Thread 11978360

Is this a 3d game?

if it plays like a 3d game, it's a 3d game

>>11978360 (OP)
If you think having 2D sprites run at you is 3D, then yea I guess. Meanwhile I'm on my N64 playing Goldeneye.

>>11978364
And Doom feels 100% 3d

>>11978360 (OP)
Yes. It has X, Y and Z axis and makes extensive use of all of them in both gameplay and level design. That's the very definition of 3D.

It says 3D right there on the tin. What's there to discuss?

>>11978360 (OP)
It is. Even Doom, where elevation plays only a limited role in most of the level design, is legitimately a 3D game, and Duke made a point of exploring and exploiting that aspect specifically.

>>11978365
Duke Nukem 3D pisses all over Goldeneye. I can't believe people still think Goldeneye was ever any good. It's a piece of shit

Play Flood Zone and ask again if it's 3D.

>>11978360 (OP)
It has sprites. It CANNOT be 3D.

>>11978367
No it doesn't. Doom feels 2D as hell.

>>11978417
Lots of 3D games used sprites well into the 7th generation

All 3D games are 2D. They're on a screen

>>11978419
This. Only people with a going-into-games machine got to experience 3D videogames.

>>11978406
A Dookie Nookie fan would piss all over a turd, huh

>>11978419
Actually all games are at least 3D because time as a dimension is always relevant to any kind of gameplay. Though Duke is 4D of course.

>>11978419
get with the times, gramps

>>11978418
Yeah for grass and flowers. Making the enemies you shoot at (the most important aspect of the game) be 2 dimensional makes it really hard to call your game 3D.

>>11978420
step n-side

>>11978431
They're still sprites, so I guess those games must be 2D

>>11978417
You can make 3D objects out of sprites in Duke Nukem 3D.
The sprites in Duke Nukem 3D are proof that the engine is 3D: you can make them view aligned, or floor aligned, or wall aligned (and then rotate them).

>>11978432
Fuck you and your sloganeering. That's still 2D.

>>11978434
Insignificant bullshit doesn't matter. The very core of the game (enemies) matters.

>>11978432
So that was where the fun was. Guess everyone's been using it wrong.

>>11978438
Enemies in Duke3D were capable of moving in all three directions, it's 3D

>>11978453
360 degrees is a circle on a 2D plane

>>11978456
What about diagonal

>>11978459
circles are infinitely diagonal

>>11978460
What if they're moving up and down and diagonal at the same time as moving sideways with another enemy above them

>>11978453
If theyre not polygons they're 2D. You can have a trillion sprites in one entity but it's still 2D.

Polygons are what makes something 3D.

>>11978456
Yes, 360 degrees are only 2 directions (i.e. two linear independent vectors)
But jetpack aliens move in 3. So what does it have to do with my post?

>>11978463
A flat square is also a polygon, retard.

>>11978464
the map processes circle plus elevation rather than a sphere homie

>>11978470
>the map processes circle
so two directions
>plus elevation
plus a third one

that's we call 3D

>>11978475
These are clearly polygons

>>11978478
These are obvious 2D sprites

>>11978474
>topographic maps are 3d
Not really but we'll agree to disagree even if you dont want to. It's 2D

Is this 3d?

>>11978462
your POV looks 3d yet remains on a 2D screen

>>11978484
It's an approximation like all other 3D computer tech

>>11978483
if you have 3 linear independent vectors you have a 3 dimensional vector space, so it's mathematically proven to be 3D
anything else is just cope

>>11978484
It uses sprites, so it can't be 3D

>>11978484
yes imo

>>11978489
the sims are 3d like irl people though

>>11978487
build engine interprets x-y and z axis separately

>>11978492
The game still has sprites, so it's a 2D game

>>11978495
2.9d*

>>11978493
so what? the result is still a 3d space

>>11978513
on a 2d screen

>>11978518
it's a 2d projection of a 3d vector space, aka a 3d video game

>>11978519
A 2D sprite-based video game*

>>11978523
sprites are just textured polygons

>>11978519
no physical depth of three dimensions, it's a 2d illusion. monkey

>>11978527
there aren't any real physical monsters living in your monitor either

perhaps you didn't notice but a 3D mesh will always be rendered into a 2D image. dook doesn't even use meshes

is this 3d

>>11978360 (OP)
>Is this a 3d game?
It is unless you're in the automap.

>>11978565
you can go up/down stairs so it's 3D

>>11978593
walking has no up or down button, just forward and back on a 2d plane

>>11978360 (OP)
Yes

>>11978360 (OP)
Dog is on the box. Would they lie??

>>11978360 (OP)
You like men

Is paper mario 2d?

>>11978405
>you now remember all the garbage low poly 3d "remaster" projects for games like duke and doom circa 2010
never take me back

>>11978360 (OP)
in abstract terms, a game, yes. it's a little limited in terms of you looking up technically but you're expected to engage with the z axis constantly.

>>11978484
How is that phone attached to the window?

It’s in the title, duh.

It plays like a 3D game but the computer raycasts on a 2D topographic map

>>11980837
Build is not a raycasting engine.

>>11978360 (OP)
No, it's a 2.5D game. There's no place where a room would be directly under another room. In other words, any given Z coordinate belongs to no more than exactly one point on a traversible (X;Y) surface. There's no elevator you'd leave in same direction as you entered it on a different floor, for instance. Doom is the same.

>>11981051
>There's no place where a room would be directly under another room. In other words, any given Z coordinate belongs to no more than exactly one point on a traversible (X;Y) surface.

This is not true at all. Even the first level of the game has 2 rooms above one another (the cinema projection room above the corridor), as well as the spiral staircase.
In Build you can stack as many floors as you want, the only limit is that you can't see two stacked sectors at the same time (and this has nothing to do with the definition of 3D)