Thread 12015409

DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>12007062

Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etc
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other 90s FPS welcome
~ Let's post like gentlemen ~

FAQ/GENERAL GUIDE
https://rentry.org/vrbin

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz

Same thing, in video format:
https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXA
https://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQ
https://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0

== GAMES/RESOURCES ==
DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8
QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhU

PortaDOOM:
https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
HALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:
https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg
4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:
https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqA

Assorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA

MIDI COLLECTIONS
https://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.zip
https://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQ
https://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009
https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z

== INFO/LINKS ==
OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
https://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/

MODDING RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37
https://realm667.com/

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==
THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/

OUR WADS/MODS
https://rentry.org/vrdepot

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrB

IMAGE/WAD DATABASE
https://vrdoom.booru.org/
https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/

MULTIPLAYER SERVERS
US West: https://clovr.xyz/
CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
Duke It Out in /vr/
Game : DN3D | Deadline : Jan 1st 2026
Tile/Con pack: https://files.catbox.moe/thm4q7.zip
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11835634

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
RC3: https://files.catbox.moe/aoucg0.7z

=== NEWS ===
[9-10] Official DBP WADs repository
https://archive.org/details/dbp-wad-archive

[9-07] Perdition's Gate: Resurgence, released
https://doomworld.com/idgames/?id=21753

[9-03] Operation Deadbolt released
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/155013

[9-02] Ashes 2063, GMDX and RealRTCW, available on GOG Mods platform

[9-01] TNT2: Devilution RC1 gains MAP26 + 3 more
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882

[8-30] Helion Engine v0.9.8.0 update
https://github.com/Helion-Engine/Helion/releases/latest

[8-27] Herexen, vanilla crossover mod for Doom
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154886

[8-23] Eternity Engine v4.05.03 Citadel update
https://github.com/team-eternity/eternity/releases/latest

[8-18] Outlaws remaster announced
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3366780

[8-18] RMG City, an MBF21 single map
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4105

[8-17] Eventide, an episode for Doom II
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4104

[8-17] Source code for PowerSlave Saturn is open free
https://github.com/Lobotomy-Software/SlaveDriver-Engine

[8-16] Chocolate Doom v3.1.1 released
https://github.com/chocolate-doom/chocolate-doom/releases/latest

[8-15] We Have Doom at Home came out
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154723

[8-14] Quake 2+2 Jam announced for Quake IV 20th anniversary
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11948657

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [MM-DD] date bracket)

inb4 mega-fag complains about the infograph again

Janny applications are open again. If you're sick of the occasionally sorry state of the thread, and the board as a whole, consider applying and doing your part. It's a thankless job in general, but I sure as hell appreciate bottom of the barrel shitposting and non-retro games being kept off the damn board.

Don't be stupid and use your regular e-mail with your actual name on it though, there's good free e-mail services.

>>12015412
I updated the tile/con pack with the tile sorting config file from the following link.
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/12816-my-custom-tilescfg-for-mapster32-duke-nukem-3d/

>>12015435
I believe it was decided that someone is making a new one from scratch, megaman mod included. Hopefully I won't piss off anyone again.

>>12015412
>RC3: https://files.catbox.moe/aoucg0.7z
Not yet another car incident again...

>>12015481
I think the guy has just been really busy? I'm pretty sure he's alive.

>>12015481
Ok, you know what, you shamed me out of my procrastination, I will post it right now. I just need to fix a slime trail I just discovered while making screenshots.

It really shouldn't have been that hard, I just kept setting myself specific dates to work on release and kept missing them.

>>12015513
Glad you're all well anon. Someone will need to upload it to idgames and make a forum thread afterwards.

Are the sent map updates included? I think there was three in total, plus pdf file.

>>12015525
Yes, hopefully, I incorporated all the updates posted here. I will post a forum thread first, take it to idgames in a few days just to make sure nothing went wrong.

>>12015529
I also hoped that MAP08 author would remove this juvenile thing, but I guess it stays

>>12015412
>>12015481
I have finally defeated the procrastination demon and posted it on Doomworld. As I said, I'll put it on idgames in a week or so unless any problems come up.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155093-boom-umapinfo-vertex-relocation-community-project-by-vr-where-maps-retain-original-doom-2-monster-placement/

>>12015513
I know exactly what it's like, no judgment.

>>12015546
Congratulations on crossing the finish line, anons.
I found this cake to celebrate.

Duke has by far the most entertaining voice and personality - that unbridled, dopey confidence - of FPS protags, but man do I turn off the game every time I get to the spaceship. I've never made it past there. Plus Blood has dynamite and Shadow Warrior has a sword and fists.

>>12015698
I dunno, I find Lo Wang to be charming too. I think out of the big Build trio, Lo Wang is having the most fun.

>>12015707
Lo Wang for sure is enjoying himself the most, but it's that dopey, sure-of-himself confidence that makes Duke so fucking funny. I'm ear to ear grinning whenever I hear
>Damn I'm good

does anyone have a halloween challenge they want to post? i was going to post one but i changed the map at the last minute and i dont want to post a sloppy demo if someone else already has one planned

>>12015752
Might as well go for it, autumn has just begun and we have plenty of time, we can have many Halloween themed challenges.

>>12015752
>>12015757
Ad Mortem - Tears From God - Any%

>>12015780
That's kind of a big map, isn't it? I also remember it kicking my ass six ways from Sunday.

>>12015784
4u

>>12015513
>>12015546
Procrastinate forever.

>>12015795
I think I'll try this.

>>12015409 (OP) CLASSIC DOOM CHALLENGE

Game: Doom2
WAD: Preacher
MAP06: Noir
Author: Darch
Year: 2018
Category: UV-Speed

>Every time I sing, I sing for the Lord!
>Glory! Glory! Glory!
>Amen!
Let us revisit PREACHER MAP06 for Halloween! Lots of secrets so let's not worry about 100%

Respond to this post with your time and a demo. Example: 10:17 https://files.catbox.moe/s9ubvc.lmp
Records + wad download: https://dsdarchive.com/wads/preacher
>UV-Max in 9:20 by Shepardus https://youtu.be/cGpqjf31Pkc
Previous winner: Valiant map03 UV-Fast in 1:45 >>12014753

My apologies for the length of the example demo; the map isn't *that* long. I changed the challenge map at the last minute because my previous choice (map05) wasn't Halloweeny enough, and now I'm out of time to grind a decent demo. I didn't even remember the BFG secret. If you want to watch someone beat the map just watch the record. I will come back with a proper demo later in the thread.

Good luck and have fun!

>>12015860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d33jbSUPH6M

I finished doom 64 yesterday. I just want so say it's an amazing game.

>>12015879
>Gianni
Uh oh, /vr/ isn't gonna like that

>>12015884
It's fucking awesome.

>>12015885
>being pre-emptively thinskinned just in case
Faggot.

Are you guys still butthurt that KF made a decent Doom wad?

Any ideas on what to do with this arena?
I have a tighter cave system with a lot of ambushes and want to contrast it with an outdoors wing.
Maybe I could just rip off perfect hatred/ancient aliens and include a stationary cyber demon that you telefrag?

>>12015963
While would we be? It's still nowhere near the quality of 2048 units, hffm or Ad Mortem. I liked the intro map and comedy, but just too many meh maps that might as well be oblige generated. Not really anything wrong with the wad, but acting like it's incredible is just loving your own work way too much.

>>12015970
Make a bunch of collapsing hills that go down when the player walks over lines, so more and more stuff starts trying to kill you. Obviously the first monsters must be high threat, otherwise the player has no reason to accidentally step over more lines.

>>12015963
Pretty sure the initial reception here was pretty mixed?

>>12015963
Can't be butthurt if you're too busy making shit.

>>12015546
Holy shit, it happened! Congrats anons, will check it out soon.

>>12015970
Add some ruined buildings for cover, I'd say. Can even add some goodies inside.

I forgot about Quake Injector. Now I have a reason to play Quake again.

>>12015963
>Are you guys still butthurt
What?
>KF made a decent Doom wad
It has a couple of excelent maps and some decent maps, others are unremarkable - not the greatest achievement ever. Additionally, very specific in-jokes lower its value for an outsider not familiar with the KF culture. It's a bit ironic how people who say that adding politics in Doom is retarded and hate Troonworld for inserting the LGBTQ+ agenda into Doom wads insert the /pol/ agenda into their own Doom project.

>>12015970
Add some platforming rocks you need to climb up to grab a key/weapon/powerup which triggers a big fight. I'd stick a rock in the middle and have rocks surrounding it the player can use to reach the item.

>>12015435
At this point I suspect he fits into pic related.

>>12016145
>What?

NTA but I get the impression since one person posted pretty early in its relevant thread screencapped /vr/ and wasn't overly happy about initial reactions here, just sometime before the 4chan hack. Seeing that he later considered that 'divine retribution', I guess there's a forced rivalry now or some gay shit?

>>12016240
He's probably the same autismo-maximus that lurks in KF and gets irrationally angry over everything here. Probably the same guy that's on a righteous crusade against the jannies.
We would be better off without him, he should go shit up the handheld general.

>>12016260
>He's probably the same autismo-maximus that lurks in KF and gets irrationally angry over everything here.
That's many people in that site's Doom threads.

>>12016291
They all need something better to do then.

>>12016294
Playing Doom.

>>12015830
I hate the pentagram! I'm not into super precise setups

>>12016367
Mb i'll save someone some time

>>12015830
>>12016496
proof of concept:
1:14 https://files.catbox.moe/vn1pl9.lmp

What’s the best way to share single level WADs? I want some feedback before the whole level pack is finished.

>>12016367
>>12016496
DELET THIS

>>12016367
>>12016496
>>12016564
DELET THIS

>>12016625
we mostly use catbox.moe for files
I've seen someone also use https://doomshack.org/uploads
Also please specify the complevel

>>12016717
>consider half-life finished
>infographic getting retarded
>straight jannies
>fag names
>alright name

>>12015409 (OP)
I remember making this in 2017 for a random anon, was a nice surprise seeing it posted again as the OP. They wanted the text removed from a magazine cover and originally it yielded pic related - though it looked a bit crap so I made that new version with the modern chainsaw.

>>12016702
Thanks. How can I determine the complevel?
I’m using the Doom 2 format.

>>12015437
Please let us continue posting in peace without some faggot enforcing his autism by mass deletion and mass bans

>>12015827
The orb is supository.

>>12016792
Did you use boom linedef spacials? If yes then boom, otherwise probably vanilla

>>12016836
If you're not sure about just run the map in your port with -cl 2 and see if everything works

>>12016820
>that Ghosts thread that lasted for a day
>that AEW thread that lasted for a few days
>all while random mass deletions are still happening like a lot of the discussion in the Blizzard thread
No peace here. My biggest pipedream is a stronger stance regarding games up to 2007.

>>12016841
damn good thing I don't leave this general. There's still occasional bullshit banning but day and night compared to months ago. Really hope new jans are not gonna take us back to the same level of abuse

>>12015435
For me personally I don't care enough to keep arguing with the "it's only ever one guy" narrative and with the new infographic guy essentially blackmailing people into accepting this agenda - I'd rather just stop trying to prove some crazies wrong, cause if he ends up scrapping megaman from the pic I know for a fact this will never end.
So feel free to spam about how I'm "durr totally transparent lmao", I'm not gonna engage anymore.
I also suspect the other mm guy got banned so there's that.

>>12016625
I use MediaFire.
It's the only company I've contacted directly and got a real human who actually had the power to personally help with an account issue instead of kicking the can down the road.
I don't even pay for my account, top notch customer service.
Though they did block my "Doom 1 and 2 Collection" iso mistakenly, assuming it was pirated copies of the game, when really its a shovelware wad compilation.

>>12016702
>Also please specify the complevel
Two hours have passed and there is no map in sight. We really could've gotten it out of the way already with just some basic testing. I don't think anon has employed any port-dependent intrinsic tricks and quirks for us to be pedantic.

>>12016791
So that's why it's "glossy", and news pic is a piece of mag too
Good service with the editing anon

>>12016928
It’s not finished yet, I just wanted to ask about the preferred sharing methods.

>>12016826
You can't be sticking him up there, bro.

>>12015698
>>12015707
They all have off the charts level of charm but I'm throwing my wide-brimmed hat in for Caleb.
He's got the slickest voice for his lines (the "groovy" from Evil Dead fits almost perfectly), the classic movie throwbacks fit the setting, and cackling like a madman after throwing some dynamite makes using them even more satisfying.

I didn't like playing through Blast Pit when I was a kid, and I sure as hell don't like it now. Such a tedious slog compared to the previous chapters. : /

>>12017024
My least favorite moment is always the start leading up to the beginning of Unforeseen Consequences. I always skip it on a replay.

>>12017040
>I always skip it on a replay.
I'd always skip straight to the beginning of Unforeseen Consequences, yeah. (Though I didn't on this playthrough since this is my first time playing the game in quite a while.) It's a great intro setting up the game for first-timers, but after sitting through it so many times I just want to get a move on and play the damn game.

Anybody wants to play Chex Quest in coop on chocolate doom?

>>12017095
Sure anon. Give me some time, I'll download latest choco (ver 3.1.1) and configure settings.

nominating vile flesh for the SNS rotation if it's not already in there

>>12016305
ew, no way fag

>>12017198
>I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MAN

>>12017185
Oh sorry, was AFK

chocolate-doom -iwad chex.wad -deh chex.deh -connect 70.34.242.185 -skill 4

Here's the command. You have both the iwad and dehacked, right?

>>12015970
Rocks flatten to reveal it's actually a giant pool table, 15 cacodemons in triangle formation ambush the player, there are rockets avaliable

>>12015970
>>12016625
you same anon

>>12017285
Throw in some sort of corpse detection with conveyors and archviles for an unmarked super secret if you sink one in each pocket.

>>12017279
I've got player 2 left the game

>>12016820
Every single ban you got was justified, megashitter.

>>12017295
I crashed

>>12017304
let's do

chocolate-doom -iwad chex.wad -deh chex.deh -connect 70.34.242.185 -skill 4 -extratics 3 -warp 1 2

>>12017305
fuck idk why it crashes at the end of the level

>>12017302
Consider applying. Like, for real.

>>12017285
That do sounds fun, actually.

It's time for Wednesday Night Wipeout!
Come play some SRB2Kart!
WE ARE STILL ON NEPTUNE 2.4.3 THIS WEEK!

How to join (The short and easy way):
Download the All-in-one repack: https://mega.nz/file/JrsETLaJ#Ny7E1Uu7ftp-2Yojpdj04Rc5xucKgV1V6H2DPboPzLA
Extract it to its own folder (NOT the desktop or program files)
Run "SRB2Kart-Neptune (Connect to vrkart).bat" and wait for any missing files to download in-game
DO NOT run "srb2kart.exe" and expect to be able to join the server.
If you don't have a 64-bit machine/OS for whatever reason: Copy the contents of the 32-bit folder into the main folder

How to join (The longer and harder way):
Download version 1.6 of the game: https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/download/v1.6/srb2kart-v16-Installer.exe
Get the custom client we use: https://codeberg.org/NepDisk/srb2k-neptune/releases/tag/Neptune2.4.3
Get the mods either automatically in-game or at: https://macgu.fun/repo/srb2kart/
Connect to macgu.fun (either use connect in console or "specify ipv4 address" under Multiplayer)

>I HAVE TO BITCH FAST AND TEXT CHAT TOO SLOW
We also have a Mumble server!
Address: 51.161.34.159
Port: default
Password: endoom

>I heard this game supports proximity chat, are we using that?
No.

Pro tips: https://pastebin.com/YV6biqxq
(This is out of date and written for a different server, but it still has a lot of useful information.)

WE WILL BE UPDATING TO 2.5.X NEXT WEEK

>>12017316
nah later levels don't have coop spawns
wanna play smth else mb? doom?

>>12017325
Maybe chex 2/3 has multiplayer spawns? let's try it

>>12017330
Ok, let's try this one
https://dsdarchive.com/wads/chex3v_1_0

chocolate-doom -iwad chex3v.wad -connect 70.34.242.185 -skill 4 -extratics 3

>>12017302
I don't remember ever getting banned on this board but I have seen other people get banned: https://imgur.com/a/so-youre-sick-of-jannys-autism-XCUcFaK

btw if the next janny is as bad or worse - I'm sure whoever maintains this link will update it and eventually mods will get rid of the new janny just like they did with the old one

>>12017334
chocolate-doom -iwad chex3v.wad -deh chex3.deh -gameversion chex -skill 4 -extratics 3 -connect 70.34.242.185

>>12017320
> Consider applying. Like, for real.
He's obviously a biased piece of shit who wouldn't enforce the rules objectively but rather be a petty vindictive asshole
Don't need this in our community

>>12017347
it autoloads chex.deh
chocolate-doom -iwad chex3v.wad -deh chex3.deh -skill 4 -extratics 3 -connect 70.34.242.185
let's try without gameversion

>>12017353
everything is broken, I give up, sorry :(

>>12017320
It's not like I don't have the time, but I really don't want to make a new email I'm only going to use for that, and I'd really rather spend it on playing vidya.

>>12017351
You don't need it, but most people here would appreciate the silence.

>>12017346
>>12017351
Be less obvious.

>>12017353
It seems weird, I can see you on the intro but not on the first level. Also don't mind the other anon, I keep joining.

>>12017351
I would love for all of this Megaman shit to go away.

>>12017362
He's unable to. He thinks he's slick.

>>12017363
https://dsdarchive.com/wads/epic2

chocolate-doom -merge epic2.wad -connect 70.34.242.185 -skill 4 -extratics 3

-merge is important, not -file

>>12017378
dude i said -merge not -file otherwise this skeleton crashes you

>>12017387
wad folder is fucky, i do add the -merge

>>12017394
i do get the wad warning tho, so mb our doom2 iwads are different?
I doubt it, but mb you can send me yours via catbox?

>>12017403
and check the skeleton in singleplayer, it must work

Why don't you two dummies just use Zandronum.

>>12017403
mb i didnt do the choc.cfg. i use doomrunner

>>12017406
SOULLESS

>>12017409
your final launch command looks wrong, does it have -file before first instance of epic2.wad?

just launch from cmd
>chocolate-doom -merge epic2.wad -connect 70.34.242.185 -skill 4 -extratics 3

>>12017412
Silly. The soul comes from playing Doom with someone else who enjoys Doom. But good luck nonetheless.

>>12017414
oh and mb you have either crispy,woof or nugget
you don't have to deal with vanilla bullshit there

>>12017286
Yes. Hello!

>>12015830
>UV-Pacifist in 1:00
I recorded this demo about 4 years, 2 months and 10 days ago, maybe you remember. Makes me feel fuckin' old. At the time I didn't realize the "random" teleporters can be manipulated.
https://files.catbox.moe/fm7sci.lmp

>>12016625
I'll vouch for Catbox, it's good for quickly uploading and sharing small files like these. I tend to use it when uploading demos for the challenge runs, for instance.

GGs anon, I hope you enjoyed the wad

>>12017474
good run
and death exit, oh my!

>>12015546
>Credit listing:
>"guywithteacup' 6 entires found
Bruh wtf did I missed

>>12017540
gg, thanks for the fun fren
>t. mokoguro

>>12017540
>>12017554
forgot pic

playing duke xtreme and this is definitely a pile of shit. the levels are poorly designed and have too many of these snake things. it is kind of fun tho

>>12017670
Oh and I just beat all three episodes of duke zone 2. It was fun more duke. The last episode ended kinda shitty as all three bosses were defeated from the starting area with no need to go engage them in the big boss room. It was more duke maybe not in the best way but at least it was three episodes of 7 levels each. I had fun overall. Except some levels were poorly designed. One level had trash cans that if you destroyed you couldnt progress. Which is kinda shitty. But some fun ones too. Like the roof top level

>>12017324
GGs

>>12017324
ggs

Don't know about you, but the DSOOF noise in Freedoom is pure sex.

>>12015539
nice space ship

>>12015970
two goals and a ball(caco)?

Something I just thought of, was there an FPS before Dark Forces that had alternate firing modes for weapons?

>>12017670
What some people miss out in Duke Extreme is that rpg, devastator and freeze thrower have alt fire modes. Hold use key while firing and see what happens.

Also another funny thing in Duke Extreme is how much enemies shit themselves when damaged. Lot of enemies and you have blood and shit everywhere. Peak expansion.

>>12017903
Heretic, if you want to count the Tome Of Power. Arguably ROTT, in that you can use the Excalibat to just melee swing at fuckers and send them flying high up into the air, if you don't charge up the magic in it.

Actually, doesn't Marathon have an assault rifle with an underbarrel grenade launcher you can use? That's an early alt-fire function then.

>>12017910
You can't just say that and not post a video or something.

>>12017915
The expansion is free because it's abandonware. Just try it out with eduke.

>>12017357
What I understood glancing at the leaks back then, they don't tend to do all that much communication with e-mail, and rather it's just for verification, you would probably barely need to look at it ever.

Do what thou wilt.

>>12017552
He contributed a bunch of levels I think.

>>12017913
ROTT and Marathon came out I think the same week, it not even the same day, and both did a number of very innovative things which would later become famous in future games like Quake and Half-Life.

>>12017913
>doesn't Marathon have an assault rifle with an underbarrel grenade launcher you can use?
Yep. It also had a fusion pistol whose alt-fire will charge up a shot, and you could dual-wield the normal pistol. The sequel also allowed you to dual-wield lever-action sawed-off double-barrel shotguns.

>Project Brutality
>Doom 2
>Royal Rumble 1990 in the background
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp4e5QmMVuo
Wednesday night mother ffffffffffucker.

>>12015437
I browse this board enough, I think I could be a pretty good janny with minimal added effort, and getting a new email is trivial, however
>Janitors should be present in the Discord channel whenever they are performing janitor tasks
There's no way I'm doing that.

>>12017931
>do what thou will
Vaeros, is that you? I know you're not Crowley or Griffith.

>>12017910
okay i will for sure

>>12017959
>There's no way I'm doing that.
I don't think that means some kind of active participation and socialization, rather that they want you to be readily available whenever you're doing janny action, ergo have a tab or program open in the background.

Probably in case they have to tell someone "Stop, you idiot." or in case something happens which they want people to look out for.

>>12017913
If Heretic's Tome of Power counts, consider that Pathways into Darkness had alternate ammo types.

>>12017995
I'd say that it counts.

>>12017959
>Ponos A into Vagoo B
>????
>JAM IT IN

Did any single person here play Yahtzee's Duke Nukum 3D mod?

>>12018134
I recall watching his old stream playing it. By his own words, it's kind of an old (and unfinished) piece of shit and he was mostly embarrassed by a lot of the older works he showed off.

Infograph guy here, who promised make the actual real well made update for the infograph last weekend.
Source port info will be updated to include woof/nugget/dsda
And here's what wads I'm planning to include for wads, but I'm open for suggestions since I may have forgotten some essential ones. The purpose is not remove any wads from infograph, but I'm rearranging things a bit. No screens yet, planning all texts and stuff first, taking screens for the wads etc.

Official Expansions:
-TNT
-Plutonia
-No Rest For The Living
-Sigil
-Sigil II
-Legacy Of Rust

2000s mapsets:
-Alien Vendetta
-Community Chest Quadtrilogy
-Epic 1/2
-Equinox
-Hell Ground
-Kama Sutra
-Plutonia 2
-Revolution!
-Scythe 1/2/X
-Suspended In Dusk
-Demons Of Problematique 1/2
-Hellcore 2.0
-Impossible A New Reality
-Legacy Of Suffering
-Thunderpeak
-UTNT

2010s mapsets:
-Dtwid series
-Going Down
-Valiant
-BTSX 1/2
-1994 Tune-Up Project
-Jenesis
-Speed Of Doom
-Resurgence
-JPCP
-Ancient Aliens
-UAC Ultra
-Eviternity
-Bloodstain
-Hellbound
-Mutiny
-TNT Revilution
-Avactor
-Struggle: Antaresian Legacy
-Dimension Of The Boomed
-Doom Zero
-Lost Civilization
-Cyb's Freaky Colonoscopy
-Beyond Reality
-Unloved

2020s mapsets:
-Auger Zenith
-Emerald City
-Zeppelin Armada
-Outposts Of The Wasteland
-Forgotten Psychedelics
-Akeldama
-Ozonia
-Overboard
-TNT2 Devilution
-Eviternity 2
-30 Years With Doom
-Astral Globetrot
-Frozen Heart
-Into Sandy's City
-Necromantic Thirst
-Realm Of Chaos 2
-Road To Hades
-Hellevator
-Skulltiverse
-Solar Struggle
-What Lies Beneath
-Rusty Drill
-Elementalism
-Heartland

Cont...

>>12018109
>>12017959

>>12018152
/vr/'s Community Projects:
-100 Minutes of /vr/
-200 Minutes of /vr/
-300 Minutes of /vr/
-400 Minutes of /vr/
-2048 Units of /vr/
-512 Linedefs of /vr/
-hffm
-Unrattled
-Ad Mortem
-Fore/vr/ Alone
-Fraggot
-Mondo Project
-/vertex relocation/
-94 Protons Of /vr/

Author's Corner (/vr/'s guys' Mapsets/TCs):
(If I've forgotten anyone's stuff just reply, so I'll add them)
-Actinia
-Chainworm Kommando 1/2
-Delirium
-Disjuntion
-//DOOMED;PROXY
-Eraser
-Escape From Sunveil Starport
-Golden Souls 1/2
-Hell Frontier
-Hopscotch
-Jaded
-Machete
-Malevolence
-Pirate Doom 1/2
-Preacher
-REKKR
-Rise Of The Triangles
-Running Late 1/2
-Simon's Destiny
-Temporal Tantrum
-Terror Signal
-The 10x10 Project
-Uprising
-Zero Brightness

Author's Corner (/vr/'s guys' Gameplay Mods):
(If I've forgotten anyone's stuff just reply, so I'll add them)
-Babel
-Bring Your Own Class
-BURL TUMD
-Colourful Hell
-Combined_Arms
-DAKKA
-Deathstrider
-Demonsteele
-Final Doomer
-Fractal Doom
-GMOTA
-HDoom
-High Noon Drifter
-I Can't Believe It's Not Vanilla
-IMPatience
-La Tailor Girl
-Lelweps
-'R'adys Clas
-Rampancy
-Samsara
-Treasure Tech

>>12018152
Good selection I like it

>>12018152
>>12018154
GAMEPLAY MODS:
-same + brutal doom
-open for suggestions since I'm not much of gameplay mod guy myself

MULTIPLAYER MAPS:
-same
-open for suggestions since I'm not much of multiplayer guy myself

MULTIPLAYER GAMEPLAY:
-same
-open for suggestions since I'm not much of multiplayer guy myself

HISTORICALLY NOTABLE SHIT:
-same unless you got suggestions

TOTAL CONVERSIONS:
-Same
and these added:
-Blade Of Agony Trilogy
-Aliens Eradication
-Nerves Of Steel
-Project Einherjar
-Midgard Outlaw
-Dynamite Dutchess Trilogy
-Operation Body Count
-Splatterhouse 3D
-Ashes Series
-Batman Doom
-Megaman
-Venturous

DOOM64 Section with source port info and wads
-Beta 64
-Doom 64 Ascension
-The Unmaking
-Etheral Breakdown
-Dreamblood
-Elegant Agony
-Lunar Revelations
-Voices Of The Nether
-Echoes Of Damnation

>>12017959
No, I'm not any of those people. Really, who I am is not important.

>>12018154
I love Treasure Tech, but I would not call Ultra64 one of the /vr/ boys, he has never posted here.

>>12018154
Demonsteele guy is definitely not a /vr/ lad.

>>12018159
Oh, I copied it from the pastebin link.

>>12016717
>question nobody
>anyway romero learn
And this is kinda harsh critique of Wolf 3d:
>wall autist

>>12018160
It's under 4chan's mods on v8 infograph.

>>12018160
Term? He used to be. He certainly was when he made Demonsteele. I mean fuck I'm pretty certain he was the one that made infographic back in the day.
I don't blame him for walking away.

>>12016970
This thumbnail looks like the legs of someone who hanged himself.

>>12018168
Lol. It really does.

>>12018152
>>12018154
>>12018157
If you're serious about this, I appreciate you taking it on, because I kind of don't have the energy of continuing the one I was doing.
Do you want any assets for putting it together? Like a big M_DOOM or a background texture or something?

>>12018160
Term was actually pretty frequent around here. I honestly miss him.

>>12018173
Yea, I could take all assests and stuff you already created. Not much of a graphics creator guy myself, but I do have skills to arrange to whole thing together with all new pics, texts and assets without it looking like shit. I'm serious about making this, but it won't be a quick project. It will take weeks, but I'm gonna do it.

>>12018181
Alright, hope you know what to do with a .PSD file, and how layers work.
https://files.catbox.moe/2jrf6b.psd

>played Evilution a long time ago with brootal doom
>remember it being super hard
>check it out on a youtube video
>there's no pair of cyber demons in the first level
what the hell did i play?

>>12018134
I played it 2 months ago and I really liked it, I felt it was well made, straightforward and endearing.

>>12018183
Of course. I'm old school nerd, I've already studied graphics editing at school when I was a teen. I can't draw for shit, but this is easy.

What are some really good wads that never got any kind of Cacoward? Excluding DBPs.

>>12018189
In coop TNT does have at least one cyberdemon in first map.

>>12015412
[9-11] Esselfortium releases the full texture sets for for BTSX E1 & E2 for use.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155111/

Rationale being that it's already been very long, and that the pending E3 uses almost entirely new assets anyway.

>>12018201
Nice. May try and get in on this before the set has time to become fucking dull like OTEX.

>>12018205
I honestly was always extremely lukewarm on OTEX (I like Vader's older texture sets much more), while I always liked BTSX's textures a lot.

>>12018192
Ones that didn't get cacowards, runner-ups, honorable mentions or even missed cacowards:

>NJ Doom 1 and 2
First megawads that were not just collections
>Cleimos 2
Classic megawad from 1995
>Operation Biowar
Absolute classic from 99.
>Mancubus
Wad from 2000. Nice visuals and gameplay.
>Doom: The Dark Project
Doom meets Thief
>A New Hellspawn
One of these old zdoom wads with cutscenes and scripts. Has a lot of new, quite cool hand made demon sprites, that have never been used anywhere after this.
>Adessa
Also for zdoom. Nice Giger influence with new textures.
>Bloodrust
Cool wad from 2000s. Comfy visuals.
>Endgame
Same as above.
>Scimitar
Scythe influenced. Has new weapons and enemies.
>Claustrophobia: The Walls Close In
Zdoom wads which has unique very complex scripted and long boss fights.
>Dark Resolution
Cool and fun 2008 episode with lot of Death-Destiny maps.

Continuing later with 10s and 20s.

>>12018201
/vr/ doom project with btsx textures? Sadly I got no time to lead, but I'd gladly contribute if someone with skill and determination takes the lead.

>>12018160
Terminus was a /v/irgin and a regular across several Doom circles for a time.

>>12018208
>>Mancubus
>Wad from 2000. Nice visuals and gameplay.
link?

>>12018220
https://www.doomwadstation.net/mb/mb.html

Yea it's not easy find since it's not on idgames, and googling "mancubus doom wad" doesn't exactly help, because it's just too common name.

>>12018230
thanks friend, biowar also looks interesting

>>12018234
No problem bro

>>12018230
>Author(s): Turdburglar (aka Shitbag)
God, I love old internet.

>>12018157
Final Doomer would be my suggestion for a gameplay mod. Basically megawad-flavored Samsara by the two main guys behind DoomRLA, it very much kept to its scope with each class having all having fluffy weapon replacements that are well made and not too superfluous.

BD and Mega Men are going to be skub regardless. While I'd suggest against them as these infographics are meant to be /vr/'s RECOMMENDATIONS than 'le ebin Doom hall of fame' that mega-cock forgets, the former you can at least make a footnote in that both sides pretty much moved on at this point, the latter still stands as a current point of local contention. And the only way to make an image immune to shitty edits is to make it harder to do so. Seeing the rest of the lists, are you still going with flavor text for each wad still?

>>12018201
We got buttsex textures before we got 94 protons. Of course I am in no position to talk being a procrastinator I am.

>>12018152
Where's Sunlust and Hedon?

>>12018256
Final Doomer is included on /vr/'s gameplay mods. I understand the mix up since there is one gameplay mod category for /vr/' s own and one for the rest of them.

While Brutal Doom is an old mod, it's still used with likes of Extermination Day which is an insanely good map set. Now that I think of it, I gotta include ED on 2010s wads.

I'm including the Megaman as a peace offer to stop the shitstorm (as it did after the weekend), but I wouldn't do this to an any wad. It's single player campaign is quite well made. Sure it's not Doom, but that's why it goes to TCs. And you'd have to replace it with some other TC anyway to get even number of them, so it goes there. Adding Megaman is not my main reason for updating this howerer, and I don't agree with this wad's "number one fan". His behaviour is not CutManMike's fault. Anyway let's not fixate on Megaman. Most important thing is that source port info is updated (as the other anon already did), our wads are included, and that post-2018 "banned wads" that are actually great such as Zeppelin Armada and Dynamite Duchess get the recognization that they deserve.

I'm quite opposite of thinking of making the image immune to edits. I'm not doing this forever, so it's good to share the file with layers and shit, after this edit too, so if someone wants to update it, if I'm not around here anymore someday. I do plan to continuously update it for a while. But backups and such are always good. Having someone adding some shitty wads won't be problem, since this community can judge is the edit qualified to replace the previous one. That's why the mock v9 wasn't included.

And yea I'm doing descriptions but they won't be as good as the originals since I'm esl. They are gonna be informative though, and if it's too much esl babble, feel free to correct me.

>>12018285
Thanks for reminding about Hedon, it will be added. While I do like Sunlust myself, I'm against of putting it there, because after all these recs are for the newbs. Combining Sunlust-difficulty with non-experienced player is a mistake. But I'm willing to change my mind. If you want Sunlust there, maybe I'll add it. With a difficulty warning of course.

Devilution sucks and it took over a decade to still suck

Now that I think of it, I'm adding Sunlust. I added Megaman too, so I would be a massive hypocritic and asshole by not including Sunlust.

>>12018305
Well if you don't like Evilution or Revilution, you are not gonna enjoy Devilution. It's understandable. Not everyone likes big maps. I enjoyed all three of those wads.

>>12018294
I think Sunlust deserves a spot because of how good and relevant it is. TNT, Sigil II and Legacy of Rust aren't all that great but they're relevant just because they're official. Arguably the original Sigil is in the same boat too. If we're sending newbs to the wrong wads, be it because of difficulty rather than just for it being official.
Some of the wads already in the list aren't exactly a walk in the park either. Valiant, Scythe 2 and Speed of Doom all have their moments.

>>12018314
Agreed. You make good points. Sunlust will be get it's place on infograph.

>>12018167
>I don't blame him for walking away.
Nobody should, not just you. I'm not being a dick, what with singling you out. It's just that if one intends to actually make a name for themselves, well, you don't do that anonymously. I think anonymity is great and all, and 4chan along with this thread is super convenient. But to be truly human is to connect meaningfully, and one of the primary ways we connect meaningfully is with names. Names you attach finished projects to. Names that belong to friends. Nobody should ever be surprised anybody leaves 4chan.

>>12018323
Nta, but Term didn't just leave 4chan. He left all Doom communities because getting harrassed or something. Not by any of us anyway, I think.

>>12018329
Right but anon and I were specifically talking about 4chins.

>>12018329
>Not by any of us anyway, I think.
One of the worst ones showed up here till relatively recently.

>>12018358
Nobody knew the truth of the situation though, and shit like that being revealed after all the years was part of why ZDoom Forums fucking exploded.

So, niglets... What's up with VKDoom? Is it dead now?

>>12016564
1:12 https://files.catbox.moe/ljg3vx.lmp
different route
if only i could skip the invuln

>>12018152
>>12018154
>>12018157
I'd like to throw in my hat for Batman Doom in Historically Notable. It hits the double-header for not only completely turning Doom into Batman but also managing to perform some impressive tricks with Dehacked.

>>12018418
Nevermind, I'm completely blind and didn't see it under TCs.

>>12018154
>-Chainworm Kommando 1/2
I don't think P1NKAC1D ever posted here, Chainworm 1 just went down really well here.

>>12018448
It's listed as our wads in pastebin. I trust the pastebin.

>>12018453
Under the disclaimer albeithoughever
>Not strictly limited to affiliates, here are some prime examples of 90s shooter modmaking for you to pass time with:
>Not strictly limited to affiliates

>>12018154
>Deathstrider
I recall it was asked to not be included in the old infograph, that could still apply to this new one.

>check the Rentry
>My shitty DAKKA art is there
Alright which one of you fucking dorks used this?

>>12015830
Pentagram can teleport you right to the exit, I love the pentagram now!
0:59 https://files.catbox.moe/91x67f.lmp

>>12018460
>that old PrBoom default gamma setting
You got sector brightness slider in woof, why don't you use it

>>12018465
I set it to max because before this my route included grabbing the invuln >>12018408
and i needed to dodge spectres in the dark

>>12018465
I mean, I gotta give him some cred, playing Doom with the gamma through the roof like that is pretty retro, it's what you'd see a lot in people's screenshots in the late 90s and early 2000s.

>>12018465
Oh I misread your comment. Didn't know about that setting, thanks, but it's not allowed in demos.

>>12018458
Dunno but I do know it's been there for fucking years.

>>12018489
I never scrolled that far down on the Rentry.
Also what the fuck, I made that back in August of 2023. Time flies.

>>12018479
DSDA committee weirdos disallow a bunch of frivolous stuff. Wouldn't prevent someone from "cheating" if they really wanted to, though.

You could unlock all options in the recent development build with -tas command parameter, they got rid of strict demo recording switch most recently.

>>12018495
I'm sure there is a decent amount of real cheaters on leaderboards who haven't been caught yet and no one bothers to find. Speedrunners are one of the most ridiculous vain losers out there. Compet-n were actually straight about their rule enforcing.

>>12018454
Fug. Thought they all were our guys' wads since most were. Gonna move it then from one category to another.

>>12018457
Yea. Will be removed then.

Less than 24 hours to Call Of The Void. Yeaaa.

>>12018154
Heretical Doom could do with going under the /vr/ gameplay mods since Ryuhi is definitely one of our lads.

>>12018201
>Somewhere around 14 or 15 years ago, I decided that I'd release the BTSX resources (...)
I recall some anon posing a question of how many doomers might've died or got to know their grandchildren since all these years. Apparently, essel is not one of those people.

>>12018527
Good.

>>12018152
>>12018157
Nice work, anon. Are 90's wads not added since some are already popular, like Hell Revealed 1&2, Memento Mori 1&2 or some other works of TeamTNT?

Stuff I'd recommend to add (with short descriptions):

- Perdition Gate 1&2. Since the first was supposed to be the third wad in Final Doom and anons enjoy it.
- Nihility: Infinite Teeth. It nicely emulates alpha versions of Doom. (2010's mapsets)
- Project Brutality. It is the best Brutal mod that exists. Although I'm more fond of the ver 3.0, since it's the long-lived and well-known one (most addons are made for this version) and it's the best version before the new numbering scheme, than 0.2.1. Maybe you could add this as a note. (Gameplay Mods)
- Voxel Doom and Brutal Voxel Doom. Faithful-to-original 3D models that change paper-thin sprites and the Brutal version of it. Depends on you to either seperate them or mention them together since they are made by different developers. (Gameplay Mods)
- DN3DOOM. If you don't play this mod, you like men! (Total Conversion)
- Zio McCall's Brutal Wolfenstein. It's great to play Wolf3D with hitscan removed and more blood. (Total Conversion)
- TouhouDoom by Untitled and Touhou Doom Advance Pack for it. To play the best shmup in Doom engine. (Total Conversion/Historically Notable?)
- Weapon only mods like Too Many Super Shotguns, Russian Overkill, etc. Even though they are fun, no one plays casually with these mods since they overpower the player and GZ barely loads any slaughter map so they can be counted in Historically Notable.
- Corruption Cards. To spice up your game in many ways to increase replayability infinitely. Developed to be compatible with many mods. (Gameplay Mods)
- DOOM I&II Minor Sprite Fixing Project and Minor Sound Fixing Project. Self explanatory, most noticable change is Plasma Rifle's toned down sound. (Gameplay Mods? Even though they are made for Vanilla)

cont.

>>12018573
I personally mostly hated Perdition's Gate, but don't let me stop you.

>>12018573

- DOOM 64: Unseen Evil. A mod for DOOM I&II that perfectly emulates the dark and grim gameplay of D64 featuring custom music for it. Since it replaces everything in DOOM I&II iwads, finding a pwad to play can be difficult. (DOOM64 Section)
- MOON MAN, Stormer Doom, TayAIdoom. Historically Notable.
- Not Even Remotely Fair (NERF). There's barely any maps, let alone megawads made for Nightmare! difficulty, so this wad takes the cake. (2020's Mapsets)

>>12018574
>>12018574
I haven't played it myself yet, but some anons in previous threads were speaking good about it so I'll recommend it.

>>12018573
We could probably outright have a "Vanilla Plus" section detailing stuff like the Spritefixes, Brigthmaps, blood color patches, and the like.

>>12018557
On the subject of doomers who have died
>>12018154
ispooks gameplay mods, I think at the very least his version of Shut Up and Bleed deserves a spot. There's also Project Complexity and Hellkrieger, but the latter is probably a bit morally questionable since the only version available is a not intended to be publicly released beta that he never got to finish.

>>12018573
>Perdition Gate 1
Sure, in addition to Hell to Pay
>Perdition Gate 2
Haven't played it, is it good?
>Nihility: Infinite Teeth
Maybe, I'm inclined to say no
>Project Brutality
Maybe, could be in a combined section
>Voxel Doom and Brutal Voxel Doom
Absolutely
>DN3DOOM
Yes
>Zio McCall's Brutal Wolfenstein
Maybe
>TouhouDoom and Touhou Doom Advance Pack
Maybe (>Historically Notable) Are they?
>Too Many Super Shotguns, Russian Overkill...
Yes
>Corruption Cards
Absolutely
>Minor Sprite Fixing Projects
Maybe
>DOOM 64: Unseen Evil
Sure, why not. How about Doom Delta too?
>MOON MAN, Stormer Doom, TayAIdoom
Haven't heard of the last two
>Not Even Remotely Fair (NERF)
No

>>12018578
It has a certain historical notability, they wanted to pitch it for Final Doom but missed their opportunity, and it ended up becoming an unofficial third party expansion together with Hell 2 Pay.

My own gripes with it is that Tom Mustaine made a level for it, and then he made it over and over again. Perdition's Gate also promised it was gonna kick my ass, but then absolutely didn't, and I really resented that it actually had a number of neat texture sets in it which it ended up virtually never using, in favor of sticking with the same brown and bricks look for most of the .wad, blueballing me in two separate manners.

There's aspects I like about Perdition's Gate, but it stirred my imagination a fair bit, then only to really let me down.

>>12018573
>DOOM I&II Minor Sprite Fixing Project
>I'm going to make this change even though even the developers themselves confirmed I'm wrong because I'm actually the smartest fuck you
No.

>>12018597
Easy to fix.

>>12018601
Yeah, super easy, just don't install it.

>>12018602
I don't particularly care about that point, everything else about it is excellent.

>>12018592
>>Not Even Remotely Fair (NERF)
>No
Yeah, isn't the only notable thing about it that it was made by a Youtuber?

>>12018603
Yeah it's not all bad.

>>12018609
I'd say everything else about it is good but the author's attitude is why I will never use it. Even the good changes are minor after all.

>>12018606
NERF is notable for being explicitly designed around Nightmare, which is very rare.

>>12018612
>I'd say everything else about it is good but the author's attitude is why I will never use it.
Many such cases since forever, still enjoy what they've made.

>>12018612
Who gives a fuck about his attitude lmao? Fuck him.
The best part is really the fixed sprite offsets, makes the animations and rotations as smooth as originally intended with the models, the stray pixel fixes are just a bonus.

Honestly, make your own version where you fix the Lost Soul and I'll use that.

>>12018154
>Author's Corner (/vr/'s guys' Gameplay Mods):
Bro's allergic to self-promotion and we couldn't reasonably list all of his mods or it'd end up enormous but I'd suggest The Agitator since it's cool as fuck.
https://matt-eldrydge.itch.io/the-agitator

I'M GETTIN' EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>12018673
>Bro's allergic to self-promotion
>allergic
I too love eating peanuts despite all the risks of a sore stomach and itchy skin. While being serious, he's not the most humble person alive when most of the mods and projects he was involved with appear on the news from his direct act and approval.

>>12018712
>most of the mods and projects he was involved with appear on the news from his direct act and approval.
Mod devs are posting their mod releases in a Doom thread? How awful!

>>12018742
from the thumbnail I almost thought that was Krang.

>>12018725
I only corrected you there, no need to feel pansy about it. He's also the only one who uses the news post to that extent in my memory.

man, this view got me feeling a certain kind of way. crawling up through the slums at the bottom of whatever the fuck this is, and all the way up here is kinda cool too. would have been nice to see more of the "up here" other than the skybox, but alas.
god what a fucking quake-ass final boss though. i guess it makes sense.

>>12018540
Yes.

>>12018573
90s wads were on the historically notable shit, but maybe I could rearrange shit and turn it into 90s section.

Your suggestions are good and I'll use your descriptions with them. Unlike the other anon I think NERF is quite good suggestion too. PG and it's sequel too.

>>12018581
Good idea.

>>12018582
Noted.

>>12018673
I added his maps, and I'll add this one too.

>>12018765
>whatever the fuck this is
That about describes it

>>12018765
Really great mod even if it does feel like made by a schizophrenic that hyper focused on a game that he played as a kid

>>12018581
>"Vanilla Plus" section
That would be nice. In addition, I'll recommend widescreen stat bars so huds for specific iwads and pwads will look nicer (if used).
https://github.com/NightFright2k19/doom_widehud

>>12018592

>>Nihility: Infinite Teeth
>Maybe, I'm inclined to say no
I forgot about Doom Delta, since Nihility does the same but as a mapset it can be dismissed unless an anon makes a convincing argument like Nihility being a different worthwhile atmospheric experience.
>>Project Brutality
>Maybe, could be in a combined section
It vastly differs from Brutal Doom with many more monsters, guns and etc; there are many addons made specifically for it. PB and BD being on the same description wouldn't do both justice.

>>TouhouDoom and Touhou Doom Advance Pack
>Maybe (>Historically Notable) Are they?
TouhouDoom is a niche shmup + fps experience. I remember it having a decent popularity. I'd understand if it's not included, since the gameplay

>>MOON MAN, Stormer Doom, TayAIdoom
>Haven't heard of the last two
Seems like the latter two are scrubbed from the internet.
>Stormer Doom
A mapset of 8 levels where you kill monsters in White House, Tel-Aviv, etc. It required Brutal Doom v. 19 and added Jews with machineguns as a custom enemy. The city levels were nice.
>TayAIDoom
A 6 level mapset where you defeat the ZOG like the latter, last map was great. Requires BD v. 21, features the same jewish custom enemy but the wad design was better in quality with a little cutscene-like finish.
They are rarely known and forgotten. Come to think of it, I'd argue against adding them. But MOON deserves a place.

>>Minor Sprite and Sound Fixing Projects
>Maybe
It's great to have. Lost soul animation change doesn't bother me much, it'd be still good if an anon redo it.

>>Not Even Remotely Fair
>No
A nightmare-only mapset needs more acknowledgement, and not because it's directed by a decent youtuber. There's already many cacoward wins and DW faves in the list, this won't hurt.

>>12018789
It's fucking weird to see a Quake-based prequel to a sidescroller prequel to Slave Zero, where each is an entirely fucking different thing and genre to the rest.

>>12018784
Holy shit Magma. Patrician music taste.

>>12018575
>- Not Even Remotely Fair (NERF). There's barely any maps, let alone megawads made for Nightmare! difficulty, so this wad takes the cake. (2020's Mapsets)
Hard pass, personally. It is irrelevant, meme wad that only gets attention due to being made by a youtuber

>>12018789
>made by a schizophrenic that hyper focused on a game that he played as a kid
You don't radically change art style and genre if you get the chance to work on something you loved as a kid.
I guarantee you that they DID NOT actually want to make a Slave Zero game and just used to use the name because their publisher owns the rights to it. I don't think there's even a real story connection outside of some text they shoved in.
IP necromancy at its laziest.

>>12018818
There's no similarities between Quake and the newer sidescrolling game that uses Slave Zero's setting, but there is between Quake and the original Slave Zero. What's stranger still is the amount of effort the assets in this episode received. Ultimately feels several degrees more "genuine" than the 2017 Prey situation.

>>12018850
Sorry, but I will add it either way. I rather include more than less stuff. On top of that, NERF is fun and unique wad. Since we are going all the way in and adding hard wads, NERF should be there.

>>12018853
Who cares, when it's more of a high quality Q1 content.

>>12018861
Megaman tier nonsense. No one itt agreed with your assessment. I guess every image has had meaningless additions.

>>12018867
It's a glorified ad, and lower effort than total conversions from the 90s. It's just vanilla Quake enemies using models from that shitty sidescroller. It even ends with a fucking Chthon fight.
Are standards really this low now?

>>12018873
Well if nobody agreed with my assesment, I can stop this. You can do the updating then, or then just leave it as it is. I'm doing this for free, and if people don't want this, I'm not forcing it on.

>>12018883
It does have few new enemies and weapons though. And yes standards on Q1 are slightly lower, because the scene is not anywhere near as active as Doom mapping scene.

>>12018883
I think you're way too harsh. Foremost, I think maybe 100 people would even look into the sidescroller because of something so extremely niche as a quake 1 TC, fewer still would buy it because of the genre disparity. To me it seems like a passion project, partly because whoever made it doesn't get any money from. Personally, I found the maps very good with a lot of neat secrets and cleverly designed encounters. The enemies are interesting (if a little visaully samey) and it comes with really neat visuals.

>>12018883
>and lower effort than total conversions from the 90s.
In which regard? The asset work is solid and the level design is fine throughout. The weapons are different and not all of the enemies are vanilla: It uses Alkaline as a base and utilizes its melee grunts, bamblers, and alternating grenade/rocket ogres.

>>12018890
If you're going to add stuff arbitrarily that no one likes, yeah you should stop doing whatever you're doing.

>>12015539
>I also hoped that MAP08 author would remove this juvenile thing

You are posting on 4chan

>>12018873
>No one itt agreed with your assessment.
At least >>12018774 did.

>>12018902
NERF was asked by multiple people in this thread. That's why I'm adding it. Your voice alone is not more significant than multiple voices.

>>12018905
Anon, I appreciate your willingness to help but that's my own post.

>>12018913
Quote the posters and not the voices in your head.

wait a minute...

>>12018860
>Ultimately feels several degrees more "genuine" than the 2017 Prey situation.
Funny how that was basically the Quake 2 situation all over again, except with no attempt to even relate it to the original.

>>12018930
Stop noticing.

>>12018930
Wait, so why the fuck did Decino keep being credited for pretty much leading it?

>>12018930
It's all so tiresome.

>>12018930
lmfao

>>12018940
MegaSphere is Decino's sissy slave.

>>12018921
>>12018575
>>12018618
Here you go, babby. It's 2 against one, 3 if I count myself. If I hear more votes against it, I won't add it, but right now it's just you. It's a fair game. Now stop whining.

>>12018930
This is getting weird.
>>12018931
I’ll give Quake 2 credit in being called Quake “2”. Imagine if it released as “Doom 3”.

>>12018952
Hi, Peter. How is your music career going?

>>12018930
Kek. Now this is a conspiracy theory, I like.

>>12018930
petesisters...

>>12018930
I had my suspicions before that but this post >>12018913 was a dead giveaway it's the same fucking schizo.

>>12018954
Not very good, anon. I have to make infographs now, because I accidently stepped on George Soros' balls in our last dinner. He kicked me out of Doom illuminati and doesn't let me do midis to wads anymore. I was millionaire when billions of people all around the world bought my Doom midis, but now I'm homeless. I'm hoping this infograph will rescue my career and take me to Hollywood.

>>12018964
>there is NOTHING to notice look how RIDICULOUS you sound

>>12018930
Peter can make music, design levels, lead teams AND shill his mods on 4chan (formerly known as 4channel)?
zamn

>>12018930
ohshit

>>12018897
>In which regard?
In that it just blatantly reskins vanilla Quake enemies. You see a big dude with a giant hammer and you think he's going to do something cool, not literally just be a shambler.
Xmen, Zerstorer, Shrek, and Malice were all doing whacky shit with new enemies in the 90s. There's no imagination here.
>The asset work is solid
Yeah, because everything was made for a real game that this is an ad for.
>It uses Alkaline as a base
Yes, this is painfully obvious which is why it's low-effort.
>>12018896
>To me it seems like a passion project, partly because whoever made it doesn't get any money from.
They got paid by their publisher to make an ad in Quake mod form. The mod and game developers are 90% one in the same.
>something so extremely niche as a quake 1 TC
It's on the official addon list of a recent re-release of Quake. As an ad it's targeting the right demographic - people nostalgic for older games and dumb enough to buy rehashes of them decades later.

>>12018930
what

>>12018157
-Dynamite Dutchess Trilogy
Impie took it down to make changes - I have a copy but I'd rather wait till he put it back up.

Maybe add these:
>Abysm 2 + Expansions
>Inquisitor 1-3 + Ascension
I have a soft spot for this series even if 3 needed me to modify it to make it less grindy.
>Maskim Xul
>City of the Damned: Apocalypse
>Insanity Edged
Winter's Fury is already in the Doom Quickstart download so not sure if it's really needed to be added to the chart but it is still really good too.
>Siren
>Thunderpeak - again already in quickstart download

What about puzzle mapsets? Grove, Phocas Island 2, The Given, I don't know of any others currently. Umbra was Puzzle Slaughter which I enjoyed a bit but I think it could use a custom melee attack.

>>12018978
I honestly think that making an advertisement in the form of a mod for quake is probably THE least feasible ways to shill a sidescroller. My personal experience was as follows. I had never heard of the game it is based on and I enjoyed it a lot (bar the final boss) and while I did look at the steam store page, I quickly discerned there is nothing of interest for me. I can only imagine someone thinking a quake mod is a viable way of advertisement, is that the modder swindled someone above him in his corporation. That is a stretch in itself. There is no way that the hundreds of hours invested in it in manhours could get more people to buy the game than it cost to pay the modder

>>12018921
Uh, I agreed when NERF was brought up, because I thought it would be a notable addition worth mentioning (designing maps around Nightmare is very unusual), but apparently there's something going on here?

>>12018998
Just Pete up to his usual shenanigans.

>>12018989
>Impie took it down to make changes - I have a copy but I'd rather wait till he put it back up.
It's weird that it took down those mods to try and not hurt his writing career, while keeping others up that poked at touchy subjects at least as much as they did.

Okay, infograph guy here. I'm not sure are you joking with these conspiracy theories, but if you aren't, I'm willing to leave Megaman and NERF out, if those 2 wads make everyone spergout. I just wanted everyone of you to get what they wanted there. I really wanted no harm. I can assure you that I'm not the Megaman guy, Peter, or the other anons who gave me suggestions.

I just wanted to do this for /vr/. To get more recognization to our wads, to update source port info for newcomers and to get recognization to wads that have been made outside DW like Impie's wads and DBPs.

Now I'm getting blamed that I'm the Megaman guy even though I don't even agree with his spergouts. This is kinda the curse of anonymous boards. Even if you try to do a good thing, you make yourself a target of hate. So now, I'm seriously considering do I even want to continue with this. I expected more of you guys, I thought you were my bros. I'n dissappointed... I wasted few days for planning this and gathering the lists, and this is what I get...

>>12019004
I think everyone is fine with you making the infograph, just don't put stuff you've worked on just because you did.

>>12019001
Do we know that it's actually Pete though? Apparently he worked on both MM8BDM and NERF, but is there more that I'm missing?

>>12019004
>I'n dissappointed... I wasted few days for planning this and gathering the lists, and this is what I get...
It gets better Pete...
If you're such a downer over backing two dubious wads heavily involving the same person, maybe you really shouldn't. This isn't a pity party.

>it's starting again
Fuck it, I'm off to play some HereDoom.

>>12019009
There is plausible deniability, but so far we have had some anonymous poster using the same writing style trying to get two wads of dubious quality/relevance into the infographic which heavily involve one guy. And when someone raised the point he goes all doom and gloom because he totally isn't that guy. Which in itself should be enough to heavily doubt his reliability.

>>12018750
No one seemed to mind it so I thought it was fine. It was never my intention to come off like that, I really don't have much of an ego and I'm not one for bragging.

I've stopped needing flashlight mods as much with GZDoom since I learned the r_visibility command which lets me replicate Nugget's brightness settings - (that setting made Nugget my favorite sourceport for a year). Usually just setting it between 15-30 will make the map both look good and be bright enough I can actually play it if visibility is a problem.

>>12019004
I was actually wondering if maybe it's excessive to include ALL of this stuff in a single image.
Would it make more sense to make one guide pic which is about getting you started for the core games, and how to use sourceports and loaders, and then make a second which then has all these sections for 90s wads, 2000s wads, 2010s wads, our community projects, notable TCs, etc.
Like it's maybe information overload to fit EVERYTHING at once in one single chart, so a newbie is maybe put off and he thinks it looks daunting. This is a summation of +30 years of content at once, after all.

I'm open to counterarguments to this, it's just a thought that I had.
Like someone is interested in Doom and you hit them with the base guide, and then you add the user content guide and tell them they can look at that one later if they get hooked at the game. Or if they're already familiar with the base game.

>>12019018
Writing style? Can you elaborate on that? What's the patterns? I just woke up and I'm dazed by all this.

>>12019026
>Writing style? Can you elaborate on that? What's the patterns? I just woke up and I'm dazed by all this.
Double enter after a text line. I will admit that I can't be bothered to go into the archives and therefore you can freely disregard this post, but the megaman shill did this as well.

>>12019023
It's never been a problem for people to post their own releases, that anon's being fucking stupid.

>>12019028
Why did you teach Pete how to disguise himself?

>ctrl+F 'megaman'
>14 results
>ctrl+F 'infog'
>18 results
Welp, this thread is a wash.

>>12018883
faggot

>>12018978
>Yeah, because everything was made for a real game that this is an ad for.
Far from offensive considering TCs like Malice also had money in mind. Episode Enyo's far from something orgasmic and altruistic but it was still good and gave me a lot of assets to have my way with. I only wish the source code got released.
>>12018993
No interest in beatemups myself, but it did get me to try the original. It's actually pretty decent so I have to give them an unironic kudos for getting me to check it out.

>>12018903
>On this Tasmanian spear chucking forum, I have to treat the voice of every mentally ill baboon as my own
Straight course to schizophrenia. You need to be 18 before even considering visiting here, or better yet: avoid this place alltogether for your own greater good. Dead serious advice.

I'm the guy who was making the infograph. No I'm still not Peter. I just wanted to do the infograph anonymously, so I wouldn't look like I was slacking with the Duke project. Because I've been slacking with it, and wanted to do something else till I get mapping juices back on. I was still eventually going to do the 2 maps before the end of the year, start on this month while posting screens.

But this made me realize something. I don't want to use my free time and energy to keep this place alive, because all it causes is to make a target for your hate, while I did this all for us. I shouldn't need to prove it to you that I'm not the Megaman sperg or some fucking Peter (who is brit, while I'm a fucking esl, you fucking Sherlocks). I've got enough shit going with irl, so I'm not using my talents for community like this. Of course, some of you are okay guys, but there is enough guys who want to make me into some villain of theirs, and that's enough for me to quit.

So, you got what you wanted.
I won't update the infograph.
I will abandon the Duke project too.
I will be making maps, but not as a part of /vr/ anymore.
This was a good lesson for me.

Goodbye.

>>12019054
Don't let the door hit you on your way out, Pete.

>>12015412
Adding it to the news too:
Duke It Out In /vr/ is cancelled

>>12019054
https://files.catbox.moe/a7vvwf.mp4

>>12019054
>>12019062
Goddammit, don't let retards ruin a project for you.

>>12019057
>>12019069
Look what you fucking did, you stupid niggers.

>>12019096
Take it easy, Pete.
A spergout of this order, even if genuine, means you're not fit for the role in the first place.

>>12019101
It's not good, but goddammit, the Duke project is something which at least a few anons have been working on contributing towards, and it would be shitty and gay if it died because of this EXTRAORDINARILY stupid bullshit.

If he really is gonna throw in the towel on that, is someone else gonna take up the reigns on that? It's not a big project and it's on a slow burn, a deadline at the end of the year, so maybe one of the other contributors could take it on?

>>12019104
It really doesn't matter is some retard tried to assume control and then lost it. All the work done is still interesting, at the very worst anons can post their stuff without a lead until one steps up. Hopefully one which isn't Pete

>>12019054
More embarrassing things have happened during the history of this place. Like, whatever. I'll forget this post existed in a half an hour.

>>12019054
You weren't fighting some righteous crusade. You've actively made yourself a laughingstock by every post you've made. If anything, the ancient infographic is preferable to whatever inclusions you'd have made that were partly your making. You're also eternally bound to the megaman retardation.
Take it easy Pete.

>>12019117
That doesn't sound bad.

>>12019236
Slide jumping is also an option, similarly effective and may be more fun to do. You can also set the tap-dodge delay through the options.
Unless you meant the uninstalling is what doesn't sound bad.

>>12019015
What wad is in the pic, anon? I tried looking HereDoom, but I could not find anything.

Can any zscript gods out here help me out? Is there a ZScript library I can use that will make my gun viewmodels swing around like they do in Half-Life 2 when you move the camera around? I can't code it myself, that's why I ask if a library like that exists.

I'm using 3D models as well just to clear up any confusion.

>>12018978
Why is it that ad mod (sidescroller) is bad, but ad mod (vampire movie) and ad mod (breakfast cereal) are OK?

>>12019069
I'm not doing this to make you feel bad. I'm stopping because I feel stupid for trying to contribute something and then getting shat on by multiple anons, just because I wanted to please all of you by including all suggestions instead of being a dictator. Right now it feels impossible to lead a project in community like this.

>>12019101
No shit, man. Of course I'm not fit for this, but I tried to be. This is my first project lead, and I stepped up, because nobody else was doing shit. And as you can see I'm not mentally fit by now either, but like anon said this isn't a pity party, so no.

>>12019096
>>12019104
Well for you and rest of actual mappers, I might consider compiling all the stuff into a one episode and file, so the work doesn't go to waste. After all you are the good guys, who actually contribute. You shouldn't be punished for this. But what comes to bigger contributions, I'm just tired, man.

>>12019105
So what have you exactly contributed for the Duke project yourself? Other than begging someone to step up, so you can then shit on him and claim that he's Xaser, Ribbiks, resurrected Dr Sleep or the new trandy arch-villain Pete.

>>12019162
You are right. I wasn't fighting some righterous crusade, I just wanted to update the infograph, because nobody else had done it. People here had cool work that deserved more recognization. Yet somehow I was villain, because I wanted to be a good guy and add all wads that were suggested, and 2 of them happened to have a same midi artist which was decided as bad thing. Then you make up this insane conspiracy theory that I'm that midi artist. It's insane claim, because don't you think I would have made midis already for the Duke project, if I had skills to do such? Anyway I tried even suggesting that I won't add the 2 wads, but that wasn't enough, you already saw me as a villain. Then I tried be real and friendly and you accused me of gathering pity. There's not winning with you folks.

>>12019249
Anon, that's Heretic.wad.

just finished this, what the fuck was going on in the Doom community in 2004 that they thought this deserved a Cacoward

>>12019295
I think it's better than the first one.

>>12019271
This shit is a symptom of the lack of moderation these days, which is why I think some of us stepping up to volunteer would be for the better of /doom/ and /vr/.
I get your frustration too, because this shit was very confusing to me, and very retarded. I don't really trust that all of this posting was fully organic, it felt a bit too retarded and forced.

However, even if you step down from both projects, I do want you to stay, because you seem to be genuinely wanting and trying to make good contributions to the thread, which is the kind of posters that we NEED around here, even if you decide to completely anonymously distance yourself from the Duke project and guide project and act like you never did them.

Take a breather for a while, don't let spiritual troons get to you, don't let them win.

>>12019303
I don't necessarily agree but even that is not a very high bar

>>12019295
Dryspell I guess. Or maybe enough people had low enough standards that it got in by the virtue of being a full fledged megawad.

I've also heard it frequently argued that Hell Revealed 1 & 2 aren't really fun the first time, because they're bullshit, but that they're rather the most fun when you know when all of the bullshit is coming.
That's not a particularly great sales pitch to me, but I guess I can see the rationale.
Perhaps for a lack of better options, some people decided to do second playthroughs of it just for a want for more Doom, and they found that it was more fun when they could account for all the assfuckings.

>>12019303
Hell Revealed 2 is a lot better than Hell Revealed, but I never found much enjoyment in them.

>>12019306
Thank you, seriously. Reading this warms me. It's good see, that at least some of you don't see me as some evil antagonist. I really tried just to do a good thing and it was shocking to see multiple anons to line up against me. I've always wanted best for this community, and for an incredibly small reason I was made into the villain of this community. It seems like my original sin was contributing, and that's just wrong.

I think I'm following your suggestion and continuing completely anonymously. I will help with Duke project and compile the maps into one episode and test them. Maybe even do some anonymous map contributions then, hehe. Then I won't villainized at least. That shit is just not good for mental health.

So yeah, thanks to you I'd say Duke is back on tracks. But technically I'm going to say, that it's original leader is gone and I'm just a shadow who helps through anonymous voices. Someone else needs to upload it to moddb, duke4 and such, because I can't do that anonymously.

But what comes to infograph, I just can't continue it. It's impossible to do so without villainizing myself. You anger some folks by not including something, and more folks by including something. It's a thankless task and too big task to get shat on by multiple people.

But anyway, thank you.

>>12019054
Word. Godspeed, anon.

>>12019286
I'm talking about the wad that adds the custom ui & pistol sprite. I want to find out what that is.

>>12019376
That's Legendoom.

>>12015412
So fixing it:
Duke It Out in /vr/ is NOT cancelled, I'm just taking a smaller and very anonymous role, but making the sure this gets release ready on jan

>>12018930
He has a public discord link on his Twitch page if you want to ask him personally.
https://www.twitch.tv/mega_sphere

>>12019393
Before going full anonymous, I gotta ask, is this guy even a Duke fan?

>>12019402
A tripcode doesn't suddenly make you not anonymous, anon... especially if you're working on a very specific thing where it's obvious who you are anyway.

>>12019390
>Legendoom
Thank you anon.

>>12019408
Can we please just stop this fighting, man. I mean, what the fuck do you even want? What's the thing that I have wronged you so much?

>>12019415
I haven't even replied to you before that. Just chill man.

>>12019424
You too. No need to start this shit again.

>>12019431
I think he means that he saw you say the thing about becoming anonymous again, but you're still posting with your trip.

>>12019437
I mean, posting that with a trip was the point. I was just trying to make one last stupid joke before getting rid of the trip. With joke being that I was asking that does this guy, who I was claimed to be, even like Duke. Tried to end this shitstorm with slightly positive note, but then it just continued. Fuck.

>>12019446
Well, you mean well.

>>12019451
See, no trip now. I aint Petey no moar.

Everyone aboard the Call of the Void waiting ship

Did this as a quick and simple mashup before, trying to make the best of the both games' hell skies. Anyone who wants to, feel free to use it, doesn't need any crediting even.

>>12019457
And I still like you.

>>12019461
Cool, thanks. I like you too.

>>12019460
Tomorrow, I'm gonna cum multiple hours nonstop.

>>12018529
>>12019460
Really looking forward to it. Then much later, Return to Perdition when it's out.

>>12019475
Yea looking forward to that too. Q2 getting Q1 assets for both remaster and kmq2 will no doubt revitalize it's modding scene even more.

>>12019493
I forgot that was happening. Nice.

>>12019493
what for kmq2, did knightmare finally accepted remaster and decided to go over the top with it?

>>12019004
Hey fren, sorry you had to go through shit for a wad I suggested. I don't really care if NERF and MM8 gets in the infograph. Thought it'd be nice to shine light for the hardest difficulty which most skip, but some have fatigue of rightfully popular names in the community. Godspeed. To answer your question (>>12019402): on the description of his "Duke Nukem 3D: 25th anniversary stream," (Jan 30, 2021) he says the following:
>I'll be playing through just the first episode to celebrate one of my favourite games, Duke Nukem 3D's 25th anniversery.

t. >>12018573, >>12018815

Man, that was gruelling. Switch hunt maps will forever be the bane of my existence.

>>12019512
No. Return To Perdition.

>>12019054
You nigger I'm wasting my life on making shitty sneed map for the duke project and you now telling me it's abandoned? Fuck you

>>12019556
>and you now telling me it's abandoned?
Doesn't look like it:
>>12019343

>>12019560
Yeah I read the rest and I won't stop making it now that I committed and people saw the screenshots. Damn this shit is sad, I thought we could get more anons into duke mapping

>>12019556
You humour me greatly with your arrogance and contempt

>>12019569
I'm salty in the heat of moment. I don't understand why people are so hyper sensitive to criticism on 4ch of all places. Seriously, over a fucking infograph?

>>12019587
I think a lot of people get sick of it because of like two or three mega autismos that turn it into a thread-stopping shitshow.
It should be left alone for now because no one involved with this is in the right mind.

>>12019568
>I thought we could get more anons into duke mapping
Make a new map editor that doesn't suck cock like whore in Whoville and maybe it will happen.
People flock to Doom mapping because it's easy and got even easier with modern editors.
Most people who would map for Doom wouldn't even bother with Quake until Trenchbroom came around.
Most people need to be comfortable to be creative, and compared to other editors Mapster is like a lovecraftian horror constantly trying to molest your butthole while you use it.

Damn I have to break my anonymity for a while.

>>12019517
I don't blame you. I never should have started the infograph update. I thought that people would like it. Mistake on my part.

>>12019556
I have to say that I'm sorry. I understand your reaction. When I got you to join the project, I was very proud. You are incredibly talented guy. It's sad how things went on my part. I would have never guessed that all goes to this point, but what happened today just broke me. And after all it's mostly my mistake. I was naive by thinking that the infograph wouldn't end up in shitstorm. Then I felt that same will happen with my contributions with Duke project, and most of the anons will tear the project down over some small thing. So I had meltdown. I felt that my work with both projects was wasted too.

But anyways, after I spoke with the another anon, I decided that I will continue with the project, but just anonymously, after all this necessary briefing after my meltdown, of course. Maybe it's the best for me to keep things lownote so the schizos won't think that Pete will try to destroy the 4chan with Duke Project or something. The work of you and the others must not go to waste. The screens you posted earlier were amazing.

>>12019587
>Seriously, over a fucking infograph?
Anon got panic-stricken over having to write hundreds of wad descriptions, so that was his roundabout way of absolving from responsibility. Clearly he is taking it way too seriously, prospective weight of disappointing people was too much for him.

>>12019596
I'll admit that mapset is not perfect editor but its far from being dogshit. Once you memorise controls and figure out how to not fuck up the map you are set anon. It took me 6 months to build my 1st EVER map, I never touched UDB or any other editors in my life, and only few weeks of that time were spend figuring out the thing. People loved that map, including many anons here. If retarded me could do it, I bet other anons can too.

>>12019606
I was fine with wad descriptions. But the overwhelmingly negative feedback and accutisations just because I wanted to include all suggestions made me to stop it. I mean, why force something to people when majority didn't want it and were very offensive about not wanting it. It made the work meaningless.

Turok is the real FPS and 3 was the best out of the trilogy.

>>12019617
Okay Tiger, let's hear your explanation as to why Turok 3 is the best.

>>12019614
End of the day we've got way better tools for showing off /vr/ wads and for organizing wads people think are worthwhile, than we did way back when the infographics were meaningfully maintained.

The rest is just pointless arguing over a thing that nobody had really thought about for going on a decade, and only got brought up again because one anon was desperate for his mod preferences to feel validated.

>>12019614
Thanks for the Astral Globetrot recommendation. Name is a little zany, but maybe the wad itself is more grounded and straightforward. Maybe you'll consider putting some of these >>12018152 here instead https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/

>>12019587
And now that I'm thinking of it, getting meltdown over infograph is definitely insane. And not first case of my spergout behaviour in these weeks, but first in these generals lol. Since I've embarrassed myself already, I can tell that I've been withdrawing from both cigs and meds in previous weeks and occasionally slipping, which is why my head is definitely not in the right place. Like the one anon said I'm definitely not fit for lead now. But for you guys in this project, I'm gonna at least "shadow lead" so we get this releasable.

>>12019619
Better themes, better story, better level design, linear without searching for gay puzzle pieces, borrowed assets for diversity, no super jumping like an arena shooter, and all around a great game. Also pickups were static instead of floating icons.

>>12019660
How's the gunplay?

>>12019654
what about those 2 maps you mentioned, will you finish them?

>>12019531
is this slaughterfest 2011? how are you enjoying it so far? I'm playing through the 2012 one right now, it's been fun.

>>12019693
Now that I think of it, I do want to. I just submit them anonymously amongst the other maps, so they won't judged as "Pete maps".

>>12019702
have there been some submissions already? I missed a few threads and only now catching up to the deadline with my little pic rel map

>>12019701
Yep, this is sf2011. It has it's moments, like with dannebubinga's and phml's maps, but fuck me the first 7 maps are a godawful first impression. the last 5 maps are crazy long, especially with the Time of Death maps with the gauntlet that is map30 straight after. If you're planning on playing through this at some point, expect grind, a LOT of it.

>>12019709
Nope. I've read all comments since the start of project, but nothing yet. But we have time.

how the hell do you use the duke level editor? id be down to try. no guarentees it wont be total shit tho just saying lmao. but ive played enough doom and duke to know what you shouldnt do. like pressing a switch then having to walk around for 20 mins to find what it did.

or making the way out of the level impossible through small mistakes. like using a destructible object to get out of a level. making a secret "mandatory", long and labyrinthian levels are all nos. fast and action paced with moderate puzzles

>>12019719
meant to say fast and action paced with moderate puzzles is how you do it. i guess you can scale the difficulty through monster placements

>>12019719
mapster comes with eduke. There are videos on youtube that show the basic basics, wiki lists all keybinds. I also highly recommend to read duke infosuite, very good read on how to do stuff, also comes with all important info on effects and other special oddities

>>12019758
ok cool thanks

>>12017474
i 'member, i haven't improved any at doom lol
> the "random" teleporters can be manipulated
wat

>>12018460
what the fuck did i just witness

>>12019806
From the textfile:
>Layouts are open and non linear, and start spots are randomized.
The teleports at the start of each level can place you various places throughout the map, but if you're precise about the angle you enter them you can whoosh to the same position each time.

The original set of challenges are the only reason I started recording demos, occasionally speedrunning, and generally getting better at the game. Which is why I'm glad they're going again.

>>12019925
>The teleports at the start of each level can place you various places throughout the map, but if you're precise about the angle you enter them you can whoosh to the same position each time.
Nice, I once used a similar setup to do pseudo-random layout changes but never thought to do it with teleporters.

>>12018978
I don't think anybody ever marketed it as being as original as Shrak, or Malice, or Zerstorer. It's just a really cool mod in Quake. I don't care that it was built atop Alkaline, I really don't. I don't measure my dick in how many original products I've played in my life. It's a good looking mod, and it plays like Quake.

Forget Duke, Tom Clancy's TekWar project when?

>>12018153
Cursed image.

I thought I was pretty ok at Dooming but this small map really pisses me off. I need your demo to compare myself to.
---
Settings: Boom comp 9
Map designer: SuperCupcakeTactics
Map: Hellberry crisis
241 monsters, small map
---
Please upload a lmp of you beating it. Prefer Nug but whatever.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/v3tg9kis0h2k5vzdr2pys/Hellberry-CrisisV2.wad?rlkey=nhtyik9kc9enq4yybqjdf03a4&e=2&dl=0

>>12019925
Ah, I see. I had never bothered to open the map in the editor before, out of laziness. Now I understand how the 'random' teleporter works.

I'm glad to hear something I posted had a positive impact. I got banned from Doomworld for a harmless shitpost so I could no longer submit demos to DSDA so that really pissed me off and I quit for a while. It's not that bad, I lift weights and read books now

>>12018495
IMO, anything above Gamma 1 should be TAS. If a map is dark or it's really hard to see Spectres then that's part of the difficulty and shouldn't be made easier by cranking up the brightness to ridiculous levels.

>>12018597
>Soul vs soulless

>>12019709
Oh, it was Formerly Chuck's. I was secretly hoping for The Town With No Name, but that's good too.

>>12020069
Sort of agree, but gamma is also a solution for older displays and unfavorable lighting conditions. When you look at really old screenshots from Doomworld and other places, people cranked their gamma because they were still using old CRTs, where your ability to see clearly could very well depend on the lighting conditions of where you're playing.

There's just this plausible deniability attached, where it isn't really easy to tell if someone is cheating darkness, and there's an excuse. It'd be difficult to enforce.

>>12019987
https://files.catbox.moe/0hdsf3.wad
Mostly blind. Didin't actually finish because I'm pretty sure the red door at the end is broken, it just wouldn't open for me on DSDA-Doom. I did get all the kills, though.
The beginning is pretty tough, took me a few of tries but once I got the blue armor it was smooth sailing. I think this was attempt 7 and the other 6 died before I could get any armor.

>>12019987
>>12020106
Just realized I accidentally uploaded the WAD itself instead of the demo, oops.
https://files.catbox.moe/4ghn0h.lmp

>>12019987
also what the fuck is this MIDI? it's just every song from the megaman soundtrack strung together?

>>12018597
I personally always found it weird looking as to why the skulls have angry eyebrow shaped ridges in the sideways sprites, but the front facing sprites have a straight smooth scowl looking eyebrow ridge. I just think the front facing angry bumped shaped eyebrow ridges looks nicer for consistency.

I forgot how ball busting the DRLA monster pack is
>Hitscan Cacos and Arachnotrons
>Shadow hitscan marine that dashes
>Cyberdemon that shoots homing bouncing grenades
Why, Yholl...? Why...?

>>12020117
What do you mean by hitscan cacos?

>>12020117
>those fleshy Lost Soul equivalents that can devour even a cybie

>>12020120
This bitch. From the description I guess I was wrong: they're Arachnotron replacements?

>>12020124
I'm almost certain that enemy alone makes using The Bee an awful idea.
>Picked up The Bee while playing TNT Evilution
>A hitscan heavy and very dark wad
Pain.

>>12020131
Also Yholl has agreed that "Yes those bouncing grenades ARE bullshit!" He made them bounce and seek players to address the problem of being able to circle strafe those cyberdemons without ever being at risk.
He did too good of a job.

>>12020107
well, shit, that was good. You're good. I guess I don't suck that much.. You almost ate it hugging the pain elemental near those revenants, but it was the best spot. I totally missed the blue armor room somehow. You found a BFG like magic which I didn't. Your order of going through areas really seemed to work out for the best as the monster teleporter didn't leave you puzzled as to where the fuck are the enemies are coming from. here's a bunch of maps from that person all in one wad. https://files.catbox.moe/ez0vbi.wad

>>12020141
thanks. the BFG was really easy to find because I always hump walls that show up as white on the automap

>>12020134
I can sympathize with having to balance around a mod where the player consolidates a lot of power to keep a challenge. Though I feel like that grenade is a bit too oppressive in claustrophobic environments. But of course it's impossible to account for every type of level design.

>>12020158
Such is the nature of making gameplay mods. It doesn't help Yholl generally leans towards the sadistic side of things.

>>12019987
Yeah, exit door is broken. I don't think I want to single segment this, too little health and too much archviles

>>12020237
It's fixed in the super wad pack here >>12020141
It's map 3.

Damn advanced ports are cool actually. Just started playing Heartland on Eternity and am blown away by all that verticality.

>>12020281
It's a port that I really wish had more than two dozen wads and an unfinished Mace mod to its name after 24 years.
Alas, actually mapping for it is a pain in the cock. The in-game automap doesn't help matters either.

>>12019982
>Tom Clancy's

>>12020281
Eternity is cool port. Hellspawn Spectrum is quite nice wad too. But sad reality is that after the next mbf update, Eternity is gonna be much more outdated than woof/nugget/dsda.

3 more hours to Call Of The Void. Playing Sewer Jam while waiting and it's funny that while it sounds boring as fuck, it's actually one of best map-center jams.

>>12020470
I'm sure that one Romanian fella has got it in the end, but he is alone out there. If he passes away or steps down, the port is screwed. Other contributors moved on or took a job at Nightdive, and haven't looked back anymore. It's sad.

Apparently map-center is releasing another jam today with Void assets, that's one of their biggest jams. Lot of Q2 to play soon.

2 hours

>>12020512
Cool.
I'm back on my retro FPS mood now I've escaped my several month long RPG binge and just saw the Icarus video on Call of the Void. I've got nothing to do for the next week due to holiday time I have to use so I guess I'm spending it shooting Strogg.

>q2
lol. lmao.

>>12020563
As annoying as it is, a lot of the community is into this shit. I just ignore it these days provided the levels are actually good.

>>12020563
If you're a doomfag you have no right to be making fun of Quake 2 for this, the Doom community is even faggier and worse.

>>12020567
>>12020572

>>12020563
I can't imagine playing Q2 with textures filtering.

>>12020563
Where is this from? Likely a slipseer mod knowing the state of that place.

>>12020572
I'm in both and holy shit, you're right. Doom's community really fucking insufferable most of the time, Quake's is honestly very chill so far? At least I don't see them cannibalizing each other for clout every other day or throwing fits because their work doesn't get the recognition they want.

We all know /Doom/ is the best place to hang out for that game, anyway.

>>12020576
Call Of The Machine.

>>12020563
>nooo i cant play the whole game or any of it's mods, because one unit in machinegames expansion had a playable fag marine
Get triggered and cry, bitch. Rest of us are gonna have fun blasting stroggs, niggurs and stroggified niggurs today.

I still don't like the Quake 2 Blaster.

>>12020584
I feel that Q1 community died with Tronyn. He was the heart and soul of the modding scene.

Q2 community is very active and very chill.

>>12020589
Nobody likes it. Not even with the toxic bolts in Unseen mission pack. Meh weapon, but so is Doom's pistol.

>>12020512
Naw, q4 in q2 jam is finishing up first. It'll be a while before there is a CotV jam.

>>12020596
Ah damn. Then I've been fed with false info. Good stuff coming anyway.

>>12018460
0:50 https://files.catbox.moe/nowtyi.lmp
this is 2 segments (I almost succeeded in 1) so doesn't count

>>12020589
You're not meant to like it, it's a punishment for wasting your ammo.

>>12020572
We are the doom community, niggerbitch.

>>12020610
Still an atrocious starter weapon. I disagree with Id's design philosophy of making starting weapons so fucking bad it makes the rest of the arsenal good in comparison.
The big Build three handled this better.

>>12020590
Nah Tronyn hadn't mapped regularly for like 8 years before Mjolnir's first demo released. The community was kept alive by map jams from a pretty homo community, but it was going very strong. It's slowed down because people move on.

Mjolnir was definitely what I was looking forward to the most from Quake, but the project is on indefinite hold without Tronyn's direction I hear. A great shame. Fella named Shadesmaster who was working on Mjolnir with Tronyn, Qmaster, and ORL is working on his own mod called Sacrilege. It's bretty gud, takes a lot of influence from Scourge of Armagon. He's accepting map submissions for a Sacrilege jam that's currently belated last I heard.

There's currently a huge vacuum for "guy who makes epic Quake maps." ORL, the guy behind Ter Shibboleth, could definitely fill Tronyn's shoes, but I think after Ter Shib's less than stellar reception that won't happen. There's also the guys behind SMEJ, that had some epic maps I hear (never got around to it myself). All in all, Quake is waiting for someone or a group of someone's to take the community for another heyday.

>>12020616
Do you have any info what happened to Tremor, Waning Madness, Fathomless Reach and The Absolution? They were all "coming soon" on 2022, but then it seemed that all development of these seemingly amazing map sets just ceased to exist. Was there some major shitstorm that drove lot of mappers away?

is it worth staying on the original release of Q2 Enhanced for the railgun unnerf mod? Did subsequent versions fix/change enough to make it worth it? Do you think Call Of The Void will play nice with all versions of Enhanced?

>>12020574
I’m 50-50 on it for Quake 2: Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don’t, so I go back and forth. I’ve noticed the skyboxes are a big factor for me, I don’t like how they like without filters.

>>12020641
What versions? I think there was just a one hotfix for remaster, but not even a real actual patch.

>>12020646
yeah sorry, I just know they updated it - guessing that's the hotfix - and the unnerf mod was no longer compatible. maybe it was just the one other version that got released then.

>>12020645
Nightly q2pro has gl_bilerp_skies.

>>12020641
>Do you think Call Of The Void will play nice with all versions of Enhanced?
Any Q2 mod more complex that includes any sort of code modification is already completely incompatible with any other code modification without being fully recompiled.

>>12020635
Tremor is 100% still being worked on. The rate at which it's being worked on, who knows.
>Waning Madness
>The Absolution
Vaporware. Suspend hope.
>Fathomless Reach
Depends on how Markie feels. You can probably just ask him. I wish he'd finish Reliquary myself. That's a neat little riff on Quake gameplay.
>major shitstorm
Not really. People get older, get more responsibilities. Copper? Underdark Overbright? That all happened when Lunaran was unemployed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9t_5yS4Qg&t=39s

>>12020649
gotcha, I'll install the latest then. thanks

>>12020652
Damn, I was really looking forward for Absolution with it being a Quake/Doom-hybrid.

>>12020648
Nice, now I’ve got it and KMQ2 (unintentionally) providing filtered sky support. I wish Q2pro had better support for the map jams, though.

>>12015412
>>12018460
0:52 https://files.catbox.moe/if131u.lmp
My final, tired of grinding this. Many things are luck-related (that monsters don't mess with the bridge for example)

>>12020670
meant for challenge >>12015830 not the newspost lol

>>12020616
Slipseer wanted to be that group, but they were too busy sowing drama and making pretty but otherwise generic maps in an attempt to get hired by devs.

>>12020585
>Call Of The Machine.
Ah. I never got around to that. I played the mission packs and Quake 64 with the remaster, but burned out before I could get to the actual new content.

>>12020685
Blue Monday is good and that was by them. Plus the AD jams.

>>12020691
Probably shouldn't bother responding to that Anon, he has a raging hate-boner for Slipseer.

>>12020685
Do Slipseer even do anything these days? I might have missed a few releases. I thought Dwell was overrated but I loved Alkaline almost as much as Arcane Dimensions.

here we go lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jkpK4swtuo

>>12020689
Despite the memes, it's a very good expansion. Very fun in coop especially.

>>12020741
My penis is ready

>>12020741
that was fucking awesome

>>12020741
Oh boy, my weekend is decided. I'm pretty hyped about CotV, so I hope it lives up to expectations.

>>12020741
>the Chthon teaser
oh baby

haha oh man the pirahna bots

>>12020804
It's pretty funny, reminds me of the goldfish bot in TimeSplitters we al banned each other from using back on the PS2, only normal sized.

What's the first map for Call of the Void? I apparently borked my Q2 install with the PSX mod so I want to start the map through the console.

>>12020820
Once you have the mod loaded you can type newgame_q1q2 to start the intro cutscene.

>Drugod
This guy is the leader of the team that made Doom & Blood crossover mod, cool.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/bloom-doomblood-crossover

>>12020828
Not working. Do you know which of these maps is loaded after the intro that's supposed to play?
>newbase
>newbase2b
>oldbase1
>oldbase2
>oldbase3
I'm going to assume it's not "finalbase.bsp"

>>12020843
The first map is oldbase1

>>12020842
Dude goes batshit if he doesn't think he's got enough praise for his Sonichu shit.

>>12020852
>Sonichu shit
Perfectly phrased. I never bothered with bloom because just putting two good games together is lazy and creatively dead.

>release mod based on GPL code
>immediately violate GPL by not releasing modified source along with it
why are Q2 ""modders"" like this

>>12020864
We had a similar argument going about a week back over sourceports violating licenses, shit basically amounts to "I want this so I'm taking it".

>>12020864
But they literally did?

>>12020856
Shit opinion. Bloom is fun.

>how can I make this arena more interesting?
>I’ll simply put one million imps in a monster closet
>maybe even a handful of revenants
I learned from the best, baby.

>>12020856
>>12020879
Bloom is ok but it's not this big, mindblowing experience.

I had more difficulty fighting the often breaking scripting than I did the enemies.

>>12020874
I don't see the link to it on their moddb page.

>>12016970
Caleb is underrated as a character, for sure.

>>12020879
The idea of it is fun, the maps are shit and visually awful

Are there any must-play Blood mods OTHER than Deathwish? I NEED more.

>>12020908
I don't know where it is, but this is from their gog page
>Source code and FGD file available for the community to expand content.

>>12020925
The infograph has some good suggestions.

Damn, the whole infograph word has left a sour taste in my mouth.

>>12020901
Broken scripts are part of the gzdoom experience.

>>12020852
>>12020856
>Sonichu
You people are fucking stupid.

Shambler medics with double lightning guns are my new favorite.

Oh, it's this faggot again.

>>12020948
How Chris went about creating Sonichu:
Pikachu is cool
Sonic is cool

How did Bloom get made:
Doom is cool
Blood is cool

the dynamite in bloom sucks, bigly

>>12020918
I'm feeling sort of the opposite: I think he's almost overshadowing the other major Build protags at this point.
>>12020925
You've got French Meat episode 1 and 2, Eviction, Fleshed Out, Marrow, Willard, you've got a lot of choices but you should really play 500ml of /vr/ above all else.

A mod that combines Chex and Hexen: Chexen.

>>12020960
>I think he's almost overshadowing the other major Build protags at this point.
Eh... maybe within a close-knit community like /vr/ he rates that highly. But realistically, Duke stands head and shoulders above all other Buildguys... even now. If you name off 90's icons, he's near the front of the line along with the likes of Lara Croft, etc.

>>12020954
Yep, you should definitely 41% yourself.

>>12020741
So how is it so far? Something tells me it's not going to be that amazing.

>>12020968
As long as the Chentaurs can't block, I'm game.

>>12020670
>tired of grinding this
Ye I think the map is one of the funnest to play, but trying to speedrun it is frustrating. My preferred method of playing is just to throw myself at the level over and over until something works. It's pretty thoughtless but it's exciting, but on this level, with the randomized starts, my way takes like 5x longer. I said I would do it so I need to finish before next thread

>>12020969
>Eh... maybe within a close-knit community like /vr/ he rates that highly.
Communities outside of this thread is what I'm most referencing, especially in those "boomshoot" spawning pools that came about near 2020. I don't even know how much people care about Lara these days. At the least I feel confident in Caleb and Blood not being "underrated" anymore, especially in the wake of all these Blood port options.

>>12020990
try starting at blue key like i do
it's a very easy setup, just don't turn at the start

>>12020968
>A mod that combines Chex and Hexen: Chexen.
Chex, Duke, Hexen, Heretic, CyClones, Strife and Legend of the Seven Paladins: Seven CyCheduxetifens 3D

>>12021002
>Chex, Duke, Hexen, Heretic,
Well, that much is already done in Samsara.

>is that heckin slaughterslop?
>that is NOT ok!
>through the power invested in me by the mindset of a scorned teenage girl, I shall be eternally passive aggressive!

>>12020973
Finished in about 2 and a half hours. It's good fun, and the level design is neat with some good Quake callbacks. I'd give it like 7 or 8/10.

>>12015830
Quite the wild ride. 4:13 uv-speed using randomized starts https://files.catbox.moe/5eno3r.lmp
This is one of the easier spawn locations, hence the successful run. The berserk+invincibility spawn is also very good. When spawning here, I go backpack, plasma, SSG, BFG, mega armor, berserk, invuln, rockets, blue key, exit. I went for the red key on a whim here on my way to the exit

Brutal Chex Quest

>>12021152
Anon that's been a thing for about a decade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9kWFySInLQ

>>12015412
Just a heads up for the next thread, Call of the Void is already out
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-ii-call-of-the-void/downloads/call-of-the-void-version-1-0
Enjoy /vr/doom/ the mod is curiously named q1q2 since q2+2 is the quake 4 project

Spent a couple days staring at the north west wing wondering what to do with it. After I figured it out, I spent last night reworking the blue key arena and items.
I think I'll be able to finish it this weekend.

Any anons having some odd, mostly performance issues with Call of the Void? Seems like it hitches a little or things aren't playing at 60 FPS sometimes, and a few of the new monsters don't play their alert/pre-attack sounds. Getting gangbanged by those gladiator-ogres because I didn't see or hear them is fun.

Issues aside, I think I'm enjoying it. Haven't gotten through much of it yet Ithink, though some of the fights seem a little psychotic in a pretty Doom way. I don't know, I think point-blanking the player with 4 robovores with the grenade launcher is just a bit unhinged and I ultimately like that aspect.

>>12020652
>Tremor is 100% still being worked on.
Any screenshots dropped lately or it's just words from people involved?

>>12021214
Do you need the long corridors?

>>12021235
Those look long to you?

>>12021242
Bro has a small corridor, it's nothing to be a shamed of.

>>12019054
Holy. Fucking. Lmao.
Ok I'm just gonna break this into bullet points:

Where we are:

> I **literally** told you this would happen. Actually go back to 2 threads ago or whatever and I specifically told you that this is exactly what is gonna happen.
> So what did you do? You decided to blackmail every pro-megaman person into giving up on the *temporary* update of the doom pic that was gonna be used *temporarily* and in fact into pretending that we are all one person - specifically to pander to the schizo anti-megaman troll who I guess you perceived as more dominant (read: samefaggy) and thus worthy of your subservience
> As much as I hate people ordering me around I specifically stopped saying anything about megaman just like I said I would in the beginning of the thread >>12016867 - specifically to let you see how perfectly I called what was about to happen: as soon as the megaman discussion temporarily stopped, the anti-infographic schizo found a new wad to get mad about.
> And because you have 0 balls you were ready to drop both NERF (don't even fucking know what that is) *and* megaman at the behest of some bitter faggot who will find a reason to oppose any update anyway

> As if we needed more proof of the anti-infographic schizo being schizo - he came up with a new retarded conspiracy theory that makes no sense
Please note the one dimensional binary brainlet logic he always uses:
> durr he puts spaces between paragraphs - clearly only one person on the planet does this
No, you fucking moron. Anybody who knows anything about reading comprehension does this to make their post more readable.
> hurr he like gets angry when being called a samefag so that means he's a samefag
No, it can actually mean literally fucking anything, you wannabe-Sherlock. For instance: it can mean a person is sick of how retarded your "deductions" are - which there are now at least two people who qualify for that description, but I'm sure there are more.

(cont.)

>>12021242
The one leading the the lava room is fairly long. But usually you shouldn't need corridors at all.

>>12021256
>>12019054

Who I am:

Just to be clear: I wrote maybe ~30-50% of the pro-megaman and in general pro-updating the infographic posts these last couple of months.
I'm from a second wave of mega man people who started talking about this when I saw the ridiculous bullshit that jannies were getting away with in terms of suppressing free speech - in particular literally anything to do with megaman.

You are *literally* a fourth (4th) guy to attempt to update the infographic who got fucked over. Third was me, second was the guy before me and the first was the original mm-autist (who wasn't even that autistic to be honest).
That's why I knew that this would happen.

Again, I'll just emphasize a couple of things:
> I don't personally prefer your "old website" style of the infographic but I respect that you went for it and I definitely respect that you decided to donate your time and effort and contribute to this community by redoing the whole thing which definitely is called for.
> We may not see eye to eye on everything, but you are objectively infinitely superior to the bitter hateful losers who do their best to keep us stagnating and keeping the old infographic at any cost became their key goal for whatever autismo reason
> If you are final on your decision to stop doing the infographic which it seems like you are, we are back to the slightly updated version of it here: https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIa

> I don't give a single flying fuck about retarded criticisms like "durr it's not already perfect so let's just use the older worse version". This is an objective update, that takes nothing out and adds 3 important conversions. It's the latest version and thus it's the one that should be used.
> I absolutely **will** call it out every single time somebody uses the old link instead - on purpose or not.

>>12021256
>>12021273
pete took off the trip

When I was coding it I was worried projectiles might come back and fly from the behind. Instead I created smart projectiles.

>>12021219
no hitch issues here and have finished it here friend. I did get one crash when I went down an elevator back into a level because my sense of direction is terrible and was looking where to go after getting the power cube. when booting it back up, the autosave had the level I was going to and loaded fine. no other issues observed.

>>12021235
I guess I could shorten them, but they don’t feel that long when playing.

>>12021256
>>12021273

Where do we go from here?

> These posts may very well get wiped or at least I may get banned since it seems like some megaman anons already got the hammer in these recent threads.
> Please save these posts as well as the new infographic-guy posts so we have a record not just of j-abuse but also of the anti-progress schizo who keeps sabotaging any attempt at updating the infographic
> I don't know what the new wave of jannies will bring, but if we go back to the janitorial oppression we will have to unite against this and always always always screenshot their bullshit and add it to the archive that that one guy was keeping so mods can see the result of their jannies' work (and hopefully fix it) and find a way to communicate with each other about their bs
> I could definitely try to become a janny to make sure the moderation is objective and fair but I'm not a fucking loser with hours of free time, so alas that's not an option
> Maybe I or somebody else will make further updates to the doom pic but so far this is the latest one https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIa

I actually think new-infographic guy *should* have a trip code and maybe I will get one as well so the schizo can't keep calling us the same person with "durr hecking identical writing style"

>>12021214
Looking forward to play this!

>>12021256
>>12021273
>>12021285
I'll definitely screenshot this whole thread. It's never been this clear that the 1 or 2 schizo/troll anti-update fucks are working to sabotage the update or any other form of progress no matter what. Hopefully this inspires a fourth wave of pro-update people. We definitely need people to not be silent in the face of bullshit that I feel is about to come.
I'm also willing to fix some stuff on the infographic about outdated doom launchers if somebody clearly writes out what needs to be changes since I'm not a tech-savvy guy in that sense

>>12021269
>>12021283 (me)
Should I replace corridors with additional combat rooms?

>892 words, 5007 characters
Nigger what

>>12021269
>you shouldn't need corridors at all
Conjecture.

>>12021294
It's usually a good idea to just have rooms flow directly from other rooms, corridors aren't that fun and don't add anything, usually.

But that all depends on what you want your map to be.

>>12021295
tl;dr: new infographic guy despite having the best intentions in the world got fucked over and sabotaged just like 3 or more people who tried to update the infographic before him.
Every one of those people were perfectly reasonable (aside from the original one granted) but all of them faced either wipe-n-bans, egregious samefagging from the antimm schizo, consistent new threads with the old link for no reason and actual conspiracy theories now. All to stop the infographic from being updated. Which makes me think it has something to do with the current infographic link keeping guy who's ego doesn't let him change anything in his precious little link