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Anonymous No.11961070 >>11961074 >>11961076 >>11961079 >>11961113 >>11961149 >>11961179 >>11961192 >>11962008 >>11962245 >>11962421 >>11962960 >>11965249 >>11965702 >>11966660 >>11966849 >>11969934 >>11974065
>$800 for a shader
just lmao. i can't believe people willingly let themselves get fleeced like this.
Anonymous No.11961074 >>11961153 >>11963291
>>11961070 (OP)
The price is too high, but being able to hook this shit up to a modern display if you want to play on the real thing is nice.

I wouldn't pay that much though.
Anonymous No.11961076 >>11961106 >>11961179 >>11961281 >>11962208 >>11962657
>>11961070 (OP)
It's better than dropping $$$ on a PVM
Anonymous No.11961079 >>11966263
>>11961070 (OP)
What is a shader?
Anonymous No.11961106 >>11961136 >>11961281
>>11961076

You don't need to, PVMs look like shit. Just get a normal consumer set.
Anonymous No.11961113 >>11961189 >>11966962
>>11961070 (OP)

this thing should be $100 tops.
Anonymous No.11961136 >>11961179 >>11962908
>>11961106
PVMs look great though. I prefer a giant TV
Anonymous No.11961149 >>11961154
>>11961070 (OP)
I wish I bought this instead of my 5X.

I could use it on my MiSTer, PS3, Gamecube/Wii, hell even OG Xbox games back compat on my XSX, plus it has more shader options and better deinterlacing for PS2 (which is the main reason I bought it)
Anonymous No.11961153 >>11962347 >>11966853
>>11961074
>but being able to hook this shit up to a modern display if you want to play on the real thing

There's a million ways to do that, so why the extra expense?
Anonymous No.11961154 >>11961208
>>11961149
You can just as easily grab a PixelFX morph for a fraction of the cost. The base $250 model only has HDMI inputs.
Anonymous No.11961178
You wouldn’t say that if you saw it in person. $800 is expensive, but it is the best on the market.
Anonymous No.11961179 >>11961189 >>11961281 >>11962773 >>11963304
>>11961070 (OP)
They 100% bought an ad here too.

>>11961076
>>11961136

PVM's suck for gaming, they are made for high-line input sources. You always see Redditors with PVMs with big thick black voids between the scan lines, because they don't realize they need to increase the vertical height of the scan line. They actually think this is how the games were made to be played.

Even worse are the shaders which emulate the effect lol.
Anonymous No.11961189 >>11961252 >>11966080 >>11966924
>>11961113
Broke ass bitch
>>11961179
Like 8 people use this board you guys are so retarded for thinking anyone would pay to shill
Anonymous No.11961192
>>11961070 (OP)
It's absolutely insane but gamers have shown they are the easiest to fleece and will pay anything for anything. Are they heroin addicts?
Anonymous No.11961208 >>11961551
>>11961154
hey, that looks pretty good and at half the price of the tink 4k.
still kinda expensive for a shader, but reasonable.
Anonymous No.11961252 >>11961524
>>11961189
We found out a lot when 4chan got hacked and all the information was leaked, you can drop the act already.
Anonymous No.11961281
>>11961076
>>11961106
>>11961179
Absolute cope and sour grapes
Anonymous No.11961437
...retro....twink?....
Anonymous No.11961441
>no displayport version
Anonymous No.11961524 >>11961526 >>11961643
>>11961252
source: I made it up
Anonymous No.11961526 >>11961550
>>11961524
It's on the Shart wiki actually. Under 'The 'Ack'
Anonymous No.11961528
1cc bought an ad too.

Sonybros won.
Anonymous No.11961550 >>11961885
>>11961526
well? Let’s see the proof
Anonymous No.11961551 >>11961562 >>11962460
>>11961208
Except if you look at comparisons, it's functionally worse with a worse image. And Retro is known for pay-walling software features that already exist on their devices.
Anonymous No.11961562 >>11962107
>>11961551
>retro paywalls features
Source? You know you guys are saying retro shills on here, but it almost seems like their ops are the ones shilling
Anonymous No.11961643 >>11961661
>>11961524
there's so much misinformation still going around about the hack it's insane. i still see /pol/niggers saying there were .gov emails on the admin team but you can easily verify that there wasn't.
Anonymous No.11961649 >>11961682 >>11962435 >>11962791 >>11962884 >>11962943 >>11965231 >>11965495
What do you guys use for PS2 on modern displays?
Anonymous No.11961661
>>11961643
That was from a shop that was posted on sharty like a year earlier. Schizos gonna schiz.
Back in my day the schizos were cool, but now they all have main character/gangstalk delusions and theyre mostly just annoying.
Shit up our decent threads about vidya.
Anonymous No.11961682 >>11961921
>>11961649
Component cables
Anonymous No.11961885 >>11961969
>>11961550
Go on, look yourself.
Anonymous No.11961921 >>11962550 >>11963295 >>11969895
>>11961682
Yeah modern TVs don't have those anymore lol.
Anonymous No.11961969 >>11962029
>>11961885
I’m not the one lying for attention. If you have the proof let’s see it.
Anonymous No.11962008 >>11962197
>>11961070 (OP)
The amount of money people spend to avoid a CRT is astounding. It's common to also purchase $1-2k OLED tv along with the $800 retrotink.
Anonymous No.11962029 >>11962098
>>11961969
It's on their Wiki, don't know what else to tell ya. Go browse it, it's waiting.
Anonymous No.11962098
>>11962029
>proof?! Proof?!
>it exists, I don’t have it but if you can’t find it you’re.. well you’re dumb ok?
plebbit moment
Anonymous No.11962107 >>11962114
>>11961562
RetroGem. Source is their own website, faggot
Anonymous No.11962114 >>11962137 >>11962220 >>11963945
>>11962107
>controversial claims with no evidence
what’s going on with this thread? Seething idiots who can’t take a screenshot? Are you a phone poster? What a bunch of losers.
Anonymous No.11962137 >>11962163 >>11963089
>>11962114
You're the one who has restricted Internet. You should be pulling up sites and links but you can't - you need to beg for screenshots. LOL
Anonymous No.11962163
>>11962137
>sites and links
postem kiddo
Anonymous No.11962197
>>11962008
But then you've also got a fucking awesome OLED and it's much bigger than any CRT you'll ever see
Anonymous No.11962208
>>11961076
this
Anonymous No.11962220
>>11962114
Indian detected. Stop shitting in the street, pajeet
Anonymous No.11962245 >>11962250
>>11961070 (OP)
>$800
huh?
since when? I thought retrotink was supposed to be newer, cheaper doo-dad that did this kind of thing. Am I thinking of something else?
Anonymous No.11962250
>>11962245
Another Indian unable to check the manufacturer's own website for pricing.
Anonymous No.11962301
I just have a $40 RetroScaler 2X that I bought off AliExpress for my N64 and Genesis which are only things I still prefer to play on original hardware. It's not perfect but it definitely looks better than it did back in the day. Everything else I just emulate with shaders.
Anonymous No.11962306 >>11962402
Is this thing good for anything?
Anonymous No.11962347 >>11962380 >>11962401 >>11966859
>>11961153
None of them upscale to 4K.

Mister only does 1440p and even then it's fake 1440p.
OSSC can only do up to 1080.
Framemeister (shit) can only do 1080p
Anonymous No.11962380 >>11962667
>>11962347
Newsflash, 4chan is full of children and jeets who can't see the difference between 1080p and 4K, and also don't understand the hardware demands of live 4K upscaling and filters.
Anonymous No.11962401 >>11962619
>>11962347
But 800$ though.
Anonymous No.11962402
>>11962306
it's almost exclusively made for fags who got the RGB bypass mod done on their neo geo AES because they can't stomach the thought of playing over composite on a CRT
Anonymous No.11962421 >>11962426
>>11961070 (OP)
Theres a couple games on Saturn that switch from 240 gameplay to 480 menus, do devices like this still shit the bed?
Anonymous No.11962426 >>11962430
>>11962421
Nope, it can handle anything you throw at it including resolution changes, like in games like Dead or Alive. It's why it's $800.
Anonymous No.11962430
>>11962426
Ah, thats good to know. Still way to expensive for me but I'm glad that got achieved.
Anonymous No.11962435
>>11961649
Retrotink 5x with retrovision components
Anonymous No.11962454
Some people have money and can drop $800 on recreational electronics without blinking
Anonymous No.11962460 >>11962623
>>11961551
I'm looking at Wobbling Pixels for examples and while the Morph4k might have some problems with color gain or whatever with component, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. The image is so close that its hard to say that its worth an additional $100 for upscaled 480p.
>PixelFX Morph = $275
>PixelFX Morph + Analog inputs = $375
>Retrotink 4K CE = $475
>Retrotink 4K Pro = $750
For most consumers I think they'll be happy as is with the cheaper option, but for the autists that want the best option they still have Retrotink. So either way everyone wins.
Anonymous No.11962550
>>11961921
They do. It's usually a 3.5mm jack that comes with a splitter cable.
Anonymous No.11962619
>>11962401
not arguing there
Anonymous No.11962623 >>11962626 >>11962639
>>11962460
do you not have the capabilities to test via rgb?
Anonymous No.11962626
>>11962623
im not complaining btw, legitimately asking, it'd be nice to see the comparison
Anonymous No.11962639 >>11962656 >>11962678
>>11962623
These aren't my captures, I got them from this Twitter.
https://x.com/WobblingP/status/1929169107682754605
With the RGB comparison I can barely tell a major enough difference desu.
Anonymous No.11962656
>>11962639
Ah i see, thanks
Anonymous No.11962657
>>11961076
Its about the same price
Anonymous No.11962667 >>11962686 >>11965430
>>11962380
nta, but i understand all of that.
i just don't see the need when a chunky pixel will be as chunky in 1080p as it is in 4k on the same tv.
the added shaders can be nice, but hardly necessary or worth such high price tag.
but where it is demand...
Anonymous No.11962678
>>11962639
Both are garbage.
Anonymous No.11962686 >>11962696
>>11962667
because running the game at a native res (most tvs are 4k native now) without the tv upscaling it removes delay
Anonymous No.11962696
>>11962686
works on my machine.
i measured a 1 frame delay between my crt and led tv.
last time i checked, those upscalers also have a 1 frame delay.
Anonymous No.11962773 >>11963243
>>11961179
>My only experience with PVM's is reddit

average /vr/ poorfag, lmao
Anonymous No.11962791 >>11962976
>>11961649
OSSC unironically. Either use bob deinterlacing or passthrough mode depending on the game, and if low input lag is necessary.
GBS-C is a popular mention, but I used both. The motion adaptiv deinterlacer is cool, but the overall picture quality is much worse imo. Also had to tinker too much with it, annoying device overall.
Anonymous No.11962884 >>11962943
>>11961649
PCSX2, duh.
Gaming on ancient hardware is a meme.
Anonymous No.11962908
>>11961136
>PVMs look great though. I prefer a giant TV
this anyone who disagrees dooes not play the games. In fact a biy TV brings all titles a new lease of life sadly not traditional lightgun games
Anonymous No.11962939
Am I doing it wrong again? I was quite happy pic rtelated.Should I be sad now? It cost be less than 15 bucks. I guess I'm a looser again like I was with the two SFF GT1030 i7 32GB low watt PCs for 200 bucks....

I really need to do gaming PROPERLY

rules

1)A classic or vintage original game in its box is ONLY worth money when bought from ebay or an expensive retro reseller/store. It is never worth anything if bought at an estate auction or charity store.
2)I must play spectrum games on a graphics card that cost a minimum of 6000 dollars and it must be cool with water flowing though gay coloured LCD lights around gay colured fans. Unless the fans cost three figires they are worthless. Unless the PC costs five figures its a piece of shit. It mush have no optical drive or on/off button and have more leds than a chinese phone store.
3)My 50 OLED and 32inch CRT I got for free are worthless. I must spent 2000 dollars on a used 16 inch trinitron that was in a proctology lab or 20 years and then I must buy twin gayming monitors that cost 1000 each but are only 27 inch but can desisplay a refresh rate my eye can't even notice
4)Don't ever admit everything over 50/60FPS basiclaly looks the same
5)Refer to my computer as MY RIG or BATTLESTATION
6)Buy gold plated audio connections and if asked what difference does in make screm incoherently about the latency needed to play 40 year old games
7)All audio connections MUST cost a minimim of four figues for the wires, no exceptions. Before there were computer brainlets there were audio brainlets
8) Over clock EVERYTHING becaus I know more than anybody who designed this shit after watching three hours of youtube videos from people qualified to record themselves and put it on youtube
9)I must fetishize old nintendo games even though I was not even alive when they were released and I don't even like them. A status symbol like my iwatch, ifag etc
10)Talk loudly and endlessly without being specific about DESIGN and software DESIGN
Anonymous No.11962943 >>11962971
>>11961649
>What do you guys use for PS2 on modern displays?
>>11962884
>Gaming on ancient hardware is a meme.
for you
Anonymous No.11962960
>>11961070 (OP)
I'm one of those 'tards.
It works pretty damn well for playing stuff pre 8th gen, especially with scaling 1080p to 4K pretty great.
Gen 7 needed some scaling services and those sharp/soft looking ones like the mClassic don't do it justice.
Gen 6 below works wonders with filters, sharp pixels and freescaling. Getting the GBA Aspect Raidou alongside the 8:7 Aspect Raidous for Gen 5 and below looks splendid.
All those inputs available are meant to be plugged into a switcher of sorts. Getting it for less than 5 device is absolute retardation, and this is coming from a 'tard.
You can pretty much break this thing to scale or look as bad/good as much as you want and it's still fine once you reset the settings.
You get the most out of it with an OLED 4K TV. You're missing some things with any regular cheap 4K TV, but not enough to miss out. You're burning money using it on a 1440p monitor and lower.
Price is the biggest issue. I regret spending $800, I don't regret buying it especially since it was ~$200 for four months, thank you Paypal Pay later services for existing for brokies like me :D.

tldr: 'tard approves of the device, not the price.
Anonymous No.11962971 >>11963264 >>11963272
>>11962943
>$10

Are you sure? I'm willing to spend the money not not $800 worth lol.
Anonymous No.11962976
>>11962791
Thanks. I'll look into this.
Anonymous No.11963089
>>11962137
You make the claim, you substantiate the claim.
>LOL
big cringe
Anonymous No.11963243 >>11963249
>>11962773
LLM response, or jeet? We may never know. Certainly one or the other, as the main thesis was not addressed.
Anonymous No.11963249 >>11963258 >>11963276 >>11963913 >>11965702
>>11963243
>Mad his only experience with a PVM are Reddit posts
Stay mad poorfag. If you ever played with one you'd realize those thick lines you religiously studied on Reddit aren't nearly as visible when you're a proper playing distance from the TVs.

I reckon you're also South American.
Anonymous No.11963258 >>11963287 >>11963304 >>11963312 >>11963360
>>11963249
I have three PVMs and used to have my own television show.

They shouldn't be visible at all because you should be making them thicker so they JUST almost touch and no black lines are visible between the scanlines at all. But then the picture looks just like a consumer TV. So how can you take macros of your PVM and show your Reddit bros if it looks just like a consumer set?

kek
Anonymous No.11963264
>>11962971
I am sure 1080P is fine for a ps2 game works well save your money, works fine
Anonymous No.11963272
>>11962971
btw most modern TVs upscale very well too but that will get your composite into a TV with hdmi
Anonymous No.11963276 >>11965681
>>11963249
nta they are too small, get yourself a 32 ich 16:9 ntsc, pal 60 and pal capable phillips CRT TV with stereo speakers for fuck sake
Anonymous No.11963287 >>11963309
>>11963258
Funn fact and truth I used work making broadcast and studio equpment and software. Here sthe thing one of the reaosnn we broadcast at the highest res posisble was becasue of inevitable quality degedation durinng transmission, all this shit about sayinng PS2s MUST be used at 4K is garbage, They were designed for 480 and just about upscale well (depending on your luck, mostly with the TV and cheap ones can be good and expensive ones lemons) to 1080. I have a very high end pioneer rack mount DVD playet and it only really does 1080p and its a cracker on quality. The box in OP post is overpriced and ridiculous like high end audio gear,
Anonymous No.11963291 >>11966026 >>11968015
>>11961074
I just use a converter cable that cost me like 5 bucks on ebay.
The autism that is involved with wanting pixels to look exactly like a shitty CRT is so weird to me
Anonymous No.11963295
>>11961921
Just buy a cheaper tv, they have tons of old connections.
Anonymous No.11963304 >>11963309
>>11961179
>>11963258
Which setting in the service menu is that
Anonymous No.11963309 >>11963329
>>11963287
Yep.

>>11963304
Convergence.
Anonymous No.11963312
>>11963258
this post is the saddest LARP I've ever read on /vr/
Anonymous No.11963329 >>11963332
>>11963309
How can it be convergence lol. The line height depends on rhe electron beam thickness
Anonymous No.11963332
>>11963329
That's just what it's called.
Anonymous No.11963360 >>11963421
>>11963258
Why would a signal that uses half the lines have the scanlines touching?
That would fuck it up if you went back to using 480i.
I see gaps in 240p on my 27 inch consumer set.
Anonymous No.11963371 >>11963462
big tvs make old consoles look worse. Portable crt is the magic.
Anonymous No.11963421 >>11963426
>>11963360
Because he's a sad larper and also a known shitposter, he's been saying that "adjusting lines so they touch" nonsense forever.
Anonymous No.11963426 >>11963430 >>11963458
>>11963421
All PVMs should have a control for this, any user would follow the instructions in the manual when calibrating for the input signal and do this. Some later models will do it automatically.
Anonymous No.11963430 >>11963465
>>11963426
Please post a pic of your scanlines-less PVM setup
Anonymous No.11963458 >>11963465
>>11963426
240p is a hack used in video game consoles that professional monitor makers wouldn't pay any attention to.
Show me a manual that mentions making the lines of 240p signal touch, faggot.
Anonymous No.11963462 >>11963626
>>11963371
>big tvs make old consoles look worse. Portable crt is the magic.
horseshit stuff looks great on my 32 inch CRT and my 50 inch OLED upscaled

You don't play games
Anonymous No.11963465 >>11963489 >>11963583 >>11967828 >>11971729
>>11963430
No, but I'll show you this pic. You can find many like it online.

>>11963458
TV doesn't care how may scan lines there are when you make the beam wider. Unless it's one of the last crop of CRT PVMs all it knows is how thick you've made the scan lines.

The last ones could automatically do the whole process for you.
Anonymous No.11963470
OH NO NO PVM SISTERS
OUR MARIO'S NO LONGER A SOLID OBJECT BUT IS MOSTLY BLACK LINES LOL
Anonymous No.11963471
LOOK WHAT PVM DID TO OUR BOY MARIO! THEY KILLED HIM!

>there are PVM CRT fans as well as shader fans who say this is 'what the developers intended'
Anonymous No.11963478 >>11963586
Here's a "good" CRT setup for 240p gaming. Maybe a tad bright.
Anonymous No.11963483 >>11963504 >>11963586 >>11963753
And here you see a poorly done CRT setup for 240p gaming. You shouldn't see big fat black spaces between the scan lines. Everybody used to know this, only zoomers think that this is how it was supposed to be.
Anonymous No.11963489 >>11965117
>>11963465
Now find another one with a bigger consumer set and you'll start to see the scanline gaps again. In fact you can already faintly see the gaps on the right screen's mask.
>TV doesn't care how may scan lines there are when you make the beam wider.
exactly you stupid bitch. So when you are playing Chrono Cross and set your PVM beam width for 240p lines to touch how's the 480i menu gonna look?
Tuning your display so 240p scanlines touch is not a thing. The only time you can't see gaps in 240p is on tiny, low-res tubes.
Anonymous No.11963504 >>11966226
>>11963483
Who's setting up a CRT specifically for 240p? Nobody did that at any point ever.
A signal using half the lines will have gaps and most people would want to display 480i signals on any TV they have too.
Anonymous No.11963583
>>11963465
>No but I'll show you this pic with two different CRTs, one high tvl, one low tvl
Confirmed for dumbfuck who doesn't know what he's speaking about. DUMBFUCK! there's no magic setting on any PVM that changes TVL. What a fucking retard you are.

Might as well compare a Toyota Hilux with a Porsche 911
Anonymous No.11963586 >>11968053
>>11963478
>>11963483
posting pics of shaders to prove a point lol what a loser
Anonymous No.11963626
>>11963462

I play better looking games than you
Anonymous No.11963753 >>11963931
>>11963483
>Everybody used to know this, only zoomers think that this is how it was supposed to be.
Nobody fucking cared back then, they just plugged their shit in over composite or RF and it just worked. TVs were all designed for 480i signals because that's what everything except video game consoles used and made up 95% of what people were using their TVs for. And most people didn't even know how to take their TVs apart let alone do any adjustments to the tube itself. The only people who might have ever done that was gaming magazines because they were using their monitors exclusively for 240p and wanted a clean picture with no visible scanlines.
Anonymous No.11963913
>>11963249
I reckon 90% of this board are South American which is why mentioning anything that costs more than a sandwich is likely to elicit negative hysterics or even an outright defensive, mocking posture (whilst hiding the tears in their eyes).
Anonymous No.11963931
>>11963753
Even then I don't think any gaming magazine did that, it's not uncommon to see screenshots in gaming magazines with scanlines. They typically played their games on PC monitors which are pretty sharp.
Anonymous No.11963945 >>11964020
>>11962114
They told you that the proof is on the website. It takes like two seconds to verify the claim. They are correct anyways and it's not a controversial claim. They sell two 'packages' standard and Shiney. Shiney outputs to 1080p instead of 720p, and both use the same hardware as Shiney can be upgrades to with a key.
Stop being a lazy cunt.
Anonymous No.11964020 >>11964031 >>11964757 >>11964759 >>11965113
>>11963945
>doesn’t post link
>doesn’t post screenshot
>continues to talk shit
How autistic are you guys? It had nothing to do with me being lazy. It’s a principle to site your sources.
Fucking morons.
Anonymous No.11964031
>>11964020
>site
Anonymous No.11964562
I bought this, it has a scanline filter and works with the two arcade games I bought it for. That's enough for me.
Anonymous No.11964757
>>11964020
Why would I? You've been a rude shit the whole time. No one owes your lazy ass anything. Except maybe a ban.
Anonymous No.11964759
>>11964020
Source was sited cunt. The official web site clearly explains it. So you're retarded and illiterate.
Anonymous No.11965113
>>11964020
Linking to sources just feeds the AI these days. If people can't figure things out they're ngmi.
Anonymous No.11965117 >>11965494
>>11963489
>So when you are playing Chrono Cross and set your PVM beam width for 240p lines to touch how's the 480i menu gonna look?
A bit fuzzy, but usable. Much better than always having big fat ugly black horizontal bars ruining your picture all the time.

Some of the better Sony units will do the process automatically per frame. I don't know about other brands, I expect they do too. Older ones you can choose from between different preset calibrations sometimes but the process isn't automatic obviously.
Anonymous No.11965231
>>11961649
Picrel, but unfortunately it only goes up to 720p. PS1 games actually look better for some reason because PS2 has some blur filter over everything. I don't know how to make it look as clean as a PS1 using the same cable.
Anonymous No.11965249 >>11965434
>>11961070 (OP)
I'm sure this is a wonderful product made by dedicated gaming fans. However, I mentally cannot justify spending $800 on a upscaler for retro systems. Even if this upscaler does a fantastic job. It's just not a wise purchase for me. I'm just an average person with an average salary. $800 buys a lot of things for me.

I could maybe justify purchasing it if it was $300 or $400. That's the cost of modern console systems. So that price seems like a fair benchmark. But $800 is too much for me. I'm sure there are anons who make a ton of money and won't even blink at buying this product. But for me, I am content on buying other cheaper brands of upscaler.
Anonymous No.11965413
ossc does that same shit
Anonymous No.11965424
i already owned a pvm which i resold and scart cables
dont fall for that nonsense like i did
it doesnt make you enjoy games more
Anonymous No.11965430
>>11962667
>a chunky pixel will be as chunky in 1080p as it is in 4k on the same tv
It honestly depends on the TV, but a lot of 4k TVs already introduce a ton of blur just upscaling internally from 1080p. The difference is actually pretty massive.

That said, the filters are actually really good. With the right set-up you could legitimately replace a CRT just about every aspect aside from input lag. But it's a very costly set-up. You're paying to save space, which might be worth it depending on your living situation. Otherwise just get a good CRT.
Anonymous No.11965434
>>11965249
i use ossc if i want to play on my first gen sony bravia and it looks and plays great
you can adjust brightness and change colors and add fake scanlines it also will scale the picture bigger or small or there is some type of border
Anonymous No.11965494 >>11965772 >>11966637
>>11965117
If it does it automatically, whatever, but otherwise I don't mind seeing seeing gaps between lines when only half the lines are used.
It makes sense that there would be gaps between the lines. Why does it bother you that people got used to seeing gaps? It's absolutely not a new phenomenon that people like scanline gaps. I think you have it exactly backwards. Zoomers don't understand scanlines/gaps.
240p arcade monitors also have visible gaps. Not to the extent of PVMs, but why weren't arcade operators doing what you're talking about?
I think you are just a troll trying to gaslight people for no good reason, but if you are sincere, please know you are delusional.
Anonymous No.11965495
>>11961649
i got bitfunx hdmi ps2 adapter and it's fairly good.
it can handle 240p and 480p and takes component or rgb just by flipping a switch, so you can use it on ps1 or ps2 and it outputs 1080p.
now, they only problem i have with it is that it seems to output full range color, but my tv is old and uses limited range color, so it crushes the blacks and whites.
i have no way to test this properly, so it could be a (me) problem or maybe it crushes the blacks and whites regardless of your tv supporting full range color.
but all in all it looks fine, the upscaling is as good at it can be for what it is.
Anonymous No.11965507
If you want a cheap and dirty plug and plsy solution the mayflash ps2 adapter is as good as it gets. But all dongles and cables will rely on your displays deinterlacing. Looks good on LG at least, but expect some input lag.
Anonymous No.11965681
>>11963276
>thinks all pvms are 8"
Retard.
QKN No.11965702 >>11965752 >>11971732 >>11971756
>>11961070 (OP)
>>11963249
>Stay mad poorfag

It's one thing being a poorfag. It's quite another to not pay these insane prices.

I can get an RT4K and a 240Hz OLED for less than a PVM. Not being able play gun games is a fine deal in my opinion.
Anonymous No.11965746 >>11965953
Remember when this was the cheaper option to the Framemeister? Lol. Additionally, Lmao.
Anonymous No.11965752
>>11965702
gun games were written and distributed to be played on 32 inch tv crts anon, they would be no fun on a pvm as they are too small PVMs don't have TV tuners, most 8 bit computers and consoles up to the ps1 use an RF connector that needs a tuner and a TV does have one. A lot of PVMs don'thave speakers either which again late crts TVs do often stereo. Games consoles of the retro era and a lot of old computers too with RF were meant to be plugged into TVs not PVMs


t. Just played a game of wipout on PS1 conected to a 32 inch CRT TV
Anonymous No.11965772 >>11965939 >>11968062
>>11965494
nta
There is no gaps between scanlines in the signal
You don't seem to understand how any of this shit works

Plug in an NES or SNES on a 60s CRT
You will not see any gaps

The horizontal gaps are primarily caused by the electron beam thickness
The thicker the beam the lower the resolution

The scanline gap fetish is a new thing mostly in the last 10 years

The best solution in the future is integer upscaling to a 10000PPI screen
The higher the PPI the better
Anonymous No.11965939 >>11971258
>>11965772
The i in 480i stands for interlaced, you fucking retard.
How can you interlace something if there are no gaps between scanlines?
The two fields fit into the gaps of the each other and you wouldn't make the beam thick enough for the fields to significantly overlap. That wouldn't be very interlaced.
You don't understand how old TVs work, you projecting faggot.
Anonymous No.11965953
>>11965746
This was never a cheaper option to anything.
The original retrotink was a simple line doubler, so of course that will be cheap.
Retrotink is the brand name and this is the top of the line in that brand.
Anonymous No.11966026
>>11963291
Lag.
Anonymous No.11966080
>>11961189
Should be 50$.
Anonymous No.11966226 >>11966243
>>11963504
>240p > 480I
i never understood the delusion that the same refresh frames at half the resolution progressive is better than double the res with interlaced
Anonymous No.11966243 >>11966246
>>11966226
They both have their place which is why I would never specifically adjust a TV for 240p.
I refuse to believe that guy is serious.
Anonymous No.11966246
>>11966243
it's funny how as a kid i had tons of fun playing despite not knowing what even 480i was
Anonymous No.11966263 >>11966268
>>11961079
It's similar to smearing shit onto your screen and calling it retro.
Something boomers do.
Anonymous No.11966268 >>11966285
>>11966263
>duckstation
>native res
>crt filter
looks pretty comfy and good enough without any real hw or crt hassle
Anonymous No.11966285 >>11966506 >>11966519
>>11966268
If you like it, then that's cool. I like raw pixels.
Play however you like but leave me out of it.
The problem i have are the retards preaching that without shaders it's not the same, not real retro gaming etc. They are the same level of obnoxiousness as troons and other fags.
Anonymous No.11966349 >>11966506 >>11968823
For what it's worth I have a Morph4k with the analog bridge (scart and component). I think it looks great. I don't notice anything off about it. I can't personally compare against the RT4k, but I can't imagine the price being worth it compared to the Morph.
Anonymous No.11966446 >>11966506
Will this work okay for a SNES on a 4k TV?
Anonymous No.11966506 >>11966524
>>11966446
totally fine, the more you play vs. going on autistic rants over crts, shaders, and min/maxxing, the better your life will be
>>11966349
my friend also has that and really likes it
>>11966285
troons and fags are ruining gaming, /vr/ is slightly better but the troon speedrunners are starting to takeover retro gaming because they are constantly searching for new games to run
Anonymous No.11966519
>>11966285
You sound like an insufferable faggot yourself. Why are you even posting? Nobody gives a fuck what you think.
Anonymous No.11966524
>>11966506
>something that has no effect on me is taking over retro gaming and ruining my fun!!!
retarded trumpedo chuds like you are even more obnoxious and annoying than troons. stop sticking your nose in shit and then complaining everything smells like shit, dipshit. play some video games and stop being a faggot.
Anonymous No.11966637 >>11967630
>>11965494
>If it does it automatically, whatever
You'd know if it did because you'd have spend many thousands on your BVM.

>otherwise I don't mind seeing seeing gaps between lines when only half the lines are used
Well you only just now today realized that you fucked up and have been using the wrong type of TV to play video games, and you feel like a big idiot so why would you mind continuing in this idiotic behavior? That would mean you did a bad and need to change.

>240p arcade monitors also have visible gaps.
If they are poorly set up. I mean arcade machines have dirty sticks often times too, doesn't mean this is how it's supposed to be.
Anonymous No.11966660 >>11966816 >>11966834
>>11961070 (OP)
There is a newer slightly cut down one, the CE, which is under $500USD. It wasn't available at the time when I got it, but I still like all the other functions the 4k provides. It was released before the Morph4k, so it was the best option at the time that suits my needs.
Anonymous No.11966816 >>11972621
>>11966660
>marblefaggot fell for all the scams
>even the mcable
everyone, point and laugh!
Anonymous No.11966834 >>11972621
>>11966660
So what's your excuse for not using real hardware and having plastic tubs with chinese fake vintage PC parts that never seem to make it into an actual build?
Anonymous No.11966849
>>11961070 (OP)
I just found an A/V receiver at a thrift store that has a quality scaler built into it. Must have cost a fortune for who ever bought it new. Now it's old for modern A/V receivers and nobody wants them.
Anonymous No.11966853 >>11968003
>>11961153
>There's a million ways to do that, so why the extra expense?
You have fun with your $20 ps2 hdmi cable from amazon.
Anonymous No.11966856 >>11966862
Anonymous No.11966859
>>11962347
>it's fake 1440p
... what?
Also the Framemeister isn't shit. It's expensive for what it does now, but you can get the same exact thing from other scalers that are much less known in this hobby.
Anonymous No.11966862 >>11966868
>>11966856
Did you post that from your phone?
Anonymous No.11966868
>>11966862
No
Anonymous No.11966924
>>11961189
>Like 8 people use this board you guys
>you guys
Non-regular poster shill talk lol
Anonymous No.11966962
>>11961113
This thing should be 10$
Anonymous No.11966981 >>11973007
Don't own a 4K, I have a 5X (it's less expensive and an older model). It was worth every dollar I spent on it.

This webm was recorded off a 5X playing on original PS2 hardware.
Anonymous No.11967310
I want to use the Retrotink 4K with my (not retro) Switch
Anonymous No.11967630
>>11966637
>you did a bad
You type like a fag.
I will continue to use 15khz crts how they were designed to be used and you can continue being a delusional weirdo.
Anonymous No.11967651 >>11967667
I don't know why you're still arguing with the troll who says that by twisting some knobs you can change mask type and TVL on a PVM. The fact that he hasn't disappeared from the site in shame proves he's trolling.
Anonymous No.11967667 >>11967685
>>11967651
>by twisting some knobs you can change mask type and TVL on a PVM
Nobody said that, the idea is to change the beam width which can come under several specific terms depending on who wrote your manual.
Anonymous No.11967685 >>11967785
>>11967667
>Nobody said that
When asked for visual proof, you provided a comparison of two different CRTs with different specs. Anything you say after that is moot. There's no comeback from such idiocy.
Anonymous No.11967785
>>11967685
On the contrary, you have no idea which CRTs those are. In fact, they are the same model.
Anonymous No.11967828 >>11968012
>>11963465
Right is how things are supposed to look
Anonymous No.11967998 >>11969414 >>11969903
Has anyone mentioned that it's already obsolete because it uses frames of black, with electron beam emulation being the new school of thought?
Anonymous No.11968003 >>11969870
>>11966853
This stuff isn't hard to pull off.
Anonymous No.11968012
>>11967828
This. Any other answer is just wrong.
Anonymous No.11968015 >>11968036
>>11963291

Are you retarded? The games were made for crts. The games look like shit without them.
Anonymous No.11968036
>>11968015
Nta, but are you? If you have a CRT, hook the new console to it. Blamo-instant perfect "filter".
>inb4 lag
That can be overcome by any number of methods, but generally won't be a problem since the CRT isn't a modern set that upscales automatically, which is what introduces the lag.
Anonymous No.11968053
>>11963586
Ancient pics off a forum nearly 20 years old. Pre-shader tech.
Anonymous No.11968062
>>11965772
I have a professional Sony BVM which is a mid-2000's plasma panel (yes) and it is effectively super resolution and super refresh, so it can "natively" display any input signal. It even has a little sensor on the bezel which you can set up to auto white balance the screen for your viewing environment. The display only has one connector, which hooks to a rack unit which has a bunch of inputs and some card slots for various uptrades. I use it to sync video SMPTE to my Akai MPC and also to watch anime in my lair here.
Anonymous No.11968064
I guess it's technically a "cinema monitor" which is one step up from a broadcast video monitor which is one step up from a professional video monitor.
Anonymous No.11968823 >>11969112
>>11966349
is it retarded to buy a morph4k only to use it on a 1080p tv ? i just want to buy the cheapest strongest option and the morph fits this description for me
Anonymous No.11968828
i know it's not retro, but what do you anons use to upscale psp games
Anonymous No.11969112 >>11969219
>>11968823
It has hdmi in for newer consoles to upscale those up to 4k, you you'll miss out on that, but for older consoles upscaling to 1080p will look nice. There's always a chance you'll end up with a 4k TV in the future anyways.
Anonymous No.11969219
>>11969112
not planning on buying anything 4k, 1080p is enough for me
Anonymous No.11969414 >>11969591 >>11969903
>>11967998
qrd?
Anonymous No.11969591 >>11969608 >>11969903
>>11969414
In order to defeat lag, the Retrotink 4K inserts frames of blackness; devs are working on the ultimate workaround, emulating how the beams of electrons hit the screen to draw the images.
Anonymous No.11969608 >>11969618 >>11969903
>>11969591
>inserts frames of blackness
it's called black frame insertion, pablo
it's not to reduce lag, it's to improve motion clarity
electron beam simulation looks interesting, but it also requires much higher refresh rates than black frame insertion
and you're really hitting diminishing returns at that point, anyway
Anonymous No.11969618 >>11969903
>>11969608
>gets pedantic for no reason
>is wrong anyway

You have a good, day, man. Honestly, I come here for more polite interactions without /pol/esque responses.
Anonymous No.11969870
>>11968003
Yea, like I said. You have fun with your $20 chinese hdmi cable.
Anonymous No.11969895 >>11969978
>>11961921
lightweight cheap 2010 32" TVs are your best friend
Anonymous No.11969903 >>11970190
>>11967998
>>11969414
>>11969591
>>11969608
>>11969618
emulating the electron beam firing is still years and years away. consumer OLEDs are still sub 1kHz and electron beams are ~15kHz at their lowest
Anonymous No.11969934
>>11961070 (OP)
First Worlders problems...
Anonymous No.11969978 >>11970149
>>11969895
A modern TV with these inputs and a scaler that is basically a RetroTINK or whatever would be godlike
Anonymous No.11970149 >>11970929
>>11969978
you wouldn't be using the inputs though, you'd be using HDMI
Anonymous No.11970190 >>11970803 >>11970920 >>11971258
>>11969903
>OLEDs are still sub 1kHz
Yeah, but that's for a full frame of 1920x1080x30bit. Nobody has ever explained why it's seemingly "impossible" to build a display controller that takes partial updates. Hell, the screen doesn't even refresh all at once, you can see it on a high frame rate camera, it updates pixels a row at a time from the top. The lag comes from the fact that a SOFTWARE program does the display processing and waits for a full frame from the link before doing anything, and then once the data is in lag reduction is all about how MUCH processing is done before handing it to the display controller that then and only then does it start refreshing pixels at a substantially higher rate than the 360Hz input frequency.
It seems fucking obvious that if they really wanted to they could build a display controller that did a row at a time. Like I said, the final part of the chain ALREADY DOES THIS, they just don't expose it up the processing chain and won't explain why.
Anonymous No.11970803 >>11970920
>>11970190
Are you trying for the dk post of the year award?
Anonymous No.11970920 >>11971443
>>11970803
nta, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wts8f1bNnbo

>>11970190
either there is no interest (crt emulation is niche at best) or current tech isn't there yet.
but high refresh monitors use black frame insertion to avoid that cascade effect that can be seen on the previous video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYiyZajwlow
and that is if they refresh from top to bottom to begin with. some displays refresh sideways, it all depends on the manufacturing process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54E3uUEryZM
(this ancient video is the only one i could find, but it demonstrates the point).
Anonymous No.11970929
>>11970149
Yea, that's what I was thinking. I don't get why anyone would be excited for a fifteen plus year old lcd television.
I have a Sony Bravia that's around that age. It looks okay, but it weighs just as much as a CRT if it even still works.
Anonymous No.11971258 >>11971318 >>11971510
>>11965939
This is completely irrelevant because 240p is a non-interlaced signal which means every line is just retraced you schizo

You are out of your depth and don't understand how raster logic works
Quit while you're ahead

>>11970190
It's been done with the LG CX and C1 OLEDs
Having specialized IC like that adds to cost which is why they dropped it

This is why Blurbusters' software solution is a gamechanger
Unfortunately, because of faggot ass big company bureaucracy bullshit we will probably never see it in mainstream displays or GPUs

Mike Chi is the best thing we have for now
Anonymous No.11971318
>>11971258
I have a LG C1. Exactly what is it I can do with it?
Anonymous No.11971443
>>11970920
>nta, but i mindlessly parrot youtube
You're definitely a contender for the award, nta
Anonymous No.11971510
>>11971258
>This is completely irrelevant because 240p is a non-interlaced signal
That was exactly my fucking point, you dumb asshole.
You're out of your depth when it comes to reading comprehension.
If TVs are designed for 480i and 240p is a hack to trace the same lines again, then you're only using half the lines. In this scenario having gaps between the lines is expected and only a fucking weirdo would tune their TV specifically for 240p content because it would fuck up 480i.
Anonymous No.11971729 >>11972224
>>11963465
Absolute retard
Anonymous No.11971732
>>11965702
>It's one thing being a poorfag. It's quite another to not pay these insane prices.
Alien thought to you im sure, but a lot of people that own these monitors got them very cheap before youtube exploded them into popularity. I have a BVM20DF1U I got for $80 in 2012 and a PVM20L5 for $110 in 2013. Both still work great.
Anonymous No.11971756
>>11965702
this is like thinking people are paying those $500 for consumer crts you see in ads all the time
do you also think everyone paid $800 for earthbound?
Anonymous No.11972224 >>11972242
>>11971729
Don't tell me you've got your scan lines as skinny as the control will allow... lawl.
Anonymous No.11972242 >>11972250
>>11972224
>He's actually retarded
Anonymous No.11972250
>>11972242
>he turns his lines really skinny on his PVM
Anonymous No.11972621 >>11975319
>>11966816
To be fair, I didn't apply to EB games, but it did seem like a dream job as it fits my knowledge and expertise. The mCable was worth testing to see what it does. I was hoping it could help out with some antialiasing on PS2 games.

>>11966834
I think Mike Chi uses FPGAs as they are pretty cost effective comparatively to fabricating custom chips in small batches.
Anonymous No.11972628
I actually bought one at launch. It was fine but it didn't look anything at all on par with my PVMs.

All the shilling got to me and luckily I managed to sell it while it was still hard to get so I didn't have to hold the bag.
Anonymous No.11972764 >>11973007
@11972621
>fits my knowledge and expertise
EB games was a shitposting company?
Anonymous No.11973007 >>11973017
>>11966981
>It was worth every dollar I spent on it.
>This webm was recorded off a 5X playing on original PS2 hardware
yeah you should have just bought a cheap RGB scart cable.

>>11972764
>EB games was a shitposting company?
Correct.
Anonymous No.11973012
I'm not sure why you'd want anything above the 5x but whatever.

I guess if the ONLY TV you have is a 4K set maybe but I still have 1080p sets I can use for this purpose and a 5x is the best option for those.
Anonymous No.11973017 >>11973018
>>11973007
I prefer YPbPr for PS2 over RGB SCART because RGB looks a little too flickery and the interlacing is very noticeable even on a CRT.

Also I bought the Retrotink specifically to play Silent Hill on PS1 as it is one of my favorites and I think it looks best on original hardware. I wasn't expecting it to make PS2 games look so incredible either, and every console I put it through also looks great.
Anonymous No.11973018
>>11973017
more MGS2 on the 5x, it literally looks better than the HD releases and has all the effects intact.
Anonymous No.11973074 >>11973795
I bought an Xbox 360 and it came out with Gears 3 (legal). Enjoying it atm.
Anonymous No.11973795 >>11973905
>>11973074
Not even remotely /vr/ and deserves a ban.
Anonymous No.11973905 >>11973908
>>11973795
Sorry my bad I thought I was on /v/
Anonymous No.11973908 >>11974572
>>11973905
7th gen is retro now that anon is just coping and seething.
Anonymous No.11974065
>>11961070 (OP)
The cheaper retrotink is pretty decent for the price ($150-ish if I remember correctly). Just hope your systems don't shit the bed after investing money into them like this.
Anonymous No.11974572
>>11973908
>7th gen is retro now that anon is just coping and seething.
Anonymous No.11975319
>>11972621
Why are you posting gibberish in your replies to people's comments and questions?
You've already posted a picture of you playing a retron on a PVM. Why are you asking about monitor recommendations in your hand written note?