Thread 11948295

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/spectrumnext/zx-spectrum-next-issue-3-0/description

Now includes full commodore 64 and Sinclair QL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZUmopeNRg

€2,512,549
pledged of €289,943 goal

it's not just an ARM? that's kinda neat. Not something i want, but neat.

>>11948310
No, its full hardware. I'm getting if because I want to write games in C for it and port a lot of basic retro games and enhance them. The last issue of spectrum nexts sell for over a 1200 used. Its a completely different aternative to linux for retro gaming and has huge hardcore techy support including updates ports of classics like head over heels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QWoag5ZuJ8

>>11948310
Library is impressive if you like retro games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkAcmK_Fua8
The machine itself is a technical marvel.

Are there advantages to owning a real Spectrum Next as opposed to emulating it on MiSTer?

>>11948316
>No, its full hardware.
isn't it FPGA based?

>>11948360
FPGA (Artix A7 XC7A35T-2CSG324C
Licensed Hardware roms

>>11948352
Yes, see these, these are Next ports of spectrum games.

>>11948337
>>11948320

Plus Next OS and a full hardware interface for spectrum peripherals, 9 pin joystick interface etc etc

Its a pretty evolved machine and actually has rasberry pi board in there as well acting as an additional subsystem

Have a look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT84R5SHHLg

>>11948352
Never mentioned licensed CP/M on top of everything else.

>>11948502
>Yes, see these, these are Next ports of spectrum games.
I mean, MiSTer has a dedicated Spectrum Next core which replicates Spectrum Next as opposed to historical ZX computers. It's a bit cumbersome as you need to create a hard disk image in lieu of just dropping files to SD card but it's usable.

I don't want one because I am straight and have all of my teeth still, sorry!

>>11948527
That's nto the spectrum Next that's a more limited emulation packaged lphysically like a 48K spectrum

This is an example of retro games ported to Specrtum Next audio and graphics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSRakwBuV88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs1jFsXVm-c

>>11948535
Right, you're on the list and not getting one. I'm sure that you will be missed given its already 1000% over its funding goal.
>>11948534
Aside frm retro gaming I will be using the zx spectrum hardware expansion port in it to control banks of 12V relays and reading switch values, this combined with the C comiler and CP/M etc means it's for me a must have. It's like the premier retro techy machine no competition, they even ship new games ON PHYSICAL MEDIA for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1OuAAzjY_8

>>11948553
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/spectrumnext/zx-spectrum-next-issue-3-0/description

>>11948553
does it have an input for my compact cassette deck so i can load stolen games the old fashioned way?

>>11948570
Yes you can save and load games from tape if you want and it has the ports on the side.

>>11948570
>does it have an input for my compact cassette deck so i can load stolen games the old fashioned way?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsrt0G_eXpo

>>11948570
I'm always amazed 40 year old maganetic tapes still work but they do, I have loaded up a few on an old spectrum as well as ViC 20s and other machines and they work, I'm using a couple of 80s casteete recorders and a commodore one.

>>11948515
>Never mentioned licensed CP/M on top of everything else.
https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/28420/ZX-Spectrum/Zork_1-The_Great_Underground_Empire_ZxZvm

>>11948295 (OP)
>Now includes full commodore 64 and Sinclair QL
That's cool, but why? There are better C64 projects and Sinclair QL kinda sucks and barely got any use case.
Wouldn't it be much more sensible to add support for other Z80 based stuff, like Amstrad CPC and MSX? Maybe throw in Colecovision/Adam and Sega System as well?

>>11948801
It's not like there's a physical difference between operating in C64 or MSX mode, given that it's all just rearranging logic elements on FPGA.

>>11948295 (OP)
What does thing do? Play games at 10 fps with 4 colors?

>>11948801
They are also working on more cores.

I think there is BBC Micro core avalable for it.
e.g
https://github.com/hoglet67/BeebFpga/releases


Nothing stopping someone getting the MSX licsence and creating one, it would be nice to see. I'm actually very interested in seeing teh QL just because I have never played with one. It had about 70 games mainly arcade ports like q bert, space invaders etc It's notable though because that one is a motorola 68008 processor clocked at 7.5 MHz as opposed to a 6510 or a Z80 or a 6502/6512

>>11948857
Why don't you click on some of the links and look at the spectrum next games
https://itch.io/c/853523/the-complete-zx-spectrum-next-playlist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkAcmK_Fua8

>>11948857
It maybe above your tech grade anon but these old systems had grade softare and it has a ton of new physical relelease games too as well as digital
You'd probably enjoy blank and white or head over heels Next versions but the only think that will stop you having fun is you and you souond nofun

>>11948816
Agree given that the processors are all modeled it would be relatively straightforward to do a core for it

>>11948295 (OP)
>if you want a Spectrum Next
I don't
>kickstarter
Been burned far too much on there at this point
Especially when it comes to hardware. I remember when the Polymega was supposed to be FPGA based before they pivoted to it just being a PC with the absolute cheapest lowest-end CPU that I honestly didn't even know was still being made anymore.

Though I'll give them credit at least the FPGA they chose has a somewhat believable pricepoint for what they want to sell it for.

Honest question, so what is the advantage of getting this vs other FPGA devices like the Ultimate C64 or MiSTer? You claimed "remakes" of games, but that seems more like just some packed in software that only this could run unless it's also full of DRM.

>>11948316
>No, its full hardware.
It's FPGA, not really "full hardware". Though I guess that depends on your definition of what counts as emulation and hardware.

>>11948596
Older media tends to last longer, mostly because it's nowhere near as densely packed/intricate as newer media. This even goes beyond digital storage, papers outlast just about any digital storage, stone tablets outlast paper...

>>11948801
It will have CPC core
Also in Retcon 2025 presentation devs talk quite a bit about adding Amiga and Atari ST cores
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUSscLkBI0

C64 projects I looked at:
Ultimate64 - even though on FPGA, it's still just a vanilla C64, so, if you want to make games for it, that's 64k in ASM
Commander X16 - extended C64, but not by much. It's 8mhz 6502, so ASM again for development
Mega65 - interesting system but at $929, no, thanks - it will never have a meaningful market

Spectrum Next extends ZX hardware to 28mhz, additional RAM, audio and gfx modes. This enables you to dev software in C, using ASM just for optimizations. And there already are 10-15k system owners. So, if you sell your game to 5k people and make $10 on a copy (you don't pay 30% for platform as on Steam), you made 50k

Breaking news it just got an Amstrad CPC core.

>>11948801


They also say they are doing the last two stretch goals anyway whether they reach the targets or not (Spectrum Next version of Doomdarks revenge and a new Spectrum Next monty mole)

€2,526,274
pledged of €290,466 goal
6,313 backers
3 days to go


"72 hours to go: The CPC core is unlocked!
.....................
We’ll admit we’ve been a touch ambitious with our second batch of stretch goals. In our defence, we had to pull them together in the middle of the night after we ran out of original goals faster than you can load Jetpac. Now, you might be thinking the last two goals, Doomdark’s Revenge and Monty Mole: The Next Episode are out of reach. And you might be right… or not.

Either way, here’s what matters: there’s no universe in which the Spectrum Next misses out on these two gems. We want to play them ourselves, so they’re happening, goal or no goal. So grab a coffee (or a proper cuppa), sit back, and relax. These games are coming to our beloved machine."

DESIGN & GRAPHICS
Kayashii Furio
Hailing from Nakano in Japan, Kayashii-san has been prodding pixels since he first saw a flickering CRT screen in his kindergarten dojo!
A certified Speccy fan with a huge love for converting and modernising original attribute game graphics as well as creating new ones!

He's doing the artwork for the streets of rage Next version stretch goal.

>>11948295 (OP)
Bro, why the fuck is his head and neck so big, but his body is so small, what the fuck

>>11948295 (OP)
>410 fucking dollars

You know, normally I hate seeing people go "shill" every single thread that talks about any product... but...

https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/106265037/

This could not possibly be any more obvious of a shill topic

>>11949217
>Bro, why the fuck is his head and neck so big
Enormous brain probably

>>11949229
I posted a thread on /h/ too since its also very techy, I'm not a shill I'm genuinely ethusiastic about it I ahve nothing to do with the team and nothing to do with their marketing or anything other than myself. If you don;t like it don't buy it. On the other hand stopping people even talking about it is just being am asshole.

>>11949229
Nice reddit spacing there

>>11949229
You must be very angry it is such a sucess and again I'm not a shill, I think its cool and I'm telling other anons who might like it. If you miss these it's years before there is another.

>>11948295 (OP)
I have a +2B and a MiSTer. I don't really need anything else for Spectrum.

>>11949268
Fair enough, I have a 48K model one a 48K model 4, an an interface 2 and joysticks a 128K Spectrum 3 and a The Spectrum from retro games witha usb 9 pin joystick adaptor. I've wanted a Next for ages but they are very expensive on egay etc

>>11949289
>48K model 3
sry typo its fried though, I need to replace the meory on it, I had to replace the keboard membrane and crecap the model 1 but it's in good order now and so is the interface 1. I have a few lightguns too the stack light rifle and the one that came with the spectrum 3

>>11949298
>stack light rifle

>>11949241
Did you seriously just reply to that post twice? Having a bit of trouble keeping your shill team synchronized are we?

>>11949298
>the one that came with the spectrum 3
random pic form internets, this was a hunt becaus it supports operation wolf with a lightgun on the Spectrum 3

>>11949241
Anyone who wants to make an investment can pick one up now and re-sell it years later for bank. It's going to become pretty much impossible to get original Speccys at all in coming years and there will be demand.

>>11949304
a)I'm not a shill I just love this project and 8 bit computers
b)Your just a sad cunt no more (you)s

>>11949289
>>11949298
I bought the +2B Action Set and imported it from the UK. It has a gun with it.
I think it's this one.
>>11949314

>>11949316
>Anyone who wants to make an investment can pick one up now and re-sell it years later for bank. It's going to become pretty much impossible to get original Speccys at all in coming years and there will be demand.
Well Its a struggel with the 48ks I had to get replacement membranes from a guy in Croatia and there can be some pretty heavy soldering involved, replacing bad memory is a real pain. I do;t knwo if theyw ill ever be worth massive money. The draw of the next for me is the fact that it has the edge connector on the board for the specrum peripherals and stuff like the C and basic compilers as well as the assembler IDE. It may not have much of a fanbase on here but a shitton of people love it and it has massive support. I never had a spectrum 2, I oly had the 3 I should pobably pick one up while they are still around, then I just need a zx80, zx81 (I had one but it got lost in life) and Specrum+ a QL. I w at to pick up an interface one as well, I had one and microdrives but they got lost in time and space as well along with my multiface and speech synth. I'm going to program a sentry gun for it using a relay IO board and then port some games I wrote for the spectrum onto it and update them

>>11949326
>I bought the +2B Action Set and imported it from the UK. It has a gun with it.
>I think it's this one.
You should get the copy of operation wolf that came with the specrum 3 action pack becaus eit works with the light gun, just checked and it is on world of spectrum, should work with the 2 cannot think any reason it would not between this and the massive demand and the sellout of THe Spectrum form retrogames there is quite a spectrum revival going on. I even found a few of my old copies of Sinclair User and Computer and Video games. Did you write listings?

There is enough astroturfing here to fill a dozen baseball stadiums

>11949345
You could not be more wrong you are just too lacking in knowlege to understand a lot of people like 8 bit computers because you're stupid so need to listen to the voices in your head to make sense of it. Excuse me I've a picture to post. Do fuck off if you have nothing to say about 8bits or the next or post something less smelly and boring. Spamming thesame retarded paranoiac shit is not cool

This is OP phone posting because this is a pic from the letters page if a 1985 February copy of your computer bemoaning the death if the Vic 20 and the art if programming on machines with tiny amounts of memory (not me). Kind of cool though. People like the prick trolling here just don't get it

>>11949339
>Did you write listings?
... what?
I'm going to be honest. My number 1 reason for buying the +2B is because of the game Stories Untold. The first part of that game is an interactive text adventure and the computer you play on is a +2B. My now wife and I sat down and played through all of the game's chapters together. It's an incredible experience.
I wasn't able to get much software for the Spectrum. I got one of the older cassettes that was released for the platform that was some kind of animal game. Right after I got the Spectrum was when importing things from the UK started to get more expensive. I was able to get a pretty sizeable collection of Amstrad games on cassette, but not really spectrum. And then prices for shipping kept going up and I stopped wanting to collect and import more platforms from the UK. I have a first run Atari 1040STE and the Spectrum +2B from the UK. And I think that's good enough. All my Amiga stuff is from the USA since that wasn't nearly as difficult to find here as an Atari STE was.

>>11949365
I've not played it, I will look it up and give it ago, I loved test adventures, I used write listings in basic and post them into computer magazines and they would occasionally get published for people to type in very basic versions of stuff like centipede. I have a lot of old retro systems and consoles, from teh 2600 through ponng machines up to PS1/PS2 etc etc but my true first love was the spectrum.
>>11949365
>Atari 1040STE
Nice. Amigas are sweet too.

You know you can get an SD flash card reader for your 2B and then save the taps from world of spectrum onto a card and play them on it? Do you have a joystick for it?
e.g
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/336098915746
You might like this list
https://worldofspectrum.net/archive/best-adventures/

It's really nice to make your acquaintence. Have you seen 'The Spectrum' from retrogames? Its nice too but simply a 48K form factor emulator and has no hardware periphera interface etc (or c compiler...)

>>11949364
well I fucked that up completely here....

>>11949364
He makes a great point about computing, gaming and also having to work and create something under restraints.

>>11949365
>Stories Untold
Ah ok I se eso thsi was not actual a spectrum hame but a level in agame where you played a test adventure on a virtual spectrum in the game. Coolio. Have you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wnRi3Sclm8

I'd kind of only want one for the keyboard. I honestly dont give a fuck about the improved 'next' features, the games just end up looking like pc homebrew remakes from the early 2000's.
I already have a mister than can run a Next core and dont really bother with it, I just stick to the original 48/128.

>>11949412
He does. Same on the ZX81, there was guy who wrote a full playable one payer chess in urder 700 bytes which is insanely talented. I posted about it here but I don't think it was of interest to many anons The spectrum left me with habit of getting things done in very small statsically linked files, even for win32 stuff not just handhelds and consoles, like 64K compilied in my dev career and I spent a lot of time workng on bioss sdks drivers all that good stuff . I'm going to have a lot of fun with having an IP stack on the Next which I'm hoping will be raw sockets that will be interesting with Z90 assembler/compiled basic and C etc

Here's the board I'm going to use for my sentry gun
Camera will be a wired composite steam to a headset or maybe over UHF wireless

>>11949361
Absolutely madling this his obvious shilling is being called out. Exact same reaction in the thread on /g/, tried to pretend that multiple anons are genuinely interested in this thing, and when his obvious shilling was called out he went mask off and just started hurling insults and being butthurt.

https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/106265037/#p106267278

Name a single time anyone here was THIS into any Kickstarter project. Half these posts "excited" about it sound like they came from an AI. Any other time the Spectrum is mentioned here people just joke and meme about it, but a Kickstarter project that is about to end based on one is posted and suddenly everyone is creaming their pants over it? On 4chan? Fuck off, nobody is falling for your samefagging just like nobody on /g/ fell for it.

>>11949425
The games written for the next itself look very good though ports I mentioned above like head over heels. I particular want the next versions of lord of midnight and doomdarks revenge as well as the 3D game that the next lead guy is writing as well as the one the japanese dude is doing the art for. Iove the fact they ship physical copies as well. You should pick up an SD card reader for you 2b like the one linked too there.
>>11949394
>https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/336098915746

>11949437
OH FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING SKITZO BORE AND TAKE YOUR DISCORD TROONS WITH YOU

>>11949449
>Absolutely malding
Kek, you failed catastrophically at attempting to shill this garbage. I have never seen a shillfag have such a meltdown before. You're not cut out for this. Go back and try to advertise on reddit or bluesky some more, they will probably fall for it.

>>11949394
>You know you can get an SD flash card reader for your 2B and then save the taps from world of spectrum onto a card and play them on it? Do you have a joystick for it?
I guess it's called the Action Pack and not Set... Any way this is what I have. This is not my exact one, I bought mine years ago, but this is what I imported. Also my box isn't in as good of shape as the one in the video.
Also, I bought a divMMC Future for it.
https://youtu.be/pzUpfvAwLW0

>>11949415
No, I wasn't familiar with Bandersnatch from Black Mirror. I started a download to check that out.
Yes, it's a modern game. Just a little older than that Bandersnatch film. The demo / first chapter of the game is an interactive horror text adventure that you play on a +2B inside the game. The game world outside of the text adventure starts to become affected by your actions in the game inside the game. Every chapter is unique in its presentation and play format. It's a shame that the first chapter didn't start a trend for new games. At the time it seemed possible that more people were going to pick up that format and run with it, but it never happened.

>Thinks there is some Super Secret Spectrum Sucks group on Discord whose only purpose is to prowl the internet to shitpost at the mention of Spectrum

No, your obvious shilling is just that obvious. It's also obvious when tourists try to fake actually being from here.

>>11949558
Not the guy you are talking with, but it sounds cool.

I'm not OP and being a 4chan user isn't some cool thing anymore, mainly due to people like you who just shit up the site constantly. Leave the dude alone. If you don't want to talk about games go do something else. The fact that you are in all his threads constantly refreshing the page is just bizarre.

>>11949568
I have no idea what other threads OP has posted, I didn't even post in /g/ at all, so if you think I am some serial Spectrum hater, you're wrong on that one. It doesn't take a genius to see the considerably different and heavy-handed salesman tone of this thread.

Look at this:
>this combined with the C comiler and CP/M etc means it's for me a must have. It's like the premier retro techy machine no competition

Does this read like something someone here would actually say, or more like a magazine ad?

>>11949141
>>11949425
>I honestly dont give a fuck about the improved 'next' features
That's the selling point for me
They take those machines, that you could have emulated since 90s, and give them a new life
I wouldn't have paid for just Spectrum or just C64, but they extend the specs making development for them feasible and it's interesting to push new boundaries
So this is a development ecosystem whereas MiSTer just gobble things up like RetroArch

Here's some of what dev says in Retcon:
>"For something to go in it has to be legal, it has to be complete and it has to be NEXT-ified. NEXTified means we take it a step further, like with the Spectrum. The QL core right now has 65k colors, it has AY audio and we'll probably put SID in there. It connects to internet and speaks to FAT32 HDDs"
>"It was always our plan to get here. Actually our plan is to get further than here."
"Commodore will be in there at least 1st iteration. We promise that we're going to expand it."
>"Every single machine we touch, it's going to be the machine in its core and we're going to improve upon it."
>"QL is a full 32bit machine running 68020 at 44MHz right now. It's one of the fastest 68k machines you can get."
>"If you're expecting Amiga, you should, because it's coming."
>"The whole point is: if the C64 is properly NEXTified as we have it in our brains, let's say it's kind of like the thing the guys from C65 did."
>"Our pledge is always that whatever we touch, we want to make it better. So you're going to get Commodore as well, it's going to be a better Commodore. And you're going to get Amiga, it's going to be a better Amiga. You're going to get Atari ST? You're going to get a better Atari ST. And you are getting those things, trust me."
>"What we hope is that to every person that comes in from specific retro community, to be able to give him the same sense of community. And to help him to have a brand new piece of hardware that can run his favorite software and maybe improve upon it."

>>11949642
>it has to be complete and it has to be NEXT-ified

They're going to... turn it into a Unix-based Japanese computer made by Steve Jobs in the late 80s?

boys, we're over 3mil USD
also hottest kickstarter project in a while
https://www.kicktraq.com/
omg, can't stop jizzing my pants rn
please send help

>>11949642
>"The whole point is: if the C64 is properly NEXTified as we have it in our brains, let's say it's kind of like the thing the guys from C65 did."
But there is already a C65? Why bother?
>And you're going to get Amiga, it's going to be a better Amiga. You're going to get Atari ST? You're going to get a better Atari ST. And you are getting those things, trust me.
Sure, I'm waiting for a better PC Jr/Tandy 1000 now.
They should really just focus on Spectrum and be more conservative about things that they add. The reason I suggested things like CPC and MSX in one of the earlier posts is because they are kind of like Spectrum cousins and you can derive and make similar adjustments to all of them.
Now rather than the ultimate Spectrum, Next seems more like just some retro-esque hobby platform, of which there are a dime a dozen.

>>11950653
Rumoud they are going to add Amiga next >>11950653
>I suggested things like CPC
They have now added CPC since you posted it was one of their stretch goals on the kickstarter

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/spectrumnext/zx-spectrum-next-issue-3-0/posts/4444357

Just some more pages from 'your computer' 1984 covering some ads for all the computers mentioned

more

some more

mor

Atari

spme more and then I found some msx got the msx anon

msx

more msx

A dragon and tandy users convention 1984

old game ads 1

more old game adds

game adds

game ads

game ad

Old activision ad

Mor game ad

Game ad the mor

Joystick ad

Ultimate Play the Game ad

More ultimate

Final one for good luck

Thanks for all the nice pics, gets me inspired to play.
Also, only two days left!

>>11948295 (OP)
Sell me on this OP. As someone who uses a ZX +2 and C64 and various other original micros, what is special about this machine that I should be excited about as a gaming platform.

>>11952261
>what is special about this machine that I should be excited about
it's tranny-free

>>11952261
Well also have original spectrums rubber key 48Ks with joystick interfaces, tape loading and RF (yes not even the composite mod) as well as a spectrum 3 with teh 3 inch disk drive and I have one of retrogames the spectrum rubber keyed 48k spectrum form factor.

The retro gmes the spectrum is going to meet most peoples needs, its a very very nicely done machine, the fact that it has the xact physical keyboard of teh 48K spectrum also means it can take the keyboard overlays than came with games like lords of mignight, elite, doomdarks revenge, loan wold etc. It has no sinclair peripheral bus, can't load from tape and does not have 9 pin Atari style D joystick ports. It is however a great machine will do 128 K emulation is easy to use has a nice UI and all in all is a good thing, the price is far lower as well. I got a USB to 9 pin joystick adaptor for it and it's going to be good for a lot of people, its particularly easy to take a USB key filled with TAP files from world of spectrum or mobi games and put it on it.

The next is a much more substantial beast if you are into coding or want additional emulation cores, is got quite a decent CPU in it as wll as an 'accelerator' an additional Pi subsystem in some variations. It has the sinclair peripheral bus on the main PCB as well as having audio loading and saving and the atari joystic ports etc and much more grahics and audio ability, on top of that it is a system in its own right, the Next has its own games library which takes advantage of all the improvments like multi channels sound, sprites etc etc to give new and improved versions of clasic games like head over heels and lord of midnight as well as new games. It also has a C and assembler IDE, there are a trange of composition and graphics editing tools etc etc. On Top of that it does multiple 'cores' different machines being emulated on it, such as the C64, Amstrad CPC, different spectrums as well as the QL. I'm hoping they also do an Amiga 500.

>>11948320
does it have anything more interesting than generic platformer games?

>>11952376
contd
The next also has wifi and even a gopher client that allows direct digital downloads of software and games. Its also got C/PM via the Spectrum 3 pedigree So it's a much much more capable machine that offers the whole next (the next spectrum) on top of emulations for specrtums and other machines. It can run games like sentinel at accelerated speeds improving the game play as well..... if you want a simply emulator you might be better off with 'The Spectrum' from retrogames, if you want a full emulation system plus the spectrum next computer itself as well as joystick ports and a spectrum peripheral interface, audio tape development system and access to the next software libary which is quite good etc etc then you wnat the spectrum. Now I'm into old 8 bit computers and mised the last kicktarter for it which was in 2020 and I missed it. I have been waiting five fucking years to get one. As you can imagine I'm excited about this, a lot of spectrum nerds are, that's why its go so many backs so fast. It may be for you it may not be but you won't find it easy to get one if you decide you wnat it later as it waill be resold for 100s more than the kickstarter price.

The next is going to have close to 20,000 units inn the wild now with a high percentage owned by old games devs and turbo autist nerds so it will be very interesting to see what arrives in the next five years on it. I will be writing games and porting games I wrote too it for sure. I'll try and write a 4 chan browser and posting client for it too (no images)

I'm not a 'shill' for it. Its a big deal in a sections of the nerd universe and there is a lot of excitment around it,as there was for 'The Spectrum' by retrogames (which if I was a shill I would not mention at all).

>>11952386
I know you are just trolling but does a full C and basic compilier sound like more than just >>11952386
>generic platformer games
Which is not even a fraction of the spectrum library to begin with, in fact the spectrum is far more associated with isometric games, arcade ports and text adventures as well as the software houses, ultimate play the game, imagine, TAS, Beyond, Durrel Software, Quicksilva, Hewson Consultants,Psion, Microprose, US Gold, Activision etc, it does have a few very famous platformers but you knew that and are just trying to troll and b8 for (you)s, there have been quite a few specrtum threads on this board by now and stuff like Elite or Lords of midnight are not platformers and in no way 'generic'.

€2,622,408 pledged of €289,613 goal
6,570 backers
45 hours to go

>>11951729
I frgit about the prince until I took a pictiure of that ad from 1984, it was a neat little RPG game that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwrqJnf4ww

Dev from Revolution Software (Beneath a Steel Sky) is hyped
https://youtu.be/m_BfdQj9B1E?t=900

>>11949217
Manlet problems
guarantee he's about 5'6

>>11952395
>it does have a few very famous platformers
Yes and a huge number of low effort clones of those famous platformers. Though I'm not sure this genre matches the average zoomer's expectation of a "generic" platformer, the typical speccy platformer had its own set of tropes and conventions that sets it quite apart from the SMB branch of games that's still going strong. They dominated the library before the isometric games became the next big thing.

>>11952675
I imagine you pissing and sharting yourself while you rock back and forth writing that utter shit, There were plenty of platformers many good ones that people remember and moutainns of RPGs, Text adventures, arcade ports, 3D games and most clasically isometric games associated with the spectrum. You don't know anything about the library for it. Why are you posting in this thread? Why don't you fuck off and sniff your own farts and giggle to yourself somewhere else?

>>11952675
>SMB branch of games
You've not come into this theard to try and spam about fucking mario have you you complete dickhead because you feel threatend about somthing else being on the board? What a sad fuck you really are. The ZX spectrum was out before the NES. In fact the spectrum was out in 1982 and your fucking NES was out in the US in Octoioivber 85. Nearly four fucking years So tell me again which sytem got plagarised? It always amazes me now your nintendo trolls managed to know so fucking little about other systems while being so devoted to trying to derail threads out them. Fuck off and die. Mario and Nintendo is off topic.

>>11951594
>>11950653
Was just reading that the Amstrat CPC that we are getting on the Spectrum Next will be Amstrad CPC 6128 which was the 128K one with the ability to run C/PM, ait was backward compatibe with the Amstrad CPC 464 though so we get all that libary working and we also get the
CPC 6128 compatibility.

Pic related Roguecraft which was first released on the Amiga is gettinga dedicated C Spectrum Next release

>>11952731
What? I never claimed those other types of games didn't exist. What kind of a schizo maniac am I talking to? You can't deny there were hundreds of these games out there.
Actual RPGs were kind of underrepresented though, although adjacent genres like text and icon based adventures were plenty. I assume the tape-based mass storage was to blame, saving and loading games was rather bothersome, though that didn't stop people from playing Elite.

>>11952750
What? Yes, the lineage of modern indie 2D platformers can be traced straight back to SMB, which kinda changed the template of what a platformer is. This is the style of platformer that zoomers like you are familiar with.
The classic JSW style flip screen platformer isn't really being made anymore, by indies or otherwise, though the Spectrum was flooded with them.

>>11952763
You're off topic and troilling the thread. There is no other purpose to the posts you are making which are borderline nonsensical and about an irrelevent system that launch in the years after the Spectrum released. I know the board is effectively unmoderated for people like you but if you need (you)s form people who like actual retro games and sytems to stop you from dying of lonliness, don't worry, none of us give a shit if you kys. I'm not replying to you because everything you write is lies and off topic.

>11952756
>Actual RPGs were kind of underrepresented though, although adjacent genres like text and icon based adventures were plenty. I assume the tape-based mass storage was to blame, saving and loading games was rather bothersome, though that didn't stop people from playing Elite.


Typing completely random words there which absolutely no truth at all just random world salad

Why would a tape for one genre of game work but not for another? How would the system have been sucessful if tapes did dot work (they still mosly work perfectly 40 years later too)Who cares let's just spam garbage into a thread. Let's pretend there were not 100s of RPGs for the spectrum as well....

Can I pirate all the new games? Otherwise I'm not paying that price tag.

>>11952856
many are free
but you can pirate them I suppose
I want the next version of way of the exploding fist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Y6k6f492I

>>11948295 (OP)
can this run arch or windows?

>>11952919
no the most modern OS on it is Next OS while gives you file management, basic etc, network config, utilities, gopher, core management etc, I don't think you wull get any version of windows on it, you might be able to get some wierd build of linux on it as you can make that run on most things if you have the will power but why would you do that? Its not a Linux machine it's the enxt version fo the spectrum, thus the name. I understand it has C/PM support via both the Spectrum 3 and Amstrad C128 which for someone like me who still has originnal Zork for M/PM on 5.35 inch floppy is kind of cool but not what you are after. It just makes no sense to but windows or linux on it. I gues sif you want to make a linux build go for it but you figure it out, why would you do that though?

>>11952919
TLDR
Windows No
Linux maybe but why
Next OS is not linux or Windows based. Its another OS entirely

>>11952939
>Zork for M/PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP/M

ZX bros, we're so back!

>>11952919
Even better. It can run SymbOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=940L9_7h22o

>>11953392
http://www.symbos.de/
http://www.symbos.de/blog.htm

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God demonstration of the sinclair peripheral port being used on a kiststarter 2 model

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9WpjYkuvkk

PLugs in an interace 1 to a Spectrum next and then pulgs an interface 2 into the back of the interface one and then plus a rom cartridge into the interface 2 and it works straight away

https://youtu.be/c9WpjYkuvkk?feature=shared&t=389

>>11953392
I'm assuminng that the KS3 has SymbOS and also ZX80 as well as ZX81 as the KS2 did I must be the only one who does not get the KS3 magenta one people are raving about it everywhere and it reminds be of the old G3 Apple coloured machines which always looked like shit to me. I went for the accelerated one (with the additional rasberry Pii pre installed) in black and the printed manual etc.

I don't get it... what's the difference between project in OP and others mentioned in this thread, and ... me buying a cheap mini PC and emulate the fuck out of any console lol... am I retarded? what did I miss? I mean.. this thing costs nearly a Steam deck which can literally play anything...

>>11949101
I've never seen the appeal of the ZX Spectrum, It's cool they're making reproduction and new retro hardware, don;t get me wrong. I just never saw the appeal of this machine. The framerate is too low, to me it's unplayable. The Atari is a better machine IMO.

I'm not saying it wasn't historically important or there aren't "good" games on it, I wasn't around for it and doesn't appeal to me. Still cool though.

>>11953617
>The Atari is a better machine IMO.
Which atari?
>>11953617
>I've never seen the appeal of the ZX Spectrum
You see those games you love? Most of there developers started by writing games for the spectrum, or more specifically learning to program by tying in listings and having to debug them to find typos. I have a ton of time for Atari but as a range of systems accross the 400/800/1200xl it just did not have the sales to compete and never had the impact of the Spectrum. It was better than the 400/800 which is not a suprise as it release years after it. The other problem was that teh atari machines were uaffordable, the equivalient now of more than 2000 for the 400 and 4000+ dollars for the 800. They were unaffordable and US centric and got eaten alive there by the IIe and Pet and C64 The great games crash hit the US hard while in Europe, Russia etc the miciro computer had developed and army of basement coders. The spectrum is one of the most important machines in computing history for that reason alone, up there with the DDP, the lineage of spectrum programmers is woven into everything from the Playstation SDK and games through to the N64 sdks and games right up through Psion into the devlopment of the PDA and even mobile data by Nokia and Ericson.

>>11953617
>The framerate is too low, to me it's unplayable.
Yeah well you never played Elite or Lords of midnight, RType, Lightforce, etc etc. Its a circular converation with the same fairly stale nonsense unless you think framerate impacted a game like sherlock, the boggit or Lord fo the rings.....arcade games like pheenix, penetrator or ports of pac man etc etc were perfectly good, you just don't even know they exist. The 'frame rate' on the spectrum was 50Hz, same as any PAL system and that's where your seemingly plauible post begins to break down and stop making sense.

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Listen dude, the issue here that people have is you can emulate the C64 extremely accurately with VICE, there is a similarly accurate Spectrum, etc. There's not a lot of new software, what's the appeal of this thing unless you had a Spectrum as a kid? If you did that sounds cool, it seems you can even hook up tape drives and floppie disquette drives to it.

>>11953873
Read up about Next OS and the fact it has e.g the sinclair peripheral bus, there is a reason this has raised a massive amout of funding, Its far from just nostalia, its not about it just emulating old spectrums (and other systems ) it's that this is the next version of the spectrum and its original designers incoluded a core member from Clive Sinclairs team. I want it for the compilers and Next OS. I already have retro games The Spectrum and original workng spectrums. I want the Next OS and library and development enviroment, I want the C and BASIC compilers and the platform to do my robotics and game development on and I want the peripheral interface, vice does not give you that or an atari joystick adaptor or C/PM . SymbOS etc etc. Its a cool machine, its the first time in five years its become available again and there is massive demand for it. If you miss out you can always go to ebay and pay twice the kickstarter price and get one later
>>11953567
>am I retarded? what did I miss?
A lot. You're focused on the emulations alone and I can see why, there is a lot in it and I hope we get an Amiga 500 core as well. You are missng the bit that NEXT OS is the next version fo the spectrum itself, its evolution, the spectrum with sprites, wifi hdmi, vga, joysticks and nine channel audio and a clock that can run at 27 Mhz etc etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Dickinson

You want to know what I loved about The Spectrum from retrogames, the fact it had an identical form factor complete with rubber keys to the original spectrum 48K, so the keyboard overlays supplied with games would work. Its a neat machine but it has no peripheral bus or anything like Next OS and to get a joystick on it was an additional 40 quid. That's a pure nostaligia quick fix and I love it. I have not modded by 48K spectrums and they connect to a CRT via RF so the HDMI on it was worth it to me alone.

Next K3 I want because its way more than just a spectrum emulator.

>>11953873
This will help explain, a picture is worth a thousand words.

>>11953873
>This will help explain, a picture is worth a thousand words.

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>>11953949
>>11953963
How is this achieved? Are the game rewritten?

Also, will I have to purchase the games or what?

What comes with the Next, besides the Console/keyboard.

>>11953949
>>11953963
OK this is worth it. I'm pre-ordering a chance to get in line to get one.

>>11953996
The sprites were hard-coded with extreme detail and color in most Speccy games, it's only due to the dodgy hardware that they couldn't be displayed properly. It's kind of like scanning a B&W video - you can get a much better result these days, even in color, than you could display at the time when screens were B&W but tape and cameras weren't.

>>11953996
Yes they are ported to run on the Next OS which is not an emulator but runs on the HW.

>>11953996
>What comes with the Next, besides the Console/keyboard
Most of it is listed here
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/spectrumnext/zx-spectrum-next-issue-3-0/description

I got this one
"The ZX Spectrum Next + Accelerator

ZX Spectrum Next computer in all its splendor, with 2Mb RAM, RGB/VGA/HDMI out, 7/14/28Mhz Turbo modes, SD card, PSU, Printed Manual, Wi-Fi module, Real Time Clock and larger core space -- plus an Accelerator board fitted inside"

And it depends which model you get A lot comes with it there are a lot of free games available, I don't think head over heels is free but then again you can buy it on phycial media cased if you want. The next OS had a gopher browser for nertwork access and digital downloads.

NextZXOS itself comes with a shit ton of stuff inluding some dames like warhawk and then there are all the different emulation cores and prsonalities for sinclair, commodore, amstrad, CPM etc
It also has the strech goals (pic related) or should have they have already said they are doing the last two anyway, it will also have everything that came with the first two, it comes on an SD flash card as part of the OS build afaik and there are included games on that.

see
https://www.specnext.com/
for what was on the first two. E.g the picture above Lord of Midnight Next was included for free with version 1/2 and should be again along with the stuff from the new stretch goals, the C and NextBasic compilers and assembler IDE etc, the cores for the Amstrad 6128, Sinclair QL, Commodore 64, Spectrums SymbOS, C/PM (this was part of the Spectrum 3 and Amstrad 6128) etc you'll have to go dig yourself anon. Most Next games are sold though,

>>11954015
You may find that "The Spectum" from retrogames is fine for you instead anon, have a read, you have 28 hours. Read up and check you are comfy. I want it because I'm a bona fida spectrum nerd and missed it in 2020

>>11954021
That's not the case anon, these games are ported to Next OS from the spectrum source code with full rights to take advantage of the new abilities, as the OS is very good on compatibility anyway its less effort soe are scratch written. Then you have all the stuff out in the wild for the cores.

see....https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1755354887376950.gif

>>11954050
>for what was on the first two. E.g the picture above Lord of Midnight Next was included for free with version 1/2 and should be again along with the stuff from the new stretch goals
The screenshot i from a guy talking about the K2 version and that shows what was included with it
from here
https://youtu.be/5xtIX-e1i_o?feature=shared&t=149

So at a minimum we should be gettinng that and the stuff from the stretch goals

>>11954063
I'm sorry but any Speccy fan knows that the sprites in the games are much higher resolution and have more colors than the Spectrum can reproduce, which is why they looked worse on-screen. It's only now due to the Spectrum Next that we can appreciate the ORIGINAL sprites and backgrounds and other graphics in their full detail, as the developer intended. It's really cool.

>>11954102
Why are you lying and shitting up this thread with your bullshit anon. get a fucking life.
>>11954063
>not the case anon, these games are ported to Next OS from the spectrum source code with full rights to take advantage of the new abilities, as the OS is very good on compatibility anyway its less effort soe are scratch written. Then you have all the stuff out in the wild for the cores.

>>11954162
>Why are you lying and shitting up this thread with your bullshit
Why are you trying to denigrate the brilliant Spectrum programmers, who foresaw or envisioned a new and better Spectrum and coded for it? You literally haven't played most Spectrum games as the developers intended. Even they did't know how realistic everything could look.

>>11954167
YOU're off topic and just typic shit into the thread thile you giggle and shit yourself. You are just lying about this nonsense
]>>11954102
>the sprites in the games are much higher resolution and have more colors than the Spectrum can reproduce,

These games are ports to the Next. Why are you trying to fuck over other anons with your bullshit?

>>11954176
You're just pretending to know about the Spectrum now. Stop it. The games had perfect sound and video - the problem was the harware wasn't capable of processing it. But due to the unique way in which the Spctrum stored assets, it allowed a painless and transparend LoD skip so that developers didn't have to CARE if the hardware hadn't caught up to the limits of their skill... until now.

You should be happy but you're all butt hurt.

>>11953912
>You are missng the bit that NEXT OS is the next version fo the spectrum itself, its evolution, the spectrum with sprites, wifi hdmi, vga, joysticks and nine channel audio and a clock that can run at 27 Mhz etc etc
How is that different from shit like PICO-8?
>>11953949
>soul
>soulless
Fucking with Lords of Midnight should be criminal.

>>11948295 (OP)
I decided against it because it doesn't have a real z80, I'll get the new c64 instead. Good thats its getting support, makes it work making games for.

>>11953963
Looks really cool.

>>11954292
fair enough anon. Lots of very cool machines about, The Spectum Next and The Spectrum are obviously my thing. There are a few games I have wanated to sit down and write for a while and frakly IDGAF about windows or linux any more and have written enought software for both. I know nearly everone on this board has used lots of software I wrote I don't care about lots of people using stuff and I have being non anonymous. I want the Next to develop on and do my robitocs stiff on
I'm not saying posting in this thread, the wierd trolls on this board are just too mentally ill and tedious and they don;t even raise a laugh. I'm not a salesman for this, I was just excited about it as a lot fo people are in the retro world and its got a big following. The loon here >>11954290
>>11954202
>>11954021

Is the same dickhead back again and its just easier for him to spray utter shit than it is to give effortpost answers so he wins and has runied the thread. I get what this board is better now and understand its just for posting garbage and trolling and that's what I will use it for from now on. Effortposting here is a waste of time, its just for spam and trolling and a worthless board.. My deepest regret in life is havinng cotributed to Nintendos software libraries seeing what its users have turned out to be here.

>>11948295 (OP)
literal boomer tech
cool.

>>11952783
Those posts weren't "about" NES in any way whatsoever if that's what you're insinuating. Random accusations of trolling is a common troll tactic. But I'll entertain you with a response anyway.
>>11952818
I'll believe you when you can actually list a 100 of these nevaherds.
>How would the system have been sucessful if tapes did dot work
Is that a genuine question? Your lack of reading comprehension aside, it's different to just load a game once and play it versus having to fuck around with tapes to save and load your game progress, which is why games that relied on it weren't usually popular. But I already said that, so why do you struggle.

>>11948295 (OP)
>brits swear by this thing
>literally no games on it

>>11954290
>How is that different from shit like PICO-8?
The intent behind PICO-8/TIC-80 is similar - to recreate the 8bit machine experience, but those are essentially Lua based emulators with artificial restrains.
The games produced on those systems are retro only in appearance. They wouldn't run on anything below 6th gen.
Programming in Lua isn't really challenging and, instead of pushing hardware, you are hacking around limited tokens, so it isn't the same - feels a bit hollow.

>>11953949
>>11953963
Weird. I look at those, and the feel of those "SOVL/SOVLLESS" posts come to mind. Not that there's really anything wrong with the enhanced versions. Feels like I'm looking at side-by-side comparisons of a Spectrum and Amiga ports.

That said. I went all in and backed the project for two units. I'm coming into this an an outsider to the Spectrum. I look forward to trying out a totally foreign system (literally) to me, without all the headaches of jerry rigging obsolete 40 year old hardware into operation. Sometimes I wonder if my Apple IIGS will still work when I pull it out of storage.

>>11954912
truly the PS3 of its time

>>11953661
>Which atari?
2600

>RType
Doesn't this run at <15 frames and this is supposed to be a graphically impressive ZX Spectrum title? I'm not saying the ZX isn't historically important I'm just saying I find it unplayable. It may well be the most important computer ever, I don't dispute it at all. It's an awesome product though, if I liked the ZX I would buy it but I don't.

wish I had more disposable income, it does look cool and I want to get into ZX eventually. But it's a bit pricey and there's other machines I'd rather spend that much money on.
I also remembered I got a Timex in storage, it should be good enough to play some eurojank
>>11954912
had way more games that shit like N64, just wasn't popular in America

Do they offer these for sale through whatever company is making these, outside of the Kickstarter? I am interested in it, but ive been burned by KS more than once. I would gladly just buy one directly from them if they produce extra units beyond the backer units.

>>11957202
From what I make of this an another thread on /g/, only from Kickstarter. eBay has the previous model going for as much as if not more than the original price.
The people behind the campaign have already delivered on two previous iterations of the machine, so I'd wager it's a safe bet.

You got about 20 minutes to decide as of this post.

>>11957167
Maybe if you didn't spend all your time telling strangers how Nintendo raped you you'd still have a job.

>>11957216
Welp, i ended up backing a unit with the accelerator. This is my first time getting involved with any of these modern fpga machines. At the very least if i end up not liking it, i can probably get back what i paid.

>>11957223
lmao you're obsessed with a different anon it seems, he sounds funny tho. N64's tiny catalog still sucks balls

>>11957850
Yep. It's you alright.

>>11957167
>3,638 games
>>cannot name a single one

>>11958335
Hungry Horace
Horace Goes Skiing
Horace Goes Puddle Jumping
Horace and the Spiders
Horace to the Rescue
Horace in the Mystic Woods
Horace and the Visigoths
Horace and the Squeaky Biscut
Horace and the Puppy's Packet
Horace's Typing Adventure
Horace Bingo Night

>>11957240
I went in for two. Going to play the speculation game and hopefully one will subsidize the other.

>>11959219
I love these they're all complete shit

>>11960119
bruh, I should have thought of that

>>11961391
Borne out of seeing what the older ones go for on eBay, indecision over black or purple, and noticing it said "limit 10."
But with 2, I'm already $1k in the hole.

Does anyone have that greentext of the British guy reminiscing about zippy the porcupine on the megadrive with no rainbows at 50hz and how it blew the water out of the speccy?