Thread 11972343

Why did Sony hate 480p? This thing barely had games capable of 480p while all the other systems of that gen had most of their catalogue being 480p compatible.

Because the overwhelming majority of displays people used for console gaming back then were interlaced, standard definition tube TVs, and thus the PS2 was designed with those TVs in mind.
You're not a sad faggot who plays old games on a flat panel display, are you?

>>11972396
Video game systems used to push the envelope, otherwise we would still be using the same resolution as Atari 2600 games. With your judgement, PS3 and XBOX 360 would've never been HD compatible. Hell, even the OG XBOX had several games capable of 720p, a system released in 2001! You are not taking anyone's toys for making games 480p compatible, they'll still work on 480i panels if needed, or did the Dreamcast and GameCube not work on your CRT? It was laziness, pure and simple.

I don't understand this faggotry of always defending the majority choice here on /vr/. Shame of a "hobbyist" board.

480i must've been easier on the hardware compared to 480p right? Since effectively its the same bandwidth as 240p. These things matter less when everyone has a crt

>>11972416
I don't know, but GT4 is widely thought as one of the graphical powerhorses of the PS2, and it had 480p and 1080i modes.

>>11972418
that was at the end of the console's lifespan. I dont know how it was for other people at the time but there was no way an average consumer was going out of their way to find the correct cables to get 480p. all games that generation had to be optimized for 480i because thats what the console will do out of the box

>>11972343 (OP)
They built it cheap so that they could put that DVD player in it.

>>11972416
>half the resolution is easier on the hardware than the full resolution, right?

it wasn't needed on the average crt, as most people didn't care. resolution is something that 00s audiences needed to be groomed into understanding, and even then they just assume bigger number = better

For whatever reason, the PS2 can't output in progressive scan with a reduced horizontal resolution, which most games used to save on VRAM. If you try using something like GSM the picture gets pillarboxed. The Gamecube for example didn't have this limitation.

>>11972416
It's only easier on the hardware if you do field rendering, which most games didn't do.

>>11972465
Games forced into 480p are using the framebuffer as output with no scaling, so an 8:7 image is sent to the display.
>Gamecube for example didn't have this limitation
Gamecube always pre-scales. It also runs games at the same 8:7 aspect ratio.

Some games are perfectly fine, most renderware games are proper 4:3 480p. Invest in a scaler to address this and you can enjoy all kinds of games in 4:3 480p.

>>11972415
>they'll still work on 480i panels if needed, or did the Dreamcast and GameCube not work on your CRT?
Yes, and having 480p is fine. But Sony prioritizing 480i was objectively the right call and not some weird oversight. Field rendering on PS2 made the games far better suited for those screens, whereas the other systems used flicker filtering when outputting games to CRT displays, which made their games look blurry as fuck even by CRT standards.

>>11972494
wtf you're talking about? games on DC/GC/XBOX always looked crispy clean compared to PS2. In fact people always complained that PS2 games looked blurrier than the competition.

>>11972502
I've never seen people complain about PS2 looking blurry, I've only ever seen it in this exact same post which has been getting posted in threads like this for 5 years now.

So demonstrate it.

>>11972528
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11733347
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/8988025
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/8524873
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11763896#p11764117
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11733347#p11735815
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11519260#p11519270
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11486146#p11486448

etc etc etc I got tired. Fuck you.

>>11972343 (OP)
It Played dvd dumbass
>>11972396
This and studd like ico, mgs2, sotc, good of war, devil may cry etc etc looked great

>>11972563
>It Played dvd dumbass
So did the XBOX

>>11972396
>>11972494
>When Sony makes an underpowered shitbox, its okay!

Holy KEK.

How much you wanna bet these Anons would be pissing and raging and mocking Nintendo if it was the other way round and it was the GameCube that couldn't do 480p?

>>11972464
I'm most people and I still don't care. Ps1 and 2 look fine on my flat-screen and are too dark for a lot of games on my crt

>>11972573
>insecure cubie trying to keep the shitcube relevant by shilling it in ps2 threads
pathetic

here's the real TRVKE: more people have played 480p games on the PS2 than the shitcube because its component cables weren't sold through a handful of Semitic online retailers like jewcube

>>11972713
>random sperging about DA JOOZ out of nowhere
A Snoy and a /pol/tard, how cute.

>>11972551
Dang OP has made this shitty thread so many times.

>>11972838
lil cubie knows she gets BTFO whenever games, controllers, backwards compatibility, or only support is brought up, so she has to make make 480p pity cope threads like this

>>11972845
Cube games have that ugly green tinge which looks like puke.

Seethe and cope forever :^)

>>11972845
>only support
online support*

>>11972838
>>11972845
>>11972849
The Discord brigade has arrived

>>11972853
You should be afraid this is a natural reaction to your faggotry, not that it requires planning and organization.

>>11972853
>hmmm how could 99.99999% of the population prefer the console with better games, more games, the better controller, cd playback, dvd playback, hdd support, online support, and backwards compatibility that also sold 100+ more million units than the shitcube?
>m-must be a discord psyop!
meds, cubie. and i don't mean your estrogen pills

>>11972551
PS2 was an utterly pathetic console.

>>11972880
SEGA sabotaged all of their ps2 ports because the ps2 singlehandedly killed the dorkast and that was their way of getting revenge

>>11972898
Kek, nice conspiracy theory schizo

>>11972904
Meant for >>11972853

Because 99% people didn't have tvs that can do 480p you zoomer faggot

>>11972954
>99% of people didn't have HDTVs in 2005 therefore X360 shouldn't support HD

>>11972343 (OP)
Why allocate resources for 480p when 90% of households had a low quality CRT TV with only AV input?
It's better and smarter to allocate resources to extending the console's lifespan and capabilities, giving developers ways to push the hardware beyond its superficial limits even years after release.
Compare PS2 games release in 2000 and 2001 to games released in 2005 and 2006. The jump in graphics quality is big.

>>11972880
>early on the ps2 lifespan
>devs had little knowledge of the ps2 hardware
>rushed ports
Considering the graphical leap from CV and RE4, imagine how bad a version of RE4 on the Dreamcast would be.

What a bunch of underage idiots in this thread.

People routinely complained about the jaggies in PS2 games constantly lol. Dreamcast, Xbox and GC all widely supported progressive scan and it was something that games magazines would advertise as a favorable quality whenever games supported it. Plenty of people had shitbox LCD monitors by the early 2000s too, and VGA looked super clean on them despite the various drawbacks compared to CRTs.

This is a very zoomie infested thread, I can tell.

>>11972973
The original launch model 360 didn't support 1080p. It didn't even have HDMI, it maxed out at 720p/1080i over component which is the same as the original Xbox.
They could've added it as HDMI was already a thing, though a more popular option at the time was DVI-D connections which were on many high-end TVs of the era.
Despite that, the games were still made for high-def displays. Dead Rising is the famous example of a game that can't be reasonably played on a standard definition CRT due to its text scaling being fucked.

>>11972573
Faggot, I had a Dreamcast, GameCube and Xbox, but never a PS2—I played these systems over composite.

>>11972973
Are you saying that the PS2 should've been made with 2010 TVs in mind?

>>11973574
The fact that Gran Turismo 4, Soul Calibur 3, Resident Evil 4, Black, God of War, Tekken 5, Shadow of the Colussus, Scarface and many others support 480p is proof that the vast majority of the PS2 games can 480p. It's up to the developer to be able to do it.
LCD monitors of early 2000s is super bad. Literal vomit compared to CRT.

>>11972880
Crazy how far behind the Dreamcast is tech-wise. 5.5th gen console.
Dreamcast is nothing but a N64, but with discs and more RAM.

>>11973626
>Crazy how far behind the Dreamcast is tech-wise. 5.5th gen console.
>Dreamcast is nothing but a N64, but with discs and more RAM.
It felt mind blowing at the time since it was 1gb sized games with n64+ graphics. The jump from n64 sized games with a bump in specs made a big difference. It definitely never held a candle graphically to the other 6th gen consoles but it had a short era where it did feel next gen and not in between.

>>11972343 (OP)
Because normalfags using shitty blurry crts couldn't tell the difference

>>11973578
>it maxed out at 720p
So, it was HD compatible. You went on a pointless tirade trying to 'ackchually' me
>>11973580
The original XBOX had several games made with 2010 TVs in mind. Consoles used to push the fucking envelope. Dreamcast had VGA. Push the fucking envelope! specially a company like Sony, so tech oriented. Putting a DVD in the PS2 was pushing the envelope! and it worked for them.

>>11973804
Xbox has dvd, buddy. Stop being retarded.

>>11972572
Did the PS2 force you to buy add-ons to play DVDs?
I don't remember that, but I do recall the Xbox needing peripherals just to watch them.

>>11974690
No. PS2 controller could be used as a remote. Xbox requiring the DVD remote was some licensing bullshit where Microsoft didn't want to pay it for every console.

>>11974690
You guys are still moving the goalposts stupidly, what do addons and dvds have to do with being able to output 480p or not?

>>11974703
Also Sony always had CD/DVD/Blu-ray at a cheaper cost since they were involved in developing all of them. Sony always made money off of other consoles that used the formats it had partial ownership of.

>>11974705
Wasn't moving goalposts buddy, pal, retard.
Btw, Xbox 1080i per Sims 2 and a few other games.

>>11972343 (OP)
Ken Kuraragi hated 480p

>>11974714
https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_Xbox_games_with_alternate_display_modes

It has several 720p capable games

>>11974726
You are severely mentally impaired, why was there a perceived need to post that hyperlink?
I already know what the Xbox is capable of because I used to have one.

>>11972396
The PS2 is such an expensive console these days. Not only do you need the system, you need an entirely new TV to play it that’s substantially bigger and more expensive. The PS2 is essentially a luxury console for rich people. Who knew that counting backwards would do this.