Thread 11952907

>OG FF Tactics is widely regarded as a masterpiece
>the translation has a couple minor issues but is overall regarded as very solid
>remake the game
>rather than just clean up spelling/grammar errors and minor clarity/mistranslation issues, they completely rewrote the entire script
>new script takes massive creative liberties and largely ignores the original Japanese
>has some pretentious, flowery, faux-Shakespeare garbage for every single character, even bandits and peasants, that sounds like it was written by high-school drama students
>also completely butcher the sound effects and music
>also completely butcher the pixel art
>also have massive slowdown for spells that makes them run at like half speed
>also totally removes the spell chants
>but if you ask anywhere online, reddit, resetera, etc. they will universally tell you WotL is somehow the definitive and to ignore the original
What the actual fuck? Is this some kind of psy-op or are people just this willfully ignorant?

>>11952907 (OP)
I mean just LOOK at this shit. It's pathetic

>>11952907 (OP)
it's gonna get worse too with the new new "remaster"

>>11952912
>!!!!!!!
A classic line

>>11952912
eh, i've seen worse.

You just don't know kino when you see it, OP. Also
>pretentious
Opinion discarded.

Cool it with the anti-(((theater kid))) sentiment.

>>11952921
>wordless alarm? nah, i need a Marvel Quip™

>>11952968
It's a video game, you don't need a text box for wordless alarm

>>11952907 (OP)
>>the translation has a couple minor issues but is overall regarded as very solid

It was regarded as borderline incomprehensible trash with a few memorable lines

>>11952993
You do in a 90s game that doesn't have facial scans to tell you their emotions. Dumb zoomie.

>>11952921
It's the textbox equivalent of an author describing a look of shock or indignation on that character's face. Deal with it.

>>11952997
>You do in a 90s game that doesn't have facial scans to tell you their emotions. Dumb zoomie.
FF 6 characters could emote

>>11953006
They have 'surprise' but not "are you fucking serious right now?"

>>11953012
Oh gee I guess the tech just wasn't there for that gesture

>>11953020
Oh gee I guess I accept your concession.

>>11953024
I doubt you've ever actually received one

>>11953028
You just gave me one, dumb brown zoomie who can't except loss.

>>11953030
And now you're throwing a tantrum, concessionless

>>11953037
>undeniably loses the debate
>still barks like a chihuahua
The tantrum-thrower is you.

>>11953040
And now you have fled from your painful reality

>>11953046
>And now you have fled from your painful reality
I'm not brown, doe.

>>11952907 (OP)
Well I just skip the text in rpgs anyway so it never bothered me

The original writing and story was already pretentious garbage for angsty teens. War of the Lions just cranked it up to 11.

>>11953172
>uh goy, our theater kid rape of your script isn't actually that bad, your script was equally bad!

JAP written in games and anime is very childish.

>>11952915
Japanese can't write for shit. The original is very dry. You need a Woolsey-esque localizer to come in and punch it up.

Unfortunately we're going in the wrong direction nowadays. Some translators even leave the script in a state of incomprehensible Japlish by leaving all the "kuns" and "chans" and other honorifics in the script. No wonder people think JRPGS are cringe.

>>11953226
It's fine. Jews can't write. You prefer Marvel quippy garbage because you're a dumb infantile kike.

>>11952915

so, this speech pattern didn't exist for the Japanese, but for english, the regular cast is speaking in the flavour of an older English than modern. But Zalera and Altima and the others are given to speak an even older English than that to try and exacerbate their sense of being ancient or foundational.

No such flavoring exists in the Japanese (even though its definitely a language that could support such a thing). Zalera is just speaking straight form and a bit informal by comparison.

>>11952907 (OP)
Shakespear script is better

You don't like it because you're an ESL shitskin

>>11952915
3rd is the best

>>11953178
it's only troons and shitskins that ever bitch about Shakespear

>>11953227
false dilemma.
Shakespear is the opposite of marvel quip shit, yet here you are bitching about it because you're a low IQ ESL shit skin. The game wasn't made for you, it was made for English speaking whites. cope turd worlder.

>>11952907 (OP)
>>the translation has a couple minor issues but is overall regarded as very solid
>Defeat Dycedarg's elder brother!
The further you get into the game the worse it got. Don't magically treat some nostalgia as lacking the flaws it had.

>>11952907 (OP)
I beat it on psx and then on psp and you know what? Don’t really remember anything to offensive in the psp version but that was before woke and I was aware of the culture shift and all the propaganda being shit down our throats daily so mayhap I need to try it again.

Thinking of ordering a cheap chipped psx. Could I just patch the psx version w a hack that includes the extra content of WotL (lol makes me think of wrath) and then burn it to a disc to run off the modded psx?
Also if I can do that wondering if I can burn the Mizzirna falls to a disc and play it from the chipped PlayStation.

>>11954223
Retard

>>11954236
That was rude

>>11954197
>>11954206
>>11954210
You can't even fucking spell his name right

>>11954409
I use swype
that's how swype spells it
Shakespear

>>11952907 (OP)
It was rewritten by a numale who drinks söymilk and gives his wife to black cock. Also see: Castlevania SOTN.

>>11954197
>blindly aping overly verbose faux-shakespeare for every line, even those said by bandits and peasants, while also misconstruing the original script is good actually
It sounds like it was wrriten by high school drama class kids, you're a fucking retarded redditor midwit.

>>11954447
Only because it uses words you've previously typed, and your retarded ass thought it was "shakespear" back then too

>>11952907 (OP)
I believe people are saying this mostly because the incoming remake (why 2 remakes?) doesn't have the cool things like Balthier and Dark Knight.
Man, even the Classic Version of Ivalice Chronicles won't give you the option of putting the original PS1 script because they said it sucked. I have no reason to buy it when I have the OG, but I'm still mad how they butchered it up.

>>11952907 (OP)
>ff tactics
>masterpiece
boy the bar must really be in hell

shakespeare is fine for something written in 1600s... it's not even a real dialect that people ever spoke so why would you mimic it in modern writing unless your intent is to be pretentious...? it gives a "we just hired some retard english major fresh out of college to rewrite the dialogue" smell...

>>11955094
It gives a 1600s vibe
>it's not even a real dialect
Weebs when they have to read something more sophisticated than "son of a submariner" tier translation slop

>>11953226
>I SAY THAT JAPANESE CAN'T WRITE DESPITE NOT BEING FLUENT IN THE LANGUAGE! I JUST HECKIN SAY SO, MMMMKAY!? I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT AN IMMENSE NUMBER OF COUNTRIES ALL COUNT AS SIMPLY 'WHITE' AND THAT ALL THEIR WORKS STAND TOGETHER AGAINST ANY OTHER SINGLE COUNTRY AND THAT I CAN TAKE CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING THESE COUNTRIES EVER CREATED AND THE FACT THAT I SPEAK ENGLISH AND I HAVE HAVE A COMPLEX BASED ENTIRELY UPON THE WORK OF ALL THOSE COUNTRIES FOR ALL THOSE HUNDREDS OF YEARS MAKING ME WORTHWHILE IS SOMETHING I NEED I NEED TO POINT OUT ON A SITE BASED ON A JAPANESE SITE MADE TO PRIMARILY TALK ABOUT JAPANESE THINGS, OKAY!?
k

>>11955149
>It gives a 1600s vibe
IT BEARETH THE MIEN OF AN AGE LONG PAST, AS THOUGH THE SEVENTEENTH CENTURY ITSELF DID BREATHE UPON IT! BEHOLD ME, FORSOOTH! A COLOSSUS CLAD NOT IN VIRTUE, BUT IN VAINGLORY; A MOST PRETENTIOUS KNAVE, PUFF'D FULL WITH HIS OWN CONCEIT

>>11955462
I love that. Ultima had that too, only problem there was that shitty font.

>>11955462
I took Middle English in college… I honestly can’t tell if you’re shitting me or not but I feel like I could translate that. The problem is reading that would get old fast. I’m a fast reader but you can’t do that w English like that. You have to slow down and replay it over and over and who the fuck wants to do that. However I still do not remember it being that detracting in 2009 when I beat the psp version (I think I beat ff tactics in like 2000-2003, my brother loved it and I wanted to bond over it so forced myself to play it and the story, for me, is brilliant and people whine about it but really the first few seasons of game of thrones apped its style quite well) and yes I don’t remember it being quite that bad. I could be totally wrong I really need to go replay them. Thanks for listening anons. I’d still love to be able to play those versions I mentioned above on real hardware so I’m still wondering if it’s possible to burn the games onto cd w the hacks applied.

>>11955094
>>11954483
>>11955486
'Tis not unbearable, nay, 'tis most delightful! It doth render the matter far more engaging. Dost thou know how many virtual plays possess a script most dry and plain? Verily, 99.99% of all virtual plays ever quilled. And how many boast a script adorned with florid verse? Perchance a mere ten. The purple prose doth make each line a joy to peruse, so long as thou art skilled in the art of reading.

Alas, thou dost disdain the florid verse, for thy wit, being of low measure, doth falter in the tongue of England. Perchance, thou shouldst sport the game in Spanish, as do the other fecal skin dwellers of lesser realms.

Weep yet more to the overseers and proclaim thy grievances, as expected from a mewling sodomite such as thee. The truth, and the archive, still yet remains.

>>11953226
The original is in Japanese which you can't read.

removing spell quotes was the only crime of the psp version

>>11952907 (OP)
The same thing that always happens with these remakes. Some reddit millennial has a completed inflated sense of his own intelligence and overwrites everything in a vain attempt to turn muh video game into muh art. There's no oversight to reign him in because the Japanese team doesn't really give a shit about the English version so they let him run wild with reddit snark. It's like a cargo cult version of Shakespeare where they "mic drop" purple prose one liners to use on their mom when she tells them the family is going to church on Easter Sunday.

>>11956231
this was written by gen X you fucking moron

So much ESL crying in this thread. It's odd how everyone I know IRL, are white people who prefer the psp script. Just more proof that 4chan is nothing but Mexicans

>>11952915
>fuck, how do we make this simple sentence old-timey?
>just make the english as convoluted as humanly possible!
People who aren't experts in how Ye Olde Anglish was spoken really shouldn't try to mimic it in commercial entertainment.

>>11956212
>>11956216
>>11956218
>>11956224
Dumbasses don't seem to understand that people who like the PSX script mostly hate the excessive prose in WotL. It had a ton of typos and errors but some of us would prefer a cleaned up version of that instead of the drama club bullshit script.

>>11956261
>errrm akshually it was GEN X, fucking moron!!!

It's literally cargo cult Shakespeare. It's a guy trying to mimic a style he read but doing it without any artistry, taste, or understanding.

>>11956287
It's not convoluted, it's poetic.

The entire game takes place as a librarian reads you his ancestors book. You probably didn't know that because you didn't play the game.

>>11956289
Literally everyone understands that.
And the retort is that your preference is the result of you being a low IQ ESL

>>11956292
This, but unironically. Butthurt faggot.

>>11956298
Nah. It's stylistic for a fantasy setting, not a historical recreation. Same reason the swords and armor arent authentic to history, like in every other fantasy game ever fucking made.

Quasi-European setting.
Quasi-European writing.
Both a blurr of time periods.

You're just a lazy retard mad that he struggles to read basic shit. Cope

>>11953227
false dilemma.
Shakespeare is the opposite of marvel quip shit, yet here you are bitching about it because you're a low IQ ESL shit skin. The game wasn't made for you, it was made for English speaking whites. cope turd worlder.

>>11956313
Being a redditor on 4chan must be tough. Sometimes you just can't take it on the chin anymore and have to lash out.

>>11956307
>poetic
You know poetry can be judged by it's quality as well, right? "Poetic" or not, what they wrote there not only barely qualifies, but is embarrassingly grandiose for such a basic message (your dad is dead and now you'll die too).

Excusing something this overworked or tone deaf just because it looks "poetic" is ridiculous, and frankly I have a hard time imaging how anyone could even follow what the hell he's getting at.

It's always the English major college graduates that are ultra defensive when someone rightfully criticizes verbose pretentious writing as if to justify that the degree was actually worth it and not a total waste of time and money.

>>11952907 (OP)
People complain that the GBA FFT is a child's game compared to this, but frankly FFT is a child's game compared to Tactics Ogre.

>>11956348
I'd like to think English majors would be the ones to be the *most* critical of pretentious wank, but these days who can really say.

>>11954476
Only you are thinking about faggoty shit like that. kill yourself, I really mean it.

>>11956368
>>11956348
English majors are low IQ faggots who only read YA fiction

STEM majors like myself read more serious literature than any English lit fag I've ever met

>>11956348
The flowriting makes reading it more enjoyable.

Again, it's not more fun for you, because you're a fucking dumb ass who's bad at reading.

>>11956334
>how anyone could even follow what the hell he's getting at.
You're just fucking dumb. You probably work in the service industry, definitely a stoner.

>>11956378
I have no idea why you felt the need to post this. No one playing a VIDEOGAME would want to bother reading anything written by someone whose expertise lies primarily in the interpretation of technical literature.

>>11956329
>Can't think of anything to say
>muh weddit
Shut the fuck up and take the L, faggot.

>>11956387
STEM majors trend to be smart people who are well rounded.

English lit majors are dumb fucks trying to find some way to make money while still being bad at math and any other serious subject.

The result is that engineers have read more serious LITERATURE than you English lit fags have. I could do your job better than you. That's why I make more money than you.

>>11956384
I'm not dumb, you're just too pretentious to understand why it's a hackjob.

Take a look at this:
>truth dawns within this child's naivety
>who once was hers, now kin to naught but woe
You would actually prefer to take the time to read this and make sense of it rather than the simplified, concise version in the original translation?

This next one is even worse:
>let not such trifles weigh upon you
>ere long you shall know darkness deeper still

Give me a fucking break lmao.

>>11956382
>flowriting
That's not a thing.

>>11956397
>take end time to read it and make sense of it

Took me 1 second because I'm not a low IQ stoner. You're really just showing everyone how retarded you are.

>>11956396
That's an awful lot of projection for someone who is self-reportedly "smart" and "well rounded". I've been in STEM for 15 years and I don't try to pretend like I have a better understanding of creative writing than someone who has made it their life's work.

>>11956404
Sounds to me like you're just defending a bad translation because you're a giant faggot. In that case, carry on-- I won't bother trying to convince you otherwise.

>>11956310
Thats a pretty shitty retort, but then again ad hominems are the mark of the uneducated.

>>11956289
I’m not a fan of the faux Shakespeare (my suspicion was always been that they were aping Vagrant Story without having anywhere near Alexander Smith’s talent) but you can at least play that version completely blind and know what the fuck is going on

>>11956474
And since I know you guys love the original translation, I added some extra SOVL into the grammar in this post which you’ll never find in the CRINGE SOI posts that "make sense" and "use proper auxiliary verbs"

>>11956409
I'm talking about my peers.
learn to read.

>>11956415
Literally every respectable person I know IRL prefers wotl. The only people I've met who dislike are dumb fat burn outs.

That's the truth.

>>11956541
Yeah the only person I know who dislikes it is a fat retard who works at a gas station

kek

>>11956541
Doesn't WotL have a bunch of other QoL going for it? If that one example of the updated prose that got posted is just an egregious example that was cherry-picked for that reason alone, then I can see why people would prefer it.

The pomp of gilded prose, whether light or bold,
Is lost on faggoty knaves with wits too cold,
Whose swarthy hides and brains, dull as the night,
Deem such flow’ry speech pretension’s trite.
Yet words ornate are wrought for joy’s delight,
Not haughty show, but sport in fancy’s flight.

>>11956567
I'm talking EXPLICITLY about the translation and nothing else.

>>11956575
Right, well my point still stands. One bad example doesn't mean the whole updated translation is fucked.

>>11952907 (OP)
There should be a new translation for the remaster, so soon you won't have to pick your poison anymore.

>>11956602
I said that everyone I know IRL who is a respectable person prefers wotl translation. The only people I know who didn't like are people everyone agrees are dumb fucking burn outs.

>>11956606
remake uses psp based script, because it's more fun.

>>11956409
Original comment (Boring, plain, just mash X to skip past it):
>That's an awful lot of projection for someone who is self-reportedly "smart" and "well rounded". I've been in STEM for 15 years and I don't try to pretend like I have a better understanding of creative writing than someone who has made it their life's work.

Remastered comment, actually fun to read:
>Fie, what a heap of projection dost thou cast,
For one who claims, with vaunting tongue, to be
Both "wise" and "rounded well" in knowledge vast!
>In STEM’s domain, these fifteen years I’ve plied,
Yet never presume to boast over scribes who dwell
In creative writ.

>>11956687
Based, but I don't think the cherry-picked example in >>11952915 does a good job of showcasing why the faux-Shakespearean translation can be more fun.

>>11956384
Are you some kind of moron, sir? Just see big old words and cream yourself at how authentic it is?

>>11956860
nobody ever uttered the word authentic you dumb shit skin, it's a fantasy game

>>11956349
Man, Tactics Ogre is fucking amazing. The only bad part of it is that SNES cutscenes are broken (no text display).
And the PS1 version leaves you stuck with weird colors and insane load times & lag.

>>11957134
It's incredible and playing on the PS2 with the speedup works great. Only thing that comes close is Disgaea (2 specifically).

It's pretty simple: both translations of FFT are bad.

The PSX version is simple and has more hard-hitting lines, but also routinely degenerates into nonsense.

The PSP version generally makes more sense, but confuses flowery writing with good writing and loses a lot of the good parts of the PSX version.

Neither are actually good. Supposedly Squeenix is trying again with the remaster in Arranged mode, but knowing Squeenix it'll just be a third variety of shitty translation. FFT might just be cursed.

>>11954616
>why 2 remakes?
Because the first remake was for the PSP and every PSP remakes is sealed there forever.

Do we even know what the new remake's script even looks like? I don't doubt that the original English script was half-assed and the PSP one went nuts with the "Tis a medieval setting m'lord", but I also HIGHLY doubt the new one is going to change anything to the point of it being "ruined".

>>11955486
>e problem is reading that would get old fast. I’m a fast reader but you can’t do that w English like that. You have to slow down and replay it over and over and who the fuck wants to do that
lmfao skill issue pedro

>>11957160
>Arrange Mode
Since the other mode is literally just the ROM of the PSX version, do you think they'll just leave that one be and have the OG translation in it?

>chatgpt, translate this dialogue into shakespearean
it's that shrimple

>>11952907 (OP)
why not write normally instead of this meme arrow nonsense?

>>11953226
You know what's dry?
English culture, like thar faggot Shakespeare

>>11952907 (OP)
>resetera
Fuck that white supremacist shithole.

>>11959276
>>>/r/eddit
go away

>>11959280
Get racists out of gaming.

>>11952912
The writing and story was never good and always overrated. The advance games were also superior gameplay wise.

>>11959286
It's not even the original story, FFT is just a babby version of Tactics Ogre.

>>11959284
nigger.

>>11959284
Niggerfaggot

>>11959286
>Ah yes, I too enjoyed having each unit only have access to a handful of jobs at a time, it did a lot for synergy
The class restrictions made cross classing fucking awful, aside from a few busted examples.

>>11952907 (OP)
>>11952912
I haven't played this game but almost every "serious" medieval fantasy in the west is written like this. In fact this is pretty tame compared to some other stuff out there. Its fine if you think the translation is too liberal but these specific complaints come off as very "my only engagement with fantasy is through FF"
I can't even joke about gamers being illiterate because this shit is pretty common in vidya too

>>11959337
>nooo I should get to do anything with no limitations!!!
God forbid races and characters have actual flavor and aren't just blobs that can do do anything

>>11959346
the combinations present fucking sucked but whatever you say, anon. We all know every moogle you brought used throw and every fighter regardless of race used whatever class gave them a ranged melee attack ability like air render. Oh and steal ability was a treat, especially since only two races got access to it in any way, same with steal weapon. Most of the fun with job systems with cross class abilities is experimenting to find fun combinations.

>>11959342
Its mostly because the original script was serviceable (though flawed) in a lot of ways, but it had more direct impact due to being the conversations soldiers have on the battlefield. Its just unnecessarily verbose when people are cutting each other down and incinerating each other. The game was designed to play out both like a play and a story being recounted by a historian, but gameplay wise its a terrible change when there was a script that was more punchy and raw. People who experienced WotL first just see the old script as a jumbled mess, but it was a lot more visceral by comparison and many people prefer that. Especially when its what they had first.

I had the same reaction. Was going to play this version and I couldn't even make it through the first dialogue sequence without cringing and shutting the game off. The type of English they use is by no means Shakespearean, it's just tryhard theater kid shit. The PSX version is way more natural, and it doesn't have the uneven pixel scaling as you said.