Thread 11976754

Speedrunning died when runners started using real time instead of in-game time
>but it's not as accurate!
doesn't matter, it's soulless

>>11976754 (OP)
They still use in game time for classic Sonic games as far as I’m aware.

Goldeneye players are soulful for this.

>using real time
you didn't speedrun it

speedrunning sux, post your high scores nerd

>>11976775
don't have any screenshots but RE games have the best of both: there's a rank at the end, and part of getting the best rank was beating the game in under 2 hours or something

>>11976754 (OP)
It was never about the speedrunning, it was about the mechanical precision they made along the way.

Dial back the speed and make the execution look cool you god damn autismos.

>>11976754 (OP)
I agree. Also, speedrunning is always cheating and illegitimate unless the entire game is gone through without glitches or other exploits.

>>11976754 (OP)
speedrunning will always be retarded since the most optimal run will always involve playing the game as little as possible

>>11976767
Isn't the in-game clock fairly accurate?

>>11976892
That's what they do, anon. They perform a glitch, skip 99.999% of the game, then declare themselves the best player ever because they "beat the game the fastest."

None of you even speedrun.

>>11976906
I invented it in 1989 with Ninja Gaiden NES, kiddo.

>>11976892
Some games have a 100% category, but even any% many games are not ruined by it

I think part of the fun of old speedrunning (I didn't really call it that at the time though) was ironically the casualness of it
As I said earlier, RE2 and RE3 has ranks with a timer (not sure about RE1), MGS has ranks at the end, even DKC had a little Cranky joke at the end about beating the game in 1 hour
I had a highschool friend who bragged a couple times he could beat DKC3 105% in 4 hours or something
Even the pros on SDA and youtube were more fun to watch, the gameplay often looked like how a normal person would play just much more efficient

>>11976902
Most games have 100% completion or no glitch categories if you're really autistic and want them to be much longer than they need to be.

>>11976906
I beat SOTN in under an hour once

>>11976924
Imagine telling someone you ran from point a to point b, but you really took a cab.

>>11976906
I only ever seriously "ran" RE3 back in the day, and also did fun challenges like pistol only or knife only
ofc this was as a teen by myself at home, maybe you only consider "real" speedrunning to post your times online?
I even remember my older brother "speedrunning" sonic and took some pictures with his film camera to send to a magazine, but turns out after the pictures got ready it was all white, apparently he took the pictures wrong and the room should have been way darker when taking the pics

>>11976947
Well, the point of the any% categories is usually that you finish the game as fast as possible using whatever methods that are available, it's not trying to say otherwise.

Speedrunning died when GDQ became about promoting the trans and grooming movement.

The 2 are linked at the hip now

>>11976895
Nah, looking down gives a very measurable boost to framerate and thus real time.

It was a pretty nasty controversy when someone took a guide literally and discovered this.

>>11976906
>nobody on /vr/ is a current or former speedrunner
nah, this place would attract that type

t. former F-zero X time trials competitor

>>11977232
just ignore GDQ and watch only the runners you like
and I don't even use twitch either, I only watch full runs on youtube
GDQ sucks since they left the basement anyways, even before the trans stuff started

>>11976767
For now... there have been several clear examples of faster runs (by over a second) having slower in-game times than the next slowest real-time run.

>>11976754 (OP)
The only legitimate way is to inject a frame counter into the game.

>>11976885
There are no glitches used in the super metroid run. It has only intended mechanics because it's the best fucking game that nintendo ever made. Zeldafags btfo, mariofags btfo. Get fucked, losers.

>>11977232
The only appeal of it is seeing how people exploit a game's mechanics.

>>11976906
I prefer to keep my penis thank you very much.

>>11977262
Honestly I don't know why this isn't the gold standard considering how many "speedruns" are played with emulators which intentionally fudge frame times by microseconds so they play smoothly on monitors with refresh rates that don't perfectly align with the intended crt timings

a human might not notice that the game is running 0.1% too fast in normal play, but over the course of an entire speedrun that adds up

>>11976754 (OP)
I prefer slowrunning

>>11976754 (OP)
Anyone who is entertained by some retard exploiting glitches should be sterilized. Glitchless speedruns I can understand appreciating because they're actually playing the game.

>>11977897
Finally someone else gets it.

>>11977262
>>11977715
Yeah I've always been fine with people speedrunning for its own sake and just trying to get under a certain time but turning it into some competitive endeavor where the differences between runs are measured in fractions of seconds kind of smells fishy to me. Is there any standardization to this shit? And if not, how can we rely on any times to be accurate down to tenths or even hundredths of seconds? It feels like faux accuracy but everyone wants to treat these times like they're olympic records or something

>>11977267
>intended mechanics like glitching through a roof, and moonfalling so hard you glitch up the game's background.

There is no blanket rule about using in-game time or real time. It depends on the game.

>>11976906
True. Thanks for the compliment.

>>11977262
Top Super Mario Bros. speedrun times are measured in frames. They don't inject a frame counter into the game or anything. You can tell how many frames a run is by counting framerules and going through the last second of 8-4 frame by frame and seeing how many frames elapse since the last tick of the in game timer.

>>11976906
Speed running is gay. I can't imagine how fucking pathetic someone has to be to waste their life actively trying to not enjoy a videogame by rushing through it in thr most micromanaged way possible. Speedrunnere turned gaming into a fucking job and they're just as bad as those "competive" gamers.

>>11976767
The Elite are a different level of degenerate. Literally playing "look at the floor" simulator for hours on end, dishes in the sink piled tf up and crusting orange.

>>11978171
nobody here actually watches speedruns. this thread is just an excuse to get outraged about trannies

>>11976787
RE and MGS are GOAT speedrunning games that are almost impossible to ruin and discordify unless you use glitches, which render the speedrun pointless anyway.

>>11976754 (OP)
I genuinely dislike all the top Super Metroid sprunners, they're all full of themselves and can't take a joke except for Behemoth87 who is a chad and very self-deprecating. Shinyzeni is a fucking faggot.

>>11978581
honestly the timing method is probably not even the main problem, it's just everything being optimized and boring now
Trying to beat RE3 in under 2 hours as a bored teen feels more soulful compared to an adult grinding the game 10 hours a day and reseting all the time
little sidenote: a few years ago RE3 runners started using some sort of "grenade launcher tool" or whatever it's called, so they ALWAYS get the grenade launcher in the PD and don't have to reset when getting the magnum instead
These mfs ruined one of my favorite games to watch with this bullshit and since them I never really looked at speedrunners the same way again
But I understand there's no going back now and I'm not asking for anyone to cater to me, I'm just saying it's soulless now
And really anything gets boring after you do it enough, maybe I just saw all the games/records I'm interested in and speedrun videos are not for me anymore

I made this thread mostly to vent, not really intended to troll or put modern runners down or anything

>>11978807
ftfy

Speedrunning died, when they started to play indie games.

>>11978807
Yeah, glitches, RNG manip., frame data and all that shit ruined so much of the mystique and fun around 'being good at a game' and now it is weird dudes in their mother's house having mental breakdowns because they missed a jump or got hit during their warp/glitch run they have spent ten years working on with the Venezuelan version of the game which is optimal for their bullshit run. Also, still don't know what DF6 and all that other bullshit is for fighting gane command talk or what character is what tier. Still win almost all the time with the character I picked because I lIked the way they look.

>>11978847
I don't have an issue with any of that but using external tools/mods is gay

>>11978807
>And really anything gets boring after you do it enough, maybe I just saw all the games/records I'm interested in and speedrun videos are not for me anymore
You're probably having a burn out. Stay away from it for long enough and one day randomly you're gonna want to watch a random speedrun.

>>11978403
>actively trying to not enjoy a videogame by rushing through it in thr most micromanaged way possible
Both speedrunners and competitive gamers enjoy the game so much that they don't want to move on after beating it. They wanna keep playing the same game over and over, but there's nothing else to do in it. That's where this kind of self imposed challenge comes from, pure harmless autism. However, I've seen people who are addicted to speedrunning and would pick up games they never played just to speedrun, and don't even know the plot or even know the parts of the game that aren't a part of the speedrun route, now those people are retarded.

>>11976754 (OP)
The shorter and more precise answer is: Autism killed speedrunning.

>>11978995
Yeah, that's my main issue. When it stops being fun besides having your gaymer name on some ranking on a site and the actual speedrun permutates into something that doesn't resemble the actual game at all and you are backwards jumping to glitch through some wall to skip half the game and doing some rehearsed act instead of playing and reacting to the game and using your skill and knowledge to navigate the situation.

>>11976924
>Most games have 100% completion or no glitch categories
Unfortunately even those are a shitshow. 100% except we collect everything out of order and glitch our way into NPC scripts that award us items without doing any work.
And "glitchless" but the following glitches are allowed because without them it would require us to actually play the game and none of us know how to play the game straight up.
I hate speedrunners.

>>11979340
>"glitchless" but the following glitches are allowed
This shit actually pisses me off so bad.

>>11979340
>it would require us to actually play the game and none of us know how to play the game straight up.
That's the actual crazy part, some fucks practice a game for dozen of hours but get lost if they try to play it casually, wat the fuck??

seems like you spergs just hate the idea of leaderboards. maybe get into longplays, I prefer those instead of troonruns.

>>11979340
>>11979364
the category term is usually no major glitches, retards. sorry for your illiteracy. go into the category extensions if you want none period.

>>11979420
>no major glitches

>>11976754 (OP)
theres a bunch, like a lot, of games that still use in game time.

>>11976906
You say it like it is a bad thing

>>11976767
>>11978408
https://youtu.be/b56N17d4WnM?si=a8bug7uqDLvuwk2r&t=44

>>11978860
using external tools is how the cool shit is found. then from there it's even more exciting when you can replicate it in the game yourself. even moreso when you can utilize it in a run without losing time

>>11977674
>>11978310
>>11978403
>>11979593
If you don't go autistic with at least some of your games, what else do you do? Just sit around entertaining yourself with bing bing wahoo like a toddler?
If you don't get at least somewhat competitive in games, either by scores, speedruns, rankings, or even at the very least collecting gay achievements, you're being a little faggot and might as well sit around binging TV shows and bad movies like a stoner. That's your choice, but you're in no position to look down on anyone

>>11978807
Grenade Launcher Tool is so faggoted it's unbelievable. Glitches are obviously fine, but when the grind is rough you don't just mod out a feature of the game to make it easier. Complete homo choice by the community. Play the base game as is, and you'll get the amazing side effect of the speedrun not being optimized as quickly. It's also a game of mental stamina and perseverance, and every little corner-cut like that is catering to pussies.

Not to mention the RE community in general allows for literal cheating tools, showing the health of not only yourself but enemies as well, along with every hidden stat that isn't supposed to be visible to the player.

>>11979718
problem with that is that it's a different playing field than the casual experience. More specifically an easier playing field.
>oh hey look a speedrun video of this game I like
>oh wait he's just using some weird mod programs to make it easier, nvm
>close video

OP's being dumb. If you want to do speedrunning for the competition, why not choose the more precise way of measuring? If you beat another player by 0.06 seconds, do you want it not to count as a better time because you go by the game timer which sees them both as the same time? That doesn't sound very competitive.
>>11979754
>If you don't get at least somewhat competitive in games, either by scores, speedruns, rankings, or even at the very least collecting gay achievements, you're being a little faggot
NTA. I'm not into competitive play or speedrunning but I see the appeal. I played a lot of competitive in my 20s. Achievements are at least interesting and give you something to work toward sometimes.
At this point in my life I play games for escapism.
You're being as much of a faggot as the other guy for thinking there's only one correct reason or way to play games.

>>11979804
I’m not saying there’s one correct way to play video games. I’m saying one is better than the other. Playing them as mere entertainment is the bottom of the barrel, competitive will always be above it.

I sometimes like watching speed runs but the tranny shit is really annoying.

speedrunning died with cosmo wright

>>11978807
i completely lost interest in running/watching silent hill 2 when people discovered the RNG seed (which sets puzzle solutions) is determined by how many frames pass between booting the game up and starting the game. people started practicing starting the game on the same frame every time. i know RNG manip is probably as old as speedrunning has been around but it's just so fucking lame

>>11980875
Enhanced Edition actually included a speedrun mode that has the option for “true random”, where the RNG is impossoble to predict. No one runs it though, instead they go for fixed seed.

>>11979754
>speedrun tranny kvetching over nintendo out of nowhere
lol

>>11981205
Nothing in that post is about Nintendo, schizo

>>11977897
>some retard exploiting glitches
i like learning about the glitches speedrunners find because it can give you insight into the design of the game sometimes, but ya, sitting there and waiting for your favorite eceleb to break a previous time doing the same retarded backwards moonwalk through the door shit all day long takes a special breed of cattle

>>11981286
>"bing bing wahoo"
>not Nintendo
really nigger? lmao. cmon now

>>11981816
imagine it says Ratchet and Clank then retard, same point

>>11981829
but it doesn't, ergo you seethe unprompted over Nintendo and that is hilarious to me

>>11976754 (OP)
>real time instead of in-game time
what's the difference ?

>>11981841
You are actually batshit retarded if you read the post and thought ANY video game company was relevant to ANY point made whatsoever. Easy reading for anyone who isn't fully brain-fogged, so there's really no way of dumbing it down further for you. You're a fanboy seeing ghosts everywhere.

>>11976885
Gen 1 Pokemon is impossible to play without encountering a single glitch

>speedrunning
I'm not a faggot or tranny.

>>11981963
>plays video games
you're a tranny faggot

>>11976754 (OP)
Speed runner fucked with WALKTROUGHS.

Specially when they use cheats and TAS and they don't admit it, it also misrepresents a game.

>>11981898
not reading all that. just admit that nintendo makes you bootyblasted beyond belief

>>11976919
Matt Turk?!?!

>>11982001
I just hate how speedrunners have fucked up the conversations around every single game. Any time someone has a complaint about a mechanic or item or encounter in a game, they get bombarded with
>DON'T YOU KNOW IF YOU DO THIS EXTREMELY UNINTUITIVE SERIES OF A DOZEN THINGS THAT MECHANIC BECOMES TOTALLY IRRELEVANT ANYWAY???
>DON'T YOU KNOW THAT ITEM IS ACTUALLY SUPER POWERFUL IF YOU USE IT WHILE HANDSTANDING DURING A FULL MOON ON LEAP DAY???
>DON'T YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN SKIP THAT ENCOUNTER IF YOU KILL YOURSELF 3 PIXELS FROM THE THRESHOLD OF THE BOSS ROOM AND THEN RESET THE GAME AND PUT YOUR DICK IN THE CARTRIDGE SLOT???
Everyone just acts as if speedrunner exploits are the normal way to play the game and everyone must know all of them before even starting.

>>11982175
no one has done that. this is all something you imagined in your head after perusing something for 30 seconds

>>11982184
It happens more often than you think.

>>11982175
what fucking planet do you live on?

>>11982073
>begging me to agree so he will look less retarded
bing bing wahoo

>>11977262
This is my biggest gripe with competitive speed running. It basically boils down to an honor system and you know for sure that people will take advantage of that. I will say that not every game is competitively speed-runnable.

>>11981898
NTA, but he's right. You were seething about people playing nintendo games like normal people in that post. You can't see it yourself because you are emotionally compromised.

>>11977262
A frame counter and a hash for the state of RAM at any given frame. At that point faking a speedrun would be harder than earning it legitimately.

>>11976775
This

>>11983215
nta but that’s actually wrong

>>11976906
>He speedruns unironically.
Lol. Lmao even

>>11977323
It's also fun to speedrun in group of IRL friends just for shits and giggles, but seriosuly speedrunning is just a waste of time and effort that could be spent learning a real skill.

>>11978403
Nah I just have fun trying hard at the games I like. you're gonna have to peer deeper into my psyche than that, unc

>>11984127
>seriosuly speedrunning is just a waste of time and effort that could be spent learning a real skill.
You could say this about literally any manner of playing video games. I don't like speedrunning, but I assume speedrunners do in a way that is abstractly similar to why I enjoy playing stupid JRPGs. Literally just a different manner of playing with the same toy, and plenty of people get unhealthily obsessive about games they don't speedrun/compete in. Just disagree entirely

>>11979754
There's thousands upon thousands of games, maybe pick up a game I haven't played or beaten yet.

>>11982196
Realityland, like you are supposed to.

>>11984480
really? that's the best you can come up with?
you really are delusional.

nobody understands this, so i will go allcaps anon and explain it:

SPEEDRUNNING IS FAKE AND GAY BECAUSE IN NO OTHER SPORT (MUH E SPORTS) ARE YOU ALLOWED TO JUST TRY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER UNTIL YOU **FINALLY** DO SOMETHING INCREDIBLE.

IN REAL COMPETITIVE SPORTS, THERE IS **PRACTICE** AND THERE ARE GAMES. THIS INCLUDES LITERALLY EVERY MAJOR SPORT, FROM GOLF TO BOWLING, TO BILLIARDS AND DARTS, TO BASEBALL AND TRACK AND FIELD.

SET A NEW WR IN PRACTICE RUNNING THE 100M DASH? OH GUESS WHAT IT **LITERALLY DOESN'T FUCKING COUNT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T DO **DURING A SANCTIONED COMPETITION**.

HIT A 600 FOOT HOME RUN DURING BATTING PRACTICE? WHO GIVES A FUCK, IT'S ***NOT DURING A FUCKING GAME***.

MAKE A 7-10 SPLIT THAT YOU INTENTIONALLY SET UP FOR PRACTICE AND ATTEMPTED 30 TIMES IN A ROW UNTIL YOU GOT IT? LMAO

HOW THE FUCK DO GAYMERS NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

it's literally a caveat of shit like gymnastics and track and field to KNOW that someone UNOFFICIALLY set a world record, but HAS NOT DONE SO YET IN ACTUAL SANCTIONED COMPETITION, SO IT LITERALLY DOESN'T COUNT.

this is because anyone, given chance after chance after chance after chance after chance after chance WILL be able to accomplish it. it's not even a big deal.

"speedrunning" is more like stupid fucking Dude Perfect shit where they like OH I'M GONNA TRY TO THROW THIS BALL OFF A BUILDING AND MAKE IT GO THRU THE HOOP 500 TIMES, OOOOH MY GOD ONE WENT IN!!!

it's not impressive BECAUSE YOU JUST SIT THERE AND DO IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

there is no stress. there is no competition. you're literally just sitting in your fucking underwear doing it over and over and over and over and over until you get a magical run.

but what gaymers don't realize is; that's true of sports, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE SO GOOD THEY CAN LITERALLY DO THAT IN A COMPETITION, AGAINST THE BEST IN THE WORLD, WITH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING.

>>11984532
aye fair enough

>>11984532
LIKE YOU THINK USAIN BOLT COULDN'T RUN FASTER ON SOME JAMAICAN TRACK WITH NO ONE AROUND?

YOU THINK KLAY THOMPSON COULDN'T MAKE MORE THAN 14 3'S IN A 48 MINUTE PRACTICE?

YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW INSANELY GOOD THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO THESE THINGS ***ONCE*** WHEN THE TIME COMES. YOU GET ***ONE*** RUN.

that's how speedrunning should be, if we are to take it seriously. runs at home don't count. maybe for gamefaqs circa 2004 and speedemosarchive, but the way this shit is now, with people literally making millions of dollars of this shit, it needs to be WAY more regulated.

"practice" runs don't count. there should be more organized events. you do your speedrun ONCE at the competition. then we'll see who is ACTUALLY good.

it kills me to watch these fuckers and see a "run counter" that is like "oh this is the 35th time i've done this today, the 304th time i've done this run this week, AND OMG I TOTALLY BROKE A WORLD RECORD!!!"

the fuck you did lmao.

PRACTICE
RUNS
DO
NOT
COUNT

make it sanctioned events only, one run per day only, etc etc. there HAVE to be rules for this. you can't just let some tranny with no job play a game literally ALL DAY every day and expect them to, even if literally by accident, have a perfect run.

OF COURSE that's going to happen, given a large enough sample size. and it takes ALL the magic out of it.

>>11984532
>TRY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER UNTIL YOU **FINALLY** DO SOMETHING INCREDIBLE.
every person in any fucking sport does loads and loads of practice in order to get good you dumb gorilla nigger. didn't read the rest of your faggoty screed

>>11984546
okay, and if they set "world records" during those practice sessions, it literally doesn't count.

that's my entire point.

all speedrunning is literally practice. therefore, when someone "sets a new world record" they actually don't.

they would not be recognized records for ANY other sport. literally ANY sport. fucking figure skating even. trampoline. gymnastics. skateboarding. competitive breakdancing.

you CANNOT set a world record in practice. it HAS to be at a sanctioned event.

>>11984556
who's gonna make sanctioned speedrunning events for all the mentally ill gamers, bozo? mountain dew? get real.
speedrunning is not sports, it's not even e-sports. it's fucking video games.

>>11984546
LIKE GOOGLE LONGEST FIELD GOAL IN NFL HISTORY.

IT'S STILL 66 YARDS BY JUSTIN TUCKER.

EVEN THO A GUY LITERALLY JUST KICKED A 70 YARD FG LIKE A FEW WEEKS AGO. EVEN THO IT WAS EVEN IN A FUCKING GAME.

BECAUSE
IT
WAS
A
PRESEASON
GAME

IT
LITERALLY
DOESN'T
COUNT

>>11984334
there's nothing deeper to peer into

>>11984560
>who's gonna make sanctioned speedrunning events for all the mentally ill gamers, bozo?
It already exists.

>>11984692
that's a far cry from the olympics and you know it. and to top it off, according to your autism, they would have to host a speedrunning competition for every game that exists on this planet, not to mention invite hundreds of thousands of speedrunners just for one popular game, or go through a candidate sorting process by sorting out the low score candidates from speeddemosarchive, a website you apparently despise for not being real e-sports (which nobody in the speedrunning community asked for, anyway)

>>11976906
I'm not trans

>>11984710
At the very least, you should have to have an official judge with their own official timing equipment present in order for your run to count as a world record. You should be given a limited number of attempts and a minimum length of time you have to wait to request a new judgement of you fail.

>>11984343
Not really. There's a difference between a 2-6 hour playsession or the occasional day long playsession with friends for fun and for a minor personal challenge and practicing the same shit over and over for thousands of hours just to get a marginal increase in speed so you can get famous among a group of spergs that take gaming way too seriously.

Speedrunning in the sense of trying to achieve a personal best between you and friends where you play the game as intended is not the same as professional speedrunning, The former is just a cool way of having fun like playing fighting games casually between you and a group of friends. The latter is like the competitive cyborgs in the FGC, but 100000x worse really. At least the FGCfags tend to be functioning outside of practicing tech for hours upon hours.