Thread 11945972

This shit didn't sell well because it had a DVD player. It sold well because it was backwards compatible with the original Playstation. Anyone claiming otherwise is a retard.

>>11945972 (OP)
What you mean is, it sold well because it's a PlayStation, too!

>>11945972 (OP)
Did anyone actually keep their PS2 standing up? Obviously you could but I don't know anyone that did it.

>>11945972 (OP)
it sold well because it had a dvd player, was backwards compatible with the original playstation and was a great system on it's own with an extensive library of good games. the fact that you imply that only one of those is true and not the rest makes you the retard.

It was everything. The PS2 was a really awesome console that ended up having probably the best lineup of games in any console's history.

>>11945972 (OP)
it was both
I didnt have a PSX nor any games for it but I still got a PS2 within a month of launch because it was a good price for a DVD player plus game console

It sold well, because, it was based. People back then were always asking “which console can I buy that is the most based” so naturally they gravitated to the PSX2, which was the most naturally obvious choice for a based and redpilled console.

>>11945972 (OP)
the kids don't understand how big of a deal the DVD player was. another nice benefit of the back compat is that the CD-ROM drive in PS2 is wayyyyy fuckin faster than any of the ones in PS1 models, especially the early ones.

>>11945972 (OP)
Is it really not a possibility in your mind that both of those things made it sell well?

>>11945972 (OP)
it’sobvious why it sold well when you look at its competition
>dogshit controller with the worst D-pad known to mankind that’s literally only good for smelee
>no bully
>no twistanity
>no budokai tenkaichi
>wrath of cortex capped at 30fps
>no silent hill
>no dmc
>no gta
>only has a dogshit remake of mgs1 that looks worse than mgs2 despite coming out after it
>worst 3D Mario
>most forgotten Mario kart
>paper Mario thousand year door has the first tranny in gaming
>half the first party games released are copy and pasted party game shovelware
>no burnout 3
>can't play n64 games like the ps2 can play ps1 games
>have to rebuy RE2 and trAnimal Crossing
>no manhunt
>no mortal kombat shaolin monks
>component cables only sold through select online retailers
>no ssx 1 or timesplitters 1
>ssx tricky and 3 are missing a quarter of the grabs because the dogshit controller is lacking 4 top buttons. just an example of the hundreds of games that had their control scheme either gutted or neutered because of the horrible controller
>can't play dvds or cds like ps2 and xbox
>ps2 and Xbox can play hundreds of games online; shitcube can only play one paid MMO and 3 shitty racing games through a tunneling service
>no final fantasy
>draconian DRM through little gay discs and no HDD slot
cubies try to obfuscate the fact that the gamecube was which a barebones piece of shit by obsessing over its superior competitor’s dvd player

>>11946056
i'm not gonna bother refuting every one of the things you got wrong here but
>most forgotten Mario kart
every tendie I know says derbledish is their favorite. I dont fucking get why, but they do
>paper Mario thousand year door has the first tranny in gaming
nobody gave a fuck about or even mentioned this until the remastered came out, please shut up about this chanbrained /pol/tarded shit
>have to rebuy RE2 and trAnimal Crossing
Animal Crossing debuted in the west on the GameCube, zoomie, nobody was "rebuying" anything
>no
these were all just to pad out the list huh

>>11946056
>console decades later
>transphobia just cuz and still gets it wrong somehow
>overlooking FFCC
>probably didn't have friends to play the party games

lol. lmao even

It is the quintessential thirdie console.

>>11945972 (OP)
>It didn't sell well because of (reason it sold well)
>it sold well because of (different reason it sold well)
>Anyone claiming otherwise is a retard.
I think OP might be the retarded one here. Also. this might blow his mind but in addition to selling well because it was a DVD player and PS1, it also sold well because it played PS2 games.

>>11945982
I did because I thought I was a cool feature. Also the bottom shelf of the TV stand already had a cable box and a vcr stacked on it but I was able to slip the ps2 in to the left of them standing up. Never had that gay ass stand though, probably wouldn't have fit anyways. I think they wanted like $25 for the official stand, never even saw one irl outside of a store.

>>11946082
>tranny
>>11946076
>says game don't matter
these are the kind of people defending the slopcube. it's just a cult of discord troons that don't even play games and every post they make proves it

>>11946085
OP is shitposting for replies. His actual velvets are irrelevant and probably are similar to any normal person that's familiar with the ps2. The next thread will be, "retards think the ps2 sold well because it could play ps1 games but really it was because it could play grand theft auto"

>>11946104
>velvets
Beliefs. I'm a phone posting retard.

>>11945972 (OP)
>it has to be one thing or the other
Midwit

>>11945982
For scratched PS1 games that froze on loading screens, especially for FMV, sometimes putting it on its side would let you pass that area. I dunno why.

>>11946056
>dogshit controller with the worst D-pad known to mankind that’s literally only good for smelee
The controller was alright. I don't like the C stick but the D-pad is definitely not the worst I have ever seen. It might not seem like much but remember, there is the 360, DS, vita, the playstation dpads until 3 and the n64 all contending with it. The worst thing I can say about it is not the D-pad itself but it's awkward placement.
>no twistanity
the worst crash game by far
>no budokai tenkaichi
budokai 2 is better
>wrath of cortex capped at 30fps
yeah that kind of sucks
>no silent hill
the only silent hill game I have played is 3 but while I do like it, it certainly is no deal breaker for me for not being on the system.
>no dmc
dmc only got good at 3 and even that wasn't that good imo
>only has a dogshit remake of mgs1 that looks worse than mgs2 despite coming out after it
I will die on the hill that twin snakes is better than MGS1 and it really isn't that much different graphically compared to MGS2. You really have to nitpick here.
>worst 3D Mario
3d land and 3d world are the worst by far. Sunshine is kino
>paper Mario thousand year door has the first tranny in gaming
who gives a fuck outside of the random sjws and /pol/tard tourists like you who don't even play videogames?
>half the first party games released are copy and pasted party game shovelware
you can say this about every console which has shovelware games.
>no burnout 3
irrelevant
>can't play n64 games like the ps2 can play ps1 games
the only way that would be possible would be with an accessory that frankly no one would use and nintendo would probably overprice.
>have to rebuy RE2 and trAnimal Crossing
no one is forcing you to buy a remake dumbass and Animal Crossing came on the gamecube first. Also nice wordplay you obsessed fuck.
>muh manhunt
>muh mortal kombat shaolin monks
>muh gta
>muh bully
>muh mmo
all slop
>timesplitters
finally a game I would want for gamecube.

>>11946149
>Animal Crossing came on the gamecube first.
Animal Crossing came out on the n64 first, zoom zoom

>>11946157
sure if you are japanese. it also got released internationally though on the gamecube which is where nearly everyone played it.

>>11946149
>The controller was alright
nah, you know its shit when the you you go on to complain about it
>the worst crash game by far
nah jankino and mogs all shitcube platformers all day
>budokai 2 is better
yeah on ps2 where its not gimped in the framerate and you're not forced to use a dogshit dpad lol. tenkaichi is still better, you just have to play the scraps because the shitcube flopped
>yeah that kind of sucks
gamecube in a nutshell
>dmc only got good at 3 and even that wasn't that good imo
sour grapes. even dmc2 is better than any shitcube action game
>I will die on the hill that twin snakes is better than MGS1
then die on that hill faggot. shouldn't even bother reading the rest of this shitty post
>who gives a fuck outside of the random sjws and /pol/tard tourists like you who don't even play videogames?
it's just a strong correlation between shitcube, shitcube shovelware, and the shitcube fans being 95% lgbt
>you can say this about every console which has shovelware games.
nah the shitcube specifically has over 70% of its first party games made up of minigame compilations
>the only way that would be possible would be with an accessory that frankly no one would use and nintendo would probably overprice.
wow sounds like the shitcube is a lazy barebones piece of shit
>no one is forcing you to buy a remake dumbass
shitcube did when it was a lazy barebones piece of shit
>Animal Crossing came on the gamecube first
hahah zoomer faggot
>all slop
more cubie sour graps. any one of those games mogs anything on the shitcube
>finally a game I would want for gamecube.
yeah too bad the timesplitters games on shitcube had their online gutted because the shitcube was a barebones piece of shit
>>11946149
>>11946082
thanks for seething tranny
make sure to keep your asshurtness in a single post next time you defend the gayfaggotniggerprolapsedanusshitskinpozzedhiv+cube lmfao, cubie

>>11946056
>no timesplitters 1
literally who cares

>>11946323
people that enjoy games and not shovelware minigame compilations, cubie

>>11946082
Based, 6th gen console waring is retarded anyway

>>11946103
>A
fuck whatever retard threw in gamecube in a ps2 thread
>B
It's a retarded spite thread so you get what you give
>C
This isn't /pol/ faggot so keep you're tranny obsession next door

>>11945972 (OP)
Ps2
>dvd player
>ps1 games
Gamecube
>4 controller ports

>>11945972 (OP)
it sold well because of piracy anyone saying otherwise is gay

>>11946056
Facts
Nintedrone babies replying just proves your point

It sold well because of memes, unironically.
That's the secret of every successful console. They work out the marketing angle, and everything else flows from there.
You can point to a dozen problems with the PS2. It had two controller ports in a post-N64, Post Dreamcast world. It was comparatively a worse piece of hardware than a lot of the competition. It had games like Ico as early selling points, when Ico is lame and boring.
None of that mattered, because it was the PS2.

>>11946018
Truly the greatest gaming console ever!

>>11946056
Based and correct. The shitcube was garbage.

>>11946584
Only 3rd worlders think this. It has the 2nd highest attach rate at 9.81 games per console. Only the PS4 had a higher attach rate. It sold well because people wanted to buy the games and they did.

>>11945972 (OP)
It wasn’t just a DVD player, it was the cheapest DVD player for a while. Even non gamers were buying it. By the time standalone players were cheaper, it had a crazy strong library to back itself up.

>>11946097
>Never had that gay ass stand though
You didn't need it, the PS2 was thicker on the bottom than a slim PS3 and that thing stood just fine. It's just support in case something bumps into it

>>11945972 (OP)
Kiddo, not everyone played home console video games during Y2K.
But, yes, EVERYONE watched DVDs and rented/owned a library of their movies/tv shows.

GUESS which function of the Playstation 2 most people were enticed by.
>P.S. You're an idiot

>>11946845
Retard.

>>11946056
Gamecube had really great first party, probably overall Nintendo's best, but it was only ever a supplemental console due to weak third party.

Xbox was just a Halo machine

>>11945972 (OP)
It sold well because games

>>11945972 (OP)
>Hey, bro! Let's throw a party! You bring the PS2, the Madden, and I'll bring the Backdoor Sluts 9!
>c-couldn't we just party and play disgaea or kingdom hearts?

You would never have survived Millennial High School, OP.

>>11946056
>predictable fanboy seethe at a superior console with better party games

lmao, right on schedule.

>>11946157
Nobody cares, you pedantic third-world shit.

>>11946547
>Gamecube
>4 controller ports

That's four people playing Mario Party or Smash Bros in the same room. Can't play God of War or Kingdom Hearts with four people in the same room.

>>11947165
And a DOA machine. And a 4player local game machine when the Cube wasn't cutting it.

>>11947157
I'm sorry but do you not see this amazing gameplay?

>>11947324
>butturt cubie asshurt his faggy fischer price hrtbox and shovelware minigame compilations got btfo for the ‘nth time
every time

btw here’s your party games bro, which nappy-headed jewfro tranny pedophile are you?

>>11947561
lol these are the “people” obsessing over the ChadStation2’s DVD playback in 2025? Grim.

>>11945972 (OP)
You never met a normie in 2003, huh?

>>11947561
Imagine the smell

>>11947561
>>11947592

Back compat is a huge deal for me personally
Only reason I bought an Xbox one is so I can play *most* of my Xbox titles while I take 13 months to fully recap and mod my og Xbox

>>11945982
I didn't when it was current gen, but now I do because it's convenient for space plus I don't use the disc tray anymore.

>>11947561
i dont even consider cubies human

>>11945972 (OP)
You're 12 years old zoomie. You wouldnt fucking know retard faggot. Go protest something you dont understand like your retarded statements.

>>11945982
I did because I thought it looked cooler that way, but I eventually ended up putting it on its side for space reasons.

>>11945972 (OP)
That doesn't even make sense. Backwards compatibility was a bonus, sure, but it wasn't going to be the main selling point for anyone.

>>11948314
yes it was, zoomie. it meant you could trade in or sell your old Playstation to defray the cost of the new console and still be able to play all your old games, or for households like mine that didn't have a Playstation, it meant you had a built in launch library of hundreds of titles.
Backwards compatibility was a HUGE selling point back then, which you would know if you had been there.

>>11948347
You didn't read the reply

>>11945998
this

It's the best console ever, the perfect balance between the poor playability of previous consoles and the best graphics of posthumous consoles, it remained in production until 2012 so the factor DVD player doesn't hold up, it sold a lot because it was perfection, I still use it and continue to buy games, the second-hand market is very well stocked.

>>11945972 (OP)
2001 best selling games, pic related.

>>11948039
See that was the reason I never did it, because I replaced the top of mine to put in a toploader, and there's not a lot keeping the disk in place apparently so keeping the machine on its side just feels like a bad idea.
Now that we live in an era when you can run PS2 games off of an internal HDD, that's not really an issue.

>>11946056
>being this assmad over a $100 console designed for children
lmfao nigga grow the fuck up.

>>11948074
Okay let's actually look at the facts and see just how plausible the whole "DVD player carried the PS2" myth.
>DVD player release
The DVD player was first commercially available in 1996 in Japan and 1997 in the US. Meaning the player was available to consumers for 3 years prior to the PS2's launch. This means the DVD player had over 3 years to build an install base that would not purchase a PS2 for it's player. Speaking of...
>DVD install base
Prior to the PS2's launch about 14 million DVD players had already been sold World Wide. Meaning 14 million households were not purchasing a PS2 solely for it's player
>DVD player price
Internet sources will state the average price of a DVD player was $600 in 2000 during the release of the PS2. This would appear to be a major reason to purchase a PS2 for a launch price of $300. That is until you realize the $600 dollar figure includes $1200 models that recorded video to DVDs, models that did not make up the bulk of player purchases. The Average non-recording models were actually around $180 by the year 2000 which was substantially less than the price of the PS2.
>DVD player sales following the PS2 launch
In the year 2001 13 million DVD players were sold. A 49% increase from the prior year. These sales do not include PS2 sales. By comparison the PS2 sold 9 million units in 2001, 4 million and less units than the DVD player. If the concept that the DVD player of the PS2 was the main contributing factor to its success then the DVD player should have saw a steep dropoff in sales in comparison but this is not the case.

So in terms of plausibility the DVD being the main selling factor for the PS2 does not hold water when looking at the raw numbers.

tl:dr the dvd player on the PS2 was not what sold the system.

What a stupid fucking thread

>>11947561
I can SMELL that photo.

>>11945972 (OP)
It sold well because it has a DVD player
It sold well because it was backwards compatible with PS1
It sold well because it had an amazing library
It sold well because of puppet ps1 fanboys who refused to touch anything other than a playstation
All of those are true

>>11951173
>wasnt born or was a baby when PS2 came out
You're fucking stupid. Massive amounts of late teens and young adults solely bought the PS2 just because it had a DVD player.

The Matrix released on DVD in Sep of 99 and people were buying the PS2 just to watch that movie for a year or 2 after

>>11951439
>Provided stats and figures
>Ignores
>Uses anecdotes that are not accurate to real life
>Pretending they remember a time they were shitting in diapers
Sure thing anon. By the way the matrix released nearly two years before the PS2.

>>11946056
>paper Mario thousand year door has the first tranny in gaming
Hahahahahaha nobody tell him and I don't mean Birdo or Poison

The ps2 simply had everything going for it
Aside from it's ugly 448i resolution

>>11946056
All the seething gaycube faggots crying over this post in a PS2 thread just prove it right

>>11945972 (OP)
DVD sales only started rocketing in 2001 after the PS2 came out. It was the first DVD player for millions of people.

It absolutely sold well because it had a DVD player.

>>11946845
Come back after you've rewind a VHS tape.

>>11951173
>So in terms of plausibility the DVD being the main selling factor for the PS2 does not hold water when looking at the raw numbers.

By your own numbers there were 14+13 = 27 million DVD players and 9 million PS2s by 2001, which means 25% of all DVD players in 2001 were PS2s, and 40% of all DVD players sold in 2001 were PS2s.

40% is a really fucking substantial number. It means the PS2 almost doubled DVD player sales in 2001.
That's beside the point that if you ask anyone who got a PS2 in 2001, they'll tell you that it was their first DVD player.

>tl:dr the dvd player on the PS2 was not what sold the system.
Your own numbers prove that it was.

>>11951903
I used it as a DVD player exclusively for a time (when I only had one game(oni) and no memory card).

>>11946056
I agree, as a kid I always perceived it as the runt. It had some cool exclusives but PS2 just had a more impressive library. AND no DVD player.

>>11951439
I read that about matrix somewhere but I played time crisis project titan on teh 2 and there wuz teh tekkon ova film bundled with mag on vcd

>>11945998
tpbp

what are some essential play station 1/2 games?

>>11949578
hamster bros...

>>11945972 (OP)
It's both. Also you're retarded for giving a shit.

>>11945972 (OP)
I actually bought a DVD player BECAUSE of the PS2. Wasn't that interested in DVD, not a big movie guy, but since I had just bought a PS2 figured I might as well rent some movies.
I soon learned the PS2 was not a very good DVD player. Couldn't output RGB so if you used RGB scart you had to manually set the video output back to composite to play a DVD then back to RGB to play games in non-sucko vision.
Controlling discs with a gamepad was alright I suppose, just less than fantastic. Fast search was rather slow, same for disc access times.
Utterly awful at dealing with discs with scratches. The damn thing had to be pristine. Sure, that was part of Sony's fucking terrible DVD drives at the time which they eventually fixed, but by the time that happened DVD players were practically given away for free with purchase of anything.
So instead I bought a Toshiba standalone unit with progressive output. Much much better.

>Yeah, honey! It's xmas 2000! We want the latest movies on dvd, not vhs! Let's purchase a video game for $300 instead of a standalone DVD Player for $100
Zoomers and /v/ tourists like are the worst.

Early 00s parents were too stubborn and reluctant with video games.
Just the idea of using a video game (a toy) and a wired video game controller instead of a remote controller, to watch movies, is just a movie session vibe breaker.
Grow up. Your Xbox, GameCube, and Dreamcast failed because they're all undesirable. UNDESIRABLE
The Playstation was every kid's and teen's dream back then. Too bad $300 was a bit steep for the average parent, so PS2 sales only exploded after the first price cut to $200.

>>11945972 (OP)
it was the combo of the whole package. why do people keep trying to single one thing out?

>>11953376
You have to play the Metal Gear Solid series. Legally obligated to.

>>11945972 (OP)
>sell well because it had a DVD player. It sold well because it was backwards compatible with the original Playstation
both actually

>>11953376
>what are some essential play station 1/2 games?

For the PS1
tombraider 1/2/3
crash bandicoot
spyro the dragon
metal gear solid
final fantasy 7
tekken 3
resident evil 1/2/3
silent hill
wipeout
Medal of honour
grand turismo 1/2
rage racer
medieval
time crisis/die hard. point blank =light gun
pandemonium
gex enter the gecco
jurassic park lost world
croc: legend of the gobbos
worms
gpolice
colony wars
with playstation mouse
warcraft
diablo
command and conquer
A lot of people love stuff like the ps1 harry potter, army men games etc but is that nostalgia? Also games with a werd notiority like STar wars masters of Terris Kasi.

Other great less well known games, duke nukem, syndicate wars, cardinal syn, brahma force,

These asre probably the must play PS1 games
1)SIlent Hill
2)Resident evil 2
3)Crash Bandicoot
4)Metal Gear Solid
5)Spyro the dragon
6)Medal of honour (the game that started modern war FPS)
7)Wipeout
etc

>>11953376
For the PS2

Shadow of the colossos
Ico
God of War
Silent Hill 2/3
Resident evil 4
Killzone
Black
Mace Griffin
Grad Turismo 3 A Spec and 4
Kingdom hearts
Metal Gear solid 2/3
Spartan Total Warrior
The Conflict series
Ace combat
devil may cry
crash bandicoot: the wrath of cortex
guitar hero
kill all humans
etc
There are a bunch of early CODs worth looking at


What kind of games are you into?

>>11947348
>Can't play God of War or Kingdom Hearts with four people in the same room.
Certified ignoramus.

>>11951173
>Internet sources will state the average price of a DVD player was $600 in 2000 during the release of the PS2. This would appear to be a major reason to purchase a PS2 for a launch price of $300. That is until you realize the $600 dollar figure includes $1200 models that recorded video to DVDs, models that did not make up the bulk of player purchases. The Average non-recording models were actually around $180 by the year 2000 which was substantially less than the price of the PS2.
>$180 by the year 2000

This is average price claimed is wrong and whenever punched into a search engine, the AI is referencing user content sources that are garbage.

DVD players from non-chinese gray market garbage (Apex) in North America were still $200 minimum for something like an RCA branded one. Sonys were usually upscale for their entry and was still $250. And these were dirt ass basic single disc units for their time. They only had stereo out, some didn't even have a digital audio out. Entry ones didn't even have s-video, only component. Some didn't even have a remote and had all the navigation on the faceplate. It would play just fine, so its not like you gave up much, but if you wanted:

>A remote
>digital out (optical or coax)
>5.1 out
>5 disc changer (so you could replace your cd player with it)
>s-video out
>component out
>progressive compatible component out

You were paying over $350 to get even one or 2 of these features. $600 was high by that time (that was more PS1 era pricing), but not unheard of.


>sold all of them back in the day in retail from ps1 thru mid ps2 life
>yes this is user content sourced, but consider it a refutation

>>11945982
Did it for space reasons for my CRT set-up. Recently thought I fucked up something because my disc drive stopped working, but it just randomly died for some reason. No clue but replaced it and works fine now.

PSone I bought from good will and had the CD drive busted. replaced that and works like a charm. Outside of an issue with the power jack. Only works at certain angles so I think I have to resolder some pieces back there when it does eventually god out.

I have heard from some people the disc drive ribbon cable might get caught in the reader and break but I dunno how true that is or possible given they have adhesives. So it might just eventually wear out and snap the cable.

>>11953997
Crazy how many people were brainwashing into believing that a DVD player cost $300, $400 even $500 in the early 2000. It was easy to find one for $100. even cheaper on the second hand market. The cheaper ones weren't as reliable as Panasonic or sony, but they did the job. by 2002 a new one already cost $60

>>11946056
Gigabased

>>11951853
That is all a standard def TV can display. Almost nobody had progressive capable displays.

>>11954731
Enthusiasts are the most important group to cater to.