Thread 11946384

>what if we made the absolute best all-encompassing emulator front-end for every single platform imaginable

>and then bury beneath a fucking retarded, cryptic, labyrinthine, backwards logic GUI

>>11946384 (OP)
>what if we made this thread again instead of learning how it worked
what if it didn't get 500 replies this time and mods just deleted it? what then huh?

>>11946386
Fix your shitty GUI, Hans.

>labyrinthine
I like that use of vocabulary, might steal that one.
Also, I remember when this place used to have more moderation and you would catch a 3-day just for saying 'retroshart'.
What systems are best ran through RA instead of stand-alones these days? I haven't tried it in years.

>>11946384 (OP)
>Mom I made the thread again

>>11946390
It's a comically bad UI, but that anon is right about how beaten to death this topic is around here. It's a bad UI, dudes with bad taste in UIs have adapted to it and will stupidly defend it, nobody will fix it, end of story.

We need a front-end for that front-end.

>>11946438
>nobody will fix it
Napalm would.

>>11946384 (OP)
It's not the best UI, but it's not the worst either. I still like it better than ES-DE. At least Ozone has mouse support.
>>11946439
In theory, someone could just whip up a better libretro frontend and skip RA itself entirely, no?

>>11946384 (OP)
imagine being this fucking retarded you cant figure out a simple program. I remember struggling with the RA UI for like 2 or 3 fucking days when i first started using it, then everything made sense and was 100x better than using 12 different programs. you guys are just telling on yourself admitting how fucking tech illiterate you are with these constant seethe threads.

>>11946384 (OP)
>zoomer cant use any program that wasnt optimized for touch screen toddlers and senior citizens

lol

>>11946516
>>11946518
You aren't impressive because you decided to put up with batshit retarded bad UI, nor does it make you tech literate. I use Amiga emulators more complicated than this mess. The difference is everything is put together like a spastic made it.

>>11946384 (OP)
They still haven't done the first part

once you get used to RA you realize the """convoluted""" menus are like that for a reason and having separate settings for cores, games and global actually makes a lot of sense. compared to something like dolphin, where I cant even fucking have a seperate controller remap for each game, and have to change it every single time. or all the emulators with super shitty shader settings compared to RA (all of them). RA has the BEST UI if youre not a total brainlet like OP and make an effort to learn it for more than 5 minutes.

>>11946646
I feel your pain with the Dolphin controller settings. Besides that it has to be one of the best and most reliable emulators. Only issue I have now is that if I switch between USB and Blutooth too many times at once (fucking around with cables or whatever) it can crash.

>>11946439
We need a front end for your mom's front end.

>>11946470
> In theory, someone could just whip up a better libretro frontend and skip RA itself entirely, no?
Yeah, but I doubt anyone would want to do it - they will just be instantly branded as ‘another Retroarch’.

>>11946384 (OP)
>SHITROarch
hot garbage
they are currently competing with MAME to see who can make the worst Ui of all time


one good thing DID come from the shitware though, i now only play\collect real hardware instead of pretending to play the games on my shitbox pc

>>11946384 (OP)
>great software
>awful interface
This is the open source ideal. If you don't like it then go pay for corpo shit.

>>11946384 (OP)
>>11946390
>>11946438
>>11946646
i dont get it... whats bad or convoluted about the UI?

>>11946908
It was designed around using a controller so it feels worse for PC users with a mouse and keyboard. The menus are extensive which controllers are worse at navigating. And having multiple layers of menus that aren't always available until launching a game makes things unnecessarily complicated.

It basically just needs a proper mouse/keyboard GUI where everything can be navigated through right away.

>>11946384 (OP)
yeah...i'm kinda with >>11946438 you just have to give up and start using it. it's not going to change anytime soon. it's not that bad once you get used to it. my bigger problem with it (and a more irredeemable one) is that the faggot thing doesn't save controller mappings
>have 8bitdo SN30 (SNES clone controller)
>gets mapped as "Xbox 360 Controller" ok fine whatever, i'll change the mappings since for some reason up is down and down is up
>hit Save Controller Profile, says it's saved, all good
>time passes, i swap out controllers for 8bitdo's M30 (Saturn clone controller)
>gets recognized as "8BitDo M30", mappings are fucked up for this too
>ok fine remap and save
>want to play different games, swap back to SN30, THE MAPPINGS I SAVED DIDN'T SAVE
>save again, switch back to M30, MAPPINGS ALSO DIDN'T SAVE THERE
>spend hours searching for a solution, it looks like it's just a feature at this point

also, just discovered this faggotry this week
>start playing GBA games, use SN30
>do not like using the shitty default nintendo B/A mapping, want to make controller B button the new A, controller Y button the new B
>save core-specific mapping for that
>now for some reason that mapping is now used in the entire RA UI instead of JUST THE FUCKING CORE THAT I WANTED THE MAPPING CHANGED FOR

>Weekly RA screeching thread
Works for me. I think it just filters low and midwits. It's an emulator designed for use with a gamepad.

>>11947010
>you just have to give up and start using it
or i could stick with my standalones. i haven't seen any real reason to switch from them to retroarch.

>>11946384 (OP)
Most of the UI issues are resolved by having two checkboxes:
core override
show advanced

>>11947040
How do you set it up to work well with systems that *really* don't have square pixels. Things like the CPS (384×224).
I'm running RA on a Wii U so unless I have Integer Scaling turned ON any shader I use will look like complete shit because my system is to weak to make it look good (lots of moire etc when not using integer scaling).

Is there a way to have the Integer Scaling be an exception for some systems?

>>11946384 (OP)
Retroarch, and emulation in general, is BEYOND overrated and should only be done in situations where playing on OG hardware is either impossible or impractical.

Real quick important message for anybody coming in here to say the UI is fine: You’re wrong. The UI blows ass. Ok continue being wrong idiots.

Why do even need that stuff. Just use normal emulators, it's not like there are that many of them.

>>11947113
It sucks but it's a necessary pleb filter.

>>11947003
PC users can just edit the config file.

>>11946416
-SNES: because shaders and the cores are accurate enough.
GBA: mGBA because the standalone will have either horrible audio or video stutter (on my machine). also because shaders on -GBA games look nice because its basically a handheld SNES. Or even if you think CRT/NTSC shaders on GBA are retarded, it still has better color correction shaders)
I would use NanoBoyAdvance because its more accurate but i want shaders with my GBA games personally.
-Sega Megadrive/Genesis: Genesis Plus GX. Although Ares is good too and also has shaders.
- Anything that has a libretro core that is accurate enough and you want shaders and convenience

>>11947161
Thanks my man. Just as a side note for anyone interested, I have used GBA emu on 3DS and never any problems but haven't played that many games.

>>11946384 (OP)
How do I get my wiimote to work with this?

>>11947217
https://youtu.be/CHdXogge87I

>>11947110
>situations where playing on OG hardware is either impossible or impractical
So... always?

>>11947010
make named controller profiles

>>11947103
Have you tried playing with the Integer Scale Axis setting? You might not get the perfect exact aspect ratio but maybe you'll be able to get something that looks much better than square pixels
When you set it to Y+X it will integer scale both axes separately to try to get as close to the correct aspect ratio as possible, but still only scaling in integers
For example on my 1440p display Y+X scales Street Fighter II x5 horizontally but x6 vertically. It's not the exact intended aspect ratio but it's way better than square pixels for this game

>>11947103
>>11947323
Also ignore the bilinear filtering on in the screenshot, I must have turned it on by mistake when alt+tabbing and shit. Keep that shit off

>>11946384 (OP)
>>and then bury beneath a fucking retarded, cryptic, labyrinthine, backwards logic GUI
simply give me the ability to favorite any sub directory like shaders, controller setups and cheats to the main menu and I'm good.
also let me favorite specific shaders and bind specific shaders & controller configurations to specific cores. which admittedly it may already let me do, but fuck if I know how to do it.

I use OpenEmu. Anyone else?

>>11947379
>bind specific shaders & controller configurations to specific cores
Both in the Quick Menu:
Controls>Manage Remap Files>Save Core Remap File
Shaders>Save Preset>Save Core Preset

I use launchbox to launch retroarch games. It's funny with some cores like MAME because I'm going through 3 different interfaces depending on the setting I wanna change but now I'm already used to it.

>>11947390
>mac only
no i'm straight

>>11946384 (OP)
I mean you can launch libretro cores via command line so...

>>11947113
I've gotten used to it, but you're right; it's not a good UI. If it were, people wouldn't routinely complain about it.
>>11947003
Nailed it.
>>11947545
So the "frontend for a frontend" idea has some merit then?

It's been years since I last used RetroArch, didn't it have some kind of built-in alternative UI that looked like a regular emulator?

the only reason I use RA is for the shaders, standalone emulators are always superior otherwise but crap like reshade is just too limited and doesn't always work anyways

I gave up on retroarch because of how sensitive its controller interface is. just constant arcane issues using a ds4 and windows bluetooth,on anything else it just works, most I ever need to do is a remap.

>>11947161
>mGBA
I dropped for ares because of phantom micro stutter, for the life of me I just could not figure out what was causing it. ares is crash prone but no microstutter.

>>11946384 (OP)
just don't use it and ban all threads that promote it.
hire me , hiromoot.

>>11946438
>never fixed
smells like MAME

>>11946384 (OP)
learn how to use a computer

>>11947736
ironic

>>11947010
to be "fair" all my fav emus don't seem to save gamepad configs permanently. as soon as i unplug my gamepad, it all goes back to default again.
that said, i prefer KB and mouse anyway, except maybe for fightans, and games where i need to press more than 1 button at once for certain puzzles and bullshit.

>>11946384 (OP)
Pretty much, I would rather use Znes than this shit

>>11947113
This is true, but you people are even bigger faggots for making it a multi-year-long issue. Who cares man, it's never going to change and it's a perfectly surmountable problem if you stop being a retarded Mexican. The complaining about the UI is on track to somehow overtake the UI itself in terms of being annoying and a waste of time

>2025
>Silent exiting on error

>"show desktop menu" has a working information sheet on what bios/firmware/blobs you added to get a working core
>Still nowhere outside of the desktop menu
Still best emulator. All that they are missing is one of those above, and finally updating FFMPEG to support more normal subtitles.

>>11948091
Wait, RA plays videos with softsubs? Kinda tempted to use it to watch 90s tokusatsu with CRT shaders

>>11947726
why not retroarch tho? the mGBA core on Retroarch has no stutter problem, and has nicer shaders

>>11948102
no you need a very old version of retroarch to have soft subs.
its been broken for years in the newer retroarch builds and no one wants to fix it. might be better off using ShaderGlass

>>11948141
>might be better off using ShaderGlass
I would touch it with a 5 feet pole if it gave me an idea of what it was. If its like a separate window running in overlay, it can crash and due in obscurity, because that is what the screenshots are like

>>11948102
Its basically gotten worse in every single version since they added FFMPEG
>no subtitles on most content
>shaders randomly not working
>some videos silent exit

>>11948141
Due to how most video players scale shit, I don't know if shaderglass would display a shader correctly for a 480p video
For example in RA shaders adapt to the resolution of the game you're playing, as in scanlines and stuff will look different depending on the content resolution

>>11946384 (OP)
I like the UI, especially the XMB, what's wrong with it?

>>11947323
Oh shit, I never thought about that the integer for X and Y might differ. Damn, that's pretty cool.

Yeah, and having a higher res screen certainly may get you closer to a good ratio match. Stuck on wii u, though, so I'm only gonna get 1080 resolution. Not the best but not complete shit.

I were playing some SMW and I think that either I suck or the delay sucks. Might need a MISTER to reach my skill ceiling.

>>11947425
thanks, I'll give that a try later

>>11948232
the UI is 95% endurable when you use xmb. it should be default

>>11948232
It's fine if you're just booting it up and picking your game, but going through the menus much more than that isn't what that style was designed for and it becomes frustrating to use if you're using a mouse and keyboard.

>>11948345
It was until a few years ago, I don't get why they replaced it.

skill issue

>>11948457
fake soul

You can tell it was made by a linux user. Autistic multi-step processes to do the most simple shit. 0 focus on usability or user experience. Not to mention how crippled the steam version is, how counterintuitive the emulation installation process is (oh you want to emulate a system? download the core but also download these dozen other files that have to have the exact md5, directory location, and caps sensitive filename btw we're not going to help you get them we might get sued by the big bad corporation for their 30 year old software :33333), and how crap the documentation is.

>>11948457
ywnbzsnes

>>11946470
Other libretro frontends exist. There's one called Ludo that aims for simplicity above all else. It's nowhere near as full featured as RetroArch, though, and not all cores work on it IIRC. And that's the rub, really. You can write your own libretro frontend, but good luck getting it to do half as much as RetroArch can.

>>11948939
The documentation is great and it does everything I want it to do and more. I will never understand this bitching about the UI. The only complaints I have are that you need to download files manually if you delete a game and want all associated data with it removed and also the fact nightly was just a pain in the ass to get running but I just kept using stable because I didn't want to bother. So all in all pretty good.

>>11948151
>If its like a separate window running in overlay
just put it in fullscreen mode

>>11948160
Good point. Altho i wonder if just using a competent video player and shaderglass in fullscreen mode would be fine.
And since anime isnt pixel graphics, i also doubt i would see very teeny tiny differences.
But just using an older version of Retroarch also works, i think the issue on the github says exactly which most recent version of Retroarch still works.

>>11948939
>muh steam version

stopped reading, opinion discarded.

>>11948232
literally nothing wrong with it. the newer generation cant handle anything more complex than your average iphone app, thats all it is. theyre like boomers without the wrinkles. I used to rage about it but now I just pity them.

>>11946384 (OP)
if your emulator UI doesn't look like this i'm not using it

I genuinely do not understand what's the point of RA when pcsx2, duckstation and rpcs3 exist

>>11949338
This but unironically

>>11948151
>herp derp i wont touch anything i dont understand because technology is scary

>>11946384 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology)#Baby_duck_syndrome

>>11948132
retroarch's control compatibility is very sensitive. my setup causes constant problems, it's just easier using ares.

>>11949319
That won\t fix scaling issues that you need the video renderer to fix.

>>11948939
>caps sensitive filename btw we're not going to help
Those are listed in Desktop view.

>>11947721
This is the only valid complaint. The menus are fine, it even has a quick menu that has almost anything you'd actually need regularly.

But the controller support is dogshit. It needs to be better about automapping

How is this any worse than duckstation?

>>11949908
In Duckstation you can just click on any option you see. In Retroarch you have to scroll down to an option to then select it, essentially doubling what you have to do every time.

It'd be like Duckstation making you click interface on the left, click "pause on start" to select that option, and then clicking it again to enable/disable it.

It's unpleasant because controllers don't really have pointers the way a mouse does and it makes menu navigation feel strange and less efficient. It's like trying to use a PC without a mouse.

>>11950000
I don't understand, just use the arrow keys, enter, and backspace
Say I want to change the run ahead frames. This is how fast you can do it and get back into a game.

>>11950020
>just use the arrow keys, enter, and backspace
Yes, like I said, it's like using a PC without a mouse and most PC users aren't going to like that feeling. Keyboard only is less efficient than mouse and keyboard.

I don't understand why they can't simply have a full GUI built around mouse and keyboard. The desktop menu only makes things worse because it doesn't even have everything and you'd still have to switch between desktop and XMB or whatever. Retroarch just has a poor interface for PC users. It's not unusable of course, but it's not good for a program that is pushed and defended so adamantly.

>>11950028
The arrow keys, back, and select are mapped to your controller. It is more efficient because you don't have to put your controller down.

>>11950028
Why are you putting your controller down to change the settings?

>>11946384 (OP)
>a fucking retarded, cryptic, labyrinthine, backwards logic GUI
...what? it's just the fucking PSP/PS3 GUI, it's not that complex.

>>11950034
It's not more efficient for someone playing on PC who has a mouse and keyboard available. I understand that it has a purpose standalone emulators weren't filling in having a controller oriented interface, but for PC users it's simply worse.

>>11950040
Because I'm usually playing on PC and putting the controller on my lap for a second so I can use the mouse and keyboard ends up being better than trying to navigate extensive menus with the controller too.

>>11947003
>It basically just needs a proper mouse/keyboard GUI where everything can be navigated through right away.
Isn't that just the alternate one that you hit like F5 or something to go into?

>>11948939

Steam version is fine. You can get the online updater on it with a simple zip file update, or just copy paste anything you want from regular Retroarch. And disable Steam controller input in Steam so Retroarch controller autoconfig works.

>>11950068
>Because I'm usually playing on PC and putting the controller on my lap for a second so I can use the mouse and keyboard ends up being better than trying to navigate extensive menus with the controller too.

Nah, you just don't want to learn, it's really not that hard. There is no reason to put your controller down, that is less efficient and wastes time, using the d-pad is faster

>>11950124
Using the dpad is not faster than switching to mouse and keyboard when navigating a large menu. I had no trouble getting Retroarch to work and doing whatever I wanted in it. It simply always felt worse because the interface is designed around using a controller and I want to use a mouse and keyboard.

I have done an extensive amount of work on PCs with various operating systems, interfaces, using programs with no GUI at all, etc. Retroarch is just unpleasant to use because the interface is designed around a controller and a controller is not best for that kind of interface.

There are a large number of people complaining about this and the Retroarch devs themselves seem to realize it's a problem and are trying to add in more desktop friendly options. It's the RA users who get defensive and try to act like someone is "wrong" for not liking it lol.

>>11950224
>the Retroarch devs themselves seem to realize it's a problem and are trying to add in more desktop friendly options
So why even create this thread?

I only barely used it on a modded ps classic. Yeah doesn’t seem intuitive, thankfully the psx games work via the normal menu, if I want to play Nintendo or Super Nintendo I’ll just use my anbernic.

>using retroarch instead of standalone emulators
this board really has been overrun by zoomers

>>11947013
I can only see two reasons to use it. You just want a front end for everything, or you want retro achievements.

>>11950323

I used to think this. Then I realized Retroarch is simply better and can do things that vast majority of other emulators can't do.

The only bad thing about RA gui is the lack of a proper way to map the controls per system. Remapping for N64 is really a pain in the ass.

>>11950323
Do all of your standalones have VRR support or shaders for proper scaling for games that use a non-square pixel aspect ratio?

>>11946384 (OP)
OP speaks the truth this time.

>>11951313
Huh? You can save per system, even per game. Or are you talking about something else?

>>11950323
I'm 45 years old, I played them all since nesticle on my windows 95 machine. These days I go with retroarch for Dreamcast and below. The reason is that it has proper refresh rate sync, so if you have a display with VRR, you get the proper framerate of the game. You could argue that duckstation or whatever also has it, but not all of them do. That's the point, it works for everything on retroarch. Playing DOS games at their original refresh rate is an eye opener, super smooth without a single frame dropped. The frontend has other advantages, like arbitrary game scaling or even new things like switchres, HDR and BFI.

If you just want to drop your roms and play, then yeah, standalone are probably a better idea. If you want to take advantage of your display to it's fullest, you go retroarch.

>>11946384 (OP)
Retrobat seems to work much better, and has easy switching between emulators built in. Retroarch is the frontend, and gui you're better off just having shortcuts for different emulators.

>Just buy a arcade cabinet for 9k to run a game from the 90s bro

>>11951379
>Playing DOS games at their original refresh rate is an eye opener
NES too
I had no idea Castlevania was supposed to scroll this smoothly. Apparently the reason why VRR makes such a difference is because the NES's refresh rate is actually 60.1hz
The .1 makes it look like shit if you're not playing with VRR

>>11946416
>What systems are best ran through RA instead of stand-alones these days?
There are none.

>>11946384 (OP)
standalone emus win every time
>b-but muh libretro-only cores
garbage, I'd rather get a less accurate but intuitive to use standalone emu

>>11951330
you're playing games from the 90s, what VRR and HDR?

>>11951295
what exactly can it do?

>>11952279
>what VRR
Holy retard
Now I know "people" shitting on RA have literally no idea about the shit they're talking about

>>11952317
seriously, what can ra do that stand-alone emus can't? genuine question

>>11952335
VRR across all cores, proper scaling across all cores
If this isn't enough for you then you simply don't care about games being rendered properly

>>11952336
huh? I use the stand-alone emus to upscale my games, the fuck you mean proper rendering?

>>11952343
it's a retroshit shill anon, just ignore him

>>11952336
also I'm using a 60hz monitor, the fuck do I need VRR for? also for DOS games, DOSbox does an excellent job, seriously what IS the advantage of using retro arch over all those other solutions for emulation?

>>11952357
>also I'm using a 60hz monitor, the fuck do I need VRR for?
Not that anon but grab Pinball Fantasies or Zyclunt and pay attention to the continue stutter you get when the screen scrolls. This is not because your pc is shitty or the emulation is bad, it's because the game runs at a different refresh rate and your monitor can't keep up, so it produce stutter. VRR syncs your monitor to the exact refresh rate the game uses and you don't get any dropped frames as a result. I mention those two games just as an example but most DOS games have this issue, and arcade games, PC98, Sharp X68k and several consoles. If you have an old monitor / tv that's only 60h, you won't be able to use VRR unfortunately.

>>11946384 (OP)
just use standalone emulators. if you want shaders, use shaderglass

The controller mapping thing is horse shit.

Is there like a RetroArch configurator tool you can use to set things up in a more streamlined way?

>>11952551
stop using retroarch. it's a piece of shit

>>11947390
I was curious about it but I don't have a Mac; but I will admit it looks pretty cool.

>>11947626
The worst part about reshade is that sometimes the program I'm using it with won't tell me if it's D3D or OGL or Vulkan or whatever and I just have to guess. If there's a reliable way to confirm that information I would love to know.

>>11946386
holy FPBP

>>11946438 here. I'm trans btw

>plug in controller
>open retroarch
>load core
>load content
>done
are you people retarded?

>>11947110
global rule 2

>>11947741
>using retroarch and not being intimidated by it means you don't know how to use a computer
this is up there with "why didn't consoles have built-in memory instead of memory cards and reuse the same cartridges across generations?" as one of the worst /vr/ posts of all time, and i'm 90% sure that was a troll

>>11952602
>ignoring the argument

>>11952591
>I'm trans btw
no one cares here try reddit or discord.

>>11952562
just look at what dll files the process is using

>>11952602
It's not even hard, but it requires a modicum of effort. Which is too much for some some.

>>11947154
That's exactly the problem. There's a billion different configs, and sorting individual shaders around in your shader presets is a fucking nightmare because the configs don't use even remotely nested arguments; if you want to shuffle Shader #1 down so it's Shader #2, you have to reassign every single component of Shader #1 by hand to link it to Shader #2.

Zoomers are fucking embarrassing, holy shit. RetroArch doesn't "filter" anybody, it's simply fucking shit.
Why would I willingly use a piece of software made for tech illiterate console/mobilefags instead of every other emulator that's actually made for PC users?
>>11947741
Yeah, that was one of the worst self-owns I've seen all year.

>>11949480
>pop psychology
I started with DOS and would probably burn the house down if I had to use it again.
People quickly adapt to quality and ease-of-use. They have to be frog boiled or have it be the only viable option to accept trash. RA is so much better than the competition at emulation that people are willing to deal with the shit UI.

UI is a huge deal and users associate it with overall functionality.
The iPod is a great example. A BUNCH of mp3 players that were better than iPod in every tech spec failed because their UIs were complete shit.
Crapple is what it is today because they realized people didn't want to read a tech manual just to press "play" on a jambox.

>>cryptic, labyrinthine, backwards logic GUI
not only stupid, but stubborn and lazy
old people are disgrace

>>11952602
yeah it's a good thing retroarch doesn't have a huge amount of options otherwise and is known for being extremely barebones so it works just like you say

MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

>>11952845
Oh fuck me lmao I'm so dumb

>>11947113
Once I learned it, it works fine and I can move through it very quickly.

so... Get good?

>>11946384 (OP)
RA really needs to make it obvious how settings inheritance works. The current overrides system is retarded.

It should have
>Retroarch Settings
>Core Settings
>Content Settings

Content would be a duplicate of Core Settings, but every setting would default to "Core Setting [Name]". If you've ever used usbloader gx on a wii, that's how that program works and is much more intuitive.

>>11954204
>Once I learned it
I'm not sure if you should really have to learn a basic program's GUI. If someone is already using a bunch of emulators and doesn't have any issue moving between them, having an issue with this one means something is wrong.

>>11952602
Would you be satisfied if it worked exactly the same, but hid those options from (You) until a key combination (You) don't know about is pressed or a line in a config file is changed?

>>11953045
>RA is so much better than the competition at emulation
what's so much better about it, anon, please elaborate
>inb4 VRR
no one really gives a shit

>>11954547
>what's so much better about it, anon, please elaborate
You're not looking for answers, you're looking for arguments.

>>11954556
it seems you don't have either

>Retro arch is vastly superior from standalone emulators
>ok, why?
>hurrrrrr you want to argue reeeee
kek

>>11954547
>no one really gives a shit
You decided no one gives a shit because it helps your narrative
I give a shit about VRR and so does everyone who knows what it does and can use it

>>11946390
SCHUUUUUUUULTZ!!!!!

>>11946384 (OP)
i shift click, sage and remove your shitty thread from my thread watcher, and i implore everyone else to do the same because the mods have given up on this board a long time ago.

>>11946384 (OP)
>>11946908
It is much better today than it was a few years ago

>>11946384 (OP)
The history of RetroArch's user interface is a pretty interesting one. Originally, when it was known as SSNES, it didn't truly have a GUI, as it was purely a command-line driven program (which it still is underneath). However, it DID come with a launcher using byuu's Phoenix framework (see pic related), and while it wasn't as sleek and modern as what new Qt-based emulator UIs have, it was fully mouse-and-keyboard-driven, gave you easy access to all the options, and could be used to update the cores AND the program itself (the latter being something you still cannot do with modern RetroArch). Now, the reason I say it didn't have a GUI is because Phoenix only passed command line arguments to the program before launching it, which meant that once you started a game, you couldn't change any settings without first exiting the game. They eventually deprecated it because apparently they found it hard and unwieldy to update and work with, and byuu himself had dropped all support for it, and so they didn't want to keep working with it.

It wasn't until sometime in 2013 that RetroArch got its first true built-in GUI (known as RGUI) you could pull up mid-game, but it was ugly as sin, as it was originally created for the Wii port and made to be 240p-friendly above all. This is the real reason RetroArch has been stuck with a primarily controller-driven interface - because they already had one made on the Wii, and they decided to just port that and have it be a universal GUI they could more or less copypaste for use on any platform rather than creating an entirely new one for each platform that catered to its UI and UX design.

Pic related is how RGUI used to look like at its inception. You can still use it today, but it's no longer the default, and if you do try it, it has at least been made to look less terrible from the get-go, and you can customize it any number of ways.

For an extra fun insight into what went on in the minds of the RetroArch team back then in terms of UI development, here's a nice little thread where, as usually tended to happen, got rather hostile and then locked once RetroArch's current lead dev got involved:
https://forums.libretro.com/t/phoenix-gui/368/19

How do i get the OCR hook to work on Android?

>>11956286
Classic SP.

Don't care, still using Snes9x because it literally just werks, my emulators are all set up the way I want them, and I find it comfy having separate folders and launchers

>b-b-but runahead and filters

Doesn't make the game better nigga - a good game with a filter on is a good game regardless

>>11953286
Would you be satisfied if it worked exactly the same, but hid those options from (You) until a key combination (You) don't know about is pressed or a line in a config file is changed?

>>11946384 (OP)
It's because they designed it around a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard. Literally appealing to console piss-ants instead of the people who are literally only using it; those on PC.

Absolutely pants-shittingly retarded behavior from a developer. Take a lap.

>>11959008
It's not really about appealing to consoles. It's because RetroArch is on a gorillion different platforms, and they don't want to code a whole separate UI that caters to each and every platform's primary way of doing things, so they opted for a UI that would be portable and could be navigated by a device most people using RetroArch would also most likely be using regardless of platform, and that is a controller. On PC, it does have a Qt mouse-and-keyboard UI you can enable, but it's not that well laid out and is missing some options, and hasn't been touched in years.

>>11950323
Hey, newfag here, where can i download old game roms?

>>11959008
I mean, the majority of people playing on emulators are using controllers plugged into their PC, I know I am. Though I do agree, the interface is shit, but the idea behind it still makes sense.

>>11946384 (OP)
If people used the energy to complain to figure how it works they'd be playing games.

>>11956225
Fascinating.

>>11960336
>If people used the energy to complain to figure how it works they'd be playing games.
You're assuming the people complaining were unable to use it. I could use it. I just didn't like using it.

>>11947248
>being so poor that original hardware is impossible
jesus dude

>>11961059
You omitted the "impractical" part.

>>11959080
>so they opted for a UI that would be portable and could be navigated by a device most people using RetroArch would also most likely be using regardless of platform, and that is a controller.
No, that's a keyboard. The "controller" you're speaking of, for some reason unknown to me why people don't just use the best default PC controller (xbox) also apparently use Playstation controllers (shivers). Or even worse yet, 8bitdo.

There's like 4 or 5 different controllers anyone could be using. EVERYONE is using mouse and keyboard by default. Designing it around a controller is dumb.

>>11946384 (OP)
I'll never understand this meme. Yes, retroarch has a million settings that you can mess with but for 99% of your needs, all you have to do is go to Quick settings.

Does anyone else suffer from MASSIVE dead zones on LRPS2? I've already set the deadzone to 0% but I have to move the stick to 50% of its range for the emulator to recognize input. I know I can use standalone PCSX2 but I wanted to use shaders :_

>>11961871
Disregard post, turns out I had to restart the core after changing the dead zone settings. Baffling.

>>11961745
RetroArch is not only on PC, anon. It's on a myriad consoles, portables, phones, etc. So no, not EVERYONE using RetroArch is using a mouse and keyboard. I don't know what the figures are on if PC users comprise a majority of RetroArch's userbase, but the other platforms are not an insignificant number at all. You may not like it, you may think it OUGHT to primarily target PC and its primary input sources, and I don't even disagree with you there. But they decided they wanted something more or less universal so they wouldn't be burdened with maintaining a dozen different UIs, and so we got what we got. They're not opposed to a WIMP-style interface, they just won't be arsed to create and maintain one.

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>>11962096
they should fork it with a proper UI and one for couch fuckers

>>11961745
I'm not using a keyboard and mouse in the PC I use to run RetroArch, only 4 controllers

>>11946384 (OP)
Git gud

Every time we have these threads I put an open question to anyone who struggled or are struggling to post it in the thread and I’ll tell you what to do but no one actually WANTS to learn. You can save settings on a global, system, and even per game basis including shader profiles so all this guff people post about controllers needing set up every time are talking shit

>>11963775
>no one actually WANTS to learn
I've never HAD to learn anything using stand alone emus though, they just work

Imagine bragging about hating learning a little bit for once.

>>11964656
it's not really hating, it's just not worth it

>>11964794
Not true. You learn it once, it's the same for all cores and you're set for decades to come.

>>11964802
or, I can use what I'm already using and be set for decades to come
???

>>11964914
cope

>>11964915
:(

>>11946390
It works fine for me. I am using it on a PSOne classic with absolutely no troubles beyond not being able to load cheats.