Thread 11961929

Why doesn't this get the canonical respect of Castlevania or The Legend of Zelda? It's easily the best side scroller of all time.

It's ok but Ninja Gaiden 1 is the infinitely better and more iconic game.

too hard

Yeah Ninja Gaiden 1-3 is straight up one of the greatest trilogies in gaming. Even if CV2 was as good as 1 and 3 I'd still prefer NG

>>11961929 (OP)
It somehow is more annoying than the first game.

>>11961942
>infinitely better
Ninja Gaiden 2 is an improvement in literally every single category possible.

>>11961929 (OP)
Sorry NG bros but when it comes to themes:
Halloween > Ninjas
I don't make the rules but we all need to play by them.

>>11961976
Castlevania is infinitely better than Ninja Gaiden in every aspect except for the gameplay in my opinion. Honestly I can't even explain what Ninja Gaiden is supposed to be aesthetically/thematically, it feels like an amalgamation of absolutely random stuff, that goes for the 3D ones too

>>11961929 (OP)
Castlevania NES has always been overrated, but Ninja Gaiden not nearly as good or innovative as Zelda. It's just another shitty side scroller.

>>11961929 (OP)
They killed their legacy by making the sequels exclusive to baka gaijin Xbox. If they had brought it back on playstation or nintendo it would still be just as well remembered as other NES greats such as Castlevania and Mega Man.

>>11962110
I've never been satisfied with 3d ninja gaiden as a successor to the 2d games, it's just not the same kind of fun at all.

>>11961929 (OP)
I like NG1 more, but NG2 is still awesome.

>>11961929 (OP)
It got respect when the NES generation were the ones posting all the time, but now all those guys have houses and families

>>11961962
NG2 loses out on the immaculate pacing of the original.

>>11961929 (OP)
The series died after the trilogy unlike Castlevania and Zelda. But its up there as one of the greatest NES games

Is the PCE version of Ninja Gaiden I any good? I never see anyone talk about it.

>>11962276
This is the answer.

The actual old game enjoyer doesn't care, but the trendy youtube watching, remaster buying retro gamer only cares about what is "still relevant today" or rather what the modern trends tell him to consume. Why do you think we get so many Castlevania games but Mega Man fell from grace? The fucking Netflix shows. Why are we getting DKC threads and RE threads all the time? And more importantly, why do you think so many posters in those threads are fucking retarded beyond belief?

>>11962514
It's good except for the parallaxed backgrounds not being smooth at all to the point it's distracting. It fixed a couple of glitches and the final boss is a bit different.

>>11962205
The NES nostalgiafags and trend chasers are gone because now the trendy nostalgia discourse is with newer consoles (soon those will be gone too as the trend shifts). But that's a good thing, it means the people left talking about it are actual enjoyers instead of trendy fags that played the NES because the man on youtube told them to or because "I'm going to the past to play the shitty games that suck ass xDDDD".

>>11962916
What universe is this you are living in where we are still getting Castlevania games

>>11963019
sorry I meant Castlevania threads

>>11961991
It's just an amalgamation of cool shit that was popular in the 80's

>>11963019
A better one

I like all 3,
i think it comes down to familiarity, cause for me atleast in ninja gaiden, the game i've been playing the most at the time is my goto, I also only play the jp version of 3

>>11963107
>I like all 3

Ninja Gaiden (SMS), Ninja Gaiden (GG) and Ninja Gaiden Shadow?

>>11963116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbbbFgdCFEA

>it's a wind level
>it's a dark level
>it's a slippery level
>it's a shit in the foreground level

Ninja Gaiden 2 is just annoying to play. And the worst thing isn't even the level hazards, but the fact that they nerfed your sword and its pathetic hitbox can barely hit anything.

Much like Zelda II and Castlevania II, it also stinks. It's annoying to play. Your sword hitbox feels either really small or that it's active frames are too short. I think it's immediately noticeable if you play NG1 and 2 back-to-back. Another thing is that every level has some obnoxious gimmick.

>>11961929 (OP)
II is ok but III mogs both without even trying
>>11961942
>Ninja Gaiden 1
Bad movie game with no level design, shit pacing, boring enemies, terrible bosses and nonexistent sound cues.

>>11963019
Castlevania is still pretty loved and while there hasn't been a mainline in ages (because Konami is busy being retarded as per usual) there have been modern things like Vampire Survivor (being a clear homage to it to the point they even got a crossover with them somehow) and Hollow Knight (reminding people that metroidvania are fun even if this site hates it for some strange reason) keeping it fresh in people's minds.

Meanwhile Ninja Gaiden only really ever gets compared to Devil May Cry due to the 3D games and not very favorably since DMC fans can be a bit...let's say special.

>>11963558
>Bad movie game
True
>see pit
>have to press jump
>see enemy
>have to press attack
QTE moviegame garbage

>>11963568
The sad thing is I know you're joking but retards actually do think something like Ninja Gaiden counts as a movie game.

>>11961929 (OP)
Canonically Respect Deez Nutz

>>11963569
I've noticed this trend and I think it's because a lot of people will comment on games they've read a blurb about but never actually played before. e.g. someone reads the Ninja Gaiden article on Wikipedia, "notable for having cutscenes when few games did" and think that means it's a moviegame. There was a Prince of Persia thread a while back where some anon declared it a 'moviegame', probably because they saw it described somewhere as a cinematic platformer.

>>11963619
>movie game
That's its unique selling point, it's not a FMV game obviously but the cutscenes are what made it popular. This and great music. But is it as good as Strider? Is it as good as Shinobi games? Is it as good as Ninja Spirit? Is it as good as Tiger Road? Is it as good as Kabuki quantum fighter? Is it as good as nes Batman games? NO. And I can go on and on. I was very surprised by how much boomers hyped up that game which was at best mid by already low famicom standards. It's the MM2 of the series and at least the sequels were better.

>>11962248
This. Ninja Gaiden 1 is what sonic fans thinks sonic games are.

>>11963631
Final Fantasy VII and MGS are moviegames. Ninja Gaiden has cutscenes, that doesn't make it a moviegame.

>>11963631
>That's its unique selling point
No. I could maybe agree if you were talking about Valis or some shit but this was absolutely not the case with Ninja Gaiden. I haven't played all of the games you've listed but yeah I think Ninja Gaiden is a great action sidescroller, there's no doubt about that. I honestly don't get how anyone who enjoys the genre could think that Ninja Gaiden is 'at best mid', let alone bad like you claim in your previous post. You probably just have an agenda against the game because it's one of the most popular games in its genre and I don't blame you, that's just board culture after all. Popular thing bad regardless of its quality

>>11963619
Personally I just think they're either idiots or people pretending to be idiots and presenting obvious bad faith arguments to make people mad since 4chan is dead and no one is allowed to be genuine about stuff they like if it's not on the pre-approved list (and even then it makes some people mad)

>>11962117
I recently started playing ninja gaiden black for the first time and it feels like a real good beat 'em up. Which reminded me that the original ninja gaiden was an arcade beat 'em up. In that sense 3d ninja gaiden is a great successor to the original game, just not to the one people usually have in mind.

>>11963686
>pre-approved list
The pre-approved /vr/ list consists of 0 games

>>11963693
Their personal per-approved list they played a child / teen might have fit better.

>>11963689
>Which reminded me that the original ninja gaiden was an arcade beat 'em up
no it isn't, a beat em up is focused on extended crowd control of enemies on a single screen. ninja gaiden is focused on constant forward momentum and platforming with enemies functioning more as brief obstacles.

>>11961929 (OP)
it filters a lot of ppl
i think thats it
its definitely one of the tightest controls on any sidecrolling action-platformer in the 8-bit era. there are no tighter controls to be had anywhere

>>11963875
>ninja gaiden is focused on constant forward momentum and platforming with enemies functioning more as brief obstacles
this is the thing that i think rly gets ppl
they know its a hard game, so they try to take it slow to compensate
but going slow in a NG game is a fucking death sentence. so they just get frustrated and give up

One day I'm gonna own all three Ninja Gaidens for the NES and I will know.

>>11963875
Read again. I'm not talking about the NES game, I said the original Ninja Gaiden was an ARCADE beat 'em up. Notice the word arcade. This one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqaS5WA3IsA
Developed at the same time as the NES game, but got released first.

>>11961929 (OP)
Horror and fantasy have both been adapted by the uh, lets call them modern blue haired discord users, and both of those series most overrated entries are anime

Ninjas remained with Gen X and early Millennials, so it's safe with us

>>11964190
>Ninjas remained with Gen X and early Millennials
Wait, are ninjas no longer a thing? Do young people not think ninjas are cool? I thought it was just a universal thing

>>11963565
>>11961962
Not every. 2 has a worse story, and it's not nearly as challenging. It's still my favorite of the trilogy, though.

>Ninja Gaiden only really ever gets compared to Devil May Cry due to the 3D games
Maybe Ragebound will turn that perception around a bit?

>>11965262
ninja gaiden 2's story sucks so bad, it somehow manages to be overlong in an nes game.

>>11965262
Rageboung will probably be compared to the new Shinobi if anything