Thread 11974867

Hello, today I got a generic USB optical drive to burn CDs and DVDs for my consoles (a PSone and a PS2), I know about using HDD/SMB/USB to load Ps2 games but I prefer loading discs.
I tried burning a copy of GTA San Andreas first, noticed the drive has 2x and 4x, I have seen most people say 4x is best for PS2 games, but would 2x be good or even better? The burned copy at 2x seemed to work fine (let the intro fmv play and it didnt stutter) but not sure if that's recommended or not, used Imgburn.
As for PS1, it can burn at 10x speed and up, tried Forsaken and Pac-Man World at 10x, none of them worked on my PS1 (it did recognise them as audio CDs and they played music without skips but they get stuck on the PS logo or give me a wrong disc error) and used Alcohol 120% with the PlayStation option enabled and Imgburn, haven't tried other speeds yet but I read that would be worse (though some say default speed should be fine), is it fine?
Thanks for the help.

>>11974867 (OP)
I don’t know about PS2 games since I use a hard drive, but I have to burn PS1 games at max speed. I always get FMV issues burning at low speeds.

>>11974867 (OP)
You should always use automatic write speed.

>>11974867 (OP)
Were you "launched in 2001 and earlier"

>>11974867 (OP)
I thought so too once but it's nothing but esotheric mumbojumbo. Burn that shit at 24x or faster, it'll work either way.

>>11974867 (OP)
You will regret fooling around with discs. Waste of time over ODEs and HDD loading.

>>11975134
Not him but discs are cool and I like them as well.

Forgot to say my PS2 has a Matrix Infinity chip 1.93, no idea about my PS1 but it has a chip (it loads some of the old discs I had as a kid).
No idea about the brand, they're white discs.

>>11975145
did that lad just say discs are cool?

>>11975134
ode-$150
200 pack of cds-$10

>>11974867 (OP)
the ps1 is really picky with cd-r because it's fucking ancient and was made to read a format that ceased to exists
you want a quality burner and a good disk, this guide should give you a rough idea of the situation https://alex-free.github.io/psx-cdr/
check the quality of your copies with nero disk speed or optidrivecontrol, I have three burners and they all suck apparently

Always use slowest speed. Slower = cleaner burn.

>>11975354
"cleaner burn"? Audiophile grade delusion; there is no gray area between 0 and 1.

>>11975335
The cd brand I bought has worked on my PS1 before (I have some old games using that brand) though no idea about what speed they used for burning them or what tool (some say imgburn, others say nero 8 ultimate and others say alcohol 120%), the one thing that I did find odd was that the burns of Forsaken and Pacman I did sometimes are read as Audio CDs instead of PS1 discs.
The CD Burner I got is some generic one from AliExpress, I know china shit sucks but couldn't find any other besides an LG one that the seller told me it could only record at 8x speed for DVDs.
I will check out later (was playing SA), I want to test it with the DVD5 version of God of War too as afaik that version has a bug where it fails to load the 2nd half of the game (Pandora's Temple and onwards).

>>11975380
LG drives should be good, I would have got that rather than a literal who brand

>>11975358
retard

You need to use legitimate Taiyo Yuden media (not manufactured any more) and a high quality REAL Plextor drive like the 704/712/716/755/760 (other plextors are fakes) and burn at 0.1x speed to make sure you get the most optimal readability for every written bit so the games can work the best in your console.

>>11975358
The reading of the bit is an analog operation, the amplitude of the reflected laser beam is measured, and if it's not high enough to differentiate then the mechanics won't be able to tell if there's a bit there of there isn't. A cleaner burn has the bits more properly formed, and the optical pickup can read it with a higher signal to noise ratio, otherwise it can't make out every bit and will either have to re-try several times or fail altogether. Cleaner burn means the optical pickup can more easily tell between 0 or 1 because it has to measure a difference of 0.1 micrometer and not 0.01 micrometer (which it may interpret as a scratch or a piece of dust).

>>11974867 (OP)
Just fucking burn at what ever the slowest rate is that you can burn at. 2X is fine.
Also don't expect cheap garbage discs to just work. You have to actually look for quality blanks. Also your generic USB burner probably isn't going to cut it. Not saying you're going to need a plextor. Just something mildly respectable.

>>11974867 (OP)
>but I prefer material that will rot within a decade and thus be unreadable
Good on you OP. I was in the same boat then my burned dvd's started dying off slowly.

But if you're determined to burn discs, burn at slowest speed and look up which applications are used for consoles of your choice.

>>11975358
Shockingly, writing the dots and lines is a physical action. Faster = more room for errors, like not burning deep enough. There is no gray area between your early, apparently.

>>11974867 (OP)
>>11975380
What cd brand you using? Verbatim?

I've had a WH14NS40 in an enclosure to burn BDs for years, and I decided to try burning a DVD on it recently and discovered that it actually mogs the shit out of the normal 20-30 dollar internal DVD drives I use normally, using the same CMC TY media at 8x. Nearly perfect scans on Nero DiscSpeed.

>>11975087
that gives me coasters. x8 works on my setup

>>11976019
>burn BDs
what for? ps3 games?

>>11976030
Backups

>>11976034
Is that really cost efficient? Looks really expensive like $100 per TB

>>11976039
They stopped making them last year and I stocked up, it was more like 60 per TB then.
They're write once and use an inorganic layer (M-Disc BDs are a lie since they basically already were) so they're better for cold storage than HDDs.

>>11976039
Its more for archiving than just storage.

PS1: 2x or 4x gives best results
PS2: 8x
Also, good choice using Alcohol for ISOS instead of the shitfest that is Nero or Imgburn

>>11974867 (OP)
>Generic USB Optical Drive
I'm assuming it's this one?
I bought two of them, the first one worked fine for PS1 games most of the time but every backup of PS2 games I did was faulty (stuttering on FMVs, wouldn't pass the menu, red screen, etc..) it lasted for like 2 months before it refused to load discs.
The 2nd and current one I'm using is working super well, sometimes the PS2 burns take longer than usual to boot but besides that they have worked well for me, same for PS1 copies (I burn them at 10x speed and no issues so far, maybe FMV stutter but sometimes it happens and other times it doesn't).
As for burning tools I juggle between Alcohol, Imgburn and cdrtfe.

your issue with ps1 games is almost certainly the usb optical drive
this >>11975335 anon knows what's up, get one of the optical drives listed in the guide and use some decent cdrs and you should be good to go

>>11975354
Why do lower speeds give me not give me working games like higher speeds always do?

>>11974867 (OP)
Man, this takes me back to when used that exact software to make discs for my Dreamcast that got lost or something. Probably the one system I'm not sure what happened to, but playing ROMs from the NES and SNES on it felt magical.
I want to relive it, but it that even possible now?

>>11975358
Retard thinks burning is the same as stamping.

>>11976880
you probably have a recent drive, lowest speed is better for older ones

>>11976880
Never, and Always? Hmm...

>>11975358
>he believes the "computers run on 1s and 0s" myth

>>11974867 (OP)
That burn speed myth is associated with cheap early 00s burners which faked burn speeds in the bios.

>>11975358
>there is no gray area between 0 and 1
Watching OverTheAir television proves this wrong instantly. If you have a bad signal you can still watch the channel. However you're going to get artifacts and other forms of digital corruption. It still work, but it's in the grey area.

>>11974867 (OP)
burn @ aws

>>11977645
>. If you have a bad signal you can still watch the channel. However you're going to get artifacts and other forms of digital corruption. It still work, but it's in the grey area.

Nta, but that's just incorrect. The "artifacts" ruin the presentation and you know it. Yes, you can watch it, but it's like watching a 75% scrambled porn channel back on a 1980s cable box. It's not a gray area-that information just isn't there.

>>11977658
>Nta, but that's just incorrect. The "artifacts" ruin the presentation and you know it.
That's why it's the grey area you retarded.

>>11977738
You don't understand what the phrase "gray area" means then.
Are you the miserable fuck in all the other threads too? Just what is your malfunction?

Anyway, in electronics, saying something is ok because there's "gray area" implies that's in a binary choice between in working just fine or not, which seems contradictory because it is.
So!...If I tell someone that, say, a particular broadcast will be recorded perfectly because not to worry "there's a gray area" it's misleading because that gray area will lead to a failure.

I'm sure none of this got through.

>>11974867 (OP)
>alcohol
I would rather use something else.

>>11975061
There's a commonly spread misconception that burning at lower speeds gives better results. This could be true of older drives but newer M-disc drives tend to work better at faster or automatic speeds.

>>11977795
It was true in the Windows XP days.

>>11975134
The novelty of discs is cool. I also have nostalgia for burned discs in CD cases. My whole teenage years were spent burning CDs. I'd even burn rompack CDs for my friends. I remember when CD players started coming with the ability to read different file formats, then you'd load that fucker up with tons of songs, like 1 hundred sometimes. Anyways, I love pulling out my CD cases full of Saturn and PS1 games and flipping through them with sharpie on the labels. I like it almost as much as fumbling through my box of loose Gameboy games.

OP use the lowest your drive supports, back in the day used to pick-up certain speeds because of computer speeds on those days & a lot of ODDs and software didn't have "workarounds" to make the burning safer (less errors) so people used to try to play both safe & fast burns. There are some games that really don't like lower speeds, specially for in-game videos (if not only).

I'd day the sweet-spot in general is burning at 2.4X, I used to burn X360 back-ups, they worked perfectly fine, never had an issue, except for the console itself, that X360 had been through some shit, original Arcade version still working without 3 leds of death.

Also about the PS1 issues, the ODD lens has potentiometers that adjusts its beam-power, check info on that before playing with those as may improve reading at cost of its life.

>>11976764
Elaborate on why Nero or IMGBurn suck, personally I'd say that is a skill issue coming from you as I had used those 3, additionally CloneCD as well with no issues on any.

>>11974867 (OP)
Use the highest speed you can through IMGBurn. It's not 2003 anymore, these retards don't know what they're talking about.

>>11977775
The Grey Area. Is an area where it works, but it kinda doesn't. There are defects / imperfections. What the fuck is so hard to understand about this? Do you have to argue with every fucking thing?

>>11977950
>Do you have to argue with every fucking thing?
Do you? Gray area is always, ALWAYS used in reality as shorthand for "it'll work as intended somehow", but no, incomplete garbled junk mixed with 80% ok material is not a gray area, it's fucking blackness. Dank dark blackness of fuckery.

>>11977956
Could you try to be a little less autistic? It's really fucking annoying. And no, you're completely fucking wrong with the terminology. It does not mean that.

>>11977962
I don't give a shit what that says, I'm still right.
If a car mechanic told you that "don't worry, it won't break down, there's a gray area." would you trust them?

Btw I notice you're spelling it "grey" while I spell it "gray", making you a European, so I win by default.

>>11977965
You're not right. You're just retarded.