Thread 11978919

This was fucking amazing, absolutely on par with classic Zeldas and Ys I+II. Do you guys like this game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfiC3ZQcEpo

>>11978919 (OP)
>Do you guys like this game?
...You can say that.

>>11978950
Exactly

What's even better is that the mobile remake was recovered

>>11978994
Is it a 1:1 remake? Looks like it. I know there's also a remake on the GBA but apparently it's almost a different game

>>11979001
Yeah it's an exact remake unlike the GBA slop.

>>11978994
How can I play it?

Has to be the best GB game

>>11979008
Just checked a longplay of the Vita/iOS remake, it looks like absolute garbage but it's still not a reimagining like the GBA one. That mobile version you posted seems to be the best one

>>11979009
Earlier this year there was a thread with links to a repository of JP flip phone games and an emulator but I can't find the link fml

>>11979009
>>11979031
Found it in a previous FFA thread funnily enough: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/11715338/#q11720604

Please take my tears to Lester.

Here's a playthrough of the mobile version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntd5-w1YUr4&list=PLiYoScIKaeVP4r-Kqig2gVfM_299J_tcV

>>11979047
Thanks champ you rock

>>11979047
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/11757849/#q11758563

i-it's beautiful

>>11979053
This shit is awesome. Reminds me of late 90s/early 2000s Japanese PC games, like the Windows remakes of Ys 1 and 2

>get remade as Sword of Mana
>so bloated it nearly killed the series
>wtf 2D mobile remake years later is actually good
>only in Japan so no one played it
>we get the 3D Vita remake that's the predecessor to the Sword of Mana remake
>Mana Collection takes the time to translate the 3rd game but not revive the good remake

>16 item slots, items don't stack
>have to dodge NPCs in towns because they just start talking if you bump into them, the text speed is super slow
>constant weapon switching, kill 1 enemy in the room with a sword but the other one is immune to it so you have to pause, go to the equipment menu and equip a different weapon
>doors that you open with keys don't remain open
It's a good game but god damn this shit gets on your nerves

>>11979008
So what's wrong with the GBA version? Near as I can tell, they basically got rid of the lingering Final Fantasy references to fit it more in line with Mana.
>>11979084
>predecessor to the Sword of Mana remake
You mean Secret of Mana.
Do Manafans abbreviate both games as SoM?

>Sometime between 1985 and 1987, the game was advertised in Famitsu magazine as simply Excalibur. It was originally supposed to be an RPG trilogy for the Famicom Disk System and set in actual Medieval Europe.[6] Hiromichi Tanaka wanted the game to be something like a real-time version of Wizardry.[7]
>The game later remerged as Seiken Densetsu.[8] The first installment in the series, The Emergence of Excalibur, was only supposed to be the beginning of the story, which would consist in a five-game series that would unfold over several generations.[9]

>>11979101
This guy sums up the major issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDZowFV0Yb8
Plus I'll add that the convoluted changes to what was intended to be a simple plot make absolutely no sense. Pic related; when even TV Tropes can't make sense of this horseshit, you know you're in trouble.

>>11979105
>The game later remerged as Seiken Densetsu.
They were unrelated projects. Square reused the trademark, but very little if any of the Disk System development was carried over. Square essentially chose Final Fantasy over the original Seiken Densetsu, which died with the Disk System.
Not the only time Square flipped names around, Secret of Mana was tentatively a CD game in the numbered Final Fantasy series before being codenamed "Chrono Trigger" and then became a SD/Mana game later.

>>11979247
>Not the only time Square flipped names around, Secret of Mana was tentatively a CD game in the numbered Final Fantasy series before being codenamed "Chrono Trigger" and then became a SD/Mana game later.
That's pretty interesting, never knew about that. I've never played Secret of Mana

>>11979294
It’s a very flawed game AS a game but it’s legitimately a beautiful piece of art. What they did to the series with those 3D abominations should be criminal under Japanese law

>>11979101
>Do Manafans abbreviate both games as SoM?
I've only seen Secret of Mana abbreviated that way for historical reason; I think I've seen Sword of Mana as "SwoM" but I could be wrong.

>>11978919 (OP)
>on par
Superior

>>11979336
Maybe it's finally time for me to give this game a go. I mean people claim that it plays better than the Gameboy game and I don't think the first one is all that flawed so I'll most likely enjoy Secret of Mana

>>11978919 (OP)
it's an okay game, the timer based combat cucks itself though and permanently places it 2 tiers down from Zelda

>>11979445
Honestly you can just ignore the power gauge and play it like a regular ARPG. And it starts filling up pretty quickly later in the game when you gain enough levels

>>11979472
This. You can use weapons like Zelda and meter is just for special attacks. It's not like Secret of Mana where weapons are useless during cooldown.

>>11979105
>>11979247
I wonder how far along the prototype was, since they had screenshots for it and were taking pre-orders.
I know the Square of that era is notorious for deleting and writing over old projects, but I'd love it if the Emergence of Excalibur prototype still existed somewhere.

>>11979526
Judging by what I've read this game would've made Kawazu's shit look like perfectly serviceable and accessible RPGs. Whenever you see
>was too ambitious for the system
when reading about cancelled video games (especially if it's an RPG) you know it would've been a dumpster fire. But hey at least we have that nice promo art by Haruhiko Mikimoto that one of the anons has posted

>>11979545
What do you mean, Kawazu's shit is perfectly serviceable and accessible. I've never had trouble getting into a SaGa game.
But honestly, it wouldn't be worse then Wizardry or old Dungeon Crawls.

>>11979553
>What do you mean, Kawazu's shit is perfectly serviceable and accessible
Not for most people, I got filter'd by both FF2 and FF Legend. But not because they were brutally difficult or anything like that, you just need to have a specific mindset to enjoy this kind of RPGs which makes them very niche. Honestly I made a bad comparison, I don't think that FF2 and FF Legend are bad games but that Seiken Densetsu FDS game would've definitely been unplayable garbage. But still yeah I'd play the prototype

Autism time:
>you get the samurai armor + helmet in the final dungeon
>Masamune, which is basically a katana, is the strongest sword in the NES/FC FF games, games that Seiken Densetsu constantly references
>but you still get Excalibur as your final weapon
Why

>>11979581
I don't remember if the original game mentions it, but "Excalibur" in the Mana games is supposed to be another name for the Mana Sword. I think that was first established in Secret of Mana. They went with Excalibur in the Game Boy game as a callback to the canceled game, but the Final Fantasy weapon isn't the same blade.

Great game, I liked the Vita remake too.

>>11979634
The problem is that Excalibur and Sword of Mana are actually two separate weapons in Secret of Mana and to my knowledge there are virtually no mentions of the Sword of Mana in FF Adventure, it's called エクスカリバー in the Japanese version which is, well, Excalibur

>>11979647
The Mana Sword in Secret of Mana is an upgrade to the Rusty Sword, just like Excalibur was in the first game...
Didn't they replace Excalibur with the Mana Sword in both Sword of Mana and Adventures of Mana? I always assumed the Secret of Mana intro was retconning the Mana Sword as the titular OC holy sword.

>>11978919 (OP)
>on par
no, its good for a gameboy game though. compare the music in ys to the boops on a gameboy its not even comparable.

>>11979686
Yeah they retconned it in the remakes but still, Excalibur exists as a separate weapon in Secret of Mana which would make you think it's the same legendary sword from FF Adventure and the sword you get at the end is even more powerful but apparently this isn't the case

Apparently Sword of Mana was co-developed by Nintendo's internal studio who also did Mother 3 >inb4 oh so that's why it sucks

oh so that's why it sucks

>>11979613
oh yeah, this is nice. this is good shit.

>>11979545
>>11979607
>High technology in high fantasy
Why?

>>11978919 (OP)
I just love the 4 "color" version. To me its a wintry, foggy, hyperborean game.

>>11978994
Is is translated yet?

>>11979545
>>11979105
see >>11980896

>>11980897
Character sprites don't look like Square's early stuff like NES Final Fantasy. Iirc the spritework in most of Square's early RPGs was done by a single person

>>11980532
The classic games with High Fantasy was ALWAYS even Higher Scifi
Final Fantasy literally took this from the western classics like Ultima, Might & Magic, and Wizardry

>>11980857
Once upon a time I feel some of the denizens here would have thrown themselves at the project but not anymore. I’ve unpacked the .jar file and, while the art files are all sitting free and looking amazing, there’s no separate text file of the game script and I lack any skills in this department. It’s a shame because it’s a beautiful update

>>11979695
>Excalibur exists as a separate weapon in Secret of Mana
Huh? Excalibur in SoM is just a different upgrade and form for the Mana Sword, and only about mid-level at that. It's the exact same Mana Sword in all its forms (lampshaded by the opening text-crawl) and you only get to unleash its fullest power in the last boss fight.

This thread must not die.

>>11983231
Aye. This game rules, haven't played it since 96, I should give it another go. I remember game mags in my country saying that the palms 8 puzzle was one of the most frequent questions when kids were writing in asking for help.

I just beat it yesterday on the Switch. The Collection of Mana version.
Still a fun and charming game. My only dislike is the thing another anon already mentioned, the constant menuing to change weapons or discard an item, so you can open the chest that is blocking the exit.

>>11983478
Its about the only confusing part but if you its coming then its not an issue..
I wish i liked the other games as much as i did this one.

>>11983928
Have you played Secret of Mana or are you just getting into the series? I've also beaten Adventure not too long ago and am wondering if SoM scratches the same itch. Honestly I could've just tried it myself at this point but oh well