Thread 12007062

DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>11995002

Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etc
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other 90s FPS welcome
~ Let's post like gentlemen ~

FAQ/GENERAL GUIDE
https://rentry.org/vrbin

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz

Same thing, in video format:
https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXA
https://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQ
https://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0

== GAMES/RESOURCES ==
DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8
QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhU

PortaDOOM:
https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
HALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:
https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg
4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:
https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqA

Assorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA

MIDI COLLECTIONS
https://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.zip
https://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQ
https://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009
https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z

== INFO/LINKS ==
OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
https://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/

MODDING RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37
https://realm667.com/

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==
THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/

OUR WADS/MODS
https://rentry.org/vrdepot

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrB

IMAGE/WAD DATABASE
https://vrdoom.booru.org/
https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/

MULTIPLAYER SERVERS
US West: https://clovr.xyz/
CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
Duke It Out in /vr/
Game : DN3D | Deadline : Jan 1st 2026
Tile/Con pack: https://files.catbox.moe/qns3f9.zip
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11835634

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
RC3: https://files.catbox.moe/aoucg0.7z

=== NEWS ===
[9-3] Operation Deadbolt released, MBF21 mod meant to spice up Doom 1's combat:
>https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155013

[9-2] Ashes 2063 released as a mod on GOG
https://www.gog.com/en/game/ashes_2063

[9-1] TNT2 Devilution rc1 with map26 finally released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882

[8-30] Helion Engine v0.9.8.0 update
https://github.com/Helion-Engine/Helion/releases/latest

[8-27] Herexen, vanilla crossover mod for Doom
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154886

[8-23] Eternity Engine v4.05.03 Citadel update
https://github.com/team-eternity/eternity/releases/latest

[8-18] Outlaws remaster announced
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3366780

[8-18] RMG City, an MBF21 single map
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4105

[8-17] Eventide, an episode for Doom II
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4104

[8-17] Source code for PowerSlave Saturn is open free
https://github.com/Lobotomy-Software/SlaveDriver-Engine

[8-16] Chocolate Doom v3.1.1 released
https://github.com/chocolate-doom/chocolate-doom/releases/latest

[8-15] We Have Doom at Home came out
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154723

[8-14] Quake 2+2 Jam announced for Quake IV 20th anniversary
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11948657

[8-12] XMAPEDIT has been updated
https://github.com/NoOneBlood/xmapedit/releases/latest

[8-11] Odamex v11.1.0 released
https://github.com/odamex/odamex/releases/latest

[8-10] Absurdism, a monster mod by Anon
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154653

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [MM-DD] date bracket)

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
Duke It Out in /vr/
Game : DN3D | Deadline : Jan 1st 2026
Tile/Con pack: https://files.catbox.moe/qns3f9.zip
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11835634

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
RC3: https://files.catbox.moe/aoucg0.7z

=== NEWS ===
[9-3] Operation Deadbolt released, MBF21 mod meant to spice up Doom 1's combat:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155013

[9-2] Ashes 2063 released as a mod on GOG
https://www.gog.com/en/game/ashes_2063

[9-1] TNT2 Devilution rc1 with map26 finally released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882

[8-30] Helion Engine v0.9.8.0 update
https://github.com/Helion-Engine/Helion/releases/latest

[8-27] Herexen, vanilla crossover mod for Doom
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154886

[8-23] Eternity Engine v4.05.03 Citadel update
https://github.com/team-eternity/eternity/releases/latest

[8-18] Outlaws remaster announced
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3366780

[8-18] RMG City, an MBF21 single map
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4105

[8-17] Eventide, an episode for Doom II
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4104

[8-17] Source code for PowerSlave Saturn is open free
https://github.com/Lobotomy-Software/SlaveDriver-Engine

[8-16] Chocolate Doom v3.1.1 released
https://github.com/chocolate-doom/chocolate-doom/releases/latest

[8-15] We Have Doom at Home came out
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154723

[8-14] Quake 2+2 Jam announced for Quake IV 20th anniversary
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11948657

[8-12] XMAPEDIT has been updated
https://github.com/NoOneBlood/xmapedit/releases/latest

[8-11] Odamex v11.1.0 released
https://github.com/odamex/odamex/releases/latest

[8-10] Absurdism, a monster mod by Anon
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154653

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [MM-DD] date bracket)

>>12007062 (OP)
CLASSIC DOOM CHALLENGE
Game: Doom2 / WAD: Valiant / MAP03: Tiers of Pain / Author: skillsaw / Year: 2015 / Category: UV-Fast

Can (You) beat VALIANT MAP03 with FAST MONSTERS enabled?

Respond to this post with a demo & your time. Example: 2:27 https://files.catbox.moe/x3t8hu.lmp
Good luck and have fun!
Records + wad download: https://dsdarchive.com/wads/valiant?level=Map+03
Previous thread winner: DBP20 MAP05 UV-Speed 2:25 >>11998864

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z_-SAJz154

>>12007075
>It's the DJ! Get him!

>>12007062 (OP)
Klaxon means car horn in my country :]!

>>12007072
Couldn’t someone just record a demo of a bot beating it in record time? No real way to verify online among anons

>>12007056
I think 2.0 is a semi-official thing that's been worked on for years but still isn't fully done.

1.4's the last official one but there's probably several different versions of that floating about, pic fucking related.

>>12007076
>vanilla always yes
Wordcloud hates GZslop confirmed

if you think you're safe because we've moved onto a new thread you're all WRONG BECAUSE IT'S STILL SCREENSHOT SATURDAY, MOTHERFUCKERS! I'M SURE THERE'S STILL A FEW OF YOU WORKING ON SOMETHING TO SHARE WITH US. Be it maps, mods, or sprites, it's STILL a good time to post that shit!

>>12007090
this is where I post from

>>12007093
>naked moms magazine

>>12007076
>enjoyed knowing reference
>cyberdemon literally slaughter
>romero desu
>stupid went calling
>maps made feel hard
>little gay others knew info
>blue ken including damage
>women usually enjoy corridor turns
>faggot megaman
lol

>>12007101
>mom
Anon that's upside-down, it says "wow".

>>12007103
I like my interpretation better.

>>12007076
>bfg free

>>12002105
Enjoying Operation Deadbolt + UAC Ultra. That shotgun is super strong.

>>12007076
kek

>>12007076
>faggot megaman
megaman autist eternally BTFO

>>12007081
I don't think anyone cares enough to cheat a simple /vr/ challenge, anon. It's not like it's for a cash payout or anything.

>>12007081
Too high effort of a troll for virtually no (You)s.

>>12007084
I did a quick runthrough of ep 2, and to be honest, most of the chapter isn't quite as spruced up as the first couple stages. The theater has a couple nice touch-ups like a box of chex and a goo stain behind the ticket counter, as well as some neat extras like arcade games in the lobby (one which hides a little secret).

I'd wager whatever they are/were planning for 2.0 would have affected the later stages in the chapter a lot more (maybe they can make those sewers a little more visually exciting than square green brick passages).

>>12007101
do I have to say it twice?

>>12007123
Also it's typically easier to catch TAS stuff from a demo since you've got all their inputs.

>>12007081
>the challenge is a TAS
you just gave me an idea, anon...

>>12007139
Is that a pot of baked beans?

>>12007062 (OP)
>>12007069

>https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz
Still the same old infographic link.
Are you fucking serious? Retard you've been doing this 5 last threads in a row.

ONCE AGAIN: HERE IS THE UPDATED INFOGRAPHIC LINK
https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIa
https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIa
https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIa


and then people wonder why nobody is updating the pics any further. What the fuck is the point when you have people like OP who keep shoving the old versions in there?

>>12007202
Go fuck yourself.

>>12007202
>mega-faggot pissing himself over a picture
you love to see it

>>12006678
cinnamon raspberry

>watch Sandy interview of him explaining doom 1 while people play through it
Sandy got too much shit from a narrative that painted him as a villain for no reason.

>>12007252
yummy

>>12007202
>comparing V9 to V8
>it added 3 old mods to TCs category
>everything else is unchanged
I've never made the threads myself, but maybe no ones using it because the update is barely noticeable?

>>12007108
Good to hear you're liking it, and yeah, it's called a *magnum* shotgun for a reason. I like killing cacos in Doom 1 quicker.

>>12007202
why is Ashes still not mentioned in the TCs?

>>12007324
He doesn't care.

>>12007202
>nothing has been updated other than adding 3 old mods at the bottom.
>nothing new has been added.
>brutal doom not being a gameplay mod and the description is all about it's creator instead of the mod.
>both versions have still have project MSX despite not being compatible with GZDOOM for years.
>anons are still fighting over fucking mega man.
why are you guys being such autistic pissbabies about a fucking infographic? just update the outdated info and be done with it. if you REALLY need to be prissy little tastemakers about everything then just make a fucking separate infographic for /vr/ recommended mods voted on by anons.

this is some elementary school level bullshit that you faggots are way too old for.

>>12007324
No wonder people can't be bothered to update to this version, Ashes is required playing.

>>12007386
>both versions have still have project MSX despite not being compatible with GZDOOM for years.
Run MSFix'd, or the other edit of it, keep it at one of the resolutions it expects, it's fine.

>>12007386
Get fucked.

>>12007271
Weird fanboyism does that, dude's got some pretty interesting takes on the game's he's worked on.

>map contains another 30 archvile bullrun through a corridor that's been done to death
>doomworld: wow! so original, how do mappers keep coming up with these ideas?!

>>12007440
Easily solvable

>>12007440
Whoops, wrong pic lol

>>12007202
Nobody wants your dogshit.
Nobody wants you.

>>12007202
>old infographic link

Nigger I still maintain it.

>the token 100 boxes of rockets along the perimeter of a bfg only slaughter fight with bulk cells everywhere
why do mappers do this?

>>12007516
I think they're trying to fuck with us, the bastards.

Regular thread reminder to any map makers: please use these unused Doom graphics in your maps, despite being official graphics made by the guy's at ID, these are rarely ever used in any map wads, don't let these graphics go to waste.

>>12007551
>use these decorations that require specific sector heights or that only work as the centerpiece of a large room.
They were unused for a reason.

>>12007561
Just out of curiosity, what reason do you think they were left unused? I always figured ID cut them because of memory limitations on the original Doom II floppy & disc release.

>>12007561
>>12007569
Retard me I just saw the rest of your post about the specific sector heights & large room centerpiece. I do honestly kind of wonder where these would of been used in the base Doom II maps, or were these things cut early before work on the maps started. I still hope for the day when these graphics will be used more, a Doomie can dream.

>>12007589
Also honestly I think a wad that would integrate all the unused graphics for Doom II (like the unused gore graphics in my gif, the graphics of all the unused bushes, & the unused waterfall graphic, I wonder if these were all things that were cut due to the memory limitation thing I mentioned in my other post) back into the Doom II maps would be really cool. I would love to make something like that, it's just my biggest concern would be fucking up the flow of the level with the props, like the props would make moving around during monster fights more cumbersome, that's why I also mentioned that I wish I knew where the map creators may of originally intended to use these props in the Doom II maps.

>>12007662
His carefree smug attitude mocks me, what is he thinking about?

>>12007670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-pVZiRjac

>>12007551
A hanging torso over a firepit typed this.

>>12007416
no i'm tired of this fatherless behavior between you and the megaman fag over a glorified beginner's guide.

it's been going on for months.

>>12007682
None of us are under any obligation to go along with his mental infortitude. If we try ignoring him, maybe he'll fucking go away.

>>12007551
Many of Xaser's and Doomkid's wads use these sprites as do many wads with alpha/beta aesthetic like Nihility.

>>12007670
He's thinking about inserting his connector to various ports of Iron Maidens.

>>12007682
>fatherless behavior
Caving to tantrums is peak poor parenting.

>>12007682
It's multiple people that are shitting on the Megaman fag. I used to be one of them and quite vocal about, but haven't bothered for a month or so. Got tired. Not autistic enough to continue.

That being said, it's quite clear he "updated" the infograph just to add Megaman. Brutal Doom isn't even a tc, and the infograph just bashes it. So basically it's just 2 mods added (another which was made 26 years ago), so it doesn't seem like a real update, while there is tons of more important stuff like our community projects and solo projects of our members, to be added. If he's capable of adding Megaman to graph, I'm sure he has time and skills to do real update to end this nonsense.

>>12006843
func_vehicle 2012
>>12006189
Everything is competing with tiktok unfortunately.

>>12007729
I mean he's not fucking capable, look at how he did it.

I've just kinda ignored the whole debate this entire time. I'd prob want to put way too many mods on their to list and really I kind of do enjoy that old infographic since I am still going through stuff on it + the quickstart download despite browsing these threads for more than half a decade. Just finally loaded up Zen Dynamics earlier.

>>12007090
Its almost Sunday here, but I think im still good
one of the other guys finished animating the C96 for the BOA project, so heres a bit of a teaser as the manual loading animation
had to do some extra research for how to properly load a C96 this way, and as far as we found this should be accurate

>>12007551
The corpse pile got used in Legacy of Rust, at the very least. Down below the dam. Not sure about the barbeques.

>>12007130
post the digits, anon

>>12007710
Nihility is a tranny wad

>>12007734
I might look into updating it. I particularly have nothing against Megaman myself. I occasionally enjoy playing those Zandronum with single player deathmatch campaigns. Technically I could let the Megaman be there, but at this point it would make me look like I'm the Megaman schizo which would lead into the update being not accepted and me doing unnecessary work.

That's the irony of the deeds of this Megaman obsession guy. His obsession has done more damage to wad's reputation here than anything else. Maybe the best course of action would be for him to back off a little bit, so everyone can forget the controversy within the wad caused solely by his autism, and sometime in a future make a real big update to infograph to may or may not have Megaman.

Why even Megaman of all of the multiplayer wads. Complex Invasion, QCDE or Horde are all much more popular. If Megaman was added, there would need to be whole lot of multiplayer stuff added.

>>12007750
Care to elaborate, retard?

>>12007729
>and solo projects of our members
I'd rather not. Imageboards are even grounds for people from all sorts of places, who prefer to engage anonymously, and I'd like to keep it that way, not shape its identity like it's some discord community group with followings surrounding it.

>>12007742
I think the barbeques were used in that level where you are running from all those Cyberdemons.

>>12007662
This is Quake 2 man? He looks like someone out of Morrowind. What is going on with that scalp? Oh well, I always liked Ranger more anyway.

>>12007759
It wouldn't surprise me since the episode sought to use everything else it could from the scrap heap. Including beta monsters.

>>12007758
I have to disagree. Stuff like Rekkr, Golden Souls trilogy, Hell Frontier, 10x10 Project, Machete and Disjunction are all well known and loved even outside /vr/, cacowarded even. They have as much reason to be there as Eviternity, Auger Zenith and other notable stuff. They should not be disqualified just because they come from /vr/ guys. All forums award their own guys. Why shouldn't us?
Howerer I'm not talking about putting every anon's first maps there. Just the classics and modern classics.

>>12007750
Unless they literally filled it with fagflag propaganda, I really don't want to hear such empty, feelings-based accusations.

>>12007761
He got stroggified. His head has all sorts of cables and cords inserted in.

>>12007773
I don't remember that happening in Q2. I remember it in Q4, though.

>>12007771
Nta, but it has nothing like that. It's just Doom 1 episode with 90s like level design, almost all of alpha stuff inc textures, weapons, items, lot if new enemy variants and cool horror atmosphere with ambient noises instead of music. Talentless schizos that have not else going on than shitting on someone elses talented work and spreading outright lies about them, should be hanged from their balls.

>>12007782
Sounds down my alley. Doom 64 did something like that, and I loved it. New monsters are always welcome too, especially since i've been binging vanilla wads lately.

>>12007776
It happened between Q2 and Q3, but Q3 is really not canon anyway, but what is? Quakes and Dooms have always been more of the setting and enviromental story telling instead of character based plotlines.

>>12007785
Check out Alpha Accident: Terra Nova too.

>>12007782
>90s like level design
Later maps quickly disprove that, it's more in the vein of No End of Sight maybe. It also has Valiant suicide bombers.

>>12007808
Dude have you played 90s wads? NEIS is 90s worship too.

Didn't remember suicide bombers, but they kinda fit there. They are used differently than in Valiant for example. There is not a lot of Plutonia or Scythe influence in this.

Sweet, sweet freedom.

It seems surreal how tables have turned with Q2 and Q1 mapping/modding scenes.

With Q2 we have these coming soon
>Call Of The Void
>unnamed jam with Void assets
>Quake 2+2
>Zaero remaster
>Return To Perdition

And with Q1 we have... Tremor which haven't had any updates past 3 years which probably means that it's dead. Grim.

This is still one of the greatest videos of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdo9HZTgr6s

>>12007449
Simulacrum is the worst at padding fights with Archviles. It's a competent megawad but there's a routine to its design that makes it feel inauthentic, like an AI was told to pump out a megawad of hard and modern looking maps as efficiently as possible. Makes sense since Myolden is pumping out maps as fast as Joe-Ilya.

>>12007880
Myolden maps in Nostalgia (especially the city maps) have a lot of soul. I think he kinda tries out-Sunlust the Sunlust in Simulacrum. Not bad maps in any means, but I can see how they could be seen as less memorable. Muumi is the real soul of Simulacrum though. His maps are very memorable and his animated skies add lot to the atmosphere.

hi guys, I'm looking for (g)zdoom mod recommendations for Hexen and Strife

nothing excessive, something along the lines of what Wayfarer's Tome is to Heretic

I have my eyes on
-Hexen Rebalanced by ReaperAA
-Tempered Arms by Lippeth
-Strife Uncut by Zaero

has anyone tried them out?

>>12007821
>Dude have you played 90s wads?
Yeah, and by and large most will fail at emulating them. It's not 90s anymore and with modern tools the focus has shifted onto visuals, people can't help but to pour more effort into pretty things. As you said, worship, or homage; but it wouldn't make it a lesser interesting thing to play. I think use3d and Monti still get it right.

>There is not a lot of Plutonia or Scythe influence in this.
Like it has no doom 2 monsters. Just saying.

>>12007769
>Stuff like Rekkr, Golden Souls trilogy, Hell Frontier, 10x10 Project, Machete and Disjunction
Would putting something joe-ilya has made would make this inforgraphic less of /vr/ visit card, or more? He's "our" guy with many precious contributions as of now.
All of this stuff is on vrbin already by the way.

>>12007769
>Stuff like Rekkr, Golden Souls trilogy, Hell Frontier, 10x10 Project, Machete and Disjunction
Would putting something joe-ilya has made would make this inforgraphic less of /vr/ visit card, or more? He's "our guy" with many precious contributions as of now.
All of this stuff is on vrbin already by the way.

>>12007271
Sandy is cool.
>>12007432
>Weird fanboyism does that
Yeah. Immature bastards go with "if I like this one guy, then I must hate another" and that behavior being encouraged in the past doesn't help shit either.
>>12007551
Here's a controversial idea, anon: how about you go and make a map with these textures yourself?
>>12007776
>I remember it in Q4, though.
It was a different character... for some stupid reason.
>>12007787
>Q3 is really not canon anyway
It is. Arena Eternal is just it's own plane of existence or whatever that doesn't really affect any other game.
I'll use Champions as explanation, but it having both BJ and Doomguy there didn't have any affect on each franchise. Same logic implies to Q3A.

>>12007949
Why are you referring to yourself in 3rd person?

>>12007271
>Sandy interview of him...
Don't care. Guy is still afraid of making a single serviceable map, instead spams the twitter like a true grandpa on leave.

>>12007956
I know who I am, anon.

>>12007949
Has Joe-ilya ever made a solo map set?

>>12007983
Rise of the Triangles. There was another one he mentioned in previous thread that I know nothing much about. I think he's trying to catch up with solo sets after working on community projects all the time.

>>12007740
I can't even see what's going on in there.
Is he inserting a single round into the bolt carrier?

>>12007962
>Guy is still afraid of making a single serviceable map
Sandy doesn't need to pander to the only niche group of people that somewhat care about him. Petersen had a proper career with many accomplishments.

>>12007386
>>both versions have still have project MSX despite not being compatible with GZDOOM for years.
Good. Everything related to GZDoom should be removed from the OP.

>>12008101
>pander
He does, in a way. Otherwise he wouldn't have been writing and talking about doom all the time.

>>12008123
He also talks about Call Of Cthulhu, Age Of Empires and horror movies and horror literature, more than Doom actually. At least get your facts straight.

>>12008101
It'd also just be feeding the stupid him vs Romero thing even more.
>Petersen had a proper career with many accomplishments.
Yeah, dude just moved the fuck on from id and went back to doing other stuff.

>>12008169
That's everyone but Romero, to be fair.

>>12007072
3:01 https://files.catbox.moe/mm92xc.lmp

>>12008169
Without Sandy, Lovecraft and Cthulhu Mythos wouldn't have been so popular from 80s to this day. He created the whole Call Of Cthulhu rpg, fixed Derleth's shitty updates to mythos, and categorized everything much better (like separating Shoggoth and Dark Young Of Shub-Niggurath into different creatures, because they were already completely different creatures in their novels even though both were called Shoggoths). All post 80s mythos novels, games and table tops are based on Sandy's updated Mythos, which makes him second most important Cthulhu Mythos creator after Lovecraft himself. Sure he was important guy on Doom and Quake, but Call Of Cthulhu rpg is his greatest achievement.

>>12008180
>That's everyone but Romero, to be fair.
Is that also a part of the stupid Romero vs. Petersen fallacy anon has mentioned? Sounds to me they both crave attention just the same. But in any case, this topic expires faster than a whore rotting under the desert sun.

>>12008231
>Without Sandy, Lovecraft and Cthulhu Mythos wouldn't have been so popular from 80s to this day.
Yeah there's a couple of interesting documentaries on it that amount to Lovecraft being a largely forgotten author by the 60s/70s.

>>12008231
Did Sandy's game come out before the Metallica song?

>>12008293
Call of Cthulhu was first released in 81, so it was before the song got renamed, yeah.

>>12007892
>Tempered Arms by Lippeth
Baratus and Parias are extremely overpowered IMO, Daedolon is good.
The Fighter gets a shield for his axe which removes his early game weakness against Chaos Serpents. Alt-fire of the Hammer is very powerful and mana-efficient, you can just run around and bash the ground until everybody is dead. Quietus can work as a melee weapon.
The Cleric gets a shield. The Serpent staff has an AOE alt-fire and the Firestorm creates a killing aura around the player. Wraithverge is mostly the same.
The Mage is more balanced. He gets a melee attack for his wand, the Frost Shards launch icicles in full-auto mode, the Arc of Death gibs centaurs in melee. Bloodscourge is much more reliable in tight rooms.
All weapons also receive gorgerous smooth animations.

>>12008186
Nice, I like that you came up with your own route first. If this is Multiple-Demos-Submitted-Anon, and you plan on grinding more, check out the current record on DSDA for ideas (1:25). I just watched it for the first time

>>12008298
Ebin. I always thought Metallica was what made Cthulhu part of popular culture. I first heard this song 15+ years ago and only just read the story Call of Cthulhu recently and it makes this song even more bad ass
https://youtu.be/ocpQ3vqRKLo
https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/cc.aspx

>>12007750
You should 41% yourself for making posts lile these.

>>12008264
I think that could probably be argued, but him doing the Call Of Cthulhu game no doubt really helped revive interest in Lovecraft's works.

>>12007748
Not him, but I found it. Not sure if you want it or not, it was a bit TOO fucked up, at least for me.

>>12007782
It's a good .wad, it's supposed to have more parts to it, wonder if those will ever be made?

>>12007309
It doesn't matter how "barely noticeable" it is - it is an update, which means this is what you use.

>>12007324
There a lot more updates to make but what is the point? These retards can't put an updated link in the OP.

>>12007386
This. Except people HAVE VOTED for mega man but a couple of retards here are too stubborn to ever let go of their autistic rage over mega man and they keep using retarded arguments to keep not updating the link which only demotivates people who actually work on the updates.

>>12008507
Mega-man more like mega-fag lol

>>12007709
Yeah cause that worked so well for what, 5 years now? At this point you faggots are more annoying than pro-megaman crowd.
Literally you had 4 threads or whatever the actual number is to just update the fucking link which is objectively an improvement, however small. And you are going against all common sense and logic, going the extra mile just to piss people off

>>12007729
> It's multiple people that are shitting on the Megaman fag
1. I will buy that maybe there are two (2) people shitting on megaman wad but it's definitely not more than that.
2. It's 100% not one person who's pro-megaman for the simple reason that back when we had anti-megaman janny(ies) they would constantly ban him for literally any mention of megaman or their own banning policies. But other people would always start posting about it whenever that happened.

> I used to be one of them and quite vocal about
Be honest, was it you who kept insisting that it's only one guy? Cause you're doing it still.

> That being said, it's quite clear he "updated" the infograph just to add Megaman.
Who gives a fuck what the motive is? It is an update and a decent one at that - even though it's like 1.5% of all the shit that needs to be updated on that pic.

> If he's capable of adding Megaman to graph, I'm sure he has time and skills to do real update to end this nonsense.
Except why would he or anybody else do it if people keep using the old link out of sheer weaponized autism?

>>12007758
This. Faggot jannies and some others desperately want this to be a shitty forum where everyone knows everyone and all are ruled by the ban hammer of the admin, but that's the opposite of what 4chan is and should be.

>>12008509
Among anti-megaman folk this is considered being intelligent

I legit can't believe how much the tables have turned. I used to be annoyed by the original megaman fuck, but the more I read these arguments the more I realize that at least the current wave of mm supporters are pretty much 100% reasonable and the only thing that anti-mms are spewing is "hurr durr u lost kek", "fuck u" and "durrr the new infographic is not literally perfect so we're just gonna ignore every new version until we get a perfect one [never]".
Fucking imbeciles.
Next I see an old link used I will point it out personally and I don't care if it starts another shit flinging, you deserve it for being this infantile.

>>12008507
I don't even understand what this whole thing is about.

>>12007506
In what sense are you maintaining it? You haven't updated the doom pic at all, despite multiple versions now.
Are you this pathetic that your ego is attached to being "the guy who watches over the infographic link"?

>>12007489
Speak for yourself samefag

>>12008541
Very simple.
> way back anon furiously suggested megaman should be added to the doom infographic
> people eventually told him to make his version and promised it will be added
> he made his version
> they didn't like it
> he made another version
> they said it was fine
> it was never added and he was banned
> pretty much a version of the same story repeats itself every couple of months except the pro-megaman people keep becoming more reasonable and anit-megaman people are more and more retarded and unhinged
Only recently have we lost power abusing jannies but it before that people would get banned for the most ridiculous non-rule breaking stuff

Somebody even documented this: https://imgur.com/a/so-youre-sick-of-jannys-autism-XCUcFaK

>>12008559
If you care that much don't take my word for it - just feel free to actually read the archives.

And of course shit like pic related doesn't get created for no reason exactly.
If faggot janny returns - feel free to use this. Who knows maybe it's this kind of activism that got mods to review what was actually going on here

>>12008561
wrong pic, meant this one

>>12008541
its about a couple of autists who want this place to be a small-time forum literally using any excuse to prevent somebody they identified as a "foreigner" from making contributions to their isolated ghetto community

>>12008541
Stupid personal power fight that started over shitty edits to an image that most people pay no attention to, but grew to include fighting over mods, that one mentally ill dipshit resurfacing and anons with a persecutions complex trying to use it as absolute proof of them being an appressed underclass sticking up to an evil dictator.

All of it's entirely fucking worthless and has dragged on for months with flareups like this whenever somebody gets bitchy about it again and reminds all the other idiots to start their own shit up too.

>>12008564
>anons with a persecutions complex
Retard it's not a "complex" if there are actual screenshots to confirm that there was janitorial/mod abuse. Literally somebody posted it right above you https://imgur.com/a/so-youre-sick-of-jannys-autism-XCUcFaK

>>12008564
>appressed
Lmao. But hey you almost sounded convincing there before revealing your idiocy.

>>12008564
yeah and please mention what is the actual reason for these flareups? maybe the fact that some fuck keeps ignoring the updates that some people work on? imagine you spend time and effort on a wad and it literally doesn't get posted in the news?
no shit people are gonna bring it up.

Posting a fireblu sector toilet in a Doom thread.

You guys like Doom, right?

>>12007204
>>12007232
most intelligent anti-megaman posters lmao

If people are so upset about it, why not include a section in the graphic for other franchise Doom spinoffs? You could accompany MM8BDM with SR2B and SR2B kart/ Ring Racers.

>>12008581
We had an anon who was spending some time making a big overhaul to it but he keeps getting discouraged.

>>12008573
I love to fireblu when I firepoo

>>12008573
Overused palette, disparate-looking shotgun, textures could use some variety. If not for these negative points it could've been one good cozy toilet. HUD is decent.

>>12008581
People initially got defense because it started as that anon trying to replace other mods so he could fanwank his chosen mod, not that the fight these days is even really about the mod anymore.

The image was so insignificant it didn't get touched for some thing like ten years, and updating it now is kind of pointless when there's the /vr/ depot page and stuff like that, which can provide information in a much better way than a handful of pngs ever could.

>>12007847
Amazing what can happen if you present even a *slightly* less gay (literally) and retarded (also literally) community in which talented people can participate in.

>>12008605
>HUD is decent.
Really grips your attention while taking a dump, better than most air freshener labelings

>>12008605
It's an insanity section, it's not always fireblu.

>>12008524
You might be new on this general. While the anonymity here is all fine and good, usually the project leaders and more known names sometimes post their releases with names. It makes project managing easier. Also I'm pretty sure that Revae, Batandy and lunchlunch don't mind if they have their wads recommended on infograph as they've already been cacowarded and have their wads played by multiple vtubers. Also the infograph does already have our wads section, so it would just be an expansion.

Also this general is very different from the rest of site. Instead of being full contrarian shithole where we just hate everything related to our hobby, we make shitloads of quality oc and celebrate our work. If this starts to become /v/ 2.0 where nobody produces anything but only shitposts off-topic, I have no reason to stay here myself. Luckily this isn't the case.

What comes to bans and jannies, this discussion isn't really related to them.

>>12008562
Never take your meds, niggas like you that are straight up crazy but not violent are funny as hell

>>12008581
Dude this is literally like fourth way of doing this. MM has been added at various points to 3 different sections but 1-2 faggots keep autistically screeching that it's "wrong" and unorthodox or some shit.
There is no reasoning with them. They've attached their ego to the idea that megaman must not be in the infographic for some moronic reason.

>>12008616
Yea. Thinking about joining map-center myself when I have more time on my hands. Not yet experienced on Q2 mapping, but I'm interested. Especially when Call Of The Void adds all Q1 monsters and textures, which allows to make much more interesting scenarios in addition of just techbases.

>>12008589
As well he should, his shit is awful.
But also again what's the point? Some faggot will keep making new threads with the old link anyways.

>>12008651
>As well he should, his shit is awful.
If we're talking about that 90's looking one that I assume >>11996980 was working on, I can't agree. Above all else I trust him more than anything that's been posted above.

>>12008606
>not that the fight these days is even really about the mod anymore.
To me it seems like it's about people who want to continue to make progress of which megaman has become a symbol vs people who want to literally never move forward and sit on their 20 yo links/images/etc and I guess jerk off to how "correct" and cosher it is

>>12008643
Dude, there is nothing wrong with adding the Megaman to infograph. There is plenty wrong in disguising the addition of one 15 year old as an actual update and trying to spam it every thread, while refusing to actually update the infograph. You should see the difference in this.

Howerer, you should rejoice. I've had enough of this shit, so I will start doing actual updated infograph next week and will post my progress here. The update will have your Megaman, but also 90 more important updates. Will you now shut up about it?

>>12008634
> You might be new on this general.
I'm not.
>usually the project leaders and more known names sometimes post their releases with names. It makes project managing easier. Also I'm pretty sure that Revae, Batandy and lunchlunch don't mind if they have their wads recommended on infograph as they've already been cacowarded and have their wads played by multiple vtubers. Also the infograph does already have our wads section, so it would just be an expansion.
That makes perfect sense and is exactly why "Name" field exists to begin with. But I'm taking about an authoritarian shithole that some people wanna see this place become. And you can just take a look at various doom forums to see what it inevitably leads to - politics that ruins the actual community of people who care about the thing and not the power bullshit.

> Also this general is very different from the rest of site. Instead of being full contrarian shithole where we just hate everything related to our hobby
Oh but that's exactly what we're seeing now. Some people trying to make changes and actually working off of feedback and then a bunch of faggots never letting them make a single step forward by forcing the old shitty link in the OP.

> we make shitloads of quality oc and celebrate our work
Not when it comes to infographics apparently lol.

> What comes to bans and jannies, this discussion isn't really related to them.
I don't know what discussion are you having but I can tell you that posting here under the oppression of jannies was fucking awful and everybody hated it - which is why every time a janny would be absent even for a couple of hours the whole thread would turn into taking shit on him for being a faggot. There's no smoke without fire.
Now we have a - possibly temporary - period of freedom and I for one cherish it very much.

>>12008658
There's some of that but there's also the weird board shit that crept in shortly later with the anon in this thread thinking he's doing internet activism.

>>12008665
>The update will have your Megaman, but also 90 more important updates. Will you now shut up about it?
Please do, add every conceivable mod so it goes back to being a universally boring thing where no fuckwit decides to fight for his own piece of personal validation and it gets forgotten for another decade.

>>12008665
Not him, but I'd love to see a legit new version. Go for it bro. Do a good job so that no one can question its worthiness to be used.

>>12008658
Megaman is 15 year old. I wouldn't call it progress. But like I said, I will update the infograph and add the Megaman among other things, because you lack the skills to do so. I'm doing this for all of us. I just want this shit to stop. I want peace on /vr/.

>>12008559
>>12008563
>>12008564
Jesus fucking Christ. Is the Mega Man franchise cursed or something?

>>12008665
>while refusing to actually update the infograph
Except if you actually knew wtf you were talking about, you would know that there were already 4+ versions that include the megaman one including v9. And every one of them, even if actually liked by actual people, always gets suppressed for whatever reason. THAT is why people are protesting.

> Howerer, you should rejoice. I've had enough of this shit, so I will start doing actual updated infograph next week and will post my progress here. The update will have your Megaman, but also 90 more important updates. Will you now shut up about it?
I can only speak for myself but I would love to see the reaction of these 1-2 anti-megaman trolls to this.
Cause you're like the fifth person now who openly says he's gonna add mm in some way and everybody before you got fucked over despite their good intentions.
So we'll see if your reputation or whatever you think you have is enough for them to not turn against your work simply for having megaman in it.

But I will say this - anybody who actually contributes, even regardless of quality - is infinitely morally above all the shitters who only come here to block ideas and content with their shit talk.

>>12008685
Not really, the mod itself could have been anything, it could have been Legendary Complex Doom or some other shit, it just took somebody being obnoxious for it to snowball into some fucking year long shitfest of idiocy.

>>12008680
Yea. I'm adding a lot of stuff and reworking lot of stuff, but I will howerer post prototypes, so people who want participate on suggestions can do it.

>>12008682
I will. It will be a worthy update. Will probably take a few weeks to complete the whole thing.

>>12008695
>Not really

You forget the time when everyone was convinced that Capcom was deliberately trying to kill the IP.

>>12008680
>There's some of that but there's also the weird board shit that crept in shortly later with the anon in this thread thinking he's doing internet activism.
I mean back when we had turbo-cunty jannies that was actually called for. Now I guess you could argue it's important to "never forget" about the crimes against anonymity and fairness that used to happen (as autistic as that sounds).

> Please do, add every conceivable mod so it goes back to being a universally boring thing where no fuckwit decides to fight for his own piece of personal validation and it gets forgotten for another decade.
This

>>12008690
The difference is that, that I'm actually updating it. Megaman will be 1% of the update. A side note and not real reason for updating. I've thought about updating this for few years, but this was the last push for me to do it.

>>12008698
To be fair they did kill the next Megaman Legends game and killed Zx while leaving it on a cliffhanger.

To keep it on topic, Highway Acelleroid Booster sure is cool.
https://terminusest13.itch.io/highway-acceleroid-booster

>>12008707
You don't win against retards by appeasing them. You just encourage their incomprehensible whims.
The megaman mp mod is dead and more posters itt have argued against it than there have been matches played this year. The very fact he preferred to include some throwaway megaman mod over any of the ashes projects just indicates arrested mental development by overexposure to nintendo products

>>12008717
You think he actually plays videogames?

>>12008717
I'm not trying to win against anyone. I just want stop this unnecessary war on both sides. And of course I'm including Ashes. The most important reason for me doing this is to update the infograph that nobody has updated for 9? years. The source port info is outdated, there's lot of important wads missing, there /vr/'s wads missing etc. I just want to document stuff, our stuff. Megaman is just sidenote to stop this stupid war. And I probably wouldn't even consider adding if it did not have single player campaign. I probably put it to TCs instead mp.

>>12008717
Again with this retarded argument.
Once again bozo:
1. the original megaman autist hasn't returned to this board in eons.
2. every person who's been in favor of adding megaman this last half a year that I've been frequenting this place has been 100% reasonable and open to feedback even if their versions were kinda shit or at least disliked by me

You are arguing in bad faith, probably because you're the anti-megaman schizo

>>12008740
>1. the original megaman autist hasn't returned to this board in eons.
yet here you are

>>12008740
You're so fucking obvious.

>>12008739
>And I probably wouldn't even consider adding if it did not have single player campaign.
For the record the multiplayer is totally alive though not as jam packed as it was couple of years ago. I played it recently and some other anons did too since they posted screenshots.

> I probably put it to TCs instead mp.
Agreed.

>>12008717
>You don't win against retards by appeasing them.
clearly you don't win by being as stubborn and autistic as they are either, since this would've been over months ago if some cuck didn't keep pushing the old infographic link. honestly it's probably the guy who made it, who's just too petty to give up his real estate in the OP

>>12008751
>as they are
why are you talking about yourself in the 3rd person

>>12008751
There is not new infograph link (yet), but there will be. The real version will hopefully satisfy everyone. At this point it is meaningless to add the version with only 3 new (actually old) TCs added and not any important info updated.

>>12007062 (OP)
Vytaan is streaming Eviternity II d2all attempts
MAP33 is next! https://www.twitch.tv/vytaan

Do we discuss Doom anymore?

>>12008748
Now, as I'm making the infograph, I'm asking you to step down on this fight. You are not doing any favors for me, yourself or regarding the addition of Megaman, if you don't calm down on this subject matter.

Also, this is one time only thing. If you get obsessed over some other wad in the future, and the infograph is already updated, I won't do any other update just to add 1 wad.

>>12008764
buy an ad

>Yet another thread derailed by arguments about the infograph/MM
Fucking hell.

>>12008765
Infograph is part of the meta discussion as long as it keeps civil.

>>12008773
It's a shitty and retarded meta discussion.

>>12008771
Not so much derailed as I decided to start the updating progress next week. It will be fun, and you all can participate with suggestions. Peace.

>>12008696
I'm still against the known named posters getting a special treatment outside of /vr/ community projects, but if you're willing to hit past the upload size limits then maybe it's alright. Wouldn't prevent from some groups infiltrating anyway, of which there is already a precedent. The list you have provided was least concerning >>12007769

>>12008776
And what do you think you are adding with this comment? Why do see documenting our history and ultimately keeping this place alive and well as a bad thing?

>>12007769
>All forums award their own guys
Please don't go down that thought path, this shit is already bad enough without anons getting the idea that we should run our own Cacowards equivalent.

>>12008682
>Inner thigh scratch marks
You guys don't think? No, an Imp wouldn't do that to Doomguy...

>>12008803
It's not a question of what an Imp would do to Doomguy, it's a question of what Doomguy would force the Imp to do.

Is anyone even playing MM8BDM right now?

>>12008803
Baron is gonna show Doomguy whos boss in this techbase.

>>12008782
Not including them would be a special treatment. I'm gonna add stuff like Eviternity, Ashes, Auger Zenith, and dozens of wads not made by any of us too. I'm not cancelling or banning stuff just because they are made by /vr/ members. I'm open for suggestions, but sorry I'm not going anti-/vr/, because of paranoid fears. It's infograph made by /vr/ for /vr/, so of course it will be pro-/vr/.

>>12008807
Not really.

>>12008819
highly historically notable mod
at least in some schizophrenic's mind

>>12008820
Even the one server that looks alive is just bots, lol.

>>12008760
Yes, there is. Somebody posts it literally in every thread - including in response to the news post. It just keeps getting ignored.

https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIa

>>12008814
There can only be one boss of the Phobos gym, you know.

>>12008767
Why do I have to step down but not the people pushing the old link? I think it's just good manners to use to latest version of the link and then when yours is done, provided it's of quality - we will switch that one out.
But the new link is better anyways since it fixed the order Thief pics so they are actually in a row as opposed to in random order. The guy who maintains it promised to be fair and so far has been.

> If you get obsessed over some other wad in the future
Personally was never obsessed with any wad aside from maybe BD in how much I hate it, but I never really post about it and don't even mind it being in the pic, since I'm not autistic.

>>12008828
I told you to back off. I'm updating the infograph for real. Don't make me change my mind.

>>12008791
Because he's a sad incel, obviously. Same reason he's against making small additions. If it wasn't megaman, he'd be hating something else and I'm sure he has already.

>>12008835
I'm doing only the one for Doom now, but I can copy the Thief updates.

>>12008797
What's wrong with that? They shouldn't have all the monopoly especially since we know for a fact that they've become political and power oriented as opposed to fair

>>12008807
I'm gonna play in a couple of hours probably

>>12008819
> Not really
>> *posts a screenshot of a hundred servers*
How many multiplayer mods are this alive after this much time?

>>12008845
Agreed. We should always celebrate our own work. Anyone who is against this should fock off.

>>12008797
I have a golden boner!

>>12008838
> I told you to back off.
Take it easy little bro. If you final version is good, we'll switch to it. For now, the latest we got is https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIa
So if you gonna release yours in a couple weeks anyway what's the issue with using the latest one we have for now?

>>12008852
There are thousands of servers hosting dead games that no one plays, because it costs nothing
Get it through your thick retarded skull, no human plays your megaman mod that you're obsessed over for some reason that even Freud couldn't fathom

>>12008845
One fuckwit's need for an old infographic to validate his taste in mods has fucked these threads sideways for half a year or more already, we don't need some idiot deciding he has to force A Boy & His Barrel has to win a /Doom/ Award and other chucklefucks getting on the bandwagons for/against it for their own reasons.

>>12008843
Are you gonna make your own link? Cause at this point I'm against using the old link even if it gets updated. The guy who maintains it seems unstable

>>12008862
If anything it will activate this general and make people try more

>>12008852
>hundreds of servers
All empty servers except the two with bots, they're not alive.

>>12008868
show me super alive multiplayer mods this old

>>12008867
>and make people try more
Hasn't happened so far, sure there's been inane bickering aplenty but not so much creativity.

>>12008872
Why should he show you? He’s not the one proposing that we change the infographic just to add your favorite shitty mod to it, he doesnt have to prove anything
Just leave it you giga retarded autist, wait patiently and the other anon will add it
For the love of God quit derailing the thread

>>12008863
Yes.

>>12008862
My major reason for doing it is to update outdated info. Adding mm to stop this stupid flamewar and to stop mm guy forcing his infograph is just a sidequest. If majority decides the new infograph is shit, I'll back off too. If you are doing nothing yourself, you have no right criticize.

>>12008797
Our own awards is something that was actually knocked around in the past some but nothing ever came out of it simply because there's no reliable and secure way to do this sort of thing with any reasonable degree of anonymity, and also nobody could be fucked to build and organize this kind of shit.
I think we probably all quietly came to the conclusion that it wasn't necessary anyway, and looking at how Cacowards went over time, combined with those catastrophically shitty and low effort "Doom Awards" which were going to be "a better and less biased Cacowards," everyone decided it was even less necessary.

I think however that we should definitely feature a section for our own works on a /vr/ Dooming chart, because it's OUR chart collectively, and I think some of this stuff is genuinely pretty good and worth having some pride over. That's not an awards show, we're just listing some of our own work, it's not like there's absolute tons of them that would take up much space.

I don't know if I still want to continue making one though, and I'm personally at the point where if I continue and get there, I'd simply exclude MM8BDM out of spite. He had his chance and he's been WAY too fucking annoying.

>>12008852
All those Megaman 8-Bit Death Match, servers, and it's all Megaman 8-Bit Tumble Weeds.
You should have gotten on this autism train like 8 years ago, when people on /doom/ actually gave a fuck about this mod, and back when it had more than a handful of people playing it.

Ghouls Vs. Humans is a much cooler multiplayer mod by Cutman anyway.

>>12008884
If you are seriously working on it, then evaluate the fact that even by inclusion of some dead decade old mp mod that a sole poster is forcing into it will make anyone regard the rest of it dubious.

>>12008880
How are we derailing the thread? The first guy asked to finally included the updated link and he got mostly insults in response. Then other people started explaining why the anti-megaman logic doesn't make sense.
So how is addressing a real issue of new link being ignored = derailing?

>>12008884
>Yes.
Good.

>>12008891
>I don't know if I still want to continue making one though, and I'm personally at the point where if I continue and get there, I'd simply exclude MM8BDM out of spite. He had his chance and he's been WAY too fucking annoying.
Who is "he"? A ton of people have argued in favor of mm8bdm at this point. So it seems like you're just making an excuse for what you were gonna do anyways.

>>12008896
>A ton of people
yeah, (You)
stop humiliating yourself

>>12008892
> he's still trying to manipulate people into excluding mm
Holy christ man. Just give it up already.
Everybody has decided like 10 times already that mm8bdm should be in the final pic - whoever makes it. It's over. Let it go.

>>12008891
> combined with those catastrophically shitty and low effort "Doom Awards" which were going to be "a better and less biased Cacowards," everyone decided it was even less necessary.
Even the ZDoom awards fell flat on their face for being a shallow attempt to placate an angry Graf.
>I think however that we should definitely feature a section for our own works
So something like this?
https://rentry.org/vrdepot

>>12008891
You seem to have some kind of monarch complex where you put yourself in a position to "punish" people by excluding "their" mod. So I'm already inclined to reject your work, since you're showing yourself to be biased.
We don't need any more autism - whether for megaman or against, or with regard to any other wad/mod.

>>12008896
Maybe your lack of medication makes you feel like you're a ton of people, but you're pissing me the fuck off with your obvious samefagging and incredibly shitty attempts at gaslighting.
I have no respect for you at all, clearly the notion of getting you to behave by being open to appeasing you was a colossal error in my judgment, and I will be making no further efforts for your sake in the future.

>>12008907
The depot is good and I'm appreciative of it, but I like the convenience of having basically just a "flyer" which can be posted on the boards or other places.
Something which gives anyone interested the quick and basic rundown of how to get started with the base game, and then some parts with various different optional contents.

>>12008916
this. I'm not a hater or anything and am on the side of creators by default but this shitty attitude of "durr I'm gonna punish you little one" and admitting you're doing something out of spite is inherently repulsive.

>>12008892
I'm starting next week. Not tomorrow, but the day after that. Mm has also sp portion, and it's the sole reason I even consider adding it. But it's definitely not the only mod I'm adding, and probably the least important one. Ashes is the most important tc addition imo.

>>12008916
>>12008921
You're completely transparent.

>>12008573
>Doom
more like dumb lmao

>>12008917
>Maybe your lack of medication makes you feel like you're a ton of people, but you're pissing me the fuck off with your obvious samefagging and incredibly shitty attempts at gaslighting.
>I have no respect for you at all, clearly the notion of getting you to behave by being open to appeasing you was a colossal error in my judgment, and I will be making no further efforts for your sake in the future.
Retard I'm gonna say this once: I am one of several people in this thread. I am not against your future pic. But I'm not gonna "behave" on your command like I'm your fucking lapdog. Wanna discipline people to feel better about yourself? Try becoming a janny (tho you sound like you'd be insufferable).
I'm posting about an aspect of doom in a doom thread.
What the fuck is your problem exactly?

>>12008924
>Mm has also sp portion
You should definitely emphasize this in the write-up, the single player is pretty great too, very underrated.

>>12008896
Please stop this, if you want mm8bit added. I dont care about mm8bit added myself even though I will update the infograph. I'm doing it for you as favor. So please, stop lies, stop gaslighting, stop samefagging, stop spamming over this same topic. Do not make me change my mind.

>>12008932
>I am one of several people in this thread.
No you aren't.

>>12008932
Why the fuck are you so obsessed with some dead mp mod? Your attempts of samefagging are so blatantly obvious that I can't help but suspect you are borderline retarded, every single post you make will make people disregard any OP pic that has megaman just because of you

Yeah as someone who never posts, this MM autist keeps wrecking threads! Not helping their position on a dead mod with the gaslighting and samefagging.

Can we just talk about /doom/? What are you playing anons?

>>12008845
We're not the typical forum you previously referred to and actually have very little to gain from competing with their monopolies other than potentially attracting their worst members. Rallying people you could've only had a passing conversation or collaboration with under some uniting banner is a whole different kind of wild which I may also not understand, but that's just me. Video games are very serious business.

>>12008965
I'm playing Slade.

>>12008965
>Can we just talk about /doom/? What are you playing anons?
Went through original Perdition's Gate again since the spiritual sequel got an RC out and felt like I needed a refresher on it, I think I had more fun than I did with Plutonia.

>>12008970
Fun! Making levels is the best.

Just finished call of the machine, really liked it myself.

>>12008972
Ooh, I've got to check that out again. Played it through a long time ago.

>>12008968
Nta but. We are closest of typical Doom forum of 2000s. Celebrating our own members and their work is not conscious competing, it's our own thing. Attracting people here is ultimately necessary at some point for this place to stay alive, and I rather stay here than migrate. We have always been united under own banner,and that's the (fun) thing about forums. You are free to not understand it, but I ask you to not go actively against it.

>>12008973
Call Of The Void comes out next friday, so good timing.

>>12008985
I think it's worth playing, some of the music is especially neat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-gwcq71nI

>>12008972
I didn't enjoy Perdition's Gate at all, the level design is very monotonous and the gameplay is super underwhelming and easy.
How's the sequel gonna be like?

>>12008965
Playing through KF Mapping Project No. 2. Despite the terrible memes and edgy jokes, it's better than I expected. The Terry map was a shock

>>12008965
I actually haven't played much Doom or doomesque stuff recently outside of fiddling with the Heretic + Hexen release.
Been thinking about making a sort of art project in vanilla Doom tho.
Not a myhouse.wad thing, just an environment.

>>12008965
Not much Doom. Should be playing more Marathon stuff like DDD or Tempest Irae Redux so as to learn from that shit, but it's hard to play examples of the thing you're working with because it inevitably turns to "shouldn't you get back to work?"

>>12008965
I'm playing a boss map submission for Skulltiverse II, I am addicted to this map. I should play more maps for projects I'm not involved with though.

>>12009071
I like what I see, the city night lights, the crane, the vortex around Doomguy's head on the HUD.

>play gameplay mod
>cool mechanic is locked behind the chainsaw/blursphere pickup
Please don't do this, mappers actively avoid using those items

>>12009085
>mappers actively avoid using those items
I don't, I actively disregard feedback telling me I should never use them.

>>12008965
Decided to test Operaton Deadbolt a little more in this random WAD I found called Pagan. It's pretty good, honestly.
>https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=80399

Also gotta play more Mass Disassembly, it's a Murder Drones mod and while I never bothered with that before, it plays so fucking good I want to see what the source material is like.

>captcha: D2TTY

>>12009092
>Mass Disassembly
That one really flew under the radar, I guess cause it looks a bit cheesy but it sure is fun.

>>12008965
Did another playthrough of 2 continuous. I do like the semi-exploratory bits with interesting areas. The Chasm, while being a bit annoying navigation wise, did have some neat bits such as the little industrial zone where you could smack consoles that did things. Monster Condo, Citadel had some cool dressing. City maps even if a bit frustrating at points was alright. The suburbs was kinda fun including the unusual architecture.

>>12009092
>this random WAD I found called Pagan
Dude who made it is pretty fucking prolific too.
https://www.moddb.com/company/shadowman271/mods

>Download latest version of GzDoom
>Sound balancing is terrible, almost muffled
Anyone had this issue before? Everything I find related to it says it's fixed, or the recommended setting changes don't fix it at all.

>>12008169
>It'd also just be feeding the stupid him vs Romero
That's also a good point. Sandy is mature enough to keep his distance.
>>12008231
>Call Of Cthulhu rpg is his greatest achievement.
And that's awesome!

>>12008965
>Can we just talk about /doom/? What are you playing anons?
Will go back to replaying Hexen with 'enhanced' levels on. No significant changes caught my eye so far and I'm in third Hub already. Swapping classes is fun, but I need to figure out how to approach maps in Seminary. Recommendations would be nice. If that helps, all my prior playthrough I only played as Cleric and I'm open to leaning more onto two other classes.

>>12008965
Community Chest 4, with High Noon Drifter and Project Malice monsters to make it less of a slog.

>>12009175
Had a hunch I recognized its style from somewhere, good shit.

>>12009117
Yeah, it's really fun. It's also quite well-designed in general, it really encourages you to not stick with only one weapon.

>>12008489
I'm down. Send them along

>>12009085
I always assumed modders used their rarity as carte blanche to experiment with weird shit knowing that a lack of it wouldn't affect the main arsenal too much

>>12009251
>it really encourages you to not stick with only one weapon.
Kind of the opposite of a Pillowblaster mod where you quickly get to a point where you can pretty much just use one weapon to walk through most wads.

>>12009085
>play gameplay mod
>cool mechanic is locked behind the chainsaw/blursphere pickup
What are some mods that do this?

>>12009294
Not that anon but Term's mods tend to replace blurspheres and chainsaws with something cool.

>>12009294
Final Doomer

>>12009092
>Also gotta play more Mass Disassembly, it's a Murder Drones mod and while I never bothered with that before, it plays so fucking good I want to see what the source material is like.
You should definitely watch Murder Drones then. It's short but probably requires rewatches unless you're super autistic. The mod's pretty good.

>>12008773
NGL every time I come to the topic and see the arguing about the infograph or drama bullshit I just dip, and I'm probably not the only one. It was nice when people were talking about Heretic and Hexen more for a bit because it was at least on topic

>>12009285
Not especially, unless you've got a very specific mapset in mind you're never going to be able to cover everybody's uses of stuff so you usually just get something relatively following the lines of what vanilla does with the items.

From my end I don't buy into the chainsaw/shotgun/blursphere/lightamp/allmap shouldn't be used thing, they've all got their places even if some people obsess over the idea that the chainsaw is a punishment and refuse to pick it up.

>>12007101
based moms with necessities enjoyer

Its Sunday Night Shitshow time again! This time with Byoc and Reverie!

search for "macgu.fun" in doomseeker , also zandronum 3.2.1 is needed

>>12007062 (OP)
I have a problem here.

I want to make a specific altfire state to work when it doesn't have ammo (picrel), but I go into the game and I'm testing in out, it keeps shooting like there was still ammo despite being zero on the counter, here a video of what I'm talking about:
https://files.catbox.moe/aznizy.mp4

I've tried everything that I know, but nothing, so if any zscript coder knows how to fix it...Please

>>12009425
I don't code decorate, but decription says
>Checks the amount of inventorytype items in the actor's inventory. If there are at least amount, the jump is performed. The offset parameter specifies how many frames ahead to jump.

So it seems like you should invert your triggers, and jump for proper sound if there's at least one. But it's also possible that ammo isn't called "clip"? This would make it always fail, presumably.

>>12009425
It's been a very long time since I've fucked with this shit so I may be wrong but I think you got it backwards and have to get it to jump when it's got the ammo to the altfire that actually fires it, and have it otherwise default to the free one.

>>12009424
Is the 150 MB pk3 really necessary?

>>12009425 (me)
Wait, I Found a proper soultion now, but I will say from the get go that I'm using the clip ammotype for now for testing this gun.

>>12009430
>>12009432
Thank you for atleast helping me anons :)

>>12009454
That would be BYOC, so, yes.

I just learned conveyors the other day and had fun putting in some timed conveyor teleporter spawns in my map. However they don't work for flying monsters do they? I think I have to use deep water and current instead, but I can't seem to find the tutorial I need. How do I do timed conveyor teleporters for my Lost Souls?

>>12009470
Put them under fake floor using action 242. I just tested it, it worked like this.

https://files.catbox.moe/zj2rnt.wad

>>12009424
>Byoc
Oh boy

>>12009470
Can you do escalators?

>>12009505
You can scroll things uphill if the height difference is walkable. It gets a little awkward if you try to scroll them off the cliff.

>>12009485
Thanks anon, this helps! I think I can figure it out from here.
>>12009505
Not yet, learning conveyors just the other day was the first thing I've done outside of vanilla mapping skills. It was exciting when I got it right. This should be all I need to finish my map, I just wanted some timed monster spawns without making those pesky sound tubes.

>>12009532
>I just wanted some timed monster spawns without making those pesky sound tubes.
You can also do that by joining sectors with teleport closets in a lot of cases

>>12009517
You know what must be done: create Escalator Land.

>>12009532
Remember that monsters bypass teleport line if the destination is blocked. You should return them.

Which seems a little unrelable on its own, so best if they stand in a single rank. Here's a screenshot from one of my maps, the full-proof scroll closet.

>>12009085
I do this, but I also bundle chainsaws with backpacks.

>>12009085
>>cool mechanic is locked behind the chainsaw/blursphere pickup
This gives me an impish idea: A weapon pack that seems identical to the base weapons, but swaps them out entirely when the blursphere is picked up.

>>12009557
For the duration of the level, the duration of the powerup, or swapping it each time you pick up a blursphere?

>>12009085
>there are people out there who don't like the chainsaw
Unacceptable.

>>12009580
I don't hate it, but it's really only good for saving ammo on pinkies. When playing as a kid I developed a pavlovian response of *hear pinkie activation sound* ---> *whip out chainsaw*

>>12009580
I'll be honest, Anon. I trust the fist more than the chainsaw. I can't tell you how many times it's failed to proc a pain roll and I get chomped/scratched for it.

Hey, conveyor question anon here again. Is there info out there about conveyor speed to get the correct timing? Like say, if I want a monster spawn at 30 seconds after a trigger, then that number should be able to be correlated to a conveyor speed and length right? If that table doesn't exist then it should, it would be a valuable resource.

>>12009602
32 units of line corresponds to 1 map unit of scroll per tic, IIRC. 1 tic is 1/35 of a second. You do the math.

>>12009580
It gets worse than that, a lot don't really know how to use it effectively so they refuse to use it at all.

I've even seen people transfer that to Heretic and refuse to use the gauntlets, which is significantly fucking worse to skip out on.

>>12009609
>You do the math.
I will! Thanks anon, that helps.

>>12008020
Didnt see this till now, but yea
from what I understand thats the proper way to hold the bolt back on the C96 when manually loading
its supposed to be done with casings of the 7.XX variety though i think, but thats a small thing that could be assumed for it to be i think.

>>12008764
Evi 2 d2all is done https://www.youtube.com/live/6CV82BvXslE?feature=shared&t=37611

>>12009580
Some people don't realize that you can keep backing up when using the chainsaw to avoid pinky bites. Still kind of annoying but makes it more reliable. Not anyone's favorite weapon, however.

>>12008545
>In what sense are you maintaining it?

I simply upload the pictures to it and keep an eye open for more, but don't actually create the infographics much like in the same way I've been managing the news archive for almost a decade. Something new or updated gets made for retro games, it gets stapled on, however rare it happens. I used to make a few graphics for Monster Hunter so the amount of work that goes into these thankless efforts is somewhat relatable and especially respected, but that's beside the point. Don't get me wrong, but if there is no consensus and nothing is broken, then nothing is also worth changing, including the link. Some things I used to maintain for a token few generals eventually got replaced in good spirit, and this is obviously not one of them.

Historically speaking, anyone trying to ninja a resource link on /vg/ is more often than not doing out of bad faith or trying to make their 'mark' unless they're modernizing it and is fair game for being considered hostile, it's been no different here. Hell, this year isn't even the first one where it's been hijacked over the same fucking mod and that's not a coincidence. Also, it is ironic that these incidents actually create more disdain for the mod in question than respect by trying to awkwardly hamfist it without warning on several occasions, and the fact that it has gone on for so long is more than enough reason enough not to accept an immediate replacement.

>>12009845
I could feel a loading pause after "what origin" when the newsreel style footage of fans at a convention would've loaded up.

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this but, does anyone know how to play DN3D expansions on buildgdx? Also is there a way to play Alien world order without having to experience the world tour edition? sorry for the inconvenience

>>12009424
GGs and thanks for joining

>>12009290
Yeah, part of why I don't really play his stuff these days. It's boring, and because GZDoom sucks for the majority of slaughterwads you also can't really use his mods in the maps that would benefit the most from them.

>>12009339
I will, just picking the right moment to be sure. Call of the Void comes out soon and I'll be playing that a bunch when it's out.

Got to Pagan's 5th map and yeah, this Shadowman guy has a really nice style. Gameplay hasn't been lacking either, at least in this WAD he really squeezes a lot of use out of few monsters.

>people said simulacrum is good
myoldin and muumi fucking suck, these maps suck
ribbicks wannabees and ribbicks sucks too

>>12009989
ggs

My first experience with this mod. It is two years old and twenty at the same time. The minute more than a handful of us get in a fight, the world loses coherence. All I can see or hear are superweapons, and somehow, the distant voice of the big fucker bug thing who quotes CD-i Zelda.
Weirdly endearing. Plus, the co-op teleport actually rips.

>finally got around playing Heretic for the first time
>beat episode 1, really cool fantasy Doom
>get to episode 2
>slippery ice level pisses me off
>bullshit enemy ambushes every other minute

welp

E4M4 in Quake is one of those maps you're supposed to just wander around until you find the exit. Thanks Sandy

>>12010025
>It's boring, and because GZDoom sucks for the majority of slaughterwads
It's a pity because they have tons of style, but actually playing one is totally brain-dead.
I'd kill for a version of Guncaster where your power ceiling is like 99% lower. I guess that's just Psychic, though.

>>12009964
Why not to just use eduke?

>>12010049
>doesn't like sunlust
>plays sunlust the sequel
>doesn't like it
>acts surprised

>>12010049
just dont play slaughterslop

>>12009580
nuDoom made it useful

>>12008186
>>12007072
2:54 https://files.catbox.moe/z49k8p.lmp

is there some technical limitation that stops people making survival maps with waves?
I don't think I've ever really seen any wads like that, and if they do exist they're usually old or shit anyway
even fewer seem to have companion marines fighting alongside you

>>12010579
Probably because that depends on ZDoom and 90% of currently active mappers prefer Boom/MBF21 or some flavor of vanilla these days. Normally I'd tell you to check out ZDoom Forums because that's where you'd find that sort of thing, but its heyday is long, long gone.

>>12010579
What? There is like 30 wads like that for Skulltag/Zandronum, because Skulltag has it's invasion mode.

>>12010681
Odamex does as well too, so it can't even be said to be limited to those lines of ports.

>>12010685
Yea, Odamex has it's horde mode and then there's Hordamex wad which adds 54 maps to that with shitloads of extra monsters.

>>12010681
There was even that cyberpunk shootdown wad that an Anon made.

https://archive.org/download/best-ever.org_WAD_archive_part_C/cyberpunkshootdown-v3.99.pk3

>>12010705
Cool. Gotta try this out.

I went with a Doom 2 (Doom Format) for my first WAD. Was this a mistake?

>>12008965
Moved on from UDiNO to akeldama. I missed the SSG and the horsehit that is chaingunner/revenant spam

>>12008965
I’m making my first level pack!
It’ll have original music too.

is there a name for this look? I swear I see it all the time, in wads like sunlust, ancient aliens, back to saturn x, simulacrum, eviternity
the bright neons and trims, the fancy skyboxes. whenever I see it I just know I'm in for some hardcore faggotry
I think I'd call it cacowardbait

>>12010925
Vaporwave?

>>12010925
>cacowardbait
Ancient Aliens was absolute kinography, you better not be badmouthing it.

Does Doom music have to be MIDI or can I use a wav file?

>>12010934
Depends on the port, some will take mp3s and oggs and stuff.

>>12010883
Post progress anon

>>12010925
Go back.

>>12009258
Don't say I didn't warn you, I thought it was too nasty.
https://exhentai.org/s/f4efd1d0f0/2246394-37

>>12010852
No, you're doing it right. It's best to start simple before you move on to Boom/MBF21 or UDMF for GZ and friends.
Have fun, Doom mapping is pretty great for chilling.

>>12010925
I've seen the pretentious "neon nihilism" used to describe some of Sunlust's void-neon maps, but in all truth I don't think there's a valid theme name like void, realistic or Egypt maps have.
I guess we can just call it Ribbiks ripoff, even though it pops up before it became popular to use his style.

>>12010119
I think some scaly tried making a rebalanced Guncaster called Guncaster Vindicated, but don't quote me on it. I think you could possibly just use Project Malice and crank the HP values for everything up if you REALLY wanted, but I don't know if that'd help.
Psychic is cool though, we love Psychic in this house.

>>12011053
Where?

>>12011071
>Guncaster Vindicated
I forget if that was the one that tried to integrate Project Brutality with it or if that was something else.

>>12011071
Boom/MBF21 doesn't HAVE to get complex, when 2048 Units Of /vr/ was Boom format, many of us were pretty green and the levels largely did not have much for advanced effects or scripts.
I appreciated Boom just giving me a few of those additional functions you would expect vanilla to have.

>>12007750
Time for you to uninstall all sourceports buddy, since trannies contributed to all of them

>>12010925
Doom in it's original form was quite colorful as well. I'd call you a hardcore contrarian. I do get contrarianism usually since I'm something like that myself. Howerer what you are being contrarian about is fan made, free content, made with talent and love for this game, while not contributing anything of value yourself, which makes you an envious, useless and pathetic little cock sucker. Have a nice day, faggot.

>>12011095
>Doom in it's original form was quite colorful as well.
It's really weird when you get people who somehow remember it almost like it's Doom 3 when you've got bright fucking greens and blues and reds all over the place in increasing amounts.

>the Tall-Vile
>seems typical at first
>except if you're on higher ground
>with each step he takes towards you
>his lower legs grow in length
>he'll reach your height in the same time it took to walk to your position
>meaning those legs extend at basically any rate necessary
>he always reaches you upwards
>steps up to your ledge with a suddenly normal leg as if it wasn't just 50ft long
>if you see him coming from a low angle it looks like he's been airwalking
>but if you have a better look you see what's going on
>he doesn't stop to cast while reaching upwards unless you hit him
>because he wants you to see him coming
Thanks, brain, that was a very necessary dream.

>>12011110
I'd say that Doom was a bit more colorful than Doom 2 a lot of the time, as the sequel leaned a bit too much on brown and tan colors.

>>12010095
Why are people so averse to tedium in games? Just because the medium devolved into endless dopamine spike it doesn't mean that an experience is inferior because certain elements aren't pleasant to interact with.
Abandoning tedium and struggle in favor of streamlining the experience is what caused the AAA slopmachine.
Dated gameplay and artificial difficulty do not exist, for circumventing certain flaws and limitations in a game is still just an expression of the player's skill.
Games that offer perfect mobility and perfect encounters are nothing but stale and hollow experiences because they never seek to challange the player in any meaningful way, but instead treat him like a dog who has learned a new trick and now has to repeat it endlessly until he gets the feeble reward of having "beaten" the game.

>>12011140
chatgpt ahh post

>>12011085
Agreed. I just think it's better to start in vanilla so you can get used to the absolute principles first, like making a fun layout to explore and fight through.
Either way, can't go wrong with good ol' Boom and I keep having to remind myself it's okay to use it right out of the gate.

>>12011084
Having looked at it, that might be it. Looks like it basically shoved the PB monsters into Guncaster and tweaked some values to make them a bit less popcorn.

>>12011152
No, I just riffed on music critics because I wanted to sound like a smug asshole but I do unironically think what I said, I just wanted to make it sound like I know wtf I'm talking about

>>12010940
It's my first map so I spent most of Sunday learning how to us UDB and get a decent outdoor area. It'll have a custom sky once it's finished.

>>12011181
>>12011186
(me)
What's the best way to share music?
I don't know if posting a soundcloud link would be considered advertising.
Is there any interest in level music?

>>12011140
I can sort of see your angle, but I don't fully agree on all points. Some streamlining can be good, and some tedium can be sacrificed for a better flow.

Tedium of course has some subjectivity to it, and streamlining is sometimes used as a cover word for simply dumbing something down.

>>12011181
>>12011186
Looks solid, newbie. Custom sky and music is always a helpful touch which is easy to apply, but I think that it's the most necessary for Doom 2, because that brown sky and D_RUNNIN gets old crazy quick if you go through random myfirstwads. Looks like you're using Plutonia as your iwad.

>>12011197
If you wanted to just share music files, then catbox is good.

>>12011209
Thanks! Here's the planned track. Not sure if it'll be for this level or not, but I will be using it.
https://files.catbox.moe/9r8tiv.wav

>>12009045
>terrible memes
explain

>>12011140
You know, I perfectly understand what you're saying and the relevance of your point. AAA slop aside:

My problem is that the tedium feels needless at times, in Heretic. When you're playing a fantasy game and you attack a small flying enemy with tiny limbs with a magic crossbow that fires multiple magic green bolts at the same time, and that tiny flying enemy doesn't fucking die... It just seems unnecessary. It's not that I don't get adding difficulty to combat encounters, but bloating enemy HP and reducing weapon damage is the cheapest form of that.

Doom adjacent games should at least be the exception of that rule. Heretic, for all that I like about the visual presentation, is a frankly annoying game. Not annoying because of the difficulty, but because the difficulty is bestowed upon the player in a way that almost seeks to waste more time than actually give you varied chances to take damage. Being at risk of taking hits is not the issue. The issue is that the enemies are too beefy, to the point where the basic flow of combat feels like you're going over speedbumps in a crowded parking lot. Trying to psy-op people into believing gameplay like that is fun, is retarded.

Quake 1 had beefy enemies. You know what that game has, though? Jumping, air control, and instant weapon switch. That makes weapon combos fun. Fire two grenades at an Ogre on approach, then switch to axe or single shotgun, bait chainsaw attack, and finish the Ogre. That's fun, engaging, just as difficult if not more, and takes a certain amount of skill/thought to learn.

Heretic forces you to fight similarly beefy enemies in greater numbers, while moving slower, and while using weapons that switch, fire, and kill slower.

I wish I could call that fun, but it typically isn't. Playing Heretic and Hexen with High Noon Drifter fixes those games.

>>12011223
Not that anon but it's basically solid /pol/ edgelord shit, it gets dull pretty quickly.

>>12011229
To further my line of thinking here:

Quake 2 also has annoyingly slow weapon switch time and inflated enemy HP. The difference is that you can strafejump in Q2, which means you can choose how to approach combat in terms of where your character is positioned, a lot more carefully and quickly, on the fly. You can jump around enemies in a way that baits their attacks and then account for the weapon switch time to set up more unique combos that kill slightly faster, and it takes a higher degree of skill than simply "choosing what's best for the job." You can still use weapon combos in Quake 2, it's significantly harder to do than in Quake 1, but it's possible. A lot of Quake 2's difficulty can be attributed to people not having played much of the multiplayer. The way you can use grenades to chain together a higher amount of damage, using enemy AI against them to bait certain attacks/movement, and generally being able to move much, much faster than all enemies makes the combat less of a rock-paper-scissors situation than the game can seem on people's first playthroughs. Heretic, on the other hand, absolutely is that rock-paper-scissors type of game, but it's worse than Doom in every way possible.

>>12011186
To improve the look of outdoor areas, you want to draw smaller sectors in front of the areas that change textures, and then you pull them upwards. Do this multiple times until you have something that looks like this.

It's just a bunch of clicking and mousewheeling, basically.

>>12011248
That does look a lot more natural, thanks

>>12011246
>To further my line of thinking here:
>Quake 2 also has annoyingly slow weapon switch time and inflated enemy HP.
You immediately lost me. The switch speed isn't that far from being as "annoying" as classic Doom's switchspeed, and it has a similar spread of enemy healthpools.
>weapon combos
Don't really exist in either Quake 1 or 2, at least not in a way that helps with killtimes: It would be things like switching to the double barrel shotgun after you lobbed some grenades because you're in melee range now.

>>12011119
Holy fucking shit. I love it so much it's unreal. Please lend me your brain.

>>12007076
>maps made feel hard

Kinky.

>>12011229
You might like Descent Into Heresy then.

>>12011181
>>12011186
SOVL

>>12011257
That was literally exactly the example I gave regarding Quake 1. Quake 1 also let you combo nailguns and lightning gun in various fights, using single shotgun to finish off enemies at mid range. It also helps manage ammo count and keep from completely running out of anything. It's not purely for kill time, but weapon combos are more fun to pull off than just firing with one weapon, IMHO it adds to the feeling of freedom and player expression in combat, adds to the power fantasy that Ranger can inexplicably throw 8-10 nails at a fiend while it's jumping at him, strafe to the side to avoid getting pounced on, and then pull up with buckshot. That's at least more dynamic, you know? It's not the same old hold-or-tap M1 until thing dies, [insert cyberdemon meme] it's got more flavor.

>>12011254
Don't forget adding some trees or other props up on those rocks, silhouettes always look nice.

>>12011275
>That was literally exactly the example I gave regarding Quake 1.
>>Fire two grenades at an Ogre on approach, then switch to axe or single shotgun, bait chainsaw attack, and finish the Ogre
Except he'll die in two grenades, leading to me questioning the experience behind your posts.

My god, people! My mom just let me drink cola! How cool is that? Now I'm playing Doom and drinking cola! YIPPEEEEE!

>>12011482
My dad lets me play 20 minutes of a heavily abridged version of doom.wad every week if my testicles don't weigh too low

>>12008625
>the fireblu is not real, he can't hurt you

>>12010925
cacowardbait made me kek

>>12011629
kek

>>12011229
>Heretic forces you to fight similarly beefy enemies in greater numbers, while moving slower, and while using weapons that switch, fire, and kill slower.
Use items, you fucking twat.

>>12011669
I have barely touched Heretic ever, but it does give you a bunch of powerups and items to put to use, does it not?

Quake gives you a Quad Damage, so haul ass and blast as many monsters as you can before it runs out, even the otherwise modest SSG you have in Quake becomes a beast when you amp it up to 4x the damage.
Heretic is supposed to give you Tomes Of Power, which soup up all your weapons for a time, and I wonder if anon has been putting those to use at all?

>>12010496
>>12007072
2:27 https://files.catbox.moe/wbdvfl.lmp

>>12007072
Can you not pick a worse map to UV-Fast? Also anon, (You) said (You)'ll pick easier/medium difficulty maps instead of this UV-Fast shit on the first levels of a wad which there are custom monsters who shoot more and faster by default. Previous stuff was nice and in the last months the most attempted map was a difficult one inspired by Scythe II. Picking from map 10-20 of a 32 map wad is much better than having to deal with faster monsters as if every anon casually plays nightmare without the double ammo and monster respawning.

>>12011795
>>12007072
2:21 https://files.catbox.moe/xsj7mp.lmp

>>12011860
There are like 3 anons making challenges, most of them haven't agreed to pick easier maps. I think it's a good practice, but there's always gonna be a few people who think any given map is too hard, or have other complaints. Map 3 is like the shortest and easiest map in the set, so it's fine by me, and I'll try and pwn the other times posted later.

>>12011860
I am a bit apprehensive to do a Valiant map on UV-fast again, just because Valiant's already roided Pinkies are fucking torture on fast, but I think I'll still give this challenge a go in a bit.

>>12011186
Looks comfy
Would hang here

Any tips for getting this guy to stand and shoot?
He keeps bouncing off the wall and rarely shoots at the player.
Floor is 144 units off the ground, 64x64 units wide.

>>12011986
Give him a pillar instead of a closet so he has line of sight to the player more often.

>>12011986
If a monster runs into a wall their attack-timer resets to a random value, so if you put a monster on a small surface they'll only rarely attack. Making the floor-area larger should fix it.

>>12011986
My advice? Ditch the block idea if you can, it looks bad to put it bluntly. Make a proper platform or hill you can put the Revenant on and decorate it