

>>11934763
>MSX
I don't think MSX is actually Japanese at all

>>11934841
iirc Spectravideo was working on a standard and in talks with Microsoft for support. Nishi met with them and that got the ball rolling on what the standard became. The base is American, but there were some changes made based on Japanese input. Couldn't get the price low enough to compete in the US though.

>>11934878
>Couldn't get the price low enough to compete in the US though.
They did however scare Jack Tramiel into believing that MSX is gonna wreck the US market, forcing him to design the ill-fated 264 computer line as a sub-$99 home computer, which after his departure was terribly mismanaged and mutated into a $299 Commodore Plus/4 and Commodore 16.

>>11934778
Tramiels's UK equivalent would be Alan Sugar. A parasitic Jew who created nothing and stole a living with his slimy business tactics.

>>11934769
here she is, like clockwork

>>11934757 (OP)
apply yourself

>>11934757 (OP)
delusional britbongs always get me laughing on here

>>11935096
in 10 years you people will pretend the PS1 was the speccy of its age just because bongs enjoyed it and programmed games for it

>>11935096
There is an anti-bong agenda on this board and I can see it lol

>>11935087
While Woz was s genius of computing, Apple ][ was completely unaffordable by the masses. It retailed for a price way higher than its initial competitors TRS-80 or Commodore PET. Apple ][ was a machine for computing enthusiasts. There's a reason it is remembered today as something you'd encounter at schools, not in homes.

>>11935109
No we wont because bongs didnt invent it (but im sure they will try to claim they invented it at some point) while trying to make it look like the best thing ever while its a pile of shit

>>11935134
I remember one anon saying Sony owed everything to bongs because devs used the dev kit designed by Psygnosis

>>11935203
>those fucking glasses
I miss when the technology world was ruled by actual nerds

Clive was a legend

>>11934769
the speccy isnt a "gaming platform". Clive Sinclair actively despised video games

>>11935240
Clive had to swallow his pride by the time ZX Spectrum 128 arrived. That model was actually advertised as a superior gaming platform.

>>11935206
Can you play the Speccy in your mum's car?

>>11934763
So Microsoft?
Amazing Microsoft never talks about it despite being the Xbox/Windows predecessor.

>>11935876
Bill Gates had a public falling out with the head of ASCII, leading to Microsoft abandoning the MSX platform after a few years. Later revisions of MSX standard had no involvement from Microsoft.

>>11935881
Oh damn, never knew about this. Very sad too.

>>11935893
It was full of them the landscape of the cyberwars was brutal consider aol or the other webgiants who fell like dominoes once people started making webpages

>>11934757 (OP)
Bill Gates and Bill Gates (the M in MSX stands for Microsoft).

>>11934757 (OP)
>Clive Sinclair of Japan and America?
Humm
Steve Woznaak and Akio Morita

>>11934772
>Clive never intended his company's computers to be used for g#ming, and was annoyed that was their nearly-exclusive use,
You don;t know what you;re on about gaming was not their exclusive use, they had work processors, spreadsheets every form of ultiity software known to the human brain, on;ly the PC has abigger software library
>>11934769
>i dont know. im not sure there even is anything as bad as the zx spectrum
Are you mentally ill. Coming to this board and shitting on one of the geratest genuises and visonaries of the 8 Bit era?

>>11934778
>You can argue that Jack Tramiel had a similar role to one which Clive Sinclair would play in the UK a few years later by slashing Commodore VIC-20 price to an absolute minimum, resulting in a sub-$300 computer affordable by general puclic.
Good point.

>>11937440
>4800 yen in 1985
holy shit

>>11935096
>delusional britbongs always get me laughing on here
Spectrum was huge everywhere from Russia though Italy and Spain to the UK. Go learn something. lurk more while you do newfag. This board is not just fapping on about mediocre and limited japanese cartridge consoles you know.

>>11937451
>everywhere
>4 countries

>>11937445
Businesspeople got real computers, not Clive's toys.

>We have speccy at home, comrade
>The speccy at home

>>11937480
Those keys look edible

>>11934772
>no fun allowed
Why was he like that?

>>11935123
Why did schools buy the Apple II instead of the TRS-80 which was half the price anyway?
Did Apple sell it to schools at half the price so kids get used to Apple machines or something?

>>11937504
crusty old man with bong genes

>>11937505
Jobs saw an opportunity in the educational market and really pushed for his computers there, including lobbying politicians and offering special courses for teachers that teaches them how to use and advocate Apple computers.

>>11937504
He also made a toy electric trike, intending for it to be a serious commuter vehicle. It didn't have nearly the speed or range to be more useful than a bicycle.

>>11937542
He made a bunch of stuff including a pocket TV that placed the CRT gun to the right of the screen, the man was an enormous brain that created stuff constantly, he also created an electric folding scooter people laughed at but he was just way way ahead of his time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLsDJ1ZWxOE

>>11937504
>Why was he like that?
He wanted to gerate a generation of programers and chip designers
And he did. Psion which started as the quasi official sofwtare publisher for the spectrum 16K was instrumental in creating mobile data with Nokia, Intel and Microsoft and wrote the symbian oeprating system as wella s creatig teh psion PDA, one of the first sucessful pocket computers while apple was struggling withnthe newton. The pedigree of the Spectrum is everywhere all around you and in most games and systems and techologies you love flowig through the peope who wrote them and started with Z80 assembler and BASIC, all because of Clive SInclair..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5k0AWrBIPc

His proigee went on to found acorn after a falling out who later created the arm processor.

>>11935893
According to legend, this dinosaur in Tokyo sent Bill Gates into a nuclear meltdown over how ASCII was spending funds on marketing MSX.

Who was the Alan Sugar of the US and Japan

I nominnate
Steve Jobs and Hiroshi Yamauchi

>>11934763
>Whoever made the MSX

Bill Gates. No joke. Bill Gates was in charge of designing the main spec for the original MSX computer. MSX actually stands for Microsoft-X.

>>11939095
Based Bill.

bump for speccy!

>>11939706
It's a terrible computer. They eventually fixed the keyboard and etc. though. Russians still make 'em today actually. With incredible enhancements.

>>11935217
We were certainly eating good in those days, but it is despite the fact that Bill Gates and his ilk were nerds, not because of it. The market was much more competitive and so companies strove to edge out the competition by either delivering high quality products, lowering prices, or both if possible. Even after Microsoft more or less obtained its monopoly in the 90's, they still felt they needed to make products people would actually want to buy because it would make their computing experience better. This was before they figured out they could just force you to upgrade one way or another, and it's not like you have anywhere else to go, so who cares if shit gets more bloated and more intrusive?

>>11939861
>companies strove to edge
aw hell yeah!

>>11934757 (OP)
Well that's fucking easy.

>>11940283
Those arrow keys look they're absolutely terrible to use

>>11941408
They are, but at least you have all four direction keys at once. On VIC-20 and C64 you have only one horizontal and one vertical direction key, and you have to hold Ctrl to move cursor in an opposite direction.

>>11941478
>check the rest of the 264 series
Oh god, not rubber keys

>>11941546
Like mentioned above, these computers were supposed to be cheapest of the cheap. They had to kill Timex-Sinclair (slightly modified ZX81 and Spectrum) computers in America and prevent the Japanese takeover of the American computer industry whenever the inevitable MSX invasion was going to happen. They were worse than C64 in almost every way and Tramiel fully understood that.

How did we wind up in a world that has no more Clive Sinclairs but amorphous and relatively techically talentless CEOs?
>>11939672
Say what you like about him but the young BillG was a hell of a coder

>>11939806
It was a great machine and eve3ryone who owned one expanded it with everything form joystick interfaces to speech synths and decidated fast tape drives or disk drives along with memory snapshotters, light guns e, drum machines, midi synths, centronics printers, modems, alternate keboards, sound processors, robotics relays track balls etc etc . It was a dream ecosystem and a fantastic machine, the Z80 was a great processor. Did you know that the interface 1 for it even encompassed abpasic programmable LAN networking stack in ROM expansion that facilitated a 100KB CDMA networking that allowed multiple spectrums on a 'lan' to load up the same executables as if from a file system

>>11942318
>Did you know that the interface 1 for it even encompassed abpasic programmable LAN networking stack in ROM expansion that facilitated a 100KB CDMA networking that allowed multiple spectrums on a 'lan' to load up the same executables as if from a file system

Here;s the innterface onne playing an early lan game 'damsels in distress;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqQKj484df8

>>11942318
> eve3ryone who owned one expanded it with everything
they had no choice if they wanted a functional computer. the big boys programming software for that thing weren't using spectrum hardware to develop on. they used other expensive computer systems and then sent the data to the spectrum's ram over serial or something.
>Did you know that the interface 1 for it even encompassed abpasic programmable LAN networking stack in ROM expansion that facilitated a 100KB CDMA networking that allowed multiple spectrums on a 'lan' to load up the same executables as if from a file system
did not know. c64 could do something less impressive using daisy chaining and sharing the drives+printers. the bbc micro had some neat system that sent data from one machine to another, much faster than c64s way of sharing a drive. i wonder if that was similar to speccy? no idea. early networking of things was kinda quirky but it worked.

>>11939095
Reminds how he hated the japanese Xbox ad with the photoshopped hands and the lack of consent.
The person who made it apologize a half-decade ago btw.

>>11935087
This is the closest answer for America, he did the actual work at apple and is multi talented

>>11940283
John Commodore himself...

>>11939095
The dinosaur is cool though.

>>11934772
it's really funny that clive thought his toy computers could compete with IBM in the executive world

>>11945050
Sir Clive's jumping ability got ahead of his thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0e0g3vl3L4

>>11945050
No one could compete with IBM in the 80s when it comes to businesses because you had to buy IBM because it's IBM and for businesses you buy IBM
Businesses didn't care that the Amiga 1000 was better than the PC AT in every way for 1/5th of the price, it's not an IBM and for businesses you buy IBM

>>11945081

https://youtu.be/QqfjiuqVrV4

>>11934757 (OP)
>of Japan
Kay Nishi
>and America
Steve Jobs

>>11945620
>Steve Jobs

I think Steve Jobs was a pretty good visionary on what he wanted to see in hardware and software. He was an incredible pitchman and could market anything to just about anybody. I think he was a bit full of himself during his first tenor at Apple, before he was booted out and formed NEXT. The man literally had to rely on his engineering teams to get what he wanted. Steve Wozniak was one of the real genuineness behind early Apple. Steve Jobs just knew how to market it all. Steve Jobs was good at communicating and working with engineers and programmers to get what he wanted.

>>11942306
several hells of programmers considering he didn't do shit himself and mostly just stole credit when he wasn't trying to create a monopoly on everything computer related.

>>11945914
You are underselling Jobs and overselling Wozniak. Jobs also knew when a product was actually good and would appeal to everyone without being total shit. He was an effective whip at the company who looked at what the engineers were doing and constantly said it wasn't good enough until he was satisfied with the product himself. Wozniak was a good programmer but that was all he was, he was not good at pitching, management, visionary or judge of ideas. This is why Apple went to shit when he got the boot and continues to decay further and further ever since his death.

>>11946068
>Jobs also knew when a product was actually good and would appeal to everyone without being total shit
There's a lot to criticize about Jobs, but this is undeniably true. It's pretty telling that one of his biggest inspirations was the original Sony Walkman. Story goes that he was so impressed by it that when he got his hands on one, he completely took it apart to study every part and component. It was functional, stylish, easy to use, and had universal appeal - the perfect product, pretty much, and he knew it at first glance. Sony went on to get high off of their own farts and pretty much forget this mantra, but Jobs certainly didn't.

>>11946068
>Wozniak was a good programmer but that was all he was, he was not good at pitching, management, visionary or judge of ideas.

Wozniak was a hardware engineer and a programmer, he was basically responsible for the Apple I as well as the Apple ][, and a lot of other early products from Apple. Job's first product: Lisa was a bit of a failure, and the original Apple Macintosh was seen as a mixed bag. It initially wasn't a big success, and was seen as too costly and under powered. But its simple design still was seen as innovative, and the Macintosh did gain traction in offices and schools. But it was also the system that got him booted out of Apple in 1987. Jobs had too much tunnel vision over trying to make it a success.

>>11945354
Can Steve Wozniak even jump?

>>11946068
>You are underselling Jobs
ranking him higher than a salesman would be insulting to people that actually know how to code and know how electronics works. he was that clueless about all of it. but even then, that software was developed and done before at xerox parc. they just swapped shares for licenses to copy as much as they could, and mac os was born.
>>11946496
> this bullshit story
lmao.

>>11934757 (OP)
Is this some expensive retro calculator?

>>11945354

> Voice that sounds like Kermit the Frog
> Jumps over chairs

Bill Gates is just Pepe in disguise.

speccy rules, america and nips drools

>>11935175
euros saved sony's ass again on PS3, basically rewrote their devkits bc the existing sony ones were too shit to use.

>>11935206
>draggin GB in a speccy thread with this trash
z80 bros over basedjak hos

>>11937724
>>11937730
this, clive's innovations touch our lives still today

>>11937445
>they had word processors, spreadsheets, every form of utility software known to the human brain
Ladies and Gentlemen, the ZX Spectrum business computing experience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY3ulU2uz9M

>>11952140
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORyVapXwWTU

ZX Spectrum interface 1 LAN and LAN game

Most people who used spectrums for printing regularly used a centronics interface printer and used line impact printers, same as any other system. The thermal printer was for hobby use. There were a lot of different centronics adptors pic related is one.

>>11934757 (OP)
In SU it was Lenin

>>11934757 (OP)
Imagine being in a serious meeting with Clive face-to-face just like in the pic and wanting to look at the top of his head just for a split second, but you can't because he'd notice you looking at the top of his head and if he did notice he'd be thinking there's only one reason he's looking at the top of my head, it's because i'm fucking bald.

Basicly I don't think anyone ever looked at the top of his head for this very reason.

>>11937503
Looks like the printing will come off with your fingers and give you some kind of infection.

>>11934757 (OP)
What are the best speccy games in /vr/'s opinion?

>>11934757 (OP)
>Japan
Gunpei Yokoi and Masayuki Uemura

>America
Jerry Lawson and Steve Jobs.
>>11934763
Kazuhiko Nishi.

>>11934757 (OP)
>Clive Sinclair
genius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWTkK4BjKeA

I need to watch Micro Men.

>>11956863
If only the QL was backwards compatible ZX-Spectrum, it would've saved the QL.

>>11935206
>garish eyeraping tranny colors with robot farts vs modest shades of green with actual music

>>11956905
>What are the best speccy games in /vr/'s opinion?
Elite
Lords of Midnight
Doom Darks Revenge
Knight Lore
Starstrike II
The way of the exploding fist
head over heels
sabre wulf & attik attack
Chaos Battle of Wizards
Space Hulk
Operation Vulcan
Fairlight
Dracula
Sherlock
Classic Adventure
Fighting Warrior
Operation Wolf
Light Force
R-Type
Arkanoid
Robocop
The Prince
Kinght Lore
Manic miner/jet Set willy
Dizzy
Psytron
Enigma Force
Penetrator
Pheenix
The Great Escape
Skool Daze
Gyroscope
the Hobbit/Lord of the Rings
Red Moon
The Price of Magik
Snowball
Return to Eden
The Worm in Paradise
Star Wars
Starglider
I of the Mask
Desert Rats
Arhnem
Dun Darach
Sabatoeur
Stonkers
Where Time stood Still
Valhalla
Zombi

>>11957327
tetris
3d starstrike
rommel's revenge

>>11957327
Nice, I'd add Laser Squad and the sequel to Chaos, Lords of Chaos, too.

>>11957350
commando
ghosts and goblins
Pac-man arcade
Xenon
Chronos
runestone
Rigel’s revenge
adventure auest
sorderon’s shadow
knight Orc
hammerfist
cobra
cybernoid
last ninja 2
Laser squad
Nether earth
Shadowfire
spy Vs spy
Nebulus
deflektor
anarchy
academy/tau ceti
Mercenary
Tomahawk
Carrier Command
Driller
Darkside
Tir na nog
Heroquest
Gauntlet
dan dare
tarhet renegade

>>11957354
Fairlight 2

>>11957354
Best time to be a gamer ever m8.

>>11957285

Admittedly it was a sloppy edit on my part. But eh... based on image related... It is getting close to the 5 year (I mean... 40 year.. oops...) anniversary of Zniggy, I thought I would throw something together. It was an edit of image related.

>>11956863

.

>>11956863

Can't believe someone made a NES port...
https://youtu.be/eRFe9aBKlnI

Dan Dare 2
Jetpac
Psion Chess
Erik the Viking
Beach Head
Daley Thompson's Decathlon
Paradroid
Theatre Europe
The Pawn
Uridium
Sanxion
The Guild of Thieves
Defender of the Crown
Annals of Rome
Bubble Bobble
Renegade
Shadows of Mordor
Deus Ex (because its fucking wierd and ingenious using an audio track on the casette)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex_Machina_(video_game)

>>11957625
https://youtu.be/-mibfApzelk?feature=shared&t=145

>>11957625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwKfbSzR5dA

>>11957661
Fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ8i5WC70F8

>>11957278
>CLIVE SINCLAIR, THE MAN WHO BROUGHT YOU JET SET FUCKING WILLY

>>11957635
lmao you can hear a windows system sound at 28:11

>>11935134
Bongs still insist that Nintendo stole the beta of Croc 1 to create SM64.