Thread 11970535

Toshinden is a Capcom game

Only the arcade port of 2, it even has different music

Still wild that for a very brief period of time, Sofia was Sony's mascot.

>>11970584
Only in America. They were trying hard to have a mascot, while the Japanese side would just shake their heads and go "the Sony name is enough to sell"

What went wrong on Saturn?

>>11970584
Toshinden was really hot shit for a few months. I remember the Game Players cover - "BEST BRAWLER EVER"

>>11970629
having to use a saturn already knocks like 3 points on top of any problem the port may have.

>>11970629
BAT2 never came out on Saturn, Saturn got Toshinden URA instead, which wasn't nearly as good

>you get to play as Gaia
>they removed his armor

>>11971658
First game has so much charm (so do the others), fuck the haters.

>>11970535 (OP)
id say that capcom should buy the IP off sony's limbo

>>11971675
I really don't understand the hateboner Toshinden gets. Yeah, it feels a bit primitive compared to some other fighting games, even on the same console, but people act like the game killed their family or some shit.

>>11971694
Because it was getting near perfect scores across the board because it was the best looking fighter for home consoles in early 95, but underneath there was only a somewhat mediocre fighter.

>>11971694
FGC adjacent "Influencers" like Maximilian, Super Best Friends, JWong, etc had a detrimental impact on the perception of fighting games as a whole. They said something was good or bad, and it became gospel. Just like James Rolfe with Nintendo games.

BAT3 was silly, and Subaru was legit garbage, but BAT1&2 were both quality games.

>>11971694
It was pushed a lot by Sony because it's graphics and tone of the time, but then better stuff came very soon after its release and then people saw it as what it as in reality, then the sequels didn't get that Sony push and was forgotten. I really dislike how it controls and the general feeling of its system.

Toshinden 1 was kino
Toshinden remix was kino
Toshinden URA was Kino
Toshinden 2 was kino
Toshinden 3....hmm...ok it's still good but the arena change was jarring.
Toshinden 4 - what the fuck?
Toshinden Wii - Da fuck is this!?

>>11970660
I remember my friend group instantly treated it like it was shit. I think there was a lot of natural contempt for any fighting game that wasn't SF2 or at least in the arcade. But that's basically a guess and I don't know why we were snobby about it and we certainly couldn't have explained ourselves at the time. It seems like it should have been pretty impressive for 1995 when we'd probably only played a few games of VF1.

>>11972354
I think it retrospect it was because '90s fighting game people were in arcades and console-only fighters were consistently shameful during the fighting game craze. Think Rise of the Robots. So you have to be good enough to transcend that reputational hit and can't just be fine.

>>11970535 (OP)
I did not like this game at all. Maybe I should give it another shot.

>>11970535 (OP)
Only in the arcades. I think my local arcade might still have it up and running, but they specialize in older cabinets whereas the closest Capcom owned arcade which was the only time I ever played Toshinden 2 in arcades no longer carry it. The Capcom owned arcade is mostly crane games these days anyway. It says it right there on that flyer it is for CPS2 conversion.

>>11972525
Do you still reply to yourself marble fag?

>>11972381
It's entirely okay to not like it, I'll admit it's rather feature-barren even for its generation. I was just confused by how hostile some people have been to the game.

>>11972537
Yes. He's you.

>>11972381
Remember when it was pushed as the virtua fighter killer

>>11972575
I probably could have been a Saturn kid if I'd ever seen VF2 in a kiosk or at a friend's in 1995 but it might as well have never existed for me. And the arcade version was such an expensive cab it probably was only in pretty major urban arcades that I never saw either. And VF3 was even more rare to get experience with. For many years the only reference I had mentally for VF was the original game that never felt like anything but a tech demo you put two bucks into then never play again.

>>11970535 (OP)
90s anime style was peak civilization

>>11972354
Stop. This is a major /vr/ pet peeve of mine. Pretending a shitty game is ACTUALLY GOOD because some e-celeb said the game is bad. BAT is a pretty lousy series overall that got a LOT of mileage out of the impressive graphics of the first game.

The first Toshinden used to be my favorite fighting game just because you had 3D movement, weapons, and could knock your friends out of the stage, making them mad. Soul Calibur made it obsolete.

Tomb Raider is a Capcom game

>>11972525
neat. I got BAT 2 longbox too but the label is peeling and one hinge broke
whose signature is that on JP BAT 2?

>>11972962
>Pretending a shitty game is ACTUALLY GOOD
But what if I just like the games?

>>11973376
That doesn't mean it's good. I like and even LOVE plenty of games that are shit. I don't PRETEND they are good and blame phantom Zoomtubers when someone says they suck.

>>11973686
How come you're the authority on what's good or not? What if I think it's good?

>>11971691
>let's give it to a more sucky company because of another sucky company is squatting the IP
Sony should just release it to Japanese public domain and let the doujinsoft scene handle everything.

>>11972354
>Just like James Rolfe with Nintendo games.
Although it was for comedic sake. For example, he doesn't actually hate Blaster Master, he loves it.

>>11973981
Doujinsoft these days is cucked to oblivion, and bible black, boku no pico and futashit are to blame for such a decline and "inspiration".

>>11974019
Boku no Pico is 20 years old now.

>>11971691
>>11973981
Sony does not own Toshinden, they only published the first game overseas and 2 and 3 in Europe. The IP belongs to Takara.

>>11974036
That's why the last one was Wii exclusive

Now would be the best time for a modest-budget reboot to snatch up those poor Soulcalibur fans

>>11970558
>it even has different music
No, it had the same music, just chiptuneified.

>>11972354
I love the entire series and played nearly every title in it and most ports and side games too (except the Wii game that only shared the name), but calling any Toshinden game quality is a huge fucking joke. They had many good ideas and even some firsts (sidesteps, attacks that hit in all directions or followed sidesteps, back attacks doing double damage making sidesteps useful for more than just dodging). The character designs, music, even the graphics were all fucking great, the levels looked awesome, but THEY ALL PLAYED LIKE ASS. There's a reason they made the game have 1-button super move inputs, because the controls were fucking garbage in every single entry.

And after the first game they just started stealing everything from other games. TSD2 got super meters from SF, TSD3 got clone characters from Tekken, TSD4 got 8-way free movement from Soul Edge (you had to hold both shifts to be able to run in all directions).

>>11974043
>Now would be the best time for a modest-budget reboot to snatch up those poor Soulcalibur fans

Toshinden and Gouketsuji Ichizoku are the two fighting games I most want to get modern sequels. Unfortunately the latter is owned by Fatlus, which is owned by Sega, so there's 0 chance of them making a new game for it. Even Matrimelee was completely unexpected, and they reused the sprites from that for 4 games.
I think there was some Pachinko game that had 3d models for some of the characters, but that was so long ago they'd probably be unusable today.

>>11972525
Embarrassing.

Why do you have to shit up every thread?

I liked the gameboy version best

>>11973302
IIRC it's from the character designer. He posted those in a prior thread.

>>11974318
It's crazy how Tsukasa's artstyle changed, to the point he can't draw in that stylized way, if you check his recent work his style became more grounded, specially his Gundam The Origin stuff.

>>11974043
>Now would be the best time for a modest-budget reboot to snatch up those poor Soulcalibur fans
Fighting games are too niche nowadays. I have my doubts even an actual Soul Calibur would succeed. They would need a massive budget to make it look amazing to have any chance, and still we have people dooming about VF6 which is doing just that.

>>11974683
That's just /v/ dooming about literally everything. Many fighting games you've likely not even heard of are doing fine with niche yet reliable playerbases

>>11974687
I mean, a big reason people parrot about why the new Fatal Fury failed is that no one is interested in a franchise that has been dead for over 20 years, with dated designs. In the sense that even if they had the best graphics and did everything right they would still be facing an uphill battle against more stablished franchises. Hell, even the latest Mortal Kombat wasn't a big success and that is a huge franchise. Bringing back Toshinden of all things that never had a good reputation and has no real fgc nostalgia would be a big risk.

>>11974079
Was the Wii game any good by its own? Mostly curious since DreamFactory worked on it.

>>11974687
IIRC, the developers of Guilty Gear said they're banking it all on the latest season, because the game didn't make enough money to continue development.

MK1 devs basically put the game on life support.

Only Street Fighter has a reliable playerbase. Even Tekken vets hated 8.

>>11974712
I'd say in some cases it's just inflated budgets. Most fighting game devs would kill to sell as much as T8 or MK1, but MK1 in particular was clearly such an expensive AAA project with real life celebs and such that the expansion not being a huge success is enough to deem it a failure.

>>11974695
>>11974687
>>11974712
Fighting games are basically a "solved" genre, like how EA has "solved" sports games. The playerbase has decided on what the Name Brand of this game genre is and will not try anything else for any reason. If you are not Street Fighter, Smash Bros, or (maybe not anymore) Tekken, you are nothing. Sheer momentum of having the most players means that's the only place players want to be.

Any company who wants to bring a fighting game franchise out of retirement needs to change genres to a musou or something instead to have a chance. Sega is about to feel a NGS-tier failure with VF6 I'm afraid.

>>11972525
why own so many copies of a game you don't play? you are the cancer killing the /vr/ hobby

>>11975248
I'm pretty sure those are all different versions.
Left: american PSX
Top: japanese PSX
Bottom: Toshinden 2 plus
Right: PC version

>>11974725
VF is like the most popular game ever in Japan, so I'm sure they'll do well even if they fail internationally. And the last entries of the games were featured on EVO so they will probably not fail internationally.

>>11974019
>bible black,
Normie's first "hard" hentai
I swear it's legit boring as fuck, even that one scat scene pales to bonkers stuff like NSN.

>>11974683
>Fighting games are too niche nowadays.
Most fighting games sell like 4 to 10 million on average nowadays. What the hell are you talking about?

>>11975558
>VF is like the most popular game ever in Japan
No, most fighting games have a diehard audience in Japan that still have regular big tournaments including Virtual On, Bloody Roar, and even Super Dragonball Z. VF certainly has more than those, but it's still dwarfed by SF and Tekken.

EVO also has plenty of meme games and dead games as side shows to fill slots, this means nothing. Add that to the recent "hype cycle" Sega is paying out for VF, and you can see it's not really organic interest.

>>11976332
Yet it was huge in japan because of normalfags and weebs, but also you can blame the quick culture shift there where the vanilla otaku who knew of Viper and rance series died and it was replaced by normalfags and winemoms, said winemoms who are also fujos.
It seems that everything bad in japan that is happening to japan these days, can be always tracked back to 1995-1996.

>>11976339
>Most fighting games
Street Fighter, Tekken and MK are the only ones selling that much. ArcSys is right behind. No one else can even approach them.

>>11974712
>Japanese game with modern western sensiblities didn't make enough money to continue development.
Who would have thunk?

>>11971694
It's a mediocre game that the media tried to pass for a masterpiece

>>11976393
which fighting games should be selling as much as the big 3 anyways?

>>11976805
My favorite, Anime Airdash Autocombo Fighter #591.

>>11976951
does it have all those epic hitstops, impact frames, and tag mechanics too?

>>11973192
N9w this is controversial

>>11976673
But it plays fine.

>>11970535 (OP)
i know all japs draw the same but it really looks like the artist who made dynamite milk. i came buckets to this as a teen

>>11978362
>i know all japs draw the same
Masami Obari initially had one of the most unique art styles in anime, but over the 90s his design quirks were plagiarized left and right by other artists, ironically becoming the look of the decade in retrospect.

>>11978496
OP is not Masami Obari, it's Tsukasa Kotobuki.

>>11976805
DOA

>>11978320
Fine is not good.

>>11974697
It's a mediocre game. The movement is bad and the actual combat is very stiff and stilted. It feels like very half-baked. That being said, it does look great, especially all the chicks in game.

All in all, it's probably one of DreamFactory's worst offerings but it's not the worst game ever. To be fair, that's what most of the Toshinden games are like so there's probably a decent amount of fun to be had with it if you can get friends to play it with you. The chicks still have nice asses and titties though.

>>11980071
But it is.

Toshinden is good and I've never pretended it's not.

>>11973192
Diablo 3 is a Square Enix game

>>11980992
Superman is a Scooby Doo character and Shaggy can use Ultra Instinct from Dragon Ball Super.

EEY EEY EEY EEY EEY EEY EEY

Konami's Turbografx-16

>>11981948
I kinda like her Vega like high pitch cry yell In English dub Toshinden 3, kinda fits her a lot more then the lame ass generic EII EII EII EII EII schoolgirl yell, the problem is that the English speaking voice was terrible but her cri3s I really like.

I kinda want Ellis voice to sound like this:

>Speaking voice and some faint yells: JP
>Attack cry yells: ENG Toshinden 3

>>11981974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyQtX47zagQ huh sounds the same

>>11981994
No it doesn't.

>>11974518
"Can't" is a strong word, we aren't talking about a low skill mangaka that can barely draw their own characters here. Saber Marionette art looks wildly different at literally any point in time even during the 90s and the same guy who is doing dead on imitations of Yasuhiko and 80s Mikimoto also did the character designs for Mayonaka Punch and drawings like this. He can draw however the fuck he feels like.

>>11980992
Neat

>>11981443
>reference meme
>Isn't even the meme itself, it's just Shaggy with the stereotypical DBZ power up aesthetic
>doesn't have crazy autododges/slow down that would give the anime whores of nuSmash a run for their money
More reason to rag on Tony for this fuck up.