Thread 12027656

why didnt they just release this version in the first place

Are there any romhacks that make the AI/CPU in these games feel like a balanced challenge instead of pucking Kabal ir whoever to just cheese it?

you're really gonna diss my boi MK3 like that

>>12027656 (OP)
They signed a deal with sony and his psx in 1994-1995 for normal MK3.

>>12027656 (OP)
because they wanted to give arcade owners a boost after the console ports.
the shitty part is that they planned umk3 day 1.

the only thing funnier than releasing kabal so overpowered in vanilla mk3 was not fixing him at all in ultimate. they got rid of comboing from buzz saw which just made the move useless. a lot of people dont even realize he has that move because there is literally no point to ever use it. but who cares? he has a 1 frame startup move that beats everything and gives you half their life at least. you just have to wonder what was going thru these peoples minds

>>12028547
Yes. Vanilla MK3 was the boo boo

>>12028832
that's fucking bullshit motherfucker

>>12027656 (OP)
it would not be the ultimate then

>>12027656 (OP)
If you noticed MK team is always trying to replace old characters then backpedaling to bring them back. Also yeah arcades were mad they released ports so early so they had to do something

>>12027656 (OP)
Release where? On home consoles it's atrocious and inferior to MK3

>>12029925
>>12028832
>>12028547
MK3 was very disappointing in every way upon release. Why didnt they just put fucking Scorpion in the game in the first place? I remember getting MK3 on Genesis having not played it in the arcades, and I was so let down.

>>12030929
my cope was that cyrax was scorpion turned into a robot. so the net took the place of his spear

>>12027656 (OP)
Anon, developers have deadlines

>>12027656 (OP)
i'm more perplexed at why the legacy collection needs 4 versions of MK3. trilogy or UMK3 should be more than enough for MK3 and wavenet just feels redundant since every game in the collection already has online play.

>>12027662
someone ported MK1,MK2,UMK3 & trilogy to mugen along with demaking MK4 vanilla.

they made the AI more fair in said ports.

vanilla mk3 felt more thematically consistent than umk3. i like it better. deal with it.

>>12027656 (OP)
Who cares? The fatalities were shit compared to 2. The stages were quite cool though

>>12027662
The ai IS FUCKED.

>>12031098
>remove your most iconic fighters
>"thematically consistent"
brain damage got this one before we could save them

>>12027662
Those were arcade games mean to drain your quarters.

>>12031012
Don't know about MK3 but UMK3 was functionally extremely different on consoles. Maybe the Saturn port was "arcade accurate" (except you could still do juggles not in the arcade), but the 16-bit ports were closer to MK Trilogy Lite with a slightly larger roster and some different finishers. Noob Saibot got his own move list and specials, bosses were playable with cheats, Rain was included, Sheeva was taken out, all the UMK3 secret characters were unlocked from the start, etc.

>>12027656 (OP)
cause sony was willing to pay for a rushed timed exclusive

>>12031672
what the fuck is that supposed to mean

>>12031012
>wavenet just feels redundant
Wavenet is there for archival reasons, as that ROM was never publicly dumped.

>>12031012
This >>12033006 and UMK3 Wave Net has final balance changes.

>>12030929
What the fuck? MK3 is fucking good. Nobody cares about fucking Stryker anyway.

>>12033595
it plays better but back when these games released people were way more concerned with the fatalities and just how "cool" the game was i would say. half of mk3's fatalities look unfinished. the animalities sucked and they should not have even bothered with those. in the end it doesnt really matter that much when umk3 is just miles more fun to actually play than mk1 or mk2 but i think thats why people say it was disappointing.

>>12027656 (OP)
Noob saibot was op

>>12027656 (OP)
I believe they wanted MK3 to be released at the same time as the Mortal Kombat movie

>>12033595
>MK3 is fucking good
it was mixed on release

idk why devs felt the need to reboot rosters in fighters

>>12031098
>vanilla mk3 felt more thematically consistent than umk3. i like it better. deal with it.
Ehh idk. You might think the lack of Outworld fighters makes it so, but it doesn't in the details since the story is literally about Outworld invading Earth

And people always overstate the "urban vibes" only like half the levels are streets and subways etc, the other half is still hell and gothic dungeons etc, and Shao Kahn and Motaro are still the bosses

>>12034243
>idk why devs felt the need to reboot rosters in fighters
What does it matter, you can just not play them while other people who want to can, it's a non issue really

Final revision of vanilla had less bugs than the rom upgrade's final revision. They were UI bugs that didn't affect gameplay, but still.

>>12032472
exactly what it means; sony paid for a rushed sequel to push hardware sales. then midway went back and finished the game, with ultimate and made sony fume by releasing ultimate on saturn. this in turn gave birth to trilogy.

yes, mk3 was on 16bit systems, but it was ass and sony didn't care about last gen. they wanted to push playstation sales and it sorta did. can't say it swayed many, but it showed everyone how much better then current gen was vs last gen.

basically it was a propaganda piece. but, as mentioned, it didn't last because ultimate came out. kinda funny tho, they tried what nintendo did with sf2ww and got the sf2sce/sf2hf treatment.

>>12035834
Wasn't everybody also bitching about having no palette-swap ninjas (even though the cyborgs were the same thing) and so Midway took the time updating MK3 to get new actors?

>>12035860
so everyone claims, but I don't recall that much outrage. honestly, I don't think anyone cared. like ya said, the cyborgs stole their spot. even if fans didn't complain enough to add them into ultimate, they would have made their way into trilogy anyway.

>>12035890
Me, I just find it hilarious that vanilla MK3 includes Noob Saibot and he's an all-black Kano because there's no ninjas.

>>12034243
Yup. Nintendo did it right with Smash Melee, bringing back all the characters people loved from 64.

>>12034243
because these games tend to tell stories and have narratives which necessarily means characters join or fuck off for reasons

>>12036268
>fighting game
>story

I thought vanilla MK3 lacked ninjas because the mocap guy from the first two games quit. I know they fired Johnny Cage and killed him off.

>>12035890
There were people who cared. MK3 came out around the same time as the very popular movie, which was based on the first two games and had Scorpion and Sub Zero and Reptile prominently and also the fact that in terms of fandom, Svorp/Sub were basically the Ryu/Ken of the series as they were the more popular poster boys than Liu/Johnny

>>12035890
everyone cared and complained

>>12036280
>I didn't read it so it didn't exist
With MK the die hard fans care a lot about the lore. It dominates every MK message board since the inception of message boards

Lorefags are the root of MK fandom just like Toyfags are the root of Transformers comicfags are the root of capeshit etc. It stands out from other fighting games where competitive fags are the backbone keeping fandom alive

>>12036280
Shit Anon, you think that is less interesting then "an ancient Evil as awoken"?

>>12036280
Anon I don't think you get the joke of this meme

>>12028832
what was the yogi?

>>12027656 (OP)
Because Midway liked to make money back then.

>>12035860
I was like 10 but I was pissed.

>>12031012
most people remember their childhood console version, no one is looking to run arcade tourneys with this collection. we don't even know which revisions they're using

Contrary to popular belief classic sub zero and ermac finishers are in the game files, the truth is that they were already in development and were removed because they just wanted to sell the game twice like capcom did with SF2

>>12037826
Is that confirmed though because it could just as likely be time or data constraints as MK games always seemed to deal with.

Hell the whole reason pallet swaps were a thing was because it was an easy way to get all the their character ideas without making new costumes makeup etc, if you watch MK2 commercials you can see Reptile was imagined as a lizard back then and that the ninjas all had custom individual masks etc which wouldn't show up in games till MK4 where they stopped using actors\digitized sprites

>>12037485
That stance is so weird

>>12037485
>Chameleon
this bitch fucking sucks

>>12027656 (OP)
The movie was coming out and they needed to have a new game released next to it. Also sony paid for PSX exclusivity.

So in short: money.

>>12037826
they also fucked up showing female ninja recording in the mk3 documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs4tAuiANQE

>>12033938
I would literally become a gay faggot for da Noob

shit takes time

>>12040504
hell yeah, Kanomania is runnin wild brother
look at this Kano that I just found

>>12031228
and the input reading still happens on the console ports. its just shit design.

>>12039470
why the fuck would they do that?

>>12041441
well its just random costume recording footage. whoever made this didn't know some content was being held back on purpose.
it was pretty ballsy to hold back the ninjas on purpose, and it did hurt the brand for a bit.

still they got mk3 sales from console players and then brought players back to arcade for the update.
a FREE arcade update.

the only people who got screwed those who had to buy both mk3 and umk3 console ports
(back then i rented mk3 and bought umk3 on release after seeing they brought ninjas back in a magazine)

>>12027662
Yes, there's a Mortal Kombat II hack that does that.