Thread 12031409

>am starting a retro game collection to do YouTube play-alongs with.
>but everything is jacked to hell.
>I can emulate them like a cuck but no one would take that seriously since it does not respect the original devs vision.
>resorting to go to the mall store with the smelly workers with their bellies hanging out, and buying GBA cartridges
>no box or papers

This a crisis I am not seeing anyone discuss here, the classics are becoming rapidly unavailable to us on the general marketplace due to cuck "collectors" aka ebay resellers.

>>12031409 (OP)
You missed the bubble, move on

Just emulate

>I can emulate them like a cuck but no one would take that seriously since it does not respect the original devs vision
Genuine mental illness.

How many threads are you going to make? New janitor can't come soon enough.

>>12031409 (OP)
I don't understand the whole "sky is falling" stuff. 99.9% of retro games cost less than a modern game on ebay while providing 10x the fun. Like right now you can go on ebay, type in Pikmin 2, and have an incredible game with original box and manual delivered to your door for $50.

>>12031419
YouTube audiences don't respect emulation. They demand authenticity, otherwise there is zero barrier to entry.

>>12031409 (OP)
What even is this post? Smells like an anti-collector falseflag.

>>12031427
I don't know why you say that. People love watching youtube vids about Mister updates and analog pocket handhelds.

>>12031427
>go to do a youtube play along of the original Mega Man
>costs an entire months salary of a worker at Burger King

Yeah it is a dystopia

>>12031409 (OP)
Man, you could be talking about things and not reacting to what retards say. Don't stare into that Abyss, anon, it isn't too late to be a Real Boy™.

>>12031434
I don't consider emulation real. Save states make you never quite certain if whether what you're watching is authentic or not. Furthermore, controllers have a different response time compared to the original NES controllers. Even a fraction of a difference is enough to change the entire experience.

What the fuck is a YouTube play-along? ESL?

>>12031441
kek is this fag for real

>>12031409 (OP)
>no one would take that seriously
Everyone who actually matters would not care.

Jajajajajajaja you missed cheap retros poorfag you're ten years late now go emulation like the good little cuck you are

>>12031458
t. Pedro Hernandez Gonzalez

>>12031409 (OP)
>am starting a YouTube play-alongs with.
Not retro

>>12031441
Is this stupid bitch serious?

>>12031409 (OP)
>am starting a retro game collection to do YouTube play-alongs with
Scrap this idea entirely.

Nobody really cares if you own the original games and have them on a bookshelf. The people who watch Let's Plays AFAIK are mostly interested in the feeling of vicariously "co-pilot" someone's playthrough.
I.e. They'll care about your personality, voice and if you're entertaining or not, not your collection.

>>12031409 (OP)
>retro scene
Lmao what? I just play whatever I want with emulation/hardware whatever happens to be convenient at the moment. We are gonna die, just have fun.

>>12031423
I noticed a lot of these threads all seem to follow the same "theme".

>>12031409 (OP)
The non retard way of doing things
OG Hardware + Flashcards, ODE modchips and softmodding depends on the system of course
Or just emulate

>>12031427
YouTube audiences are -50 IQ brown children and transtenders.

At the 2024 Mikado event in Europe someone ripped all the cabinets open and made a custom board so someone could play shmups on them with a saturn controller. The retro communities actually playing the games don't care about this shit. That's how you find the actually decent ones.

>>12031409 (OP)
its mainly a narrow milennial hipster niche focused on nintendo crap. retro gaming around commdore, amga, spectrum and emulation and homebaked coding is thriving. I would not be suprised if nintendo marketing is responsible for 50% of the cancer via free access to their product . Cunts pretending they had NES in the 80s or N64s and gamecubes who only first ecountered any of that brand with a 3DS or a Wii. Utter cunts. Pure reddit and soaked in millenial hipster fapping to themselves. I sill find stuff looking in charity shops, PS2 games, 2600 cartridges, PSP, controllers, PC games. There's great value in 7th gen titles and consoles still. Even PS1 games are very affordable. Original working 8 and 16 bit computers are going up steeply right now though, Nintendo is bollocks and its a very wierd world based on shitting on and disrupting everything else and very full of obvious liars who were never around for the first generations of consles and games but have very strong and wierd views that don't align at all with what was happening in the 80s 90s or 00s for example, look outside it and retro is healthy. Random site,

https://www.indieretronews.com/

Youtube is the land of 'viral brand marketing' how many grown adults have you seen proudly displaying fucking plushies with a wall of Nintendo shit? These people were never into retro games to begin with they just want to belong to something anything. They'd have wound up hanging out scientology flyers if Nintendo and reddit had not got to them first.

>>12031414
The bulk of my mine that is now valuable is the stuff I bought in the 90s, still with the price sticker on and the rest mainly came from charty shops and a chain store that used sell games for a few dollars equivalent or even 50 cents. Did I walk in and buy one each of everything they had that was a couple of dollars or less years ago? Fuck yeah no one wanted it. I don't resell and never have. I'm just randy marsh amd wanted my own blockbuster.

>>12031409 (OP)
A lot of streamers emulate though. They only have the retro collection as props for a backdrop for fake "credibility".

>>12031409 (OP)
There is no fucking way I'm going to touch game boxes and manuals that someone else has touched, potentially paying dollars to a nigger who hasn't washed their hands after taking a dump. If I didn't buy the game I want to play brand new at the time and it's not in my collection, I download the ROM/ISO and play it on real hardware. Period. If the game is ever ported or potentially remade with soul to a modern console, then I will add it to my collection if it is good. The end. I'm not going to pay a nigger millions of dollars for his cartridges/discs that he's shat all over.

This is a quality thread.

Anyway, you should have been busy convincing the mass populace that retro games are racist and sexist so that they shun them.

>>12031591
Niggers don't sell retro games except to pawn shops for sneaker and joint money.

>>12031409 (OP)
>This a crisis I am not seeing anyone discuss here
everyone knows about it, it's just not worth discussing anymore

>>12031591
>There is no fucking way I'm going to touch game boxes and manuals that someone else has touched, potentially paying dollars to a nigger who hasn't washed their hands after taking a dump.

>germs germs everywhere baaahhaaa!

ur a nut many of my games were bought ex rental 30 year ago. I'm still alive and the games are fine too

>>12031601
>>12031568
>its mainly a narrow milennial hipster niche focused on nintendo crap. retro gaming around commdore, amga, spectrum and emulation and homebaked coding is thriving. I would not be suprised if nintendo marketing is responsible for 50% of the cancer via free access to their product . Cunts pretending they had NES in the 80s or N64s and gamecubes who only first ecountered any of that brand with a 3DS or a Wii. Utter cunts. Pure reddit and soaked in millenial hipster fapping to themselves. I sill find stuff looking in charity shops, PS2 games, 2600 cartridges, PSP, controllers, PC games. There's great value in 7th gen titles and consoles still. Even PS1 games are very affordable. Original working 8 and 16 bit computers are going up steeply right now though, Nintendo is bollocks and its a very wierd world based on shitting on and disrupting everything else and very full of obvious liars who were never around for the first generations of consles and games but have very strong and wierd views that don't align at all with what was happening in the 80s 90s or 00s for example, look outside it and retro is healthy. Random site,
>https://www.indieretronews.com/
>Youtube is the land of 'viral brand marketing' how many grown adults have you seen proudly displaying fucking plushies with a wall of Nintendo shit? These people were never into retro games to begin with they just want to belong to something anything. They'd have wound up hanging out scientology flyers if Nintendo and reddit had not got to them first.

Based coomlectors pricing out vapid jewtubers

>>12031568
>Even PS1 games are very affordable.
nah that ship unfortunately has sailed. pretty much everything except for the most bottom of the barrel austin powers pinball tier shovelware or sports games is having a boom

went to my local game shop and the only shit on the shelf was sports games and licensed dreck, everything even half-noteworthy was behind glass lol

>>12031409 (OP)
why are flash carts completely absent from these peoples radars? Flash carts are not emulation just get one.

>>12031409 (OP)
i can't tell if that tv is huge or small.
it looks big there at the center next to the ceiling, but once you start looking around you notice a bigass dreamcast and arcade stick.

>>12031409 (OP)
Imagine caring what anyone thinks
I mean, I have good personal hygiene, so I guess I do to that extent, but beyond that...you do you girl, slay queen etc so in other words do not gaf. Happiness will ensue

>>12031983
It's probably 20-something inches. It's clearly a nook in a finished attic so the ceiling is low.as it sinks towards the floor.

>>12031426
For $50 I want a new factory-sealed copy of the game, not some greasy fat guy's sloppy seconds.

>>12031409 (OP)
>emulate them like a cuck
the irony

>>12031409 (OP)
>Buying retro for the sake of """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""content creation""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
You're a fucking idiot and a nigger.

>>12031409 (OP)
content creators just use fucking retroarch unless they already own it from their childhood you dumb-dumb

>>12031435
There's a megaman 4 cart for 5 dollars on ebay right now lmao.

>>12031525
thus OP

>>12031427
>YouTube audiences don't respect emulation
4M views emulating the King's Field games

>>12032081
Jesus christ that's fucking long. There's only four games, how much could he even say?

>>12031917
Coomlectors only care about how official the things they coomlect are, they don't care about actually playing games, so flashcarts have no use for them

>>12032085
King's Field are really long games

>>12031409 (OP)
Just buy a flashcart you 1view loser.

>>12031409 (OP)
take a long look in the mirror

physical only appeals to collectors and those too dumb to emulate.
used prices lock out casual gamers from the hobby.
if you want to use real hardware, move to flashcarts/piracy.

>>12032094
I have more than 1 viewer actually, I am up to about 8,000, in part because my subscribers aren't like typical subscribers and they are after genuine authentic experiences. An emulation is something they can all have at any point. But having the original system and cartridge is a novel experience for them, something they will likely never get to experience.

>>12031409 (OP)
yeah im just not paying retard prices i will softmod and emulate instead

>>12031512
well from op's personality itt it sounds like he's a fake faggot so he'd probably just act like a fake faggot too which may get temporary views from kids but is annoying to adults in the long term. so how about you just make longplays or something op.

>>12032115
Footage from a real NES or from Mesen is going to be identical on Youtube

>>12031409 (OP)
Wait a minute... you're telling me that things that are out of production become more scarce as time passes? This IS a crisis, holy shit!

>>12031409 (OP)
Do what you enjoy and anyone who thinks you're not playing it correctly can go fuck off and be 13 elsewhere.

>>12032090
You are wrong and don't, even understand what is happening and I have seen this before as I like watching auctions. Once stamps were expensive because they were part of people chldhood, pen pals and letters from far away exotic places,tinplate toys, lead model soldiers. As that generation aged people remembered their childhood and wanted to have the things they had only seen with their faces pressed up against shop windows, so built back collections of things they had lost during life from their childhoods. Tin plate toys became collectable antiques and the prices went up and as that generation died off, the prices for tinplate toys fell. As the generaton that collected stamps died off, the prices of stamps fell. That's probably why I like having old 8 bit machines and seing them tape load to me it is cool, Emulation is not the same.. Like most of us I suppose I would like a star wars arcade cabinet but they are over ten grand. No child alive now will pay ten grand for a star wars arcade cabinet though and in time they will just become wierd old crap no one cares about. Its the nature of life. As someone who plays games and built a collection when they were considered garbage I can tell you it brings me a lot of harmless fun and entertainment. I don't resell BUT I also don't consider them to have a deep sustainable value like fine art, precious metals, fine furniture, antique firearms. You see the same phenomenen with things like lego sets that were contemporary to the video games generations. What is fucked is the strange millennial nintendo plushie cult and their acquistion of machines that they never owned and that were never part of their childhood or youth as hipster status symbols and is a bit artificial and driven by viral nintendo brand advertising on you tube and reddit hipserism.

>>12032347
>you must have been a sad little boy with your face pressed against a shop window in 1983, pining for a toy you couldn't have. Only then are you granted a license to buy it 30 years later. Anyone else buying old stuff is a soulless redditor

There is another aspect to why games and machines I think that are cool that they probably won't live the association with the generations where they were peak childhood fun, electronic compoent aging. The reason prices for working 8 and 16 bit computers are rising is not just demand, it is that reapirs can be expensive, difficult and risky. Replaing capacitors or rows of memory ICs is whether you can do it or not skilled and they corrode and die with time as do membranes and other parts. Things like lasers in PS2s, capacitors in XBox, or electrolytic capacitors in 8 bit computers. That's why some things like gemstones, antique guns, oil paintings, silverware, gold jewlery sustains past multiple generations, the materials are durable for 100s of years as is the appeal. Is emulation the same? NO, it is not. The people with the memories want the actual machines, tapes, floppy disks and enjoy the noises and reminders of happy times decades ago. Agann the nintendo youtube/reddit millenial hipster cult is NOT retro gaming, it is a soulless clown show driven by people who would wear rotary telephones around their necks as status symbols because the internet damaged their brains and they see crap like gamecubes as entry into a highter status group. What annoys me is the vast majority never were much into retro games or gaming and aside from hording shit like N64 controllers also lie like rain and disrupt other peoples fun with their hipster pseud plushie bullshit because its not just I like nintendo stuff, It's I must like nintendo stuff and attack everything other than the cult of no real idenity youtube viral marketed nintendo bullshit that people who liked games and systems look at and laugh. Absolute non techies as well parroting something made of bullshit that another cult member said that impressed them when they heard it. and I have loads of emulated stuff by the way but it works best psychologically when its in the same form factor as the original machines

>>12032380
I had a great childhood thanks but also worked in computing and tech for 30 years so a lot of the stuff I have I at very least coded for at least once or was involved in some hardware design aspect like USB. Anyone buying gamecubes and N64 and mario plushies is far far more likely to be a souless milennial redditor YES, 100%. You got some but not all of my point. Milenneials reddit hipsterism and their obsession with brand..........anyone who was alive in the 90s knows no one who was into gaming gave a fuck about nintendo for example. They first encoutered the brand with the wii or 3ds. Milennials destroy everything they are involved in mainly die to their fucked up social media habits and lack of identity for themselves which latches onto past generations fashions and syles often in a soulless herd manner and gets it horribly wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I

>>12031409 (OP)
In other news, milennials are dickheads

>>12031409 (OP)
this room unsettles me.

>>12031409 (OP)
>original devs vision.
I can assure you they don't give a shit. Most were in it to make money like most capitalists. It's not a "'work of art" It's a game.

>>12032473
Nah, a lot of the 8 and 16 bit compuyer stuff was done by people who loved it and loved coding. They would have done it for free and sometimes still do.

>>12032456
vanity is.. a sin..

>>12032473
Ah yes, id Software released the Doom source code under the GPL "for profit"

>>12032485
Sure
>>12032516
You do realise how releasing the Doom source code benefitted ID? It was a very shrewd business decision. If you don't understand that you need to look into it more.

>>12031808
What were the big hitters for the PS1 are still around. I had wipeout 2097 and wanted wipeout. It cost me 10. I don't bother emulating stuff like PS1 and PS2 Xbox because I already have the machines and a CRT and lightguns setup so they are physical only. I do emulate for systems with old magnetic media that is either unobtainable or prone to being defective and for arcade cab stuff because the CRTs in arcade cabs are a fucking bitch. I only have a few arcade cabs and I don't know how the fuck people with stuff like vector graphics cabs keep them running but I respect their skills and passion keeping them alive to the talented goes the rewards I guess.

Tell you what though as a simple observation, physical media collecting is going to be fucking huge for the next 50 years or so if you think cartridge game collecting is strange with the price spikes just wait until it starts with 360 media and movie DVDs when that hits (and it will in fact that has already started) . Collections are actually cool whether they be of gemstones, old guns or movie posters or whatever if the people who make them are genuinely knowledgabe and passionate. Seeing people collect overpriced switch stuff at top dollar is just pathetic though. That shit is still being manufactured. The best time to get something you like is when everyone else thinks it is garbage and gives it away because they don't want it and if you liked it that's when you would have got it too if you cared. Condolances to people who were homeless or whatever, that's life. Did you know most of the best musems around today were founded on the donations of private collections? There was a time not that long ago when old pieces of armour from the renassiance was considered junk too (1860s). Step away from the nintendo youtube shit if you love retro games, it really was not that big a deal in the 90s or even the 80s and there is plenty of other stuff to explore and enjoy emulated or not

Ah good times.

>>12032532
How long ago was that? Wipeout XL is 30 now.

>>12032529
I downloaded doom from a BBS anon and as far as I'm conncered the internet died with Usenet, gopher and IRC. People like the old 2600 devs were turbo nerds and would have done it for free, same for a lot of the 80s computer stuff. The best stuff was craeted ultimately by obsessives in garages and gifted hobbiests usually with a large dose of futurist utopianism.They were screaming at the world that it was the future and getting laughed at.You are talking about the 90s and even then I remember beinng involved in stuff that dominates the world technolgically now and being told no one would want it by suits. If I had known the internet would have become what it is today I would never have written a line of code related to it though.

>>12032546
A few months ago. I was just browsing and saw it and said I''ll have that and I don;t buy much outside of estate auctions and thrift/charity stores. Its not just gaming, it spams lego, D&D, old fantasy and sci fi books etc etc. But the nintento millenial hipster bullshit on youtube is a seperate and entirely artificial pile of shit based on a cult of belonging via status symbols rather than any genuine passion or memberberries. These people will all be paying top dollar for whatev er millenial reddit tries to pretend they were into in their pasts but were not next, could be anything old science fictionn DVDs or whatever. Fake paper people playing paper mario rn though wearing gamecubes as status hats.

>>12032551
>at.You are talking about the 90s and even then I remember beinng involved in stuff that dominates the world technolgically now and being told no one would want it by suits.
Go on please ,I'm intrigued by this. any examples?

>>12032565
I'd dox myself anon. Sorry. No can do. When the dot com bubble formed everything went to shit anyway, coked up bullshit artists calling themselves investors (see musk), the HR industry and the fucking cancer that is MBAs and stupid crap like sigma six and scrum along with the eternal parasites of the legal profession. I don't know where the next generation of nerds is these days but I can't see them anywhere. Social media has a catestrophic effect on millenials though. Generation reddit.

>>12032572
maybe nerds will see a resurgence in real life activities, the bard archetypes

>>12032572
Yes my generation doesn't really compare to the pioneers writing in assembly code. I put it down to a kind of generational decline in intellectual curiosity. I suspect being the console generation didn't help either since PC started to get really expensive in the 90s or that was the perception anyway.

>>12032565
>Go on please ,I'm intrigued by this. any examples?
Actually here's one, a fat commie fuck called noam chomsky telling the planet that stuff like LLMs would never happen because he was an academic linguist and respected for being a loud mouthed self promoted commie ivory tower academic talking head . The other stuff that you use I was too well known for in the industry. Give me the right to be anon on that.

>>12032581
The barrier to making anything get's exponentially higher as complexity rises. When you are dealing with 1kb and an 8 bit processor you can mentally map it all now with the infinite extensions to instruction sets and incredible complexity of modern silicon and AI vector math its not like some 8 year old kid is going to pick up a manual at a car boot sale and start writing it in pencil is it. The only kid I know who I would call a nerd is a math obsessive and far smarter than I ever was but has zero interest in tech.

>>12032581
>PC started to get really expensive in the 90s
they WERE expensive for normal people s0 were cpm boxes they only got cheaper with dell, intek amd compaq hp and microsoft in the later 90s

>>12032582
>Actually here's one, a fat commie fuck called noam chomsky telling the planet that stuff like LLMs would never happen because he was an academic linguist and respected for being a loud mouthed self promoted commie ivory tower academic talking head
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter

>>12032604
>noam chomsky
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4729068

Retro-game preservationists are the shittiest breed of paypig cucks. They literally pay money for others to buy games, and archive them in their own personal freezer.

>>12032613
>>12032613
>They literally pay money for others to buy games
explain all I read is inarticulate seething

I don't see myself as preserving anything unless you are raging blindly me soldering some capacitors into something I want to play with but that is otherwise heading to landfill because you want a mario game cube to wear as a reddit status hat on youtube and can't afford it

>>12032532
>The best time to get something you like is when everyone else thinks it is garbage and gives it away because they don't want it and if you liked it that's when you would have got it too if you cared.

>>12032115
I feel sorry for you but you don't even know why you measure your worth in attention whoredom instead of giving no fucks about others and doing what you actually like or have a passion for anyway without anyone else needing to even know

>>12032090
>they don't care about actually playing games
what a bizzare assumption
>>12032532
>The best time to get something you like is when everyone else thinks it is garbage and gives it away because they don't want it and if you liked it that's when you would have got it too if you cared. Condolances to people who were homeless or whatever, that's life.

>>12032619
>explain all I read is inarticulate seething
Picrel is just one example.
>hey how about you pay for a guy to move to japan
>pay him to buy your favorite retro games
>pay him to store those games in a private vault
>he won't dump them digitally because reasons
>you have to ask for his permission to play those games
>you have to visit him in person and play in a room
>you can't choose the game btw, he will randomly pick a subset and you can tickle your fantasy
>then gtfo

>>12032689
>he won't dump them digitally because reasons
This is the shit I dont get. I am a huuuge collector fag and would never pay for a modern digital only release, but i don't give a single fuck if the stuff i own is available to download elsewhere. My collection is for my own personal enjoyment. You would think these types that refuse to dump anything, would get more smug satisfaction by parroting around;
>"That obscure jap computer game? Yeah, that was me who dumped it. You're welcome."

>>12032689
I stand corrected I had no idea such people even existed.
>>12032737
>I am a huuuge collector fag and would never pay for a modern digital only release, but i don't give a single fuck if the stuff i own is available to download elsewhere. My collection is for my own personal enjoyment.
Actually based.

>>12032597
>90's
>cpm boxes

>>12032689
This is mostly a Japan thing
The guy is a foreigner living there but native Japs also refuse to dump anything. There are tons of JP exclusive arcade games that will eventually become permanently lost because no one outside of Japan managed to get their hands on a board to dump it

>>12031409 (OP)
in about 20 years you'll see millennials dying in mass and their pristine unplayed-in-decades hoards going up on ebay

>>12032917
I have never seen a Japanese asking for donations to fund his personal collection? They do this shit with their own wage slave money.

>>12031409 (OP)
>>am starting a retro game collection to do YouTube play-alongs with.
YOU are the reason.

>>12032936
I was more talking about dumping part

>>12032953
Japanese aren't interested in preservation, they just collect games as a hobby which is why dumping games is just nuisance they don't wanna deal it because it doesn't do anything for them.
You will never see a retro Japanese arcade owner talk about preservation, he simply let people play the games like you would normally do in an arcade. He doesn't hide behind a noble agenda of preservation to feel good or to secure financial freedom.

>>12032920
>in about 20 years you'll see millennials dying in mass and their pristine unplayed-in-decades hoards going up on ebay
Try 50 years

>>12032762
Yup they were very expensive in the 80s. Your reading comprehension is not great fyi there were cheap CPMs machinnes released in the late 80s and early 90s like the Amstrads and Spectrum 3s

>>12032960
Not saying you are wrong but I don;t really give a shit what Japs do with their stuff because it is in Jap runes. I don't get the whole import scene but each to their own.

>>12032689
Just linking the article
https://www.timeextension.com/features/we-might-be-about-to-lose-a-powerful-force-in-the-world-of-video-game-preservation

saw this
"https://www.timeextension.com/features/we-might-be-about-to-lose-a-powerful-force-in-the-world-of-video-game-preservation"

Not sure about disks, I think most 5.25s die because they were fairly easy to damage, ame for people leaving 3.5 inch disks near speakers etc I know I have digital to analogue audio tapes for 8 bits computer games from the 80s and suprisingly all the data on them is good, tape recorders still work to play them back and load them.

>>12031409 (OP)
sorry op i cashed out,
sold the rest of my collection except my cib neo geo aes stuff.
i'm up 163% over all of what i spent, and that's after I bought flashcarts and odes.
thanks for buying the rest of my genesis and snes games recently.

>>12033015
And you'll want them back again. Bad move.

>>12032917
Everything in the ZX Spectrum universe is archved online as both audio rips and memory dumps. The stuff that came in the older big box games like jeyboard overlays, little novels and posters and manuals is cool though

>>12032960
There's both the fact they don't care for the "preservation" crusade and also the fact the japs are much more arsey about copyright law. Both the fact the country's laws are notably stricter about it and the people in general seem to be much more compliant with it by extension. I once saw a tweet of an independent game store owner where he filmed himself crushing an R4DS or similar in his hand stating that all such devices are illegal and should all be destroyed.
So when they don't care about the preservation and they don't want to get fucked for copyright, be it literally or just socially, they're simply not going to dump what they have. I don't doubt there's a good share of that "I'm the only one who has this and that feels good" type of exclusivity thinking going on too.

>>12033026
I imagine if you get caught in legal trouble over there, it probably fucks you over a lot more in finding a new job or even just trying to sign up for things or buy property. Like a social stigma forever on your personal profile, just because you got caught dumping a companies files from 35 years ago.

>>12031409 (OP)
Flashcarts and ODEs have existed for over a decade now. I stopped buying retro games since getting my hands on my first everdrive. Every single console I own runs backups now in one way or another, as there is literally no need to buy physical games anymore.

>>12031427
The barrier to entry for authenticity is self-inflicted. What can YOU bring to the table with the tools available to you? The largest channels that cover retro games use emulation. I like watching different youtubers and streamers play through the RE series and almost all of them use emulation. Even big-ish retro channels that do retrospectives emulate. There's a guy I watch who talks bullshit in front of his camera for 45 minutes then plays random games off a cheap emulation box. It's literally all about how entertaining the person is, and my guess is you aren't a very interesting or knowledgeable guy.

Let's say you get an authentic CIB game and you want to play it for your youtube channel. What does the viewer actually get out of you having that? You're likely using composite video out, which looks like shit, or maybe you pull an early DSP and just film the screen, and you'll make lots of mistakes which will suck for the viewer unless you practice like crazy off-camera or edit like a madman.

>>12033424
>composite recording
>just film the screen
In the buisness, we call that "soul".

>>12033440
the soul comes from those that can pull it off.

>>12031409 (OP)
Imagine not having your childhood collection to fall back on...

>be OP
>be sad wretch in their 50s that still types like an edgy teenager
>seethe over milliennials, write several novel-length screeds over them about how they are the reason you missed the prime time to buy retro game gear
one of the more pathetic threads i've seen on here. shows you that not everyone ages gracefully and gains wisdom along the way.

>>12032992
>Yup ima cope
But of course you are sweaty

>>12031435
>costs an entire months salary of a worker at Burger King
if thats an entire month salary you probably live on the street since i doubt you can even rent a one bedroom appartment in a first world country.

>>12033498
what makes you think the guy is 50? His dream is to start a youtube channel hes very clearly a 20 something with no retro games from his childhood so he has to start collecting now.

>>12031409 (OP)
Literally just play old games and enjoy in whatever way makes sense to you, who cares

>>12031568
>I'm just randy marsh amd wanted my own blockbuster.
Sorry anon but again...you missed the bubble.

You are at least 10 years (probably 15 years) too late. The 2000s and early 2010s were the last time retro games you want to buy were cheap. Back then it was considered outdated garbage. Now it's considered highly collectible.

If you want cheap retro games today, then you are going to have to buy Xbox 360 games and Wii U stuff. That's what is considered $outdated junk" today. In 10 years, it will probably shoot up in price as well.

So jump on the train while you still can. Because you already missed in the 90s/2000s train. It's left the station and it's not coming back for you.

>>12034164
>what makes you think the guy is 50?
read >>12032416

>>12031409 (OP)
>emulating makes you a cuck
>spending egregious amounts of money on plastic and discs makes you not a cuck
bonafide insanity

>>12034405
nta but i think that's some other schizo

>>12031409 (OP)
Collecting physical copies has become fucking terrible. It’s been that way for a while. I used to buy NES games off ebay. Good copies of LoZ and Mega Man 2 on the cheap. Not anymore. Not for a long time, frankly. Didn’t read the whole thread, but I’m sure there’s a lot of screeching going on.

If it was about "accuracy" or "controller response" then collectorfags would surely be satisfied by getting original hardware and uploading original ROMs to a programmable cartridge, but they never are. Stop pretending it's about those things and not just a need to consoom and a misguided desire for status

>>12034391
2010 was already too late. The fed had already started its post-2008 crisis QEs back then and we were already seeing a lot of money coming and inflate away nerdy collectible stuff.
I collect a lot of older TRPG stuff, and I saw prices rising there too almost as quickly as with retro gaming.

>>12031409 (OP)
>a retro game collection to do YouTube play-alongs with
you are the problem, fagwad

>>12031409 (OP)
Here's all you need: MisterPi, a hacked Wii, a PS2 with a Raspberry Pi running PSX-Pi or Retronas, a computer capable of running 86Box to emulate any classic computer.

That's it.

>>12034407
This.

Unfortunately, I had to move last year of high school and had to throw out a ton of stuff including the N64 boxes I kept over the years.

It still makes me upset but there are still good ways to play those games.

Even if you must be a box faggot, there are literally reproduction boxes on AliExpress so who the fuck cares. Just get a few and call it a day.

Biggest thing is just to have fun. It ain't no fucking race to get everything.

Spend the energy and effort to get a CRT TV or CRT monitor. That to me is the one thing that can't be replicated easily.

I like 4:3 LCD's for XP era stuff too but I think the hoarding of games is kind of dumb.

Especially since you can make your own TapTo cards for the Mister nowadays.

>>12034543
I can enjoy accuracy AND the pleasure of building a collection of neat stuff.

>>12031409 (OP)
I'm only gonna buy some boxed PC games for a shelf in the next two years.

Past that, buying games on eBay is mad gay these days.

>>12031427
I watch youtube and I think emulation is awesome and based.

>>12031409 (OP)
>Be a massive collector
>Have extremely rare GameCube and a few other truly rare games that don’t get talked about on any list
>About to have a kid and have no time for games
>Cash in my collection and start to sell on eBay to buy baby stuff
Emulation here I come

>the collection plastic hobby is dying! people are actually playing the games using emulation instead of just hoarding physical copies and never touching them!

good.

>>12034829
No retard go on FB Marketplace, there's so much baby stuff given for free and at yard sales.

You will always regret selling shit that is rare.

t. Dad that sold a Casio CZ-3000 I used to use. Still wish I kept it

>>12034845
Trust me I have. But there’s a lot that you don’t want 2nd hand like car seats and beds. Plus there’s saving for later stuff.

Tbh I don’t care about collecting any more. The hobby got too expensive because of scalpers and isn’t fun any more. I used to love going to thrift stores and finding gold. Now goodwill puts everything on their auction site.
I’ll cash out and use the money elsewhere

>>12034857
Good luck dude, your life is about to change in ways you can't possibly predict, but at least you have a good attitude about it. You'll probably regret selling that shit in the short term but you'll eventually realize it was the right move.

>>12034857
I respect that. Dad to Dad, I understand.

You got this dude. Hope the little one comes out healthy.

My boy will be 11 months soon. Time flies my dude.

Probably the only thing I would debate finding is DVDs, and VHS at this point for the fun of it. I agree with games getting out of control.

I plan on just building a PC to emulate all PCs as an endgame PC's. That sounds like a ton of fun but you gotta truly respect how far emulation has come.

I have a soft spot for the early emulators personally after all of the 90s consoles I owned so the possibilities we have today are insanely good comparatively.

We didn't give two fucks if ZSNES was frame perfect. It blew my mind I could use it to play any SNES game I wanted, even on the modern computer (at that time, an EMachines piece of shit) or even the old AF at that point Pentium III upstairs running Windows ME.

I remember playing F-Zero eith an old BM keyboard on that setup and having a blast / was really good at it for some reason.

If anything probably shoot for the games you absolutely love. Otherwise fuck it play em however you want.

The social media hype seemed fake. Is a bookshelf full of overpriced inky plastic attractive? The drop in prices could be buyers remorse. My opinion is biased as I'm not a collector.

Has there been a change in interest? Emulation, rom hacking and homebrew has had constant interest since I don't know when

As a collector who only plays on original games and hardware, I wish everyone else did just go to emulation now and back when retro became kitsch. I want me cheap/free trash picking days back.

wtf is going in here

>>12034868
That’s what I thought.
Some stuff sucks to sell like my gold GB Camera. Literally never going to see another one irl again. When I get to selling my pokemon stuff, that will sting. I have a sealed Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness

>>12034882
Nowadays you don’t even need to build a pc to emulate unless you’re going for later gens.
A hacked Wii U or sideloaded Xbox Series X can emulate most of what you want to play without issue

>>12035006
For the average person yes. But I get off on seeing fully emulated computers be themselves.

If you grab any configs from the 86Box Discord, you'll see the great amount of autistic effort it takes to make it be like the real thing, and with unique BIOS and all.

You're absolutely right for most people though.

>>12035001
tds. not retro.

OP just make your dumb videos, use a flashcart, and show off the full authentic cartridge-and-manual experience with just a few games that you feel like hunting down CIB copies of. Your viewers don't need to see EVERY original cartridge to get the idea of how it works. They don't need to see EVERY box or manual. Just show them a few and otherwise focus on the main event: the actual games.

Also who says "play-alongs"? What even is that? I hope you don't have an annoying croaky voice and aren't being fat on camera. If you aren't willing to promise that you are avoiding such crimes then your priorities are just way off. The difference between video of an emulated game and video of a game played on real hardware is far smaller than the difference between a video narrated by a hideous insufferable toadman and a video narrated by a moderately charismatic, somewhat pleasant-sounding off-camera entity. Focus on the things that matter please. The player is the one who needs to care most about authentic hardware, not the person viewing a recording from across the world.

>>12034986
zoomers need to fuck off from our old stuff and go back to collecting labubus

>>12031409 (OP)
Collectors probably found out that a lot of games are re themed and copies of other games

Most of this shit was mass produced to be sold in toy stores, get over your emulation hangups

>2025
>am starting a retro game collection to do YouTube play-alongs with.

Enjoy your 10 views per video.

Im strongly thinking of getting rid of retro cardboard game boxes. It feels so pointless. I'm not going to sell my old Pokemon Sapphire cart, even when I die and if I have children will they? Will they sell it for a price that justifies years of hoarding it and other boxes? I'm really doubting it.

>>12031427
Man… What am I even supposed to say to a person like this?

Did you seriously pick up retro gaming as a hobby specifically to be a YouTube tool? I mean, I appreciate your shameless honesty, but for fuck’s sake, anon.

>>12031409 (OP)
Stop fetishizing the packaging and just get flash carts/ODEs lol

or continue fetishizing them, but only what you'll actually play. It's not expensive if you're an adult with a social life and job and real hobbies like being an alt baddie

>>12034986
>I want me cheap/free trash picking days back.
I just wonder how long normalfag hipsters and fucking zoomers are just going to sit on the most common games at outrageous prices.

I'm watching the same listings being relisted over and over at the same crazy prices.

>>12036748
This.

Very good point. After seeing a few retrospective older videos of holiday game store seasons in the 80s and 90s in the US and the UK, you quickly realize it's just a cash grab for most game studio houses, and is an extension of the toy market.

It was never supposed to be deeper than that.

You liked.games as a kid since it was a toy to play with, nothing more, nothing less.

There ain't anything wrong with that but if it's a matter of the medium itself, just play the game and don't give a fuck what naysayers say.

t. started.with SNES, had a Genesis, PSX, N64, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, and Xbox 360 before getting bored of games. Emulated a ton in the early 2000s too.

There ain't no wrong way to do it.

>>12036838
Guaranteed he will probably also stream on Twitch too.

I myself would be ok with this too. I know a few dudes on YouTube that post like 5 min clips of various games they played.

Can't say I watch them cause it's dumb to just not play it yourself but doesn't mean they don't have the right to do it.

Most of people like OP want friends with similar interests but the Internet has fragmented people so much that it's impossible to not at least be on said online platforms to even attempt to meet like minded people.

Man, fuck modern society.

>>12036884
This. I respect this. Just get the games you like. Emulate everything else.

Whenever I see faggots with complete collections, I just shake my head. Most games in entire game libraries are shit and it's only about 20 to 40% worth playing.

I don’t know who needs to hear this but if you’re playing games off a flashcart or burned CD you aren’t actually playing the game. I don’t care if the ROM checksums are “identical” or if the console “can’t tell.” That’s nonsense. The cartridge itself, the pressed disc itself, is part of the experience
Cartridges aren’t just shells for data. The PCB, the mapper chips, the slight variances in manufacturing, the way the contacts have worn over 20–30 years—that’s all part of it. Same for discs. A factory-pressed disc from 1998 is not the same thing as a CD-R you burned last week. The reflective layer, the pits and lands, the exact wobble of the disc at 2x speed is different. Your console reacts differently. The motor sounds different. Even the loading times can change slightly because of how the original pressing was manufactured. That matters
Patches? If you’re playing a “fixed” version, you’re not playing the real game. The real game is version 1.0, exactly as it shipped, bugs and all. That’s what people bought, that’s what people played, and that’s what defined the game
Hardware revisions also matter. Playing on a later slim model or a clone console is not the same thing. Different boards, different capacitors, different quirks. Developers tested on the original hardware. That’s the baseline. Using anything else means you’re not experiencing the game as intended. Controllers too. If your controller isn’t period-correct with the exact feel the devs expected, you’re missing something
And yes, displays matter. No, an HDMI mod isn’t the same. No, an upscaler isn’t the same. The games were built around the way they looked and felt on actual consumer CRTs of the era
So yeah, play on your flashcarts, burn discs, patch your games, use emulators, whatever. Call it “playing” if you want. It’s not the same. You’re not actually playing the game, you’re playing a fake version

>>12037296
lol

>>12037296
No faggot, the medium doesn't matter. It's literally a file on a goddamn chip.

You could always get a repro cartridge and not have a single fucking clue it's a fake. Same goes for manuals or boxes.

You are a hoarder with a boomers mentality that everything worth holding onto isn't complete trash. Motherfucker, some things belong in a museum, not piled in a bookcase on your wall for clout.

>>12037417
>>12037296
I can one up both of you retards. They're all toys and you're too stupid to realize you've outgrown them, but convince yourself it's a worthwhile hobby.

>>12037296
>the way the contacts have worn over 20–30 years
Didn't beat the game

>>12037296
Thanks ShartGPT

>>12032347
Anon, I'm going to be honest with you.
Get over yourself. Stop getting hung up on stupid shit and you'll feel better.

>>12038920
>t. seething youtuber with a mario plushie collection

>>12032085
His videos aren't just reviews, they're documentaries about the companies and people working on the games, their expectations, the context and competition, sales figures, what they go on to do next, etc. One of the few gaming youtube essayist channels worth watching.

>>12031409 (OP)
Yes you must not only have original cartridges WITH boxes but also a huge collection. Otherwise no one will take you seriously and watch your videos

>>12031591
Brand new games were touched in the factory by dirty chinks

>>12037417
>You are a hoarder with a boomers mentality that everything worth holding onto isn't complete trash. Motherfucker, some things belong in a museum, not piled in a bookcase on your wall for clout.
Inane seething because you missed the boat.

>>12031409 (OP)
>am starting a retro game collection to do YouTube play-alongs with.

Did I travel back in time 2014?

>>12031435
>month's salary at Burger

That's 2 weeks, tops.

>>12031435
Isn't Mega Man 1 one of the most common NES games? Even complete?

>>12039669
>NES games

Collecting is and always have been retarded. Only it was cheap and retarded back in the day now it's expensive and retarded. If you have nothing and playing on a modern display use a computer and emulator. If you need a CRT id trash pick a CRT and get a MISTER or if you have to real hardware with everdrives or ODEs

Anyone collecting right now is a massive dumbass; just get flashcarts and modchips

>>12039917
This. I buy stuff locally if it's a good price, but this shits gotten out of hand.

>>12039917
I already have flashcarts and like getting games i i care about regardless

Who are still buying these overpriced stuff that will suffer from bitrot in just a decade. The problem would solve itself if people wouldnt pay up anymore. But I guess its the FOMO fags. If you were thinking starting a youtube channel then you are part of the problem. It's people like me that just want to play the damn games in peace that been fucked over.

>>12031435
Or you can buy it on steam for like 5 bucks

>>12031409 (OP)
>YouTube play-alongs

Probably bait bylut if real then the only crisis here is in your mind. It used to be fine to just quietly play games by yourself. Now everybody wants people to look at them all the time because they are mindbroken NPD rats. Put your smartphone down, its making you gay and retarded.

>>12036838
I used to get thousands of views per video but it gets old pretty quick. Nothing like the old days of spending all day with your pals playing a single game together in the same room. I only really did it to try to connect with other fans of the game but poisonous mentally ill freaks are drawn to it and try to claim it. Much better to air gap my retro gaming from all of this.

>>12032115
Flash carts are not emulation you retard. It doesn't make any difference to the console if it is reading the ROM from the mass-produced plastic shell manufactured by Nintendo in 1993, or if it's reading the ROM from flash memory off an SD2SNES. The ROM itself is identical, and the console reading it is the same. If you insist on staying on real hardware, buying individual games outside of a collector mindset makes absolutely no sense, unless you only want to play 3-5 games on the console (because any number past that is going to exceed the money you would spend on a flash cart).

>>12037296
*snap*
Yep, this one's going in my cringe compilation...