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Anonymous No.11948584 >>11948681 >>11949374 >>11949769 >>11950634 >>11950695 >>11950902 >>11951871 >>11951917 >>11951929 >>11952879 >>11952995 >>11952998
I wish Majora's Mask didn't exist, or at the least, had nothing to do with OOT. It really diminishes the ending to the game with a lead-in to a dumb sequel story and bad timeline.
Anonymous No.11948597
Okay. Great thread.
Anonymous No.11948628 >>11949832
I feel like watching a competent person play Vidya and not just have elitis views with shitty commentary and weak gameplay
Anonymous No.11948681 >>11949248
>>11948584 (OP)
No it doesn't. Link goes on to have further adventures and look for a old friend. I hate the games where that incarnation of Link has no further life beyond that single title. Every Link should be like Adol in Ys and at minimum get two journeys under their belt before they are scrapped and redesigned.
Anonymous No.11948778 >>11949156 >>11949196 >>11949228 >>11949356 >>11949858 >>11950185 >>11950225 >>11950227 >>11950420 >>11951346 >>11951974 >>11952117
I know how you feel, although it doesn't matter because every work of fiction ultimately stands on its own despite what anyone says. Zelda games in particular should be taken as individual experiences, because there is no coherent plot connecting them whatsoever.

I don't care if MM was made by every person on the OoT team or it was a romhack made by some fat kid 20 years later, it didn't exist when OoT did and OoT's creation was not influenced by it. Ergo, it doesn't effect the story OoT tells. It's like how Nintendo retconnected a bunch of shit years later with Hyrule Historia or how Twilight Princess turned OoT Link into some dead dick wearing a viking helmet; yeah, it might be "canon" according to some nip in an office, but it's not in the actual game, and I just don't care.
Anonymous No.11949156 >>11949163 >>11949373
>>11948778
Still hilarious that Nintendo was so ass mad we rejected WW that they canonically kill off and make into a horrible creature their most popular Link. Nintendo really hates their fans (which you can see even more blatantly to this day). I simply stopped playing Nintendo games after the GameCube (as in no new ones but still replay the classics). They didn’t need my business and I haven’t missed them at all.
Anonymous No.11949163
>>11949156
>I simply stopped playing Nintendo games after the GameCube
As did everyone who approached adulthood at that time lol
Anonymous No.11949196 >>11949331 >>11949752
>>11948778
This is the most autistic sour-grapes post I've ever seen, holy shit, lmao.
Anonymous No.11949228
>>11948778
Who gives a fucking shit retard.
Anonymous No.11949248
>>11948681
>I hate the games where that incarnation of Link has no further life beyond that single title.
Well, that did more or less happen to to at least one of the Links.
Anonymous No.11949302
>he's not OoT Link, he's the manifestation of OoT Link's regret, guys
Anonymous No.11949331
>>11949196
Did you even read it? NTA, but that's not how it comes off to me at all.
Anonymous No.11949356
>>11948778
So what's your headcanon fanfiction? Link and Zelda just standing in sepia land forever?
Anonymous No.11949373 >>11949740
>>11949156
they even invented the concept of "player drift" to schizocope about why everyone hated WW
Anonymous No.11949374 >>11951552
>>11948584 (OP)
I actually agree with OP. MM is fine as a stand alone, experimental concept title, but it adds nothing to the actual experience of OoT aside from showing how far certain things could be taken using its engine and assets. The whole "Link was looking for Navi after she left him in OoT" diminishes the effect of seeing her separate and leave Link there, as it implied that Navi just went away completely and Link saw this as a bad situation to be fixed, rather than a friendly recognition of independence.
Anonymous No.11949740 >>11951837
>>11949373
lol “player drift” never heard that term. And they knew they fucked up because way before release date we got in a ton of those preorder Zelda games (I think it was the one w MM and OoT) just to try and boost preorders and sales. It was like a desperate apology/attempt to lure people to the game, which is bonkers considering how much good will the games had up until that point.
Anonymous No.11949752
>>11949196
you don't have a clue what "sour grapes" means.
Anonymous No.11949769
>>11948584 (OP)
I hate Ocarinafags so fucking much
Anonymous No.11949832 >>11949848 >>11950539
>>11948628
Are you watching other people play games from your cuck chair>
Anonymous No.11949848
>>11949832
That's enough about sports fans anon, this is a retro video games board.
Anonymous No.11949858 >>11950420
>>11948778
>things don't exist until they're made
Wow, mindblowing concept
Anonymous No.11950185 >>11950640
>>11948778
>because there is no coherent plot connecting them whatsoever.
There was until they started fucking up with MM and WW.
Anonymous No.11950225
>>11948778
>It's like how Nintendo retconnected a bunch of shit years later with Hyrule Historia or how Twilight Princess turned OoT Link into some dead dick wearing a viking helmet; yeah, it might be "canon" according to some nip in an office, but it's not in the actual game, and I just don't care.
They didn't retcon anything regarding that in Hyrule Historia; the Hero's Shade knows a bunch of songs that OoT/MM Link learned in his journeys, is left-handed like Link, and literally refers to Link as his descendant. People immediately connected the dots when the game released back then, but it looks like you were just too retarded.
Anonymous No.11950227
>>11948778
>I don't care what the creators of this series say, I know better!
Hello Dobson.
Anonymous No.11950298 >>11950516 >>11950897
Majora and Ocarina complement each other perfectly.
Anonymous No.11950420
Most of the time creatives are thinking ahead while they create. To say that they weren't thinking anout MM while they made OoT is just ignorant and stupid. They absolutely were.
>>11948778
>>11949858
Everything exists outside of time. Did you learn nothing from the games about time?
Anonymous No.11950516 >>11950864 >>11950897
>>11950298
Not really, Majora is dependent on Ocarina but it doesn't really add to it. Playing Majora's Mask didn't change my view of Ocarina of Time.
Anonymous No.11950539 >>11950637
>>11949832
Never thought about it like that....
I guess watching others play video games (on youtube or twitch) is kinda like cuckoldry. you're watching some guy fuck the girl you like (except the girl is a videogame) sitting there in your cuck chair, while you get none of the pleasure he is getting from playing the game
Anonymous No.11950634
>>11948584 (OP)
its a gaiden
Anonymous No.11950637 >>11950716
>>11950539
Imagine people sitting around watching other people play games for a living. Even worse if they're bringing in a salary for it. This shit never happened until youtube and twitch came along.
Anonymous No.11950640 >>11950745 >>11951513 >>11951557
>>11950185
This can't be emphasized enough. OoT came out and massively expanded the execution of the overall story of the series, giving everything a proper origin and ending on a beautiful melancholic climax that set up the other already existing games. It really succeeded at feeling incredibly epic, in a way few games could come close to. Like, did people forget how cool it was to see AoL establish the whole Triforce of three pieces, courage appearing as a mark on Link's hand, Ganon being resurrect-able, there being many generations of princess Zelda going back ages who can come into play etc. then eventually OoT coming up as a fully realized version of the LttP Imprisoning War which establishes Ganondorf as his own character with a past and history and has the fight against him become a coming of age story through multiple periods years apart that plays out due to his trickery taking advantage of Zelda's eagerness to do good.

People were, at this point, perfectly in the right to expect series of games that progressed and moved forward to allow the existing story to take place, but to also take advantage of it and do other things without stepping on it, to maintain the sense of a cohesive legend. This is why people were perfectly justified in wanting a set timeline established, to prevent someone like Aonuma from just waltzing in and messing around with what had already been done well. Now everything is a bloody mess and there's barely anything to be helped anymore.
Anonymous No.11950695
>>11948584 (OP)
>It really diminishes the ending to the game
you mean the one that explicitly and deliberately leaves the main plot - link lost his childhood - point unresolved
Anonymous No.11950716
>>11950637
I have had alot of fun watching people play games tho, Lirik is really funny, and his streams of playing worms and other multiplayer games together with his friends Shortyguy and GiantWaffle were so much fun, too bad they stopped because waffle got accused of sexual assault and made the chat unbearable when waffle was on the stream
https://youtu.be/vi3KQg6x12c
Anonymous No.11950745
>>11950640
>People were, at this point, perfectly in the right to expect series of games that progressed and moved forward to allow the existing story to take place, but to also take advantage of it and do other things without stepping on it, to maintain the sense of a cohesive legend. This is why people were perfectly justified in wanting a set timeline established, to prevent someone like Aonuma from just waltzing in and messing around with what had already been done well. Now everything is a bloody mess and there's barely anything to be helped anymore.

so i'm hearing

>masses were set up to expect zelda would become hollywood slop
>wise yamato drew up the drawbridge with an esoteric masterpiece that divided the population
Anonymous No.11950751 >>11950857 >>11951560
ocarina fags are the dumbest retards. The ending is a tragedy, link's life was full of pain and character growth. Zelda gave him a chance to have a life, which link used to help people.
He saved the most people in majoras thanks to the life he lived in the old timeline.
>but WAAAAHHH he didnt married zelda
Anonymous No.11950857 >>11951186
>>11950751
>he didnt married zelda
He got Malon, scrub. Marrying Zelda would be like marrying his sister.
Anonymous No.11950864 >>11950897
>>11950516
>but it doesn't really add to it
It's literally an extension of the story. It "adds to it" by definition.
Anonymous No.11950897 >>11951023
>>11950298
he's right

>>11950516
>>11950864
you're both wrong

MM is zelda gaiden. zelda side story. it's self contained but in such a way that it forms a tiny inset diorama within the larger universe of OoT. think of it like, imagine if there were an entire separate animal crossing game INSIDE the hovels of Kakariko Village. MM is like that, it's like if falling down the well led to a whole separate hyrule.
Anonymous No.11950902
>>11948584 (OP)
You can completely ignore their connection. I didn’t even understand that aspect as a kid.
Anonymous No.11951023 >>11951090 >>11951218
>>11950897
Except I'm not wrong and nothing you said proves that I am. You have to prove MM doesn't add to OoT, which is a tall order considering MM is one of two sequels to OoT.
Anonymous No.11951090 >>11951116
>>11951023
One of two sequels? You better not say TP is a sequel because their ass mad people didn’t love their new direction w Zelda and felt forced back into the same style art direction for OoT and that whole supposed Link from OoT is this dead monster thing is just proof of how butt hurt they were if that’s true. Idk tho I quit the Zelda series when I saw the first clips of WW. I do need to give it an honest play through but I just hate the look and even its most rabid defenders still admit it’s an unfinished game w the overworld being empty or however you want to frame it. But yeah fuck Nintendo if I do play TP eventually and they say that’s the OoT MM link. Even back then if I had heard that I would’ve been like, “oh what horse shit!”
Anonymous No.11951116 >>11951135
>>11951090
Settle down and learn how to communicate properly. WW is the other sequel to OoT, ya noob.
Anonymous No.11951135 >>11951201
>>11951116
Don’t tell me to calm down! I’m fucking calm. I am a fucking cool ass cucumber mother fucker don’t you ever forget.

Also how is WW in anyway a sequel to OoT and MM
Anonymous No.11951186
>>11950857
>not marrying his sister
link is literally gay
Anonymous No.11951201 >>11951434
>>11951135
>Also how is WW in anyway a sequel to OoT and MM
Did you ever actually play it?
Anonymous No.11951218 >>11951893
>>11951023
you're wrong because viewing them as quantities you can add and subtract from is wrong, i reject the premises of your question and i take issue with your framing of the matter entirely. "side story" means something different and peculiar to each case and can't be reduced to these terms. i wouldn't say MM's appearance "uncompletes" OoT by being added to it, for instance.
Anonymous No.11951236
>Another fucking Zelda thread
Saaaaaage
Anonymous No.11951346
>>11948778
>OoT's creation was not influenced by it.
In a way it was, since OOT was always meant to have an expansion.
Anonymous No.11951434
>>11951201
No I haven’t and I said as much.
Anonymous No.11951513
>>11950640
>ending on a beautiful melancholic climax that set up the other already existing games.
OoT already screwed up by not having Ganondorf actually get the entire triforce before being sealed.
Anonymous No.11951552
>>11949374
At the same time, you can imply the journey in Termina and ending of MM is Link coming to terms with the fact he may never find his friend again and accepting that. It would have been neat though to have an end scene of navi maybe watching over her old friend from some etheral fairy realm while he is on his journeys. Or if Wind Wanker or Twilight Princess maybe had a great fairy that had some implications may have been Navi.
Anonymous No.11951557
>>11950640
I actually think the timeline split was a good idea, since it fits the whole plot of OoT. It's just that Nintendo sucks ass at maintaining interconnected plot details, and no that doesn't mean they have to be super anal about plot points, but they slowly just started treating the franchise like its Mario lore.
Anonymous No.11951560
>>11950751
I wonder if the same people who think each Link should only have 1 adventure, are also allergic to the Ys franchise and how its MC goes on multiple kingdom saving quests as a roaming hero. Would they just be satisfied if this immortal reincarnation just does one thing in each of their lifetimes, and then just fucks off and dies?
Anonymous No.11951837 >>11951898
>>11949740
Yeah, Nintendo is on record for saying Wind Waker and other low sales in Japan were because Japanese people just didn't *want* to play video games anymore.
https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/feature/13085/eiji-aonumas-gdc-2007-presentation

>We completed work on the Japanese version of Wind Waker at the end of 2002, and at E3 2003, we announced that the North American version, which was released at the beginning of the same year, had sold up to a million copies. But the truth of the matter was that the game did not fare as well in Japan. I won’t go into exact numbers, but it was enough to show us the difference in the degree of enthusiasm between the Japanese and North American markets.
>It had become clear that the Japanese market was moving away from games, in what we have come to call “gamer drift." The upper management at Nintendo knew that it had to come up with a solution to this phenomenon.
Anonymous No.11951871
>>11948584 (OP)
>Timeline
literally the dumbest shit
Anonymous No.11951893
>>11951218
>premises of your question
We're not talking about land or a building and I didn't ask a question. It's called Majora's Mask, not Zelda Gaiden. If they wanted to stick with "side story", then they would've named it as such in the finished product.
Anonymous No.11951898
>>11951837
>gamer drift
Brings a whole new meaning to Tokyo drift.
Anonymous No.11951917 >>11952424
>>11948584 (OP)
MM is the greatest artistic work to exist in video games but since gamers are so fucking stupid no one truly understands this game yet
but they will some day
Anonymous No.11951929 >>11951936
>>11948584 (OP)
i wish the zelda franchise didn't exist so you people could move on with your sad lives
Anonymous No.11951936 >>11951942 >>11951947
>>11951929
t. the guy who shits on a dildo every time an OoT secrets thread gets posted
Anonymous No.11951942 >>11951945
>>11951936
Nta, but there's many of us who think that thread is horrible. It definitely makes me second guess the oot cult idea.
Anonymous No.11951945 >>11951962
>>11951942
>doesn't even deny that he's the same fag
lmao
Anonymous No.11951947 >>11951952
>>11951936
OoT is the most overrated zelda of them all and completely unremarkable in every way.
Anonymous No.11951952
>>11951947
Damn bro, sorry your mom didn't buy you zelder sixty four-uh for chrimbus of '98. I guess it's all Link's fault and shit.
Anonymous No.11951958 >>11951990 >>11952084 >>11952983
That anon is right. The timeline shit is absolutely fucking retarded. Most games have obviously no connection whatsoever and just exist in some random sliding timescale like comic books. The weird need to link every single game together is so stupid
Anonymous No.11951962 >>11951967
>>11951945
I'm not though, because there's more than one of us. Last time I didn't even post in that thread, but some anon went off still. You're precum if you think that thread is acceptable here. People complain about everything here, people hate oot here. Are you mental?
Anonymous No.11951967 >>11951976
>>11951962
>us
Anonymous No.11951974
>>11948778
>it doesn't matter because every work of fiction ultimately stands on its own
Finally somebody fucking says it
Anonymous No.11951976 >>11951995
>>11951967
There's been multiple anons in the last handful of posts in this thread all saying similar things, but yeah we're all just one person. You're certifiable, but that's not surprising considering you're an oot cultist.
Anonymous No.11951990 >>11952407
>>11951958
>Most games have obviously no connection
Most of the games do have a connection.
Anonymous No.11951995 >>11952008
>>11951976
>I swear dude everybody agrees with me that OoT is gay and there's lot of people that think making threads about the cool stuff to find in OoT is gay, also you're a cultist n' stuff because the game is gay
Lel.
Anonymous No.11952008 >>11952014
>>11951995
>Lel
ok, you're already in denial, but lel? Why are you even here? Don't you have some sort of Nintendo cult ritual to attend on "le reddit"
Anonymous No.11952014 >>11952019
>>11952008
>Why are you even here?
I came here to call you gay.
Anonymous No.11952019
>>11952014
And you couldn't even do that right. Sad really.
Anonymous No.11952084
>>11951958
t. retard
Anonymous No.11952117
>>11948778
OoT wasn't influenced by Majora's Mask, but Majora's Mask was influenced by OoT and was a game in development directly off the heels of Ocarina and carries all its momentum and energy.
If MM were a sequel to any other Zelda it would be radically different, What makes Majora's Mask special is that it's a decent chunk of OoT's devs making a sequel under strict deadlines whilst maintaining and iterating on the gameplay, continuity and aesthetics of Ocarina. It's a game that stands on its own, but stands even stronger as a companion piece to OoT.
Anonymous No.11952407
>>11951990
>Most of the games do have a connection.
hes one of those gamers that skips literally every cutscene and looks at his phone while mashing a during dialogue
Anonymous No.11952424
>>11951917
it's baffling how much of an absolute pleb filter MM is to this very day.
traily !!zLGKB/yRaFq No.11952879
>>11948584 (OP)
Majora's Mask shouldn't have been a Zelda game. It should have been an original IP. Like what Starfox Adventures might have been if it was just Dinosaur Planet as originally intended. The "Legend of Zelda" things are the weak links in the Majora's Mask experience.
Anonymous No.11952936
why does everything have to be connected and make sense and be explained to you? is this an autism thing?
OP No.11952983
>>11951958
yeah, tendies want zelda to be a marvel multiverse. so gay.
Anonymous No.11952995
>>11948584 (OP)
I just see it as a "pls make a sequel to this successful game so we can make more money" type of game. It's just a side quest. I don't need to know what exactly Link did once he came back to his own time. He completed his quest.
Anonymous No.11952998
>>11948584 (OP)
so sick of zelda
such shit
Anonymous No.11953010
Ocarina is a stand alone epic. The beginning of the game features an in depth genesis of Hyrule. Link sets out from there and ends his adventure by sealing away the eternal evil. In the end credits we see a desolate and abandoned hyrule. It is abandoned, shrubs are growing everywhere and stones are pulling up. Where are all the people. Everyone (everyone) is at lon long ranch, safe and sound, having a party. The part is never ending. Fear, sickness, hunger, and death are gone from the world. From afar, the saints watch from Mt Olympus. The ending of OoT depicts the biblical ending of the world just as it features it's creation. There are no games after OoT. Or so, Zelda is a product and so just like the hero's King Arthur and Hercules, the adventure never truly ends. There will always be more stories about link. Just know, that as it is written and produced, OoT is a stand alone story with a complete beginning middle and end.
Anonymous No.11953407 >>11953552 >>11953552 >>11953553
Ocarina of Time is by far one of the weaker games in the series
Anonymous No.11953475 >>11953553
No game and no console has mindbroke as many people as OoT on N64.
Anonymous No.11953552
>>11953407
See
>>11953407
Anonymous No.11953553
>>11953407
See
>>11953475
Anonymous No.11953756
Oot is a fun game, was fun back then, is still fun now.