Thread 11959418

When do you give up on a NES? I took my frontloader apart, cleaned it, and refitted the 72 pin, and it's fucking up again. I really don't want to do this every few months, especially since I'm sure it'll dwindle every few days in the future

I use a flashcart so I never have to re-insert.

>>11959424
Inshallah those who offer unsolicited and unhelpful advice related to emulation shall have their hands and tongue removed

>>11959428
Flashcarts aren't emulation.

>>11959438
Die

>>11959418 (OP)
>Every few months
There is no world where you have to refit the pin connector every few months. I've only had no choice but to refit/replace the connector once. My advice is to either buy a new pin connector and be gentle or get a top loading clone system like a retron.

>>11959428
>>11959440
Seething coomlectoid lmao
How's that rotten plastic smelling?

To every fag who constantly belittles me for using emulation and shaders: OP is your future. Enjoy it.
>>11959428
>>11959440
Yup, you're not learning anything. What will you do when your hardware dies completely? re-buy it all for 500% markup price? or are you going to quit video games if forced to use emulation?

>>11959418 (OP)
The American NES is shitty doomed hardware but they got away with it because the failures didn't start en masse until the next generation of consoles.

>>11959418 (OP)
NES is one of the few old machines that will inevitably die due to corrosion issues on cheaply made ICs. Specifically PPU chip rot. The only way to repair it is to take another PPU chip from another NES. Its just about the only console or old computer there is no point in owning as there is no way to repair this aside from cannabalisation which is why resellers pushed it first to get rid of them. Everything needs recapping, ever ram replacement or voltage regulators, connectors repaired etc but the NES is uniquely shitty and its the only piece of retro hardware I don't have in my collection for this reason. Nintendo scalpers will seethe at this post even though it is completely true.

>>11959456
Only the NES is that shitty most old retro stuff rolls on for a lifetime after recapping and is way cooler and better to play on than emulators ust because of authentic controls and feels

I'd rather have a sit down arari star wars arcade cab that an emulator any day and don't even try and tell me it is the same

>>11959457
>The American NES is shitty doomed hardware but they got away with it because the failures didn't start en masse until the next generation of consoles.
/thread & PPU chip rot pilled.

>>11959465
>are you going to quit video games if forced to use emulation?

>>11959459
>PPU chip rot
https://www.projectvb.com/nss/logs.htm

>>11959470
I don't need to I dgaf about the nes and enjoyed recapping and healing and futureproofing all my old machines. They will all be running after I am dead. By the way the NES is really uniquely shit, I have a tub filled with 40 and 50 year old josticks that are all fine and probably will be fine for someone elses lifetime as well. The NES chip was a quality issue in Nintendo, the CPU and PPU failures were IMO planned obsolence V 1.0 because it fits with how nintendo treated its consumer (badly, high margin, low cost, gimmicks)

>>11959418 (OP)
disable the lockout chip by lifting the specific pin on the chip
congrats it werks now

>>11959459
You're thinking of SNES, NES is a stable platform.
>The only way to repair it is to take another PPU chip from another NES.
Soon that will change.

>>11959456
>>11959452
Why do we accept this incessant derailment on a hobby board? It's only in one direction as well, nearly every instance of this behavior has come from someone who purely, operative word right there, emulates or uses flash carts. I can count on one hand how many times I've seen someone express hatred for emulation, but the other way around is in abundance. It's to the point that just owning hardware, regardless of if you accept emulation as legitimate or not, or have even mentioned it, is taken as a personal attack. I've seen people get angry that others haven't sold their hardware in favor of only owning a flashcart. I've been cursed out on this board for posting images of physical stuff I own. It's ridiculous

>>11959507
>I can count on one hand how many times I've seen someone express hatred for emulation

>>11959507
>I've been cursed out on this board for posting images of physical stuff I own
Are you granite-fag? if so, you're cursed out because you're an annoying spammer. I've never seen anybody else get shit for posting their hardware. A victim story lacking in evidence.

>>11959515
No

>>11959497
>>The only way to repair it is to take another PPU chip from another NES.
>Soon that will change.
No it won't there is no fix for the NES PPU rot and no replacement other than taking on frm another NES

>>11959497
>I've been cursed out on this board for posting images of physical stuff I own. It's ridiculous
Fair but the NES ris the one piece of hardware that it's valid to not own.

Why did the NES/FC's PPU's OAM use memory that 'decays' over time?

https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/31705/why-did-the-nes-fcs-ppus-oam-use-memory-that-decays-over-time

>>11959537
>valid to not own.
This is fine. Getting pissed off at someone for owning one anyway isn't. Militant emulation users physically lack the gray matter to understand that people, like myself actually, can use both, or not emulate or use flashcarts/system mods and not take issue with them at the same time. It's biologically inferior black and white thinking. And again, we're on a hobby board. Part of the hobby is owning the items the hobby is centered on

>>11959530
NES is not known for PPU or CPU rot, you're thinking of the SNES. And for the CPU there's currently a WIP FPGA replacement and eventually there'll be one for the PPU. Eventually all consoles will have FPGA part replacements.

>>11959497
You mean the SNES had this chip rot thing? That sucks.

>>11959545
But there is no replacement for this PPU thing now?

>>11959542
I have a collection of OG hardware, all sorts and I repair it myself. I have always steered clear of nintendo becaus I am into electronics and their stuff is just not nice (for me).

>>11959418 (OP)
Can I return my SNES to Nintendo for repairs? Is there a service they do?

>>11959551
Yes, the CPU is most affected, but PPU 1&2 are known to have issues as well. Thankfully SNES is one of the most well documented consoles of all time. It's not like there's a shortage of emulation solutions, including ones using FPGA.
>>11959554
Technically there's no replacement for the CPU yet either, the guy working on it's blog was updated just a few days ago.

>>11959560
And that's fine. What isn't fine is barging into a thread specifically about console repair with
>>11959452
>>11959456
>To every fag who constantly belittles me
Belittlement in this case being choosing to use hardware. It's also just completely unhelpful and off thread topic. But people like that are so screen-ravaged by Reddit stoicism they've lost the brain synapses to understand that they can just be quiet sometimes

>>11959418 (OP)
>>11959428
unfortunately it's 2025 and this problem will only get worse as the years go on. You will eventually have to embrace emulation as long as companies aren't making their games permanently available somewhere but they'll just be selling you ROMs anyways.

>>11959567
>You will eventually have to embrace emulation
I already have. I just choose to also own hardware. I'm having a stroke trying to figure out why this is such a concept to certain people

>>11959573
not sure what sort of response you were expecting. I avoided emulating for the longest time and collected hardware to play retro games but it's become such a pointless headache to buy something and just hope I can get it working. Not to mention how ridiculous the market is for buying retro games now. The NES was always a tough console to work with even when it was released. I got a refurbished 72-pin connector and it worked ok but I still have trouble getting it to work half the time. If all you want is a working NES and you replaced/refurbished the 72 pin and you've tried several games and nothing works then I would give up on that console right there. But I did all that myself back in 2015 so I'm imagining these problems will be much harder to fix now so I don't know if I'd even risk buying a second one now if I couldn't get the first working. Sorry if you aren't getting the responses you want OP but I think a lot of us have long given up on the dream of hardware only retro gaming.

I fixed it. After cleaning the game I just got, testing with the game already in the system that was just working, and debating taking it apart again, I blew into the carts really hard and they work fine now. I hate this system

>>11959418 (OP)
Cleaned it how? Also clean your games.

>>11959747
Took it apart completely, dusted everything that needed so, hit the pins with 91% isopropyl alcohol, and refitted it using the boiling water method. My games are also clean and stored in a closed dust-free cabinet in a room with an air filter in it. One of the games was in the system and working fine before I took it out. NES carts are just fucks

>>11959814
>boiling water method
People gotta stop doing this. It doesn't do anything except cause more damage. You're supposed to retension the pins on the bottom row by lifting them, insert a bare cartridge PCB and press the pins down with the cartridge loaded so the insertion force is normal.

ABS plastic softens at the boiling point and if left at that temperature too long the plastic deforms around the point of highest tension which is the center of the connector.

Sorry buddy, you may want to take apart your NES again.

Kill militant emuvegans. A true human being do both.

For me, cleaning is less effective than mashing the restart button while pressing the cartridge up and down.

>>11959418 (OP)
Bend the pins back into place.
Afterwards, your cart slot will be crunchy and no longer require pressing the cart down.
It will also work perfectly every time.

>>11959418 (OP)
The trick is to buy a Famicom instead since the cartridge slot on that wasn't designed by a troglodyte.

>>11959428
You’re a fucking retard. I hope you break a chunk off your NES motherboard the next time you take it apart.