Thread 11939720

When did it stop being considered a masterpiece?

when the copium ran out and the buyer's remorse set in

>>11939720 (OP)
How is the combat in this game, does it require any thought?

What is the point of this board if it is just someone remaking threads from v, and the v threads get more replies.

>>11939726
yeah

>>11939720 (OP)
It was just too intelligent of a game for the average person.
People were confused by the tiered attacks.
People were confused by the accents that characters have.
People were confused that none of the 40+ party members were important to the main plot.

Oh boy, this again.
It was never once broadly considered a masterpiece. Everything but the music and backgrounds were executed poorly. It's a 4/10 at best and I really like Square RPGs and weird esoteric japanese plots. I bought it both when it released and when the remaster came out, awful both times. I'm sorry, I wanted to like it too.

>>11939741
>People were confused by the tiered attacks.
No one was. The whole battle system was very basic but it "looked" confusing and complicated at a glance.

>>11939720 (OP)
Right when it came out
I knew it was shit the moment I realized it doesn't matter if you "save" kidd or not.
I then knew it was shit when I realized din this game you are exploring two worlds that look exactly the same rather than 7 worlds that look distinctly different and beautiful.
I then realized it's shit when I realized they completely shoehorned the chrono trigger ties at the last second in the stupidest manner possible when they realized nobody would buy this shit game otherwise.
I then realized the game is shit when I learned the entire purpose of this game is to save schala in a completely useless timeline and they got her hair color wrong because again, they shoehorned the tie in at the last second terribly and with no understanding or respect to the original IP. (In before schala dyed her hair)

Best soundtrack in gaming history as arguably though.

>>11939760
Sit down to play Chrono Trigger and I can’t put down the controller. Sit down to play Chrono Cross and I can’t wait to put down the controller. Simple as. Awesome OST tho for sure!

>>11939728
I wish this site would get "hacked" again and maybe this time for good.

>>11939720 (OP)
FFX did the tropical island setting thing better.

>>11939728
Some of the posts were copy pasted as well. Someone is really mad they got btfo in the previous thread.

it triggers triggies

>>11939720 (OP)
It was graphically impressive, but the story was lackluster and the characters were lame. Couple in that you turn into a furfag early in the game made it even less appealing.

It didn't help that random encounters just took forever to complete because of all the camera swinging and cinematics, similar to ff9.

>>11939741
>It was just too intelligent of a game for the average person.
It was a midwit game trying to be intelligent.
>People were confused by the tiered attacks.
Nobody was confused except you it seems. The tiered attack were stupid because you could easily just do the 1-2 combo and never have to think about it again. Add vigora and then just spam 3's and it gets even worse.
>People were confused that none of the 40+ party members were important to the main plot.
There is a difference between not being important to the plot and finding random flowers as party members. In suikoden you could get away with it because they had a purpose.

>>11939887
There is no random encounter in Chrono cross

Chrono cross hater didn't even play the game

>>11939726
it's needlessly complicated but most complexities can be safely ignored because the game is so easy. there are only two or three bosses in the game that are remotely challenging and the regular encounters are a joke.

>>11939908
>In suikoden you could get away with it because they had a purpose.

Suikoden characters are also nicer to look at than the 3D-Zelda-game-worthy monsters of Chrono Cross, and far fewer of them are random walking jokes or cartoon characters who appear to have come from another dimension.

Never liked Kato games. His achievements:
-Man bullshited his importance for trigger and butchered the ps port
-failed to finish xenogears
-Radical dreamers was a underwhelming vn
- failed to finish cross while pising on the original game
-Found success only for a mediocre mobile game

>>11939760
>she never played radical dreamers
lmao
Nothing was shoehorned, you blithering retard.
Still a not-so-good game, though. And I it for the most part but just because I like something doesn't mean I can't recognise its multitude of glaring fucking flaws and wish they were better

>>11939760
>I knew it was shit the moment I realized it doesn't matter if you "save" kidd or not.
This is actually pretty typical for jrpg choices.
>I then knew it was shit when I realized din this game you are exploring two worlds that look exactly the same rather than 7 worlds that look distinctly different and beautiful.
It so funny that Kato had no concept of what alternative world meant.It doesn't mean Hitler is not a vegetarian, it means there might not be any Hitler.
>I then realized it's shit when I realized they completely shoehorned the chrono trigger ties at the last second in the stupidest manner possible when they realized nobody would buy this shit game otherwise.
They didn't shoehorn anything. The entire plot relies on trigger. The problem is Kato made the pacign so bad that 90% of the plot is on the second disc. So it seems shoehorned, but not really.
Lavos absorbed the magical power from schala, thus her hair color changed. This is consistent with his writing in trigger.

>>11939723
fpbp, no fan of chrono trigger who played it and isn't in denial thought it was good

>>11939723
>>11940328
Stop replying to yourself, Jarin

>>11939720 (OP)
why do you keep making these retarded threads?

chrono cross was, from day 1, considered a shit game with a good sound track

that's the consensus opinion to this day

>>11940431
>good sound track
Great, good is too little praise.

>>11940102
All verifiably false
>Never liked Kato games. His achievements:
>-Man bullshited his importance for trigger and butchered the ps port
He actually downplayed his involvement and took a lesser title and share of the glory relative to his (MASSIVE) contribution
>-failed to finish xenogears
He did his part. He's a writer. It's the dev team that couldn't deliver in time
>-Radical dreamers was a underwhelming vn
1) it's a text based rpg, not a visual novel
2) it's based as fuck
>- failed to finish cross while pising on the original game
He did neither of those things. Cross has an amazing bittersweet ending and more Ng+ content than Trigger, and why would he "pis" on trigger when supposedly inflated his involvement in it? You contradict yourself.
>-Found success only for a mediocre mobile game
He was successful enough with Trigger and Cross that you're still seething about it decades after the fact

>>11940447
Who's the composer?

>>11940457
Mitsuda Yatsunori.

>>11940456
>He actually downplayed his involvement
He took credit for the entire writing only because Akira was too japan to call him out. Kato only really was heavily involved with the zeal part.
>He did his part. He's a writer. It's the dev team that couldn't deliver in time
They couldn't finish int iem because somebody wrote most of the stuff for a 3disc game while being told it was handled by a new team and that the game won't have 3 discs.
>it's a text based rpg, not a visual novel
It is a visual novel, there are no rpg elements. The best you can say it has cyoa elements with specific choices.
>He did neither of those things
So cross is a perfectly finished game that wasn't rushed? Jesus, cross fanboys are delusional.
>Cross has an amazing bittersweet ending
Ah yes, the very generic fade to black and randon modern Jap footage is amazing. Truly a work of art.
>more Ng+ content than Trigger
Wow, one extra boss battle is something really amazing.
>and why would he "pis" on trigger when supposedly inflated his involvement in it?
Because he wanted to shill Chrono Cross as its own thing and barely connected to trigger for marketing purposes. Even he knew what a shitshow the game was compared to trigger.
>Cross
Cross was the lowest selling game among the ps1 square big hitters. Successful it was not. And that is according to fans and Square.

>>11939723
>>11940328
Remembering when the Chrono Compendium saw Kato answer a bunch of story questions with the most uncaring "I dunno lol maybe it just works" sort of responses and realizing all their years of trying to defend Chrono Cross as a good game were for nothing.

>>11939720 (OP)
>no central plot
>tons of throw away characters
it was always shit

>>11940537
People that like Cross don't like it because it's a sequel to Trigger. The sooner Trigger retards understand this the better.

Chrono cross is the only game where time travelling dinos fight futuristic humans.
Trigger fags can enjoy their bland game.

>>11940556
>post is about a bunch of people being Cross apologists since it came out and defended it for over two decades
>"Dude they're just retarded Trigger fans"
Are you illiterate or just stupid

>>11940431
>chrono cross was, from day 1, considered a shit game with a good sound track

94 metacritic the best meta of PS1 Square with FF9

Seems like the critics don't agree

>>11939720 (OP)
>Chrono Contrarian

>>11940850
>Shitshine has a 92, therefore nobody considers it a shit Mario game
(You)

>>11940549
Yeah sounds exactly like Xenoblade 3

Cross is a shit game just for the fact they killed the god-tier trigger trio and didn't even had the balls to follow it through in the end.
>jk they're alive, p-please buy cross 2 when it comes out player-san

>>11939747
>It was never once broadly considered a masterpiece.

It got 10 out of 10 from GameSpot and won game of the year. 9.7 out of 10 from IGN and 94 average on Metacritic, and appeared on many best PSX games lists. I didn't start seeing the hate train on this game until much later after release.

>>11940932
For the standard of 3D Mario 92 is quite bad actually

>>11940956
I only see it here on 4chan. I just assumed it was a couple of schizos like it always is with anonymous imageboards.

>>11940956
It's insane how well received the game was at the time, considering it's a huge piece of shit. I guess people just wanted it to be good and lied to themselves.

>all these awful takes

cross was considered great upon release except for a seething contingent of trigger tards who didnt like that it wasnt the same game. they have since taken over the narrative. simple fact is that cross has amazing setting, visuals, music and set pieces which is 80% of what actually matters for making a good jrpg. the gameplay and story is flawed but good luck finding a jrpg with perfect gameplay and plot. Youd have to be an absolutely soulless retard (aka most of this board) not to enjoy something that looks and sounds as good as chrono cross, literally the best on the entire console. yes the plot was executed poorly but its hardly game breaking.
>muh too many characters
who cares when you have so many kino options like glenn, pip, orlha, janice, marcy, harle. chrono cross was always a flawed but amazing game, virgin rage on the internet doesnt change that.

>>11941046
Presentation carries it hard, and 90s Square was golden and could do no wrong in the eyes of the public.

>>11941053
I never thought the game looked very good. The backgrounds and character designs are ugly.

>>11941053
>marcy
Of course the cross fanboy is a pedo.

I'm getting real fucking tired of people rehashing threads from /v/

>>11941169
Almost every second post is rehash. The reason you don't see it is because v actually bans low effort shit like this quickly.

>>11940850
>critics
lol

lmao

I have a soft spot for chrono cross because i like the 90's era evangelion influenced jrpgs.
The absolute retardation of the plot makes it unique.

>>11939726
Chrono Trigger's combat was getting somewhere with moving enemies, area effect attacks and combined attackd. Chrono Cross dumped it and took the "action points" mechanic from tabletop games, bolted it on to the bog-standard wizardry combat, and threw in a color matching minigame for magic. Typical jarpig example of throwing shit in to make the game different without caring if it's actually fun, treating the combat like padding between story segments.

>>11941354
The fun part is that magic is completely useless in Chrono Cross.

>>11941354
>and threw in a color matching minigame for magic.
I have no idea how do you center the game around color and yet have no real way of mixing said colors to create new elements? It is the basis of color fuck fuck sake.

>>11941420
Giving psychical attacks extra damage against the opposing color was peak retardation and made the magic system even more obsolete.

>>11939720 (OP)
I always found it to be lacking compared to Chrono Trigger because its practically a completely different story with different characters. A large appeal of JRPGs being if you enjoy the characters or not. CT characters were too good so they overshadowed the cast of CC. Most characters in CC felt way too 1 dimensional and pointless even. Game would have been far better off had it concentrated on fewer characters with much stronger character to each of them.

The day I saw that Chrono Cross was one of the Japanese "best games OF ALL TIME", and not just on a single list no, on many; was the day I realized how the average Japanese player was always a casual. Since then I've only found more proof of that.

>>11939720 (OP)
It's still a masterpiece

idc if its """just""" the presentation that makes it good, the music alone makes it an immensely cozy playthrough. how the FUCK are you gonna hit the world map, hear this shit and not think "oh fuck this game is amazing".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L6p1sAEehM

>>11939991
Are you retarded? lmao

>>11939720 (OP)
It was never considered one. If anything, the seething about it had only started to cool down a few years ago.

>>11941927
>t. wasnt born when chrono cross came out

>>11941420
The techs were a major thing that made me dislike the game. That and Serge looking like a retard.

>>11939720 (OP)
I love this game a lot but I can totally understand why people would be disappointed by it

>>11941927
>It was never considered one.
It was, but it was always divisive. A segment of Trigger fans hated on it, and even a lot of people who loved it would often say "it's a great game but poor sequel." But many people did consider it a masterpiece and still do. The game got excellent reviews when new (both from professional critics and player reviews) and was very popular on gaming sites. Many people considered it an all-time great RPG.

>>11941654
They're less demented, yeah.

the only place where people will shit talk this (9/10) game are incel magnets like this website.

>>11941654
It's not Japanese, it's Japanese console only players. Look how dumb any console only player is from any country

>>11939720 (OP)
I have never met anyone who didn’t consider it a masterpiece.

>>11939720 (OP)
when chrono trigger fans realized that the art wasn't designed by Akira Toriyama which is basically the only thing chrono trigger has over this game. chrono trigger fans will shit all over this game for not being the same game as chrono trigger and ignore just how mediocre and overrated their favorite jrpg really is.

>>11943380
>They don't like the thing I like? INCEL! INCEL!

I think it's the only game I ever pre-ordered to get the special clock, still have it to this day. I played CT in the summer of '98 so my hype and anticipation was through the roof and it met or exceeded all of them. My only complaint was having to play as Lynx, it felt forced and I didn't like his character design. Everything else about it is good to great, especially the battle system and music.

>>11943596
Why's Amarant shooting down Cloud?

>>11940997
Where's the unanimous hate for the 3D world then?

>>11939720 (OP)
When it was released.

>>11939720 (OP)
never played it, what is the fuss all about?

>>11939726
It's a JRPG what do you fucking think?

>>11941053
And it has stuff like fast-forward on NG+ as well as the ability to use any 3 party members other than Serge. This doesn't have hardcore gameplay but there's a decent amount of secrets and optional stuff to play through it at least 3 times, which is leisurely because of its features.

>>11941420
Not useless just redundant for damage, although that is still useful early and always useful for hitting multiple enemies. You use a spell like Eagle Eye throughout the game.

It stopped being a masterpiece about 3/4 of the way through, around Chronopolis, when it became clear the story was awful and overly ambitious and they didn't have enough time to finish the game properly so they rushed and crammed it all in there.

>>11948934
Also true. We're in the Reptite city, but there are no Reptite NPCs? And there essentially is no final dungeon or final boss in this game. Dinopolis and the Time Devourer are there in name but they possess no challenge or anything special in terms of gameplay.

Very quickly, within a couple years as vesselswines went from the zenith of the console industry to a quasi-embarrassment.

Cross was the crescendo for Square in the west; superlative presentation, novel for jrpg battle system, challenging yet accessible plot. It was reviewer catnip and they were more than happy gush over it as a thank you to Square for carrying the best console of that generation over the top. The next year Square released The Spirits Within and biker bar Meg Ryan corridor runner. They never recovered and it retroactively poisoned the reputation of their 5th gen titles.

During the reevaluation/nostalgia period 15-20 years later it became apparent that Cross wouldn't even crack the top 5 JRPGs of the generation let alone be one of the goats.

It never quit being considered one.

fisherman too strong

>>11939720 (OP)
>When did it stop being considered a masterpiece?
Sorry, you're misinformed. It didn't. If anything, its glory is growing with each passing day, as people discover it untainted by the seethe of Trigger fanboys mad it wasn't Trigger 1.00000001b

CC is one of the few jrpgs that holds up even if you remove all the combat.
You can play it as a nice visual novel, though the story shits the bed later on.
7/10

>>11951209
>CC is a great game if you don't play it

>>11941053
>Youd have to be an absolutely soulless retard (aka most of this board) not to enjoy something that looks and sounds as good as chrono cross
yup, ultra based

I feel like it has a better reputation now than it did when it came out.

>>11950648
Finally a reason to post this

>>11940036
>it's needlessly complicated
Where did this meme come from? Basic attacks have a percentage to hit. The lower the hit chance, the higher damage you'll do. Accumulating hits will let you use a single consumable magic item (element) per turn. It's pretty simple compared to a lot of JRPG battle systems.

>>11952150
>Where did this meme come from? Basic attacks have a percentage to hit. The lower the hit chance, the higher damage you'll do. Accumulating hits will let you use a single consumable magic item (element) per turn.
Or you can just press the attack button.