Thread 11968179

It's 2001 to 2005. How would you have saved the GameCube?

Slide thread.

I, Shigeru Miyamoto, would stop masturbating to Weegee rule 34.

>>11968179 (OP)
A first party quality game for young adults at launch

>>11968179 (OP)
Honestly I don't think there was much Nintendo could have done apart from simply doing what they did with the Wii and make a console targetted towards the casual crowd. The gamecube was essentially Nintendo doing its best to create a gaming device catered specifically to gamers. It was graphically more impressive than the PS2, surprisingly easy to code for, had 4 ports for multiplayer, it's disc system while limited kept the lunchbox price low compared to its competitors, and they truly tried to win back third party support for the thing. But the demographic Nintendo was trying to lure back already had preconceived notions of what a Nintendo console was and had severe brand loyalty to sony or were willing to try the xbox instead. Yeah you could have standardized the disc format to play dvds, you could have added a modem, you could have made it a less gay fucking color, but the reality is that the GameCube was never going to sell to the demographic thar Nintendo was chasing even if they did a damn good job with this console.

no way to make it sell more; the damn thing looks like a fisher price toy. still a great console though

>>11968179 (OP)
Ship it with an Ethernet port built in.

1. Wave Races (a release title) sells at a reduced price ($30 instead of $50). Has online multiplayer.
2. Pay Sega to release a version of PSO within the first six months of release.
3. Animal Crossing has online visits to friends.

This, of course, is done with anything less retarded than friend codes.

DONE!

>>11968179 (OP)
I would have tried releasing it at the same time PS2 released.

>>11968215
Melee and Mario Kart should also have online play.

I sign exclusivity for the most critically acclaimed best million selling new franchise of the previous generation.

Trust me, it's the new hottest thing, there is no way people will stop liking survival horror overnight.

>>11968227
Of course. I primarily focused on the release titles + AC for attracting girls.

>>11968179 (OP)
I wouldn't change a single thing. I would listen to what it has to say and that's what no one did.

>>11968197
>It was graphically more impressive than the PS2
Where did this myth start? Most multiplats look better on PS2 because of higher quality textures. Gamecube is limited to 1/3 file size in comparison to PS2

>>11968179 (OP)
It wasn't too bad as a stopgap system until they released the Wii... but to make it an actual good system... I don't know what they could have done because games just weren't that good at that point in time.

>>11968179 (OP)
Full size DVDs. That would have been their best hope.

>>11968362
I thought the PS2 used smaller textures because of an internal limitation?

>>11968215
The PS2 didn't have an ethernet port built in until the slim. As a kid I didn't know anyone who played PS2 online.

>>11968179 (OP)
Port tons of M rated first person shooters.

Replace the retarded yellow C stick with an identical gray analog stick.

>>11968362
It's not a myth, the Gamecube has a fat more powerule cpu and gpu. Just because third parties were lazy and just used the lowest rez version of game for its port doesn't mean anything. Not to mention you're blind if you think RE4 looks better on PS2

>>11968197
There’s plenty that Nintendo could’ve done.

>use actual full-sized DVDs rather than mini-DVDs
>go hard on internet and online multiplayer, including online modes in 1st party games like smash and Mario kart
>literally pay rockstar money to port the GTAs to GameCube, like Microsoft did for the Xbox ports

Nintendo were completely unwilling to try the shit that would’ve actually made a difference. The Wii was them throwing their hands up and saying “We tried nothing, and nothing worked!”

Also I really don’t think Nintendo get enough shit for how hard they put the middle finger up to their traditional fans with the Wii. Circa 2008 (especially after that terrible E3) I remember there being a widespread concern that they would completely stop making traditional games like Mario, Zelda, Metroid and focus only on “Wii Sports/Play/Party/Music/Fit” shovelware instead. 2006-2016 were the worst years ever to be a Nintendo fan. It was the “We want the modern audience” meme before that was even a thing.

>>11968830
>Also I really don’t think Nintendo get enough shit for how hard they put the middle finger up to their traditional fans with the Wii. Circa 2008 (especially after that terrible E3) I remember there being a widespread concern that they would completely stop making traditional games like Mario, Zelda, Metroid and focus only on “Wii Sports/Play/Party/Music/Fit” shovelware instead. 2006-2016 were the worst years ever to be a Nintendo fan. It was the “We want the modern audience” meme before that was even a thing
Not retro

>>11968179 (OP)
Keep Rare and move Mother 3 to the cube.

>>11968830
The end of the Wii lifespan was when they finally began releasing more "game fan" type releases.

>>11968179 (OP)
Just change the default color and remove the handle

I hate these threads

Take private jet to OP's house and beat the shit out of him for making this thread in 25 years

>>11968830
>They should have did what Xbox did!
Oh wow and then still be third place in the market while not even making a profit on the system in question? Xbox only sold 2 million more units than the Gamecube. The system was alredy trying to win back hardcore gamers and still lost. Putting more money into a losing battle wasn't going to make the Gamecube sell more. The great irony is Nintendo got more third party support from studios like Rockstar when they pushed for the casual market.

>>11969035
>Oh wow and then still be third place in the market while not even making a profit on the system in question?
I guarantee you if Nintendo had done everything I said in >>11968830 they would have comfortably outsold the Xbox, and it would've been Microsoft in 3rd place.

For one thing, if Nintendo had pursued online multiplayer (like NoA wanted to do, but the Japanese branch disagreed), Xbox Live would've looked much less unique.

But also, Nintendo actually lost a lot of customers to Xbox during 6th gen. Xbox attracted those FPS and multiplayer gamers who all owned N64s during 5th gen for games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok, etc. A stronger Nintendo in 6th gen would've kept those customers.

>The system was alredy trying to win back hardcore gamers and still lost.
Not really. You can't really say they were actually trying when they weren't offering some of the biggest things hardcore gamers wanted (GTA, FPSes, and online multiplayer).

The format issue held them back on this front too. A GameCube that used full-sized DVDs could've had other ports of big "hardcore" games like Final Fantasy X or Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3. These games were impossible on the GCN in our timeline due to the lack of space on mini-DVDs.

>The great irony is Nintendo got more third party support from studios like Rockstar when they pushed for the casual market.
Barely. Rockstar released Manhunt 2 and Bully on the Wii, sure, but they still kept their #1 franchise - GTA - completely off of the system, even though they could've easily ported the PS2 trilogy. The Wii had basically no 3rd party support other than shovelware and kiddy games. GameCube unironically had more, there were plenty of multiplat franchises eg. TimeSplitters, Splinter Cell, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, Tomb Raider etc that came to the Cube and were fully on par with their PS2/Xbox versions (with the exception of online multiplayer).

>>11968830
I think they should have done this and design the exterior of the console in a way that prevents it from getting a kiddie-image. Also try to get third-party support on it as well as not losing Rareware.

>>11969175
In all honesty they maybe should've just kept Dolphin as the official name and had a more PS2/Xbox-esque design. Could've had silver as the default colour of the console, similar to an actual dolphin.

>Also try to get third-party support on it as well as not losing Rareware.
Agreed. Would've been a lot better for Rare, too. Nintendo would've kept them in shape.

At a minimum if they had bought Rare you would've seen Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, and Donkey Kong Racing all release as GameCube games. I also think Nintendo would've insisted they make a Banjo 3, and the cancelled Conker sequel could've still been on the cards too. I know some people don't like these games (especially Ghoulies) but it still would've been a bonus to the Cube's library and would've been an advantage over Xbox.

>>11969273
There was also a Perfect Dark spin-off being planned called Velvet Dark. They cancelled it somewhere in 2000, in order to focus on Perfect Dark Zero.

>>11968197
>and they truly tried to win back third party support for the thing
If Nintendo gave a single shit about third parties they wouldn't have put less buttons on the controller than all their competitors

>>11969359
>>11968197
The truth some people refuse to acknowledge is that the Wii was not made because "Nintendo tried to appeal to hardcore gamers and failed, so they went in a different direction". The earliest concepts of the Wii were in the works as far back as 2001, when nobody had any clue whether the GameCube would be a success or not. There WAS a pitch for a true HD 7th gen console codenamed "Tako" (which came out in the 2019 Gigaleaks), but it doesn't appear to have ever been seriously pursued.

Iwata at E3 2003 was already on stage talking about the fact that graphics had, apparently, in his mind, already "advanced enough" and were indistinguishable from reality. The man was ideologically obsessed with the idea that Nintendo should make nothing but underpowered shitboxes with a focus on gimmicks. The GameCube could've sold 50+ million and he still would've insisted on making a Wii.

The only way you could truly save Nintendo and stop them going down the path they did between 2006-2016 is to somehow go back in time and prevent Iwata ever becoming president, at all costs.

>>11968940
seethe

have 4 shoulder buttons like PS2 and Xbox, instead of 3.
example:
>SSX Tricky (snowboarding game, very fun, if you don't know you are missing out)
>certain tricks possible on the PS2 and Xbox versions were not possible on the Gamecube version due to the lack of a fourth shoulder button

>>11968179 (OP)
Gamers were hung up on the GC being too "kiddie" at the time, so if the only objective were to get the GameCube to succeed and I were in Nintendo's position, I'd probably invest into making a polished First Person Shooter game with a focus on multiplayer, and potentially release a big box online bundle that includes the network adapter for online play. The previous generation, Goldeneye was an incredibly popular title on their platform, one that still gets regular community engagement to this very day. It's clear that at that time, Goldeneye left an impression with audiences and Nintendo didn't offer anything quite like it with the GameCube. The only issue is that Nintendo would have had some stiff competition with Halo 1, and even stiffer competition with Halo 2 and its online capability, but I believe if Nintendo beat them to the punch they could've had a real system seller.

>>11971195
Which begs the other question: Why the fuck didn't retro include a multiplayer mode for metroid prime 1?

>>11968830
>>11968876
The Wii Sports games alone were better than shit like Other M and SS.

>>11971195
>I'd probably invest into making a polished First Person Shooter game with a focus on multiplayer, and potentially release a big box online bundle that includes the network adapter for online play.
The easiest way to do that is to buy Rare in 2002 (like Nintendo should've done anyway) and make it Perfect Dark.

Also, they probably could've shoehorned in an online multiplayer mode in Metroid Prime and gone for the Halo audience with that one.

>>11970263
Make better threads

>>11971195
Well said. N64 was known as the FPS console of its generation. No idea why they threw that all away during the Gamecube.

>>11971708
I don't think they did it intentionally. They lost the FPS market because they retardedly thought online was a fad and so didn't bother pursuing it on the GameCube (for anything other than PSO at least).

Notoriously, the very first Battlefield game was originally meant to be a GameCube exclusive during early development (2000ish), probably because of Nintendo's strong reputation for multiplayer FPSes at that time. But it was moved to PC once it became clear GameCube wasn't going to have any online infrastructure.

>>11971195
>>11971708
I do not get this idea that Nintendo was the "go to shooter" console. Just because N64 had like 2 FPS games of decent popularity, like are we pretending medal of honor wasn't a Playstation exclusive? Not to mention that golden eye was looked down on by PC first person shooter fans for it's slugish combat and blatant auto aim. The FPS market for consoles was completely determined by Halo's success. Halo proved a console shooter could actually be a worthwhile, fast paced, and well controlled game. Halo's popularity is what led to the push for online multi-player on consoles. Halo's popularity is what led to a huge increase in FPS ports and development for consoles.

>>11972163
>Notoriously, the very first Battlefield game was originally meant to be a GameCube exclusive
It was merely suggested early into development. The idea to develop it for gamecube was dropped almost immediately. Saying battlefield was meant to be a Gamecube exclusive is like saying FFVII was meant to be an N64 exclusive.

>>11972260
>like are we pretending medal of honor wasn't a Playstation exclusive?
Cool, now name literally any other popular FPS games on PlayStation.

PS1 didn't even have an analog stick until halfway through its lifecycle.

>Not to mention that golden eye was looked down on by PC first person shooter fans for it's slugish combat and blatant auto aim.
You're talking about what PC snobs thought rather than the general public. FPS games on N64 collectively sold millions upon millions. You look at the GameCube best sellers list compared to N64, and FPSes completely disappear. It's clear that Nintendo had an appeal to a certain niche in 5th gen that they completely lost in 6th gen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_64_video_games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_GameCube_video_games

>The idea to develop it for gamecube was dropped almost immediately.
Yes, it was dropped because GameCube wasn't going to have online multiplayer. Not for any other reason.

Thus, it stands to reason that if Nintendo had actually given a fuck and had established proper online infrastructure from the start of the system's lifecycle, they probably could have had Battlefield.

>>11972260
>I do not get this idea that Nintendo was the "go to shooter" console.
It seems to stem from there being a few soft exclusives and goldeneye being very popular. Doom, Medal of Honor, Quake 2, Medal of Honor Underground were all popular on PlayStation so it might be just a matter of under-socialization from 64 diehards.

>>11972278
>You look at the GameCube best sellers list compared to N64, and FPSes completely disappear.
Hey nimrod look over those best selling lists again.
The N64 has 1 FPS in it's top 10, with only 3 on the entire list.
The gamecube has an FPS in it's top 10 as well along with 2 others on it's list.
The gamecube and N64 look exactly the same in terms of FPS titles. Not to mention 2 of those shooters on N64 were developed by rare which Microsoft ends up buying regardless.

never make it. release all the exclusives from 2001-2002 as n64 titles and stick to developing the wii. gamecube was awful.

>>11968179 (OP)
Maybe online play and a few more multiplayer arcade games

Did it have online play?

>>11972305
>The gamecube has an FPS in it's top 10 as well along with 2 others on it's list.
Metroid Prime is NOT an FPS, you retard. Being first person does not make it an FPS.

>>11972629
Yes it is you stupid pedantic asshole. It's first person, you shoot a canon. It's a first person shooter. You want to argue that Half Life 2 isn't a shooter because it has physics puzzles?

>>11968179 (OP)
I Include a free Bible with every gamecube. Fox News will announce that the gamecube is the official christian console and then boomers would have bought it because they love Jesus.

>>11972847
The main purpose of Metroid Prime is not to get through levels by shooting enemies, like in Half-Life 2 or Halo or any other single-player FPS.

Retro Studios have always described Prime as a "first person adventure" game.

>>11972858
Combat is done solely through first person shooting. That's literally the criteria of a first person shooter. It doesn't matter that it has adventure game elements. You might as well say Bioshock is an RPG because there are skill trees.

>>11972965
Maybe you wouldn’t have this argument if you conceded to the fact n64 is much more renowned as the fps console of that generation. Metroid prime looks like a gay fart in comparison to goldeneye, twine, perfect dark, Turok trilogy, quakes, duke nukem, doom etc. so shut the fuck up, petrol slime is not the same caliber of fps titles, more of an adventure game considering all the time you’re rolling around as a tin can down sewage pipes.

>>11972965
In Fallout 3 you play in the first-person (unless you're a weirdo who zooms out) and you defeat enemies predominantly by shooting them. I guess it's an FPS then?

>>11972260
>I do not get this idea that Nintendo was the "go to shooter" console
Compared to every other console of the generation it absolutely was. PSX's only successful shooter was Medal of Honor. N64 had three Turok games, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark. I don't think the Saturn even had one exclusive shooter.

Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker released too late and still felt unfinished. Metroid Prime is the only tentpole 2002 Gamecube game which felt complete.

Nintendo have always struggled to release games in a timely manner.

>>11973029
It is in the same vein as Deus Ex. An FPS where the actual shooting feels terrible.

>>11968179 (OP)
Put some games on it?

>>11968179 (OP)
What are you fucking even talking about? Everyone I knew growing up had a gamecube. It stayed its course just like every other console. Are you retarded zoomers so detached from reality you think it sold like 100 units or something? Kill yourself.