Thread 11947042

You're the new gookmoot of 4chan. First order of business: what to do with /vr/. Do you:
>leave things as they are, recognize that retro games are a specific era in time and keep the cutoff eternally at 2007
>recognize that given time something will always seem retro to someone so you implement a rolling window and every couple years you keep the distance between current year and the cutoff year the same
It's been a contentious topic around here recently

>>11947042 (OP)
Teenage kids saw my xbox 360 and called it retro. Case closed.

I delete your thread, rangeban you and send the FBI to your home to confiscate all of your electronic devices

>>11947042 (OP)
Make a second board called modern retro for 6th through 8th gen and make this board 5th and prior with a PC button date of 9/11/2001

>>11947042 (OP)
Fuck off retard

>>11947053
This. The argument has been destroyed countless times. Retro doesn't simply mean old. Saying Dark Souls 2 and Black Ops 2 are retro is about as stupid as saying Van Gogh is retro. Stop being mad about it and spamming threads and move on. There are all sorts of things you can do with your life.

>>11947130
No, retro iterally does mean old you dumbfuck.

I mean technically something retro is just something in the old style, so indieshit 8-bit and 16-bit games would be considered retro.

Simply put 360 and PS3 are 20 years old, they are retro. If it was about "muh game feel" then N64 and PS2 would never have been retro either.

>>11947042 (OP)
If PS2 is retro, there's no reason PS3 shouldn't also be retro after due time has passed (which it has). PS3 is basically just a refinement of PS2, PS2 already had realistic 3D graphics and online play.

>>11947064
>further split one of the most inactive boards
You are retarded, and there is a ton of crossover so having to jump back and forth for similar games at the cutoff is ridiculous.

>>11947130
>Saying Dark Souls 2
Had to make your point using a late game that came out after PS4 was already out..

Is Demon's Souls retroer though?

>>11947158
>I just need the board to be active
>I need muh heckin dopamine
I don't, I'd rather have snail threads over 5th gen and prior than 11 spite threads about PC games that came out in 2007 on a retro board. But you're probably a faggot who wants to talk COD so you do you

Go back to original rules and ban 3D games, cutoff date is back to 2000, so 6th gen is also banned.
Total zoomer death

Retro is not a moving target. Retro is much an aesthetic as "indie" is for music at this point. Denying it is malicious. You want to make GTA V retro, even though you're still playing it and thinking it's new.

>>11947168
We can already talk about CoD here you moron.

why are you guys so desperate to talk about dark souls and smash bros brawl here

Merriam-Webster says:
>relating to, reviving, or being the styles and especially the fashions of the past : fashionably nostalgic or old-fashioned
In other words, retro-style indie games like Shovel Knight and Blazing Chrome, as well as PS3/360 era brown and bloom games like RE5 and Bayonetta would 100% be retro (as well as any games mimicking those styles)

I've not seen ANY definition of retro that establishes it as a fixed, unchanging point unless specifically associated with a qualifier like "90s retro" or "brown and bloom retro" or "8-bit retro"

"muh retro never changes" is pure cope from butthurt oldfags who can't accept the passage of time.

>>11947203
We can already discuss Bioshock, Crysis, CoD4, God of War 2. How are those two games any fundamentally different?

Retro just means older games, which PS3 and 360 (and CERTAINLY PSP/DS) would be.

>>11947203
Most of the people bringing up souls games on this board are fat balding milliennials screeching "Y-YOU JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOULS GAMES HERE!!!!!!!!!" like (You)

>>11947216
>the passage of time.
This is just a dog whistle for boomer genocide, you ageist scum

You can discuss 7th gen games on >>>/v/ :-)

>>11947156
I know a good reason, 6th gen wasn't awash in DLC. There are a few paid docs in 6th gen consoles but they are the exception not the rule. 7th gen will never be retro because the ability to get full copies of these games isn't even paywalled, it's just walled. If i was a zoomie playing World at War on a wiiI or ps3 im locked out of buying the full game. The advancements from 3rd to 6th gen are all about graphics, new mechanics and new genres. After 6th every advancement in those areas is miniscule compared to the dominant advancements in microtransactions.
It's a fools errand to try to keep zoomies out and I don't want to gatekeep zoomies like this guy>>>>>
>>>11940672
Because he made an effort to play the game and appreciate it, even if it's likely he played on NSO. What I'd like to gatekeep is a dozen "I grabbed COD for my dad's wii for 5 bucks and I can't even play the full game" with two dozen "well you shouldn't have chosen to be born in 2004" replies and all the other spam that would inherently come with 7th gen. There is less difference in 2025 gaming than 2008 gaming than there is between 2008 and 2005 gaming. The industry hasn't moved, 7th gen belongs on /v/

>>11947228
/v/ is pretty much unusable nowadays due to gachashit, vtuber bullshit, cumbrain theeads, and politics/ragebait threads, combined with moderators that just don't even bother

/vr/ actually discusses games and you can also discuss more niche shit because threads also don't archive after 20 minutes of no replies

>>11947237
>/v/ is bad
Not my problem

>>11947237
>/v/ is basically unusable because of all the things gatekept from /vr/
Agreed, this is why you shouldn't allow 7th gen to turn /vr/ into /v/ lite

>/v/ is bad
>let's turn /vr/ into /v/ that will fix it ;);)

>>11947230
>what is satellaview
>what is gameline
>what is playcable
>what is fucking DOOM
>what are game release revisions
This has never and will never be criteria for retro.

Hell, Dreamcast had online connectivity and DLC and that was even added separately before PS2/Xbox/Gamecube

You can't just handwave and say "MUH DLC" and act like it magically becomes not retro.

>>11947245
>>11947241
Read dumbasses. Literally none of the issues related to /v/ have to do with 7th gen. It's all mobileshit, gachashit, vtumorshit, political news, off topic shit, and barebones moderation.

>>11947253
/v/ was shit when 7th gen was contemporary too, zoomer

>>11947258
At least the trolling and the memes were inventive back then. You had trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls to the point you couldn't tell anymore, this generation's "trolling" brought up on click bait is so obvious it's pahetic. And people actually were creative with memes, making new edits all the time, instead of just reposting the same green frogs and onions face over and over.

It was shit but today's 7th gen discussion would be shittier

>>11947253
Learn to read faggot, all the issues with 7th gen have to do with /v/

>>11947042 (OP)
weve been over this
muh "sliding scale" is retarded
it doesnt actually slide
it just gets larger on the modern end until youre now where its basically "/v/ but 10yrs ago" and threads about actual old games get buried by faggots doing their inane rehearsed slapfights

>>11947156
PS2/PS3 differences:
- 4:3 vs widescreen aspect
- CRT vs LED designed graphics
- Complete on disc vs not complete
- Virtually no DLC of any kind for PS2 and no paywalled content
- Online modes as a gameplay supplement vs online modes as essential for gameplay
- Cloud achievements vs no cloud achievements
- Wired controllers and console vs wireless

The bridge between these two gens is greater than any other two gens and zoomers need to fuck off

>>11947267
>games from 20 years ago are "modern"

>>11947216
>retro
Retro is a facsimile, meaning something pretending to be old. If I buy a nirvana t-shirt made in 2025 I am dressing retro. Vintage is actually the word for the games discussed here, so if you want to play autist and use dictionary definitions than you're only playing things like shovelknight.

>>11947276
Based

>>11947276
>- 4:3 vs widescreen aspect ratio
Existed on Xbox and Gamecube
>- CRT vs LED designed graphics
Many late gen 6th gen games had 480p and higher res modes, and many early 7th gen were still designed for CRT. Also obviously GB/GBA and other handhelds are LCD
>- Complete on disc vs not complete
That's 8th gen. Overwhelming vast majority are on the disc
>- Virtually no DLC of any kind for PS2 and no paywalled content
Dreamcast had DLC. Hell, Satellaview, gameline, and playcable as well
>- Online modes as a gameplay supplement vs online modes as essential for gameplay
I'm not even sure what you're saying, but vast majority of games did not have "essential online modes" and LAN and online play were a thing in the late 90s and early 2000s which are all allowed here
>- Cloud achievements vs no cloud achievements
Retroachievements are allowed here
>- Wired controllers and console vs wireless
Wireless controllers from every console are already allowed, you can openly discuss PS4/PS5/Switch controllers for emulation

>>11947285
Cool get rid of 6th gen too. I line 6th gen but if it gets rid of you that would be based

>>11947282
they certainly dont have any place here, and their inclusion has only been to the detriment of this place.
yes, thats exactly what im saying, and its also literally irrefutable. we have all the evidence we need to make that call. this place has gone steadily downhill since the rule change. its completely unrecognizable.
wtf do you think will happen if they do that again?

>>11947285
Just because like 12 PS2 games had an HD mode out of 10000 doesn't make it an HD console

>>11947286
No, instead you just cry and shit your diaper about time passing as we discuss 7th gen

I sure can't wait for:
>ps3 has no games threads
>rrod threads
>numerous souls threads
>CoD general
>even more threads bitching about sonic
>Souljaboy braid shitposting
>anons regularly ranting about wagglin
>"wii is a toaster" memes
>"how do we save the psp?" threads
>gtaV threads
On top of /vr/'s:
>bitching about first party gamecube games (usually sunshine and WW) threads
>"how do we save the saturn?" threads
>blogpost threads
>eceleb discussion bait

>>11947290
Many Xbox and PC games of the era were though

>>11947295
Go to /v/ zoom zoom

>>11947303
>Well xbox had an hdmi so we should have ps5 discussion here.
Kys

>>11947301
>>ps3 has no games threads
>>rrod threads
>>numerous souls threads
>>CoD general
>>even more threads bitching about sonic
>>Souljaboy braid shitposting
>>anons regularly ranting about wagglin
>>"wii is a toaster" memes
>>"how do we save the psp?" threads
>>gtaV threads
this
its just /v/ from 10yrs ago
its the most retarded idea that exists to allow even MORE gens on this same board

>>11947307
>platform had arbitrary feature that I randomly deem as "NOT RETRO" so therefore we can't discuss any of its games here
That's your retarded argument not mine. Ban SNES discussion because Satellaview exists... it's just asinine

>>11947321
Did you ever play satellaview zoomie or did you learn about it from a youtube video? The reason we never have satellaview threads here is because no one played it. Genesis had online, no one used it.

>>11947327
And a new goal post shift has begun

>>11947321
>small online curiosities existed in 4th gen, therefore we should allow the dominant online gaming ecosystem of the 7th gen
Lol what a retard. Just post your slop on /v/, you aren't wanted here

>>11947267
>>11947289
>>11947042 (OP)
The only people who believe that "retro" is a specific era in time, are autistic manchildren who cannot comprehend a reality outside of when they were born and grew up. Your shitty games on whatever fag console you owned were ground-breaking alien technology to the boomers of yester-year, and yet you cling to them as if they're old-timey quaint technology.

You're fucking ahistorical dipshits is basically what I'm saying, without any understanding of definitions, or context, and lack any knowledge of what "retro" means.

>>11947330
>muh heckin goal posts
I'll move as many as possible to keep filth like you off the board

>You can set Quake 1's resolution to 3840×2160
Shit, I guess PS5 pro is retro now...

The retro electronics store near me buys and sells up to PS4. Most people unquestionably consider PS3 as retro unless they are over the age of like 40

It's only on /vr/ I see this weird hangup

>>11947339
>I don't like retro
That's cool, go to /v/

>>11947042 (OP)
Your gaybox 360 will never be retro fuck off

>>11947336
PC, Dreamcast, Xbox, PS2 did not just have "small online curiosities"

>>11947345
>I don't like retro
That's literally you!

>>11947339
>frogposter is based and correct
Many such cases

>>11947237
It's getting pretty hard to discuss actual niche things with the increase in shitposting and bait. How would pushing for more non-niche things to be discussable allow for this continued ability to discuss actual niche things?

The subject will be wide as an ocean, but deep as a puddle. You dilute the subject matter which leaves less room for anything deeper. The niche gets pushed out by more accessible and ritualistic threads. What's the solution for the niche discussion you purport to like? The niche discussions should just get more posts? Gen 7 isn't going to bring many posters that can help with that.

Now if you just said you wanted to discuss the things from your childhood, that'd be more believable. It's not going to help niche discussions though.

>>11947352
>Literally you, it is literally you like for literally!
Go back nufag

>>11947364
I'm of the belief there is one assmad schizo who caught a three day for trying to start some CODMW thread and whennit expired he decided to shit up the catalogue. It's very reminiscent of /pw/ where all the autistic shit posting is discussing any actual conversation of the board because the board is used to moving slow. At a turbo autist to a slow board and they can fuck it up beyond recognition, and in response there is this behavioral sink where people try to outstanding the spammer and any decent convo gets replaced with b8 thread #45.

Where did this idea that online is automatically not retro even come from? 7th gen multiplayer is much more similar to PS2/Xbox/PC online, LAN parties, or even splitscreen than it is to the GaaS slop, microtransaction nickel and diming that defined the latter half of 8th gen. 7th gen through and through was about singleplayer on-disc experiences

I think a TON of people here are conflating 7th gen with late 8th gen practices

>>11947364
There are niche and non-niche in both. Popular PS1, PS2, SNES, GBA games aren't niche

>>11947380
No, most of the board under the age of 40 want 7th gen discussion. Boomers can fuck off to their retirement homes

>>11947382
>7th gen was about 1 player experiences through and through
No it wasn't zoomie, it's where online experiences overtook single player gaming and where couch co-op began to be nixed. How many 4 player racing games are there on 7th gen verse 6th gen consoles?

>>11947382
>Where did this idea that online is automatically not retro even come from?
from the fact that it fundamentally changed everything about how vidya was played and how people even related to the media in general

>>11947393
>most of the people who have been here a decade don't want to flood the board with opinions from latchkey nufags who have been here since the school session ended in June
Fify

>>11947042 (OP)
I literally don't see a problem with including PSP, DS, 360, and PS3.

You 40+ year old faggots in this board just need to accept you are getting omega old and people in their 30s are genuinely nostalgic for the Xbox 360.

Its not like /v/ gets any serious videogames discussion anyways so having a safe space to talk about the 7th gen would be great. Theres so many good games on PSP and 360 to talk about and recommend.

>>11947393
Well we found the assmad zoomie schizo

Zoomers are desperate to destroy this board because they can't stand their childhood doesn't have a special status. Notice all those "what was X like?" threads? They want to feel they're part of something that isn't soulless shit but it's never gonna happen because they're part of the problem.

>>11947339
Facts

>>11947402
40 year olds, like me played all those systems. The reason I don't want to discuss them here is because there isn't any distinction between 7th and 9th gen games. If you're talking Skyrim on /vr/ than /vr/ doesn't have a point.

>>11947392
Yes. And adding gen 7 allows for even less niche discussion. You'll have to contend with popular things from gen 2-7. This means more popular things and banal bait will be on the board.

7th gen will be allowed in a few years and it will be funny to see the boomer tears :)

>>11947380
Im I having a stroke? Finding it difficult to understand some of this post.

>>11947424
Boomers (millennials) will be laughing at early zoomers seething because of having to let their younger late zoomer/early gen aloha or whatever it's called brothers enter the retro board.

>>11947410
This just proves how old and out of touch you are. There's a massive distinction between 7th gen and the 8th and 9th gen. The 7th gen was the last vestige of the industry before it became absolute dogwater goyslop. 7th gen had real games before videogames turned ubisoft open world tower finders. The 7th gen was the beginning of the end, but it had some legit great games. Especially the xbox 360 arcade releases. I even forgot to mention the huge library of great games on the wii worth talking about in here.

if it really triggers you guys this much at least let us have a "7th gen general" so we can talk about games without getting banned or threads deleted.

>>11947428
Nah, it's just some schizo ramblings so it makes no sense.

>>11947424
You think 40 year olds like me don't like 7th gen but we all played that shit too. The reason we don't want it here is because it isn't distinct from modern gaming and when you allow 7th gen discussion they'll be so much shitflinging threads about 2nd gen will get thrown off the board for the 10th COD thread. There is a reason people didn't want 6th gen here as well because we knew what it was signaling, not because we didn't play 6th gen.

>>11947424
99% of the "boomers" already left. That's why you see that steep decline in thread quality. It's all /v/ retards now giving their "opinions" on shit they know nothing about.

>>11947432
>7th gen was when everything turned to ubislop therefore we should discuss it

Remember when they said the rule change wouldn't ruin /vr/? How a /v2k/ board made no sense?
We just can't have nice things and that's it.

>>11947437
Yup

>>11947432
>There's a massive distinction between 7th gen and the 8th and 9th gen
Least delusional zoomer

Judging by just how rude 7th gen fags are whenever we have meta threads, we shouldn't have 7th gen here

>>11947435
How bad did your 3day fuck with your dopamine intake?

>>11947439
Purposely misconstruing what im saying or you are an actual IQ-let. There were tons of good games in the 7th gen. Late 7th gen was when things got bad, but im seriously thinking you are being overly dramatic.

At least let the 30 year olds have a 7th gen General so you can hide it if it really angers you that much.