Thread 11993323

Will it ever be topped

>>11993323 (OP)
It hasn't been topped yet

Game freak too lazy to make 2 regions again

>>11993323 (OP)
i dont know, but they didnt yet.

>>11993323 (OP)
the ship sailed when they decided to remake the first game with ruby/sapphire and discard any creative expression. Just remakes all the way down.

>>11993365
You mean reboot

>>11993323 (OP)
It was topped long ago

>>11993323 (OP)
>>11993372
>second installment is the fucking goat followed by a massive disappointment and then mid entries
So weird this happened to both pokemon and dqm.
One offered two regions the other whole random generated jrpg worlds with towns and dungeons then they got lazy and dumb with RSE and CH

>>11993323 (OP)
Well yeah, gen 3 is objectively a better game. Gsc only holds the throne for rose tinted Nintendrone glasses. Not to hate on gsc too much, it's a good pokemon game.

>>11993395
I started with Ruby and it's a step down from gen 2, you can't do the nostalgia argument with me, johto plus Kanto is just better than hoenn

Hell gen 1/3 Kanto is better than hoenn

>>11993395
Yea

Emerald mogs gsc so hard it’s insane, but I do give johto the nostalgia selling point over it

>>11993401
Only if you care about the battle frontier which by the way it was totally unplayable except the factory due to raising good pokemon being incredibly tedious back in the day, which of course zoomers wouldn't understand

Best go to x do y: RBY
Best pokedex: GSC
Best region: RSE

>>11993413
>Best go to x do y:
The fuck does this mean?

>>11993398
Ill take one actually good, developed region in gen 3 than the two shitty, underdeveloped regions in gen 2. and I started with gen 1 at release. gold/silver sounds great on paper but in reality its just executed so poorly. some of the worst scaling ever seen in an rpg since the original famicom release of dragon quest.

>oh awesome, theres a whole nother region to explore!
>oh man, I bet the second set of gym leaders are going to be an insane challenge!!
10 year old me was extremely let down.

>>11993419
Hoenn is bad developed, it starts great but then it becomes shit because you already have seen all the good stuff in the first half of the game.
>muh level curve
Oh no you are level 39 instead of 45 when facing the elite 4...

>>11993419
>gen 3
>actually good, developed region
literally a bunch of narrow corridors with water surrounding them

>>11993429
the problem isnt the level getting to the elite 4 you fucking imbecile, its that the second HALF of the entire game poses no challenge whatsoever until the very last battle where the final boss is suddenly 15 levels higher than you.

>>11993415
Progression? I didn't want to use that word because it can double as leveling. Events? Story? Not really the lore just the things you are doing to proceed through the game. The order of areas, the options of order, the areas opening up for you to search for pokemon, the tasks requested of you.

>>11993431
All Pokémon games are easy as fuck, people that bitch they can't evolve Weepinbell and Growlithe before the E4 make more sense than you

>>11993435
You are absolutely right on that, gen 1 works so well because the moment you get surf you unlock basically the whole dex except for Moltres and Mewtwo.

Compare that gen 2 or gen 3 where they keep you away from larvitar and bagon/beldum until the very end

>>11993424
Afraid of nearing the level cap? Shinji can't overlevel a lv90 gym by a meaningful amount.

The anime offered a solution when it began gen 3;
when Satoshi enters Hoenn he loses his balls for plot reasons and starts fresh catching what's around and traveling with that new team. Of course the size of Kanto got chopped down too far to offer a smooth ride leveling again.

>>11993395
>>11993401

no

>>11993502
I can smell your cope-hole seething. Very fragrant this time of year. Reeks if vinegar and old socks

>>11993398
Hoen is huge and does underwater better, caves better, pokemon distribution 100 bajillion times better, extra content is better. I don't care for the stripped down Kanto. Gsc is nice, but it's too flawed to be peak pokemon. Gen1 or 3 is peak, though I'm quite fond of the last two switch games (Arceus/violet). They are 100 xs better than gallar region and waffle stomp gens 6-8 and dsp.

It’s the weakest out of the first 4 gens

>>11993381
DQM2 didn't have random generated worlds on it's main story, it was the post game key monster worlds that generate random worlds.
Shit is awesome going to do a new run as soon as I can.

>>11993368
no its a remake. reboot implies more creative ideas than youd find in a mainline pokemon game. every gen after 2 is just remaking the first game.

>>11993991
It wasn't even postgame stuff you could do it pretty early on, sucks the remake removed them afaik, it's like if they nuked Kanto in HGSS

I think pic related could've derailed its hype a little bit had it (and, necessarily, also Star Version) come out in 1999 in the USA. That was Pokemon's peak year in the biggest market, and since there was no Pokemon clone out there then, the two Robopon versions would have sold boatloads since they are instantly recognizable as a "Pokemon" game for kids wanting more after playing Red and Blue (or even if it had come out after Yellow's US release). But since it came out in late 2000, Robopon seemed like nothing more than an ancient, shitty, tedious clone rather than like its 1998 release in Japan: a Pokemon clone with a bunch of new ideas and features that pre-dated GS, including (as I just found today) "nighttime" and other time-based events.

That's not an attack against Gold and Silver, which remain two of the best games of all time for a reason. It's an attack against Hudson and possibly Atlus for not diving into Pokemania when they had the opportunity. Gold and Silver marked the end of Pokemania and with it the end for any potential Pokeclones to be successful. I should know, as I blind-bought Sun Version one December evening in 2000, and though it was really interesting to me in a conceptual sense and a very decent game in its own right (even despite its absurd load times), it just wasn't executed fun after playing through Silver months before.

>>11994119
I forgot to mention that the only reason Digimon became successful in the way it did in 1999 and 2000 is because the show premiered during Pokemania. I remember the Digimon virtual pets in 1997, and no one gave a shit about them (Tamagotchi and NanoPets/NanoFighters series already stole that thunder, at least where I was). But everyone started fucking loving Digimon beginning with the Fox Kids show in 1999, including me. Had Robopon launched then, it would have attacked the Pokemon GAMES hype, not just hopped onto the monster-raising (or, by 1999, known as the "Pokemon-like") fad like Digimon was doing.

>>11993516
You are a millennial after my own heart

>>11993372
i literally just finished this game, and i didnt realize there was a gameboy color version, i played the monochrome gameboy version

>>11993438
>can't evolve Weepinbell and Growlithe before the E4
As a Gen 2 defender, this was frustrating as hell as a kid. Growlithe and Weepinbell and Gloom and Staryu and Poliwhirl etc. all do just fine against the E4 because they're decent enough Pokemon, but it was thematically underwhelming.
This prodigal hotshot just toppled a multinational crime syndicate and wiped the floor with the 8 strongest, officially recognized trainers of the region, only to walk into (as far as he knows) the final stretch of his quest with monsters that cannot reach their final stage.

Before you know that there's a postgame, it feels like you're being punished for picking the wrong guys.

>>11993323 (OP)
First games to make collecting all the mons a hellish grind (unless you count mew in the first game or played yellow version where you need to trade mons from blue and red)
I started with gen 2 and it always pissed me off that getting is basically impossible without 2 gameboys and multiple other games (in this case you need both gen 2 games and a gen 1 game that you need to play 1.5 times for the fossile pokemon)

Back when i was a kid i could look past it but now thats all i see because the combat is extremely shallow

>>11994198
Also friendship evolutions and the eggs make it pure grind if you want to get them all and dont happen to have a couple of dedicated autistic friends who happen to have the ones you need

>>11994198
Meanwhile Gen 3 asks you for like 5 games plus 2 GameCube games

>>11994012
Story-wise, it's a reboot. Gen2 made a big deal about new types and Pokemon eggs just being discovered, then Gen3 has FR/LG come out and say that they always existed, and Gen4 adds on with HG/SS altering some dialogue so those "new discoveries" are treated as nothing new at all. And then they did it again in Gen6's OR/AS.

>>11994203
It obviously keeps getting worse and worse but 2 was the one where it started being bad
With gen 1 all you really needed was to beat the game twice and trade even if you were all alone

>>11993413
>best pokedex
>gsc and not emerald
XD

>>11993395
>>11993401
TRUMPET TODDLER
BUGLE BABIES
FRENCH HORN FETUS

>>11994216
you really dont get it and im not surprised. I'll give you a hint, there is no reason why every single pokemon entry has you, the protagonist, a bastard son of a single mother, living in a 3 building town and receiving a fire/water/grass pokemon from a pokemon professor then going out on a journey to record pokemon in a pokedex and collect not 7, not 9, but 8 gym badges then challenge 4 elite trainers and 1 champion in a pokemon league. Its a ridiculously specific scenario and if you weren't captive by the mania youd realize that you keep playing the same game over and over again. All this shit isnt the DNA of pokemon its just the events of 1 pokemon game, you can do literally anything with the pokemon world.

>>11994226
>2 was the one where it started being bad
Nonsense. You only needed access to trade with one of RBY and the opposite version of G/S to what you had. Nowhere near the requirements of Gen 3.

>>11995123
getting the friendship evolutions and egg mons is a huge repetitive grind
you need to fight the elite 4 so many dozen times
also theres tons of rare encounters throughout the game that you basically need a guide to find

I consider gen 3 the best. GSC was around for 2 years whereas gen 3 was 4 years until gen 4. I don't remember sinking much time into GSC. I was too young for gen 1 but gen 2 was a faster experience and the only real memorable stuff to me was the lance vs rockets and mt silver tyranitar training. The kanto gym leaders I must've beat in a few days. To me I've spent 2002-2005 with my GBA and a copy of sapphire/emerald/firered. 3-4 years of exploring replaying and messing around with the starters in new plays. The DS era was a big letdown and to me thats when the weird furry stuff and pokemon was starting to kick in I noticed in people that cared about pokemon still. I could see why gen 1 people would've dropped at gen 3. I think more exposure to gen 1 would've made you less satisfied with gen 2 and gen 3 would be too much change for them.

>>11995374
>pretending th Blaziken and Gardevoir gen didn't opent the gates of furry

>>11995374
>I think more exposure to gen 1 would've made you less satisfied with gen 2 and gen 3 would be too much change for them.
In my case, I grew up with gen 1, loved gen 2 when it came out, and was thoroughly disappointed with RS. I didn't play any of the other games for years. As an adult I gave Emerald a go and I can see the upsides. Just gotta take it as its own thing rather than what I was expecting as a kid, which was a sequel to the first two games, just like GSC were a sequel to the first one.

>>11993323 (OP)
Game freak can't even make one full region these days, let alone two.

Let's all just agree that having to trade to evolve is a terrible gimmick. I played g1 and 2 only as a kid, but when I finally played emerald and soul silver back in 2020, I literally cried at how beautiful they were compared to g1 and 2. With that, I decided I would never touch another pokèmon game ever again, because I don't want to tarnish that memory of feeling like a kid again.

>>11995095
Lmao

>>11995576
What the hell does trade evos have to do with Emerald and Soul Silver? They are still there

>>11995576
It's fun if you have friends.

>>11993323 (OP)
Yes
>Crystal
>Emerald
HGSS was the next absolute peak next to those two before going downhill forever.

>>11994226
Red/Blue needed to trade and a third playthrough for the third starter and evee. That's basically been the rules for every generation, only to add some previous gen mons.

>>11995989
only in the pokemon fandom will people laud a remake as the peak of the franchise, that should tell you all you need to know.

>>11995989
This so much, BW1 was the first pokemon game I didn't enjoy or like despite how hard zoomers worship it for the """"story""""

>>11996502
>zoomers worship it
The only people who liked BW were old players.
Kids hated it. Which is why the connecting plotline was scrapped moving to XY, and why those games were an unfinished mess. The series never recovered.

>>11996560
No? Old players like me didn't like the forced Kanto rip off dex being forced down your throat and the lack of past features. It was universally seen as a step back from Gen 4.

The only good thing about BW is the seasons but they are just wasted potential. (Wait two weeks to pick this super potion!)

>>11996718
Gen4 was the last time Pokemon felt like it was specifically being made by Japan for Japan. Going international from Gen5 onward has only been one downgrade after another

>>11995576
you should play a newer one with this which removes that stupid mechanic
https://github.com/Ajarmar/universal-pokemon-randomizer-zx/releases

>>11996756
Most hacks I've seen create in-game "cheats" for obtaining trade-evolutions, usually by altering the trigger or adding an NPC to "trade" the Pokemon and make it evolve.

>>11996461
>only in the pokemon fandom will people laud a remake as the peak of the franchise
Never heard of Resident Evil I see

>>11993323 (OP)
Gen 3 did it

>>11993323 (OP)
They’ve been topped by every single game released before XY. Gen 2 is dogshit.

>>11997301
Gen 3 is good but not as good as 1 and 2, still better than 4 and everything that came after it.

>>11995902
It really is not, most people just trade back their mons because you probably build your team with that Alakazam in mind and not that Machamp your friend has, and he probably already has a other psychic type sp he doesn't needs an alakazam

>>11996718
So your big issue was that you couldn't use Pikachu again?
Seems like you might be retarded.

>>11998835
>trading isn't fun because i min-max
You're similarly retarded.

How are Pokemon fans consistently the dumbest motherfuckers on the internet?

>>11994198
you tell me
>complete mystery dungeon game in 10 hours
>the postgame in another 10 hours
>to get all the mons I already past the 200 hours
fuck you chansey

>>11998891
Because using not-pikachu instead of Pikachu is so much fun, no my issue is that half the dex are Kanto rip offs instead of their own thing and the game suffers a lot with being linear as fuck and having a dex of around 150 Pokémon, you get to see what? 2 or 3 new pokemon per area? Fucking sucks, compare that to any other region, specially Kanto that once you get surf you can make any team you want.

BW dex has no identity, it was the point they started self parodying themselves and going "Oh yeah this Pokémon is just like X from Kanto you remember right!??"

>>11996756
>>11996759
It's a shame that most hacks do not take into consideration pokemons legality. It would be nice to have a hack where you could complete the pokedex in a single playthrough and all of them be generated with legality in mind. I think there was a emerald hack that did it, but none for other versions.

>>11998891
If you were to min-max your team would be all traded mons dumbass

>>11993323 (OP)
Between HGSS and FRLG there is no reason to go back to the OG gen 1 & 2 games.

>>11999089
You're thinking of Revelation. Almost every encounter in that hack is deemed legal for transfer, the only exceptions being Mew and Celebi as they never had a proper US release in Gen3. It even restores FR/LG's Zero IV glitch on the Johto Beasts for legality reasons.

>>11999154
Then there's two emerald hacks with that and none for the other versions, because I was thinking of Heliodor.

>>11998928
After reading this, I'm not convinced you even played the game.

>>11999089
>all of them be generated with legality in mind
for what purpose?
the only reason you'd care is to use them in the latest games but the latest games are trash

>>11999241
Yes I played at launch, biggest disappointment ever

>>11996735
We're talking about the same series that censored Jynx during Gen 2 for all regions because Americans complained that the design was racist.

>>11999441
That was just a token effort to shut the US up since they were still calling Pokemon the spawn of the devil in the earliest days.

>>11999480
>ruins sneasel's palette

>>11999468
They wouldn't care if they were just making games by Japan for Japan. They'd do what they wanted and leave whaetever censorship to the localisation team.

yeah, only by its remakes though

I'm playing through Silver now (haven't played through Gold since I was a kid, in fact my first playthrough was on a Japanese copy), and I'm still enjoying it. Even moreso than Gen 1, I'm still baffled by the first two gym leaders in particular. Like Faulkner has a goddamn Pidgey. Sure, Brock wasn't great and his team quickly became outclassed by generic trainers, but at least Onix looks cool and tough, and at that point in the game was mysterious. Pidgey is a fucking youngster-tier Pokemon, and Pidgeotto isn't much better. They could've given him something a little more exotic, like maybe a Murkrow, or throw in an electric type prior to his gym for the Chikorita players, and grant him an underleveled Pidgeot. Bugsy isn't much better with his two stupid cocoon Pokemon. Why not let them be fully evolved forms, or scrap both of them and give him an Ariados or something? Kakuna and Metapod were jokes even in Gen 1, so why make them pushover Gym Leader Pokemon?
Yes I'm mad

>>11999441
They also censored Bellossom for the same reason.

>>12000293
>censor Bellossom
>make Gloom more of a niggerlipped nigger
Bravo, Game Freak.

>>11999486
Sneasel's official art looked like this before Crystal even existed

>>12000284
Chikorita could handle Falkner and Bugsy just fine in G/S/C. Their Pokemon had almost nothing that could really damage it even with type advantage, and Growl and Reflect helped mitigate their attacks even further while you wear them down. HG/SS fucked Chikorita over extra-hard with the P/S Split and new movesets.

>>12000303
And it's worse, what's your point?

>>12000728
It's obviously like that to show off It's nighttime

>>11993323 (OP)
The DS HeartGold SoulSilver versions topped it =P

>>12001073
Explain why you think that.

>>12001139
hes 28 years old

>>11993323 (OP)
>shit pokemon and type distribution; at least a third of the new mons are in accessible until the very end of the game, also enjoy having exactly 1 dark type before kanto lol
>terrible plot that ends with anticlimactic battle against a literal who admin who doesn't even get a name until the equally as shit remake 11 years later
>most gym leaders don't even use the new Pokemon
>elite 4 starts at level 40, not only making it the lowest elite 4 start by 6 levels, but meaning that you wont be able to use some of your favourite pokemon (ex Dragonite) until half way through the postgame without sweeping every gym
>evolution item distribution is terrible
>still fighting level 25 shitmons in the grass all the way through the postgame kanto
>Kanto is barren as fuck with most things gutted outright and the gyms are a cakewalk
I struggle to think of a way they weren't topped. Johto is poorly designed dogshit and Crystal is easily gamefreak’s laziest singular release. Fixed fuckall flaws from the original GoySlop, added some little gay animated sprites, removed Mareep, and gutted half the Japanese exclusive content before localizing it (gs ball, online support, etc).
Shit games with trash pokemon in a boring region made up entirely of small linear grassy routes and unrewarding caves, full of underleveld Kanto mons from the first route to just before you’re fighting Red, awful encounter methods, horrible evo stone distribution. The only people who defend these trash games are fat balding retards who played it when they were 3.

Gen 2 suffers a lot in single player and is kind of a dry gen on its own. In the here and the now in like 2000-2002, Gen 2 was a lot of fun because Pokemon was still novel and the prospect of more mons and types etc was appealing, but I completely get why the younger fans don't care. There's really not a lot to love in the games if you've had everything spoiled for you by the internet and the passage of time.