Thread 11991391

Thoughts on modernized controllers for retro consoles?

>>11991391 (OP)
Eh whatever. Personally I think one should play the games with their original hardware (if possible/practical) for the true experience. But the most important part is the game itself.

They're fine if they work well. I don't think any modern N64 controllers work well.

N64 is the only console this makes sense for, and only really because the design of the analog stick. There aren't really any games I know of where the layout is a hindrance.

>>11991404
A lot of the ones alone the market are mostly wireless with slight ergonomic changes

>>11991404
>There aren't really any games I know of where the layout is a hindrance
Sin and Punishment

Some of them like the Retro Fighters one for OG Xbox are actually pretty good. Of course your millage will vary, I don’t think their PS one is as good in comparison.

If Nintendo were to release a revision of the controller during the N64 era, it would already look like that anyway.

>>11991427
What makes the Xbox one better?

If they had the intelligence to match the stick position and z trigger of the regular N64 with the modern controller style then maybe they would have something

>>11991404
and dreamcast because that controller also sucked

>>11991398
Ah, yes, the way God intended argument.
Maybe I'll find your gaming YouTube channel that funds your credible business

>>11991398
Yeah, playing Sin and Punishment with this controller wouldn't be fun.

>>11991391 (OP)
This type of garbage is the hardware equivalent to reimagining the Mona Lisa as black.

I just ordered a brawler 64 because of how uncomfortable I find the N64 controller. Hope it isn’t total shit.

>>11992079
I like their 64 pads. Found them very comfortable to hold and worked great.
In tests the stick doesn't have the same exact range of motion as an OEM controller, but in practice it doesn't make a difference. I easily beat Ocarina and Goldeneye after mine arrived, and then bought three more in different colours.
Their Dreamcast controller was a letdown though. The d-pad was shite and the VMU port was too tight.

>>11991431
How do you figure? The ique was released after the gamecube and it wasn't necessarily a design Nintendo proper came up with.

>>11991391 (OP)
Most 3rd party controller are garbage made for gullible children. This has been true for decades and has not changed.

>>11992375
All first party controllers are so shit these days that it seems like we're being scammed.

I really like this. Just wish the gate was more pronounced

Do any modern ones have a real analogue stick like the original N64 controller or are they basic sticks like the Dualshock & Xbox controllers?

>>11992589
>real analogue stick like the original N64 controller

>>11992079
Okay, just go it, I like how it feels to hold way more comfortable. Don't have any issues playing F Zero, seems like it's an improvment for the game. But I'm not crazy on the stick and wish I could use a rumble pak with it. Good but not perfect.

they're cool. anyone should ba able to play games they way they want. having fun is what matters.

>>11992563
I got this controller too, despite the bad reviews, I've enjoyed mine and haven't had any issues.

>>11992589
What defines a real stick?

I have a wired Brawler64. It's okay, I would have bought something else though. Their QC apparently sucks because I had to open mine and fix a pinched ribbon wire to the shoulder buttons and put the main wire back in properly before I could use it.

>>11991865
>use what it came with
>>YOU DON'T LIKE NEW PRODUCT SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE SELLING ME STUFF

>>11991391 (OP)
I'd like this controller more if it worked with the Transfer Pak. No idea why none of the modern N64 controllers support the thing.

>>11994042
Real stick = the one I grew up with
Fake stick = the one I didn't grow up with

>>11991404
That's what I was thinking when coming into this topic. That controller really was shit.

>>11992602
>>11994287
Have you dorks actually opened a N64 controller or just spout memes because you see 3 handles and assume it's inoperable by a human?

>>11994669
Are you saying you actually opened up an N64 controller and are so cosmically retarded that you said "yes due to my vast experience with paste eating I can clearly see this is analog"?

>>11991391 (OP)
I never had an issue with the OG controller, maybe I'm autistic.

>>11991391 (OP)
It's fine. I tried out a Genny Mini, and didn't hate the controller, but also didn't love it, made me think I should just play Bloodlines at home with Kega Fusion and my SN30 Pro 2, which I've grown very comfortable with.

>>11991403
They all look pretty bad, so I'll want to try to fix up my old original controllers.

>>11992065
No it isn't.

>>11991865
Original hardwarefags get real quiet when you bring up arcade games

>>11995220
He shouldn't have said "true analog" but his sentiment is correct in that the N64 stick is optical and feels vastly different to play with than modern potentiometer based sticks. There's no replacement for the feel of the original optical stick.

>Old controller
stick is fucked and my SM64 autist friends can't reliably do certain moves.
>Old controller with cleaned stick and new bowl/gears
Works much better, autists can do everything
>new reproduction/stick/third party/etc.
as bad if not worse than the old unfixed controller to the autists
Why the fuck haven't they come out with a good replacement?

>>11997143
>Why the fuck haven't they come out with a good replacement?
Because no one makes the necessary parts for a stick and bowl optical analog controller any more. Someone would have to fully reverse engineer it and then manufacture and build it from scratch.

>>11992602
>>11995220
The N64 indeed uses a stick with fully analog input, you can see this demonstrated by using it.

>>11994042
The N64 did it differently than most other analogs, partially for pretty good reasons, as the N64's stick has some problems with durability, but it also has a certain fine precision and sensitivity which you didn't see in other analog sticks at the time (and few since).

Trying to play some N64 games with stuff like GC or PS2 sticks feels wrong to me, which is why I don't want to settle for any of the substitutes, and I assume some people feel the same.

>>11997056
I have to assume that there has to be other approaches possible, even if it's just a different design and construction of a stick using optical sensors.
Like not a parts interchangeable clone of the original stick, merely something that functions similarly, be that as a drop-in replacement or an all new controller completely.

Would be sick if a "Solitaire" gamepad with a pair of optical sticks could be made.

I chanced on the 8BitDildo SN30 Pro 2, because they had a good price earlier this year and it seemed good. I had heard some people complain about some false diagonals, while others said it was fine. I'll just roll the dice, worst case I can try selling it on.

I get it, and playing with it I do in fact get some false diagonals, giving me a sinking feeling in my stomach. I figure I bet poorly, but I resign myself to continue playing games for a while because it's still better than the old USB gamepad I got. Every now and then, maybe once a day, I get one or maybe two false diagonals, and it annoys me each time.

After some time though, maybe less than a week, I stop getting false diagonals, like at all. Did I just get used to the D-Pad, or did I wear it in somehow? Maybe both?

Any of you guys have this experience? This is outright only the second third party gamepad I've ever used in all my life, so maybe a break-in like this is common.

I've only used this thing for NES, SNES, Genesis, GBA, and DS, so I haven't given the analog sticks a proper try yet.

>>11995220
It's a difference you can feel without knowing they were constructed differently.

>>11996892
Yes, it is. The design's uniqueness was part of the experience, and no amount of zoomer autism about having three hands is going to change that. You are literally reimagining something unique into a form that you specifically prefer. So yes, it's exactly the same because faggots can't appreciate things for what they are, they always think their proclivities are "better" than what came before them. The fact it has a fucking game cube thumbstick on it is bad enough.

>>11991391 (OP)
This is better.

>>11997646
I am one of the anons looking to fix up an original controller exactly BECAUSE potentiometer sticks don't feel right to me for various N64 games.

Are potentiometer sticks inferior to the original optical sensor sticks for SM64 and 007? Yeah, I'd say so, these games and others are tailor made for the optical sensor sticks, and one of those in mint condition is simply optimal.

Are potentiometer stick such a radical change that it completely destroys the intended gameplay? I would argue that it really doesn't. Barring the comically long 150ms input lag of the Switch re-release of SM64 (the right stick wouldn't save you there), using a stick with less fine precision isn't going to completely transform the game into something else.

If you were to use something with a good Hall Effect stick, for instance (or just a decent potentiometer one that hasn't begun drifting), and the way you played the game wouldn't introduce input lag in excess of 10ms or so, you could experience these games to like 90%. You should still be able to beat every level in Goldeneye on 00 Agent and be able to unlock all of the cheatcodes.

>>11997918
If it doesn't have an optical sensor stick, I don't want it.

>>11991391 (OP)
the biggest issue with the n64 controller that you'd regularly encounter is having to use the cstick as an awkward right oriented dpad which this controller does nothing to address. I understand why it exists as a novelty but it seems pointless to me beyond that.

>>11998080
*cbuttons

>>11995220
I wasn't even the anon that mentioned analog, but I did say they're different and more precise in a prior post. Glad to know several other people think you're clueless about this as well.

>>11994042
Plastic gears and optical sensor.

Just gonna drop this off. Gave me a good kek. Still need to try it out.

>>11991391 (OP)
Terrible for the 64
Either make it dual analogue or make it a trident
Too many low IQ morons don't even understand how to use it

>>11998338
I feel like the trident design was always an artifact. How many games had you actually grip the controller in any way besides the first one there?

I understand what Nintendo were going for with the three handles, but I also think that they misestimated what other devs were going to actually do with it, or/and they didn't develop it enough for the alternate grips to make sense. Hell, the trident shape could have been an artifact of when it had a potentially different set and layout of buttons.

>>11998436
>How many games had you actually grip the controller in any way besides the first one there?
Every shooter and a few others like Sin and Punishment and Bangai-O

>>11998446
Playing Goldeneye, I never used any other grip besides left hand on center, and right hand on right.

>>11998450
Your loss, walking and strafing with dpad and aiming with stick in solitaire is the best control scheme

>>11997056
He shouldn't have said anything. Parroting maymays to fit in is no way to live.
>>11997341
>The N64 indeed uses a stick with fully analog input
Did that wordsalad cope sound better in your head than it looks in your post?
>>11997432
>>11998238
>coping this hard
lol

11998623
>guys im pretended to be retarded, oh wait i am retarded

>>11998623
Why are you like this?

>>11998623
He's not parroting memes, he's trying to describe the obvious difference between how the N64 analog stick feels compared to modern analog sticks without having the technical knowledge/vocabulary to properly describe it. The spirit of what he's saying is correct, and giving people some grace in communication instead of trying to turn every conversation into some formal debate full of technicality gotchas would really help improve your life.

>>11998725
Anon, you know he LIVES for these moments, that's why he so desperately grasps for it. He needs it.

>>11991391 (OP)
I don't care how you play your games

>>11998725
>He's not parroting memes
Yes "he" is
>Have you dorks actually opened a N64 controller or just spout memes
Literally pretended to have opened one and understood what was inside. Cope harder faggot
>>11998648
>Why are you like this?
No extra chromosomes

>>11998873
>Literally pretended to have opened one and understood what was inside.
Anonymous isn't a name, you're dealing with more than one person.

>>11998873
Yeah, you would in fact be running a deficit of chromosomes. Anyone can take these gamepads apart and look at their guts, but that's not even necessary to given how readily different they are to each other.

>>11991391 (OP)
I bought wireless controls for most of the older consoles.
>Saturn
>Genesis
>Dreamcast
>PS2
>GC
>N64
>SNES
>Xbox
Most of them are great, but the PS2, N64, and GC controllers just feel off to me, so I just opted to buy a cable extension and use my OEM controllers.

>>11998892
I called out a faggot who shitposted about opening one and I called out a faggot for simping for that faggot. I'm calling you out for coping. Cope harder faggot.
>>11999102
What's with all this strawman cope? I never claimed they didn't "feel" different, admitted mong. A baby parrot claimed they "have a real analogue stick". A verifiably false statement for which it was justly mocked. No amount of coping can change the reality of what the stick is and what was shitposted about it.

>>11999323
You have the worst kind of autism.

>>11998436
the aki wrestling games used the third pic hand position.

>>11998453
i play 1.2 solitaire but i just use the c buttons for movement. you used the dpad? seems weird.

>>11991391 (OP)
>>11991431
>>11997918
where is the z button on these controllers?

>>11999323
>I took down 3 (THREE) Anons in an epic stick battle!
I'm glad I don't have to deal with a sperg like you daily.

>>11999393
I believe they all have the Z button as triggers on both sides, with L and R being the upper shoulder buttons.

GOATroller passing through.

>>11999363
>>11999636
>aspie btfo
>u-u-ur aspie
lol

>>11999389
Seems weird until you try it

>>12000021
>aspie
No, I said autistic. Full blown autism of the most obnoxious variety.

>>11999384
Purple Aki had his own game?!

>>11991391 (OP)
I don't see anything wrong with it. If you want to play the games using a physical grip setup that controllers have been using for like 3 decades now, third party N64 controllers are the way to go.

I've broken so many retro fighter Dreamcast controllers. The triggers always break, I wish I could pay more for a better built controller

>>11999176
For PS2 I use a Bluetooth adapters and a 8bitdo pro 3 or a dual shock 3 if I need pressure sensitivity on the face buttons

Are these any good? Mostly looking for something for my kids to abuse during Mario Party

>>12001162
Nah they're shit. Look at the kiwitata minis If you want decent reliable chinesium slop. I doubt they come wireless though

>>12001201
Looking for something wireless that's n64 shaped for the kids to wreck.

>>11991391 (OP)
I have the OP wireless one and it’s worthless. So much lag.

>>12001203
They're going to be "here's your controller bro" and not good, but they are shaped like n64 controllers and dispensable

>>12001307
That might be good enough, like I said it's for Mario party and other like games on N64. My kids went through like 8 oem controllers that I thought had tight sticks

>>12001307
Being stuck with shitty third party controllers is the most accurate part of the experience. Especially as kids who didn't have better options.

>>12002169
>you have to be autistic to make a distinction between aspergers and autism when insulting retards
Retard.

I love single-stick controllers so much bros. If I live to see a console use one again I can die fulfilled.

>>11998453
the 2 buttons + start you have access to in that mode wasn't viable for the majority of shooters.

>>12002207
Holy fucking retard. Stop with the retardation.
Not Even That Anon and you're pissing me off.

>>12002475
If you say so, not a problem for me