Thread 11997934

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This thread is dedicated to the discussion of any classic games made by Blizzard Entertainment; those being every game released from their early days as Silicon & Synapse to the release of Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne (2003). Fans of Warcraft, StarCraft, Diablo and even older series like The Lost Vikings, Rock N' Roll Racing and Blackthorne are all welcome here.

For a short history of Blizzard and a list of all their games, check out this wiki:
>https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/List_of_Blizzard_Entertainment_games

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Changed/updated:
- added anon's Testing Waters III map
- replaced dead download link for Diablo 2
- added link to Cactus, a Diablo 2 version switcher
- minor grammatical improvements

I wish there was a source port of Warcraft 3

>>11998158
why? the game works fine on modern versions of windows. it's not like you have to emulate it or some shit.

>>11998168
full on mods and server browser centralization

>>11998183
fair

>>11998158
I wish SC had an editor as powerful as WC3's.

>>11998967
Would be cool but there's also something nice about how much simpler and easier SC's is. World Editor is practically a full on game engine but Star Edit is more for just basic multiplayer maps and the like. They both cater to the strengths of the respective game IMO.

>>11999559
WC3 was both simple and had advanced options

>>11999684
It is vastly easier to make a decent playable map in Star Edit than World Editor, let's be real. World is very intuitive and well-designed but it has way, way more options and menus to sort through, and Starcraft lacks things like deformable landmasses that add a lot of complexity to Warcraft's maps; not to mention, assigning teams/controllers to factions and setting base locations is a lot more complex in WE than SE.

*ahem* FUCK PROTOSS

>>11999954
protoss is just a boring race. they're boring to play and boring to play against. big, chunky, slow, one dimensional. soulless people main protoss. if you aren't down with the space hillbillies you're fucking up.

>>11998183
>full on mods
Having the source would be nice for preservation purposes but I don't know what more you could really do with the game that the editor doesn't already allow, other than drastically changing the UI (and I'm pretty sure there are already UI mods).
>server browser centralization
The issue is that 90% of people that care about playing WC3 online have moved onto to refunded and we aren't getting them back. Having an easier way to play other than LAN tunneling or the like would be great, but the player population just isn't there to begin with. Blizz really fucked us by shutting down the original servers, that shit was still very active when I was playing around 2018.

>>12000143
If I get to dream big about my lofty desires, I would also say something a conversion tool that lets you put in any RTS game map and have WC3 do some tricks to bring other games into it. Imagine Dune or Command & Conquer just having WC3 mechanic campaigns to play

>>12000210
>bro what if they like, made it so you could like, put any other game in the game
You are 19 years old.

>>12000214
worse, he's brown

>>12000210
>I would also say something a conversion tool that lets you put in any RTS game map and have WC3 do some tricks to bring other games into it.

>>11998158
Never mind Warcraft 3, I'd like to see proper sourceports for Warcraft II and Starcraft. 90s Blizzard is best Blizzard. Diablo II was pretty good too, despite being early 2000s.

>>12000243
> I'd like to see proper sourceports for Warcraft II and Starcraft
Never forget.
Never forgive.

>>12000268
Leaked source code is legally useless.

>>12000278
>legally
Who cares?

>>12000278
No one can prove that you used it to understand the machine code that you reverse engineered.

>>12000281
Machine code != source code.

>>12000285
Read again.

>>12000278
lol. point and laugh.

>>11997934 (OP)
Anyone here ever play the bootleg third-party expansion packs for wc2, etc?
>>12000143
>Having an easier way to play other than LAN tunneling or the like would be great
This really makes me miss services like what GameRanger used to be.

>>12000210
Please don't post again.

I want to kiss Thrall's green balls <3 muaa
I just installed W3, I love Thrall so baaaad, going to play with my beloved warchief

>>12001347
>t. discord troon

Another /cbg/, another round of purges

This level 8 catacomb is fucking suckass. It's ten rooms full of 10 mudmen each with large openings instead of doors. I do the "take two steps back to get them to hang up on each other and only have 2-3 next to me at a time" thing but they're pathing all retarded, I'm melee pathing all retarded because selecting a square in mixed floor and enemy mouseover is retarded. If I hold shift then the closest retard at whom I would swing stops one step short while three behind him all run up around me. This is an irritating fuckfest and if I hadn't been able to start by scouting down a long wall that had no LoS into any room it would have been utter nonsense with 40 mudmen chasing me.

Blizard games are overrated

>>12001710
Could be worse. It might also legitimately get worse for you in the caves: You can end up going against ranged asses who also look to throw lots of melee attacks, keeping you stunned with blocks while you get surrounded. See if you can grab some resistances before you head down.

>>11998158
Forget that, we need a source port of D2. So much arcane knowledge on how to mod that game has been lost to time, or buried away on random discords. D2MOO was making decent progress reversing 1.10f, but hasn't had a commit in 7 months.

>>12000281
>>12000290
no one can prove it but they can make pretty well educated guess of what happened if a project came out around the exact same time window the source code got leaked and for some lawyers that's enough.

>>12001898
>good thing... bad!
Blizzard games are fundamentally well-made in a way that very few games are, and they deserve the praise they get.

>>12001702
At this point it's pretty clear that /vr/ moderation is intentionally working against us. That "dat boi" wrestling thread that has absolutely nothing to do with retro games has been allowed to persist for nearly 2 days, and it's not like the moderation just isn't here; they were perfectly happy to delete several no-no replies like somebody posting floigan earlier. I've noticed responses to deleted posts in a good 30% of the threads today so they're on a binge. My posts here >>11999559 and here >>12000143 were deleted, as well as a post I made in that guy's Tom Clancy games thread, but I received no ban for them and they left some of my other posts like >>11999919 up. I have no idea what to make of it.

I'd really like to know what happened. At what point did the moderation say, "we're going to delete some random innocent posts but leave up a completely off topic thread" and then do it on a daily basis. Are the mods and jannies even real? Is it just some kind of algorithm deleting content at near-random? It's an absolutely bizarre state of affairs. /vr/ didn't used to be like this.

laddering on warcraft 3 pvp today is really fun and everyone should try

>>12002243
>/vr/ didn't used to be like this.
That hack did a number on the chans.

>>12001918
>the unique acid beast posse that uses archer combat AI
Classic

my hardcore barb just died

>>12004003
Condolences. What was your build/gear and where did you get fucked?

>>12002243
>I have no idea what to make of it.
Besides here I'm only really in the Doomgen and occasional Elder Scrolls threads, neither have gotten hit anywhere near as hard as these ones have. I could go full autismo and pour over and compare "post quality" between each though it wouldn't explain the deletion of the non-shitposts.
>>12004003
RIP spaghetti family.

>>12003297
>wc3 laddering
Fun but very tough, I recall from back in the old bnet days.
>>12003378
>>12004117
Putting aside the fact a ton of bots and glowies purposefully contaminate every board, how much of it has to do with the hack making a bunch of the remaining quality anons leave this site for other chans, etc? There were many good posters in these Blizz generals before the hack and the drama; I don’t think a lot of them returned. I only come here when I have a few minutes to kill, but it seems like the post quality (minus the omnipresent troll shite) was pretty good from 2020-2022 and has slowly declined ever since, with a big drop after the hack. Way too many “mario64 sucks/gcn sucks/boomers really thought X/solves gaming/what more do you need” posts to be organic, unless this site is becoming such a joke that it’s an initiation rite for gen alphas to do baby’s first troll here.

>>12004146
I could see it being a combination of losing "quality anons" while gaining more angry /v/ leftovers. The hack didn't help much but it also felt like it was getting rough already.

Does anyone know if Warcraft 2 remastered fix that bug where loading a save breaks enemy AI?

>>12001995
That's not what those posts were saying and that's not how copyright law works. This thread has enough clueless-retard-posting without your contributions.

>>12003297
I play on W3champion occasionally, but the constant patches with dumb changes turn me off from it. That's another reason why I prefer Brood War

>>12004146
I would have been among the leavers you speak of but was forced to return from the altchan because most of the people who went there left when 4chan came back up and it fell back down to glacial posting speed. So, if not there, where did they go?

>>12002243
>feedback site no longer allows for moderation feedback
Welp.

>>12004003
don't bitch out. make a new one.

The site as a whole may be in a tough spot, but I'm glad we got these threads going again. Like >>12004146 said, I think the hack really fucked things up, and we definitely lost some good posters as a result, but I'm optimistic that people will come back over time and new friends will appear. It would be cool if we could get some real action going and play the games together, even if only something asynchronous like starting Diablo characters or running through the WC3 campaign at the same time like a couple of fellows were doing earlier in the year. Hope is not yet lost, lads. Good things to come.

>>12005212
don't play with people from 4chan. they ask you what "your favorite meme" is and "who is your waifu"

>>12005247
dudes who play shit like starcraft and diablo don't do that, only WoW players, which is why gatekeeping this gen is critical to its survival.

>>12004468
Well I asked a WC2 modder on Discord and his answer was no, it didn't. Literally the only reason I'd consider getting Remastered. I'm sticking with my Battle.net copy

I want to suck Thrall's big green cock so bad

>>12004110
yeah. Frenzy barb, died at lv 48 at the Crypt. Curse + light enchanted unique skelly was too much for him. Should've been more careful with the NM spike.

His lv was so high because of /players 8, but quite undergeared. Still basic RWs, malice, stealth etc. His best piece was a unique flail. Didn't feel like farming much.

>>12004110
I'll probably roll a necro now

>>12006078
48 using malice and stealth? No wonder he got screwed. Surprised you even made it that long with with players 8, you can be proud of that. At least you cleared normal so that's something.

Necro is fun in HC, but I'd suggest going bone. Summon necro makes everything ezpz until you get to bosses which will wipe your shit out instantly and kill you just as fast if you don't have good resistances and HP.

>>12004712
>I would have been among the leavers you speak of but was forced to return from the altchan because most of the people who went there left when 4chan came back up and it fell back down to glacial posting speed. So, if not there, where did they go?
Reddit. A substantial portion of users here since 2016 have been coming over from there so they can act like they’re badasses posting on le 4chan. I went to 8 chan and soijak during the outage, 8 is dead, jak is almost inactive but for a few boards.
>>12005212
Would be fun, but time is constrained.

>>12006137
People who came from reddit and would return to reddit are not the quality posters that we're talking about.

>>12006145
True, I was just commenting generally. Quality anons definitely went to other chans or found lowkey forums that cater to their interests but don’t index in search well. Or they’re here but lurking.

>>12006117
>48 using malice and stealth
yeah... don't know if dumb or just unlucky. Anyway i hoped to farm NM andy/countess to upgrade my equip but destiny wouldn't want it.

Can't remember last time I rolled a barb, was a pretty fun run. Counting with just weapons and wits to overcome the legions of hell felt more satisfying than just throwing fireballs left and right. Controlling mobs with shouts was also very entertaining, instead of skills that just add damage.

I'll probably do summons against mobs and bone/psn against bosses, since plugy lets you respec. Curses are also a bit like shouts in being utility skills instead of raw damage. I recall confusion being OP against mobs.

>>12006487
>plugy
>infinite respeccing
you didn't beat the game

>be me
>circa 2004-2006
>bullied on ladderhall and jayofteror for being underageb&
>suddenly my nigga darksun comes and saves the day
>releases his character stealer
>watch and laugh as all these nerds are freaking out over their shitty lifelock characters being exposed
>half the ladderhall rankings were lifelock
>lmao harder

>>12006696
>be wowfaggot
>talk like a nigger and be retarded
>don't even read the OP before posting
rope

>>12006702
>is too underage to know what ladderhall and jayofteror were
I guess the shoe's on the other foot now.

>>12006709
>is a wowfaggot who talks like a nigger and is larping as a d2 oldhead
embarassing

>>12006738
Still assmad about it, Rich?

>>12006741
sorry i killed your first cow king bud

You now remember the "Thieving" monster ability that got removed in LoD.

>>12006749
No worries, let me host the next game I'll switch on corpsepopper :)

>>12006487
>swapping builds before and after boss fights with a 3rd party program
At least you're playing the real game instead of refundurrected, but it doesn't get much more soulless than this.

>>12006752
>monster can make you drop items
I started the game with LoD and I never played classic, but this is pretty cool. Any other things like this that got removed later?

>>12006752
lol? I don't remember that at all. What did it do? Steal gold when it attacked?

>>12007201
See picrel.
Also, totally unrelated but
>This page contains le heckin' obsolete information!!
I don't know why, but this really irks me for some reason. It's not fucking obsolete if I'm playing a patch where it's still supported. Why not just say "this feature was removed as of X patch"? Strangely bothersome to my autism.

reposting from a years old non-/cbg/ thread but i haven't been on here since march or so and it's something i like talking about, which is interesting mini-games we'd come up with back in the old days of diablo 2
>low level dueling
people used to make characters and only grind them to certain levels: 9, 12, 15, 18, 24 and 30. they'd then try to max out the character with the best gear possible for that level, and duel with other people of the same level. it was a ton of fun.
>drop trading by akara
some items like hellfire torch couldnt be directly traded, so you'd have to drop it on the ground to give it to someone. if you were selling it, this meant someone could scam you easily. the workaround was going to the stone wall by akara, dropping your respective items for trade on either side, and on the count of 3, running to the other person's side to grab what they dropped as a form of soft scam prevention.
>gambling
this one was the best. youd trade somebody and put an item in. that person would then accept the trade, then trade you back that item plus another. youd keep trading more and more items of greater value until somebody decided to take it all and run away. whoever had the balls to risk losing it all could potentially get a ton of good shit for free if they called the other guy's bluff.

i'm sure LLD is something you guys will remember but i never see anybody who remembers the drop trading and trade gambling.

What's the feeling on pre-syngeries D2? I forget what patch that means, but I think it also means no runewords and a bunch of other stuff. How is the availability of reference material? Getting an install set up?

Main reason for my interest is that one-skill combat is fucking gay and the expectation is that splitting into 3-4 usable skills becomes viable. Otherwise I just have to find a class/build where the synergies happen to be usable or supporting skills are usable without synergies. Or I give in to the fucking gayness and make a Hammerdin (what I actually had in mind before I learned it's a one-skill build). Or can I just ignore synergies and still get far enough to have fun, say through nightmare?

I never played warcraft 3. What is the most convenient way to experiencing it today? I don't want to play the modern rerelease version.

>>12007780
Sorry I meant WoW, the MMO. not wc3.

>>12007673
>Error: You cannot delete a post this old.
Disregard. I picked out a few that I think will satisfy me.

>>12007784
wrong place to discuss that bud, read the OP

>>12007780
>What is the most convenient way to experiencing it today?
You're best off asking one of the several threads in /vg/ by searching for 'warcraft'. Everyone here will tell you to rightfully stay far away from it or make your own server to sandbox with the assets.

I think '04-'06 vanilla WoW fits this thread. Especially seeing just how much of Warcraft and Diablo got built into it. Still better to ask elsewhere about the private server or self host situation.

Anybody know of any good guide sources for Brood War Terran builds? Last time I played Terrans were pulling 1-1-1 and raping Zergs and that seems to have fallen massively out of favor. I also have no idea how to play TvP (so an in-depth guide would be amazing) or what's meta in TvT right now.

>>12008823
We've been over this a million times: adding WoW discussion invites non-retro discussion and massive amounts of waifu\lorefaggotry. The whole point of this gen is to discuss the games Blizzard made before WoW completely changed the dynamics of the company and, by extension, eventually destroyed old Blizzard.

If you want to see what happens to this general when you allow WoWfags, look no further than those knockoff /cbg/ threads from a month ago with "welcome WoW immigrants!" written all over them. Within a few days they were talking about league of legends, streamers and non-retro modern WoW lore. It was a complete disaster, though arguably a good thing in retrospect because it proved the gatekeepers right.

WoW and the outsourced chinkoid remasters will never be classic Blizz, it's that simple.

>>12009140
You're triggered to a point that you can't even understand the post.

>>12009164
>vanilla WoW fits this thread
>no it doesn't, here's why
>y-you're triggered
Never ever, WoWtranny

>>12009171
Look at the rest of the post. I am not your boogeyman and stuffing straw won't change that.

>>12009176
I read the rest of your post, you're just wrong.

>>12009140
>If you want to see what happens to this general when you allow WoWfags, look no further than those knockoff /cbg/ threads from a month ago with "welcome WoW immigrants!" written all over them.
That would be these for others out of the loop, though it didn't do well to encourage much MMO discussion:
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11919564
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11911691
>>12009164
Even then, WoW wasn't what initially killed interest in the threads after the hacks: https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11706481 It was Reforged discussion.

>sees "vanilla wow" and "Warcraft and Diablo got built into it."
>OH GOD THE CHINKOIDS THE TRANNIES GAY DRAGONS AND WHEELCHAIRS VITILIGO BLACK QUEEN SAVE ME NIGGERMAN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12009198
more like
>thread is going completely fine until some wow/shartmastered tranny shows up to question the status quo
every single time. just kill yourself please.

>>12009198
Imagine typing this out

>>12009208
I'm very obviously taking the piss out of your freakout and have no stake in anything you fear. But, by all means, keep making a fool of yourself.

>>12009213
>merely pretending
i'm not even the guy you were responding to. you are just clearly a gigantic fag and in need of meds

When you stop replying, I stop mocking you. You are creating the problem. That one post could have just gone ignored and had no effect on the thread. but instead we have this mass of retardation. Good job.

>>12009223
>Yes, I pulled down my pants, squeezed out my pink sock and waved it around like a helicopter blade while spewing diarrhea, but you see, you're actually the problem for noticing! Ah ha!
Most jewish post I've seen in awhile

I never played WoW before and wanted to try a pserver, but everyone keeps shilling Turtle and Epoch
Anyway D2 is fun. I should finish it

There is a very distinct way of posting that connects the posts but he thinks he can claim to be a different poster and not look like a fool. Worse, he's going with the "You made fun of me? I better go full retard. That means I win."

At this point I sincerely hope it's a bot and it's no longer entertaining to mock the posts so I'm not replying any more.

>>12009171
>tranny tranny tranny
>every single time
>meds
that's exactly the kind of poster that is supposed to be gatekept out of /vr/

>>12009240
>There is a very distinct way of posting that connects the posts
Counterpoint: multiple people think you're a retarded fag.

>>12009236
>spoiler
For scratching that "Warcraft but RPG" itch, WC3 maps and mods can help. Here's a big recommended trio:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/chaos-champions-rpg.331780/
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/chaos-champions-rpg-ii.340086/
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/chaos-champions-rpg-iii.350672/

>>12009240
detective gaylord over here

>>12009248
Good man.

>talking about WoW will ruin the thread
>I will ruin the thread myself to enforce this point
wut

>>12009264
>it's still replying

>>12009271
>no you don't understand I have to win this shitfest and I will burn down everything to do it

>>12009016
Anyone?

>>12009283
>i'm going to stop responding
>keeps responding

i'm not even the guy you were responding to

>>12009326
we require more medication

So why do you suppose they decided WoW needed to have items become soulbound? Diablo got along just fine without it.

Why didn't you gatekeep this spergout?

>>12009326
>>12009345
>>12009358
Malding lol

>>12007673
IMO synergies were pretty much a quick fix for making additional end-game viable builds with LoD introducing more powerful enemies and so on. I'd say it reduces build variety to an extent, but there are so many different builds to begin with, and so many ways to augment/individualize them with gear that I don't think it was the worst thing in the long run, and it gave players an easy, foolproof way to create builds that were viable long term with very little guesswork.
>one-skill combat is fucking gay and the expectation is that splitting into 3-4 usable skills becomes viable
To be fair, I don't think this is much of a concern beyond the very ewrly game. Like yeah, if you're leveling a standard melee barb or something then you'll probably be using bash for a good 18 levels, then concentration for another 12 or so until WW. That's an extreme example though, and even then you're talking about still using lots of stuff like battle orders, leap, etc. I can't think of many classes/builds relying on less than a good 5+ skills by nightmare.

>>12009421
>much of a concern beyond the very ewrly game
>a good 5+ skills by nightmare.
It's worth making a distinction between main attacks and supporting skills that are used much less frequently. And also the result after you've respecced from a leveling build into your actual build at its level requirement. Think of paladins with a single attack skill and a few other skills that are just maintained or situationally swapped to. Or Sorc builds that tele and use static on beefy targets but otherwise just spam blizzard or whatever. That's what "one skill combat" means.

Using multiple attacks is really constrained by the synergies and the number of points that need to be committed to a single skill. It requires skills that have few synergies but are still effective or skills that mutually synergize each other. Paladin, with the resurrected updates, can combine FoH with smite (a hammerdin making use of one point in smite needed to swap gear, I think). Sorc can use orb and hydra together. Bone necro variety of attack skills reinforce each other and they get curses on top of it, plus corpse explosion is super good with absolutely no synergies.

It's depressing that 4chan is now full of people who will immediately give up on their argument and descend into full lolitrolu mode. Not just damage control for a few posts to try to play off saying something stupid. They go continuously and act like it was their goal all along to keep someone replying as long as possible as if that is trolling.

>>12009494
the moral of the story is to just ignore wow and rehsarted fags instead of engaging directly

>>12009459
>It's worth making a distinction between main attacks and supporting skills that are used much less frequently
Agreed, however I do think there are plenty of builds which heavily rely on more than one main attack -- like you said, a bone necro is probably going to be switching between teeth, spirit and spear frequently, with curses and summon management in tandem, and that remains true for almost any build in the class. The same can be said of many druid and assassin builds. I think barb, zon, sorc and pally are the classes that most often get shoehorned into single attacks (e.g. WW barb or hammerdin), but you can make some very diverse builds with those characters as well, I just think they're a bit harder to outfit properly and most people choose the less gear-intensive routes as a result.

Also though, keep in mind that even if a character is built around one main attack, what supportive skills are chosen and used can make a big difference in playstyle, to say nothing of skills added by gear. Frankly, I don't always want to play a character where I'm constantly shifting the primary attack. At a high level (and especially in PvP), you can have a character with a brain dead simple attack pattern which still has to manage buffs, weapon switching, potions of several types, gear-added skills, and stuff like hotkeys for town portal and so on, and it can completely change based solely on the items you use, let alone everything else.

I think there's more than enough nuance in classes, builds and gearing to make the issue mostly irrelevant. If you really want to make a character that relies on 4+ main attacks, you can do that. There's no shortage of those builds. There are also a ton of builds which rely heavily on one attack that require just as much resource management and strategy. You have a lot of options, and it mostly comes down to how fast you want to create a viable build, since the more interesting ones take extra investment, which is good IMO.

love me viking's
love me diablo
love me jim raynor
love me arthas
simple as

>>12008823
Actual vanilla surely fits the spirit, it was Blizzard's peak, and we were still playing Dota and watching replays of Moon btfoing Sky on Terenas Stand in between raids at the time. The problem is vanilla WoW as a concept has been so thoroughly warped by 15 years of pserver culture and Blizzard's mismanagement of classic that it's really hard to have a discussion anymore about it that isn't tainted by various eceleb/nuWoW bullshit.

>>12009342
Lel.

>>12010047
>The problem is vanilla WoW as a concept has been so thoroughly warped by 15 years of pserver culture and Blizzard's mismanagement of classic that it's really hard to have a discussion anymore about it that isn't tainted by various eceleb/nuWoW bullshit.
Bingo.

Can we at least all agree that Genesis/Megadrive = best version of List Vikings?

>>12010078
*Lost
Goddammit

>>12010078
I've only played the SNES version, but doesn't Genesis let you do 3 player co-op? That alone might make it the best.

>>12007673
1.10 is the patch that introduced skill synergies, mana pots at vendors, most of the ultra broken runewords like Enigma, inflated the shit out of Hell monster HP, and gave everything immunities. It also did lesser noticed stuff like buffing Countess's loot table so she drops higher tier runes, and more of them, establishing the meta of farming Countess for power leveling runewords that trivialize Normal/Nightmare.

Install Cactus, play 1.09b, or better yet, 1.05b. Do not play Peter Hu's 1.10 fanpatch that ruined Diablo 2 and all its imitators forever.

>>12010183
what's better about 1.05b versus .09b and everything in between?

>>12010185
https://codeberg.org/fearedbliss/Cactus/src/branch/main/README-SINGLING.md#patch-1-05b-friday-february-2-2001-polished-original-classic

tldr LoD was primarily concerned with multiplayer, to the detriment of single player. So you get stuff like Blizzard trying to correct for dupe infested servers by nerfing gambling into uselessness, buffing mana potion drop rates so people would have to fight over them less, and adding cooldowns to spells because Frozen Orb spam lags other peoples' eMachines. Rares and Uniques were nerfed, likely to make runewords more attractive, a mechanic that essentially requires you to go into multiplayer and trade. Charms are an all around terrible idea, and class-specific gear drops are annoying. Vanilla Diablo 2 is just a more cohesive experience.

>>12010278
I'm trying this patch next time I play, this sounds great.

>>12010183
>Do not play Peter Hu's 1.10 fanpatch that ruined Diablo 2 and all its imitators forever.
I had heard this dude's name mentioned a few times, but holy moly, I never knew how much of a retard he was until looking him up.
>wanted the game to have a system where you could use the limbs of defeated enemies as weapons
This is such a stupid bugman idea, thank god it never made it in. Apparently he stuck around after Brevik and company had been let go, even after telling them he'd follow them to Flagship studio, just so he could fuck things up with his retarded synergies and the like. Thanks for letting me know who I can blame for D2's decades-long casualization.

>>12009459
>with the resurrected updates
Yeah... there's your problem.

Is there any way to play Brood War widescreen with original graphics?

>>12011369
I think you can do it with iccup

>>12011348
I know you want an opportunity to bitch about nu-thing but you read enough to know that the patch 2.4 change that caused resurrected to be mentioned was helping against a problem from before resurrected. Resurrected is the opposite of his problem. Ironic retardation is just retardation.

>>12011471
>helping against a problem
Good morning saar.
>Ironic retardation
Are you done dilating now?

>>12011610
Thank you for admitting your retardation.

>>12011632
You know me, just doing the needful.

>>12010278
Started vallina diablo 2 1.05b on your rec and it does feel like an entirely different game. Definitely an experience closer to D1. Suddenly magical drops become much more valuable, not to mention rares and sets. It's refreshing compared to newer patches of LoD and its loot inflation.

Rolling a summoner necro like it's 2002. No idea about balance or builds in this patch. Let's see how this goes.

>>11997934 (OP)
Is it worth playing Diablo 1 with devilutionX first go on my 1080p monitor? or should I just play the vanilla/ hellfire GoG version and stick to 4:3?

>>12013195
I'd at least try the original to see how palatable it is for you, but Devilution is still fine. You might get too much of a "heads up" with that high of a resolution, though.

>play The Hell 3
>they put a cooldown on Force Wave
That was like one of the only good and reliable spells in your mod you fucking russians AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

>>12010278
>fearedbliss
seriously, this guy is schizophrenic. you should take anything he says with a grain of salt. cactus is a decent program, but that's it. he puts the blizzard-north team is such a pedestal, especially brevik, in a way that's disgusting. if 1.10+ were such bad patches, you'd have no one playing d2 in decades and there would have been tons of private servers on 1.09- during all these years. 1.10+ changed the meta, but still hooked quite a lot of players for many years, which you can barely say for any other game

>>12013349
Not to defend this spic mutt, but can you provide any actual examples of him being a schizo retard? Because from what I've read, most of his logic checks out. 1.10 and onward hooked people because A) the game was good to begin with, and B) it introduced a ton of content. That said, it's undeniable that a ton of skills, items and gameplay mechanics became largely redundant as a result of what was introduced. I think classic D2 is objectively more cohesive. Would I want to play it over the later patches? Not necessarily, but still.

>>12010047
>Actual vanilla surely fits the spirit, it was Blizzard's peak, and we were still playing Dota and watching replays of Moon btfoing Sky on Terenas Stand in between raids at the time.
This. At that time, nobody hated wow and thought of it as just another part of the Warcraft experience, the next part of the story. Also, wc3 was still getting new maps and hero updates then, and most us expected another Warcraft rts was coming a few years down the road. IIRC, there was hesitance about subscription models, and banks would often refuse to do wow transactions bc they got flagged as fraud.

>>12013195
>>12013286
Doesn't Devilution let you set what you want with scaling and pillarboxing? I think I had 480 integer scaled up to 1440 but let it go widescreen and didn't feel like I could see too much.

>>12014020
I was thinking/assuming more of that heavily zoomed out perspective. Looks nice for screenshots but not for gameplay.

>>12013443
>can you provide any actual examples of him being a schizo retard
You'd have to find the history for both Cactus, Singling and Alpaca, except he made sure to erase it from existence. Every time he would update his code in github he made sure to overwrite the whole repo so no history would be kept. He still does that on codeberg, that why you can only see a single commit. These days, only cactus core has any commit history, but that's because it's separate from anything related to D2 gameplay. Also, he closed and reopened his forum/community quite a few times for the most retarded reasons. Obviously, it will be hard to find history of that. https://xyinn.org/blog/windows/going_dark is not something a sane person would write.

>>12014843
I know nothing about the forum fag drama, and I'll grant that forum owners are almost unanimously mentally retarded, but if the worst thing you can provide is a guide to setting up some Commander Adama-tier offline gaming PC then I won't pass judgement. I can relate to that autism. We live in a world where the government has forced CPU manufacturers to include hardware level backdoors for over 15 years now, and have developed technology for listening in on private conversations by using HDD rotations to collect and process ambient audio data. Microsoft retroactively fucking users of old operating systems is nothing new either, and there's merit to the notion that you need an offline device to truly keep data safe and untampered with -- keep in mind that Windows Defender will frequently identify certain ROMs and programs as malware even if they aren't, purely as a DRM mechanism, so there's plenty of scary stuff going on to necessitate a degree of paranoia about these things (if you're a big enough nerd to care at all).

That said, most people with an interest in maintaining this level of privacy are probably keeping secrets a lot worse than some old illegally-ripped ROMs. I don't know why somebody would bother overwriting old update logs, but it does imply an unhealthy obsession with leaving no trace.

Honestly though, does any of this really have anything to do with /cbg/? I wouldn't be the least be surprised if this dude is in these very threads and has been the one linking to his own codeberg content. As long as he makes meaningful contributions I don't see a reason to care; unless you can provide something truly sinister and demented that gives us a reason to avoid his stuff on a purely moral basis.

does anybody remember this old story about a guy who made friends with some dude on D2 hardcore back in the day, and they played for years, until one day they were playing and he PK'd him, took his shit and never talked to him again? it was this whole fucked up saga the guy relayed and it was multiple pages long.

This dickboat. I wasn't expecting my sorc to run into a fully fucking immune mob in act 1 normal at level 2 and I didn't even realize he was immune until I had spent a bit trying to hit him through all the shit after noticing that he was rezzing other shamans. I need to get better at finding the champ/unique in the mass of mobs and parsing the description at a glance.

>>11997934 (OP)
Oh, it's back. I thought this general was killed for good. How is it now?
>Read the thread.
...oh, it's not much better. I'm not gonna scroll through previous thread then. At least I hope the sensible anons are doing well.
>>11998158
I guess Warsmash might kind of count, but I don't know how far it got with schizophrenic developer and it's probably not going to be a proper thing anyway.
>>12004468
>>12005754
By this point, it's safe to assume that only Warcraft 3 will be getting rare updates because nobody cares about the remasters of first two: Not Blizzard, not players. They were largely marked as "okay" by clueless crowd and reviewers alike, so there's not point in addressing actual issues from Blizzard's standpoint.
>>12007207
>Why not just say "this feature was removed as of X patch"?
Because of "everyone is playing the latest thing" mentality, which is probably not entirely wrong for the most part.
>>12007780
>>12007784
>I don't want to play the modern rerelease version.
There's none, really. Classic and private servers are shitty in their own way. So just safe yourself money and/or time and focus on something else.
>>12010078
>>12010083
Digital Eclipse's enhanced version is the best one, no? Since it just puts the best of SNES & Genesis versions together.

>>11997934 (OP)
I am a huge fan of these classic blizzard games. But I downloaded Starcraft original for free from battle net and I didn't like it that much.
>menus have changed
>you always have to be online to play it
>stupid options to unlock skins themes and announcers (with real money of course)
>the game process is tied to the battle net client so if battle net is messed up for whatever reason the game suffers with it
Why can't Blizzard just let us play the way the original actually was? Also, I'm going to assume the free Warcraft 3 download they have functions the exact same way.

I just masturbated watching Thrall's rule 34

>>12014963
>it does imply an unhealthy obsession with leaving no trace
In this case, it has nothing to do with privacy, the guy does not want anybody to use something that does not fit his (completely unstable) ideals of Blizzard north (Alpaca was the perfect example, which was his version of Plugy).
>Honestly though, does any of this really have anything to do with /cbg/?
Not really, but >>12013443 asked.
>gives us a reason to avoid his stuff on a purely moral basis
I never said avoid his stuff. >>12010278 mentioned him when talking about reasons to avoid LOD, and I don't think that guy's reasoning can be used as a basis for anything, because I don't think he is sane. He was active in the D2 community a few years ago, that's why I know about the history of his mods and programs. Again, I think Cactus is a decent program and the best way to play different versions of D2.

>>12016028
don't forget the inexplicable blur filter you can't disable. just get the real game off the pastebin.

>>12016028
Can you not just use -launch when starting it up? I don't think I've ever had to log into battlenet except for the initial install.

Having played the older Blizzard games thanks to their availability on the launcher, then going back to play on original clients to compare, it's obious that people cry and bitch about literally nothing more than just playing the games.

Warcraft 3 is great today, BW is great today, and there's nothing wrong with the new clients unless you're autistic. Literally people who only play vs. AI complain to the level some of you do.

>>12016338
>uhg, who cares about downgrades... it's like, fine n' stuff!
don't forget to dilate

>>12016028
>>you always have to be online to play it
You should be able to. Online login is meant to really matter for multiplayer and dumb DRM check for Remastered graphics.
>Why can't Blizzard just let us play the way the original actually was?
Because it is original... kept up-to-date. Blame Classic Games Team's approach with updating SC & War3 and implementing Remastered & Reforged like they're a WoW expansion.
>Also, I'm going to assume the free Warcraft 3 download they have functions the exact same way.
Warcraft 3 was never made F2P. Current version requires Reforged license or RoC cd-key (latter not sold anymore). 'Hidden' 1.27 installers need both cd-keys for activation.

>>12016338
>thanks to their availability on the launcher
Yes, thank god daddy nuBlizz has made these timeless classics available on The Blizzard Battle.net™ desktop app (complete with always-online DRM and micro transactions). Obviously, playing the original games through crusty old installers is for losers with autism. Did you hear me? If you aren't happy about any of these changes, you're autistic! How about them apples, huh kid???

>>12016312
I can try that. I did look it up and the web insists you need the battle net client for it. It wouldn't surprise me that even if your suggestion works, there would be some traces of battle net running somewhere.
>>12016389
I do have a reign of chaos cd key, purchased a long time ago. Apparently I can use it to access reforged, which I never knew you could do.

>>12016383
>ugh i have to be online to play this primarily online multiplayer game

>>12016512
>"""primarily"""
Shalom.

>>12016338
>>12016512
Most of my experience with the original Starcraft is the single player campaign, I don't really care about the multiplayer, that is an add-on that comes later for me. Single player is like 99 percent of the reason I downloaded it again.

>>12016530
I was always a SP/solo player myself, though Starcraft and Diablo 1 were some of my first forays into online multiplayer.
I should try to legit beat SC's campaign once I eventually get through all of WC3's.

>>12016473
>Apparently I can use it to access reforged, which I never knew you could do.
Blizzard retired TFT keys as a compensation for shutting down base game's multiplayer in 1.31, so that RoC players get expansion content for free. It was still a bullshit move on their part though.

>>12016530
Campaign is decent but almost every level plays the same way.
>rush to build defenses to handle AI waves
>once secured, run up tech tree
>build 200/200 army, go clear map of AI
I love Brood War's gameplay, but the campaign doesn't give you much in the way of options. Most RTS campaigns give you additional base locations where you can build to expand your economy, but most of SC and BW campaign maps don't give you any location that isn't overrun by the AI. Since the AI responds in force to any moves by you, hitting one of those bases before you are built up will usually result in failure.
There isn't much value in scouting either. C&C:RA2 had alternate paths, destructible walls, neutral buildings that could be captured, friendly unit reinforcements, and just plain normal buildings that could be garrisoned. With Starcraft, outside of the puzzle missions where you can't build anything, there is no real reason to scout in most of the campaign missions. There is nothing to find but more AI units to kill.
Once you get used to playing Skirmish and custom maps, the campaign feels so very limiting.

>>12016721
SC's campaign is good because of the story/characters and how it introduces the player to gameplay concepts. It isn't too comolex and it doesn't need to be, it's one big tutorial for skirmish and star edit.

Anyone watching ASL?
Lol @ Soulkey being eliminated in the round 16. Serves him right for getting cocky and picking Barracks as his opponent instead of Sharpe because "he felt bad for always beating Sharpe"

>>12017567
We don't talk about e-sports here, especially since they promote the use of new clients.

>>12017623
>especially since they promote the use of new clients.
not only this but protoss main Seo-Jun Squid Game Yun beating protoss main Ji-ho Charbroiled Pork Goojin is hardly retro in and of itself

>>12017623
Oh okay, sorry. Goodbye!

>>12017657
gay

>>12017657
I'd recommend /vst/ but they seem more interested in Brood War. There's a WC3 thread but it's on page 8.