Thread 12036658

>is dark type just because he acts like a normal canine, many non dark types are actually evil or vindictive like Hypno and Ninetales but they're not dark
>Is named after a hyena but all descriptions describe it as a typical wild canine than anything hyena like
Hmmm

Feel like lorewise they fucked up, because it's a much cooler dark dogmon design than the overly designed Houndoom

>>12036658 (OP)
No pokemon is evil

>>12036658 (OP)
He's black, therefore evil and destructive by nature.

>>12036695
>no Pokémon is evil
>Dark type (Japanese: あくタイプ Evil type)

>>12036695
Animals killing for food or territory=\=evil
Higher intelligence signs of malevolence like deception, calculated thievery, revenge, murder, sadism etc are evil

>>12036658 (OP)
Hyenas aren't dogs and jackals are merely canines.
You never watched Lion King btw or don't use your brain.
Also you don't realize its preevo is Poochyena and maybe haven't even played the game if you really think about it.

>>12036976
Every point I made insist hyenas aren't dogs. They may seem doglike as far as feline evolved creatures go, but their behavior is still far different

Yena implies these are hyena Pokemon, but their bios only indicate generic canine behavior, learn to read

>>12037041
I did read, you're implying there should be more there than there is, which is wrong and retarded since you're singling it out

>>12037078
Dark type means evil type, not colored black type, so yes. Fire types all need fire, yeh?

And it doesn't make sense it's named after hyenas when it's just a canine

The idea of a dark(evil) type as an element is beyond moronic. And as if there's not enough thematic overlap between ground and rock let's add yet another mineral based type. All because they wanted to balance psychic
Gen 2 was such a fucking mistake.

>>12037115
Pokemon are based on more than one thing.

>>12037128
Rock and Ground are frairly distinc gameplay-wise.
Sand doing more than normal damage on a bug or bird wouldn't make much sense, same goes for the normal and Fighting interactions.

>>12037145
Types aren't, they're based on one thing, like fire or rocks

Dark type is based on figurative darkness aka malevolence, and occasionally nocturnal behavior, but neither are a theme of Mightyena, he's essentially a Normal type labeled Dark because they didn't care about his sex entries

Dark is very fucking specific MOST of the time, Normal types like Raticate and Linoone or whatever have Dark variants that explicitly detail how they're more malicious or violent

>>12037157
Yeah Ground and Rock are fine, ground can mean burying subterranean shit, rock is literally made of rocks

And I see no type Dark "overlaps" with

>>12037041
>>12037115
>>12037158
Fair warning: this guys a schizo, Brony, ESL who responds to his own posts

From Ruby dex:
>This POKéMON will bite savagely with its sharply pointed fangs.
Seems vicious to me.
>B-but Arbok also does that!
Then the problem is that Arbok isn't dark as well.

>>12036703
Nah, it's mixed, look at all the white fur.

>>12036770
i feel robbed (if true)

It's a hyena, hyenas are generally depicted as evil/immoral animals.
>>12037168
Arbok was made before Dark type was a thing

>>12037175
Magneton was made before Steel type was a thing

>>12037128
Dark type does a good job at what's supposed to do.
>More common weakness for Psychic and Ghost
>Buffs the underwhelming Bug and Fighting type
Then you have Steel that feels like GF had a brain fart when designing it
>Uh...what if we made this thing resist over half of the types and balance it out by giving it poor offense and common weaknesses (two of them were already kinda of good in gen 1)?
Like, every combination with Steel is at WORST mediocre.

>>12037175
>What is a retcon?

>>12037172
>muttoid
Just as bad.

>>12037186
It's fucking stupid to add something for balance sake that's gonna affect universe design(being forced to create pokemon specifically to fit those types) when you could simply (especially that early in the franchise) rebalance the type chart and or the psychic/bug/ghost moves and or the psychic mon stats. But nah let's make black animals that because they are so mean and dirty fighters it makes them immune to telekinesis.

And it's not like they learned anything over the years because they are on record saying they came up with fairy to balance dragon.

>>12037162
Born and raised in Detroit, AZN/Weeb MK hater sperg. Your family migrated to Sanfran a Gen ago yeah? Playing SF in those Laundromats

>>12037168
Animal behavior isn't evil, killing for amusement or vengeance is

>>12037175
It's dex entries don't describe it as a hyena, it's described as a typical canine, which is the point. Nothing about it is specific to hyenas such as having a matriarchy, being scavengers, laughing noises, etc

Hell Even design wise, only it's elongated neck is really indicative of a hyena, it doesn't have a hump or spots nor stripes, like the two living varieties of hyena

>>12036658 (OP)
"Dark" type is just a pokemon that uses underhanded tactics to win. Stuff like biting, sucker punches, throwing dirt in your eye. It's why they body psychics who anticipate smart fighting, but get bodied by fighting types who know how to dismantle such dirty fighting.

>>12037209
Psychic types would have no weakness, if they have any, the BS they came up with is as good as any
Dark is the most common fear, psychic relies on mental power
Fair
>Bugs are also a common fear
More stupid, but good as anything, psychic is inherently OP

>>12037209
Unless you buff lick and Leech Life as well as spread them across every pokemon with a mouth, Psychic and Ghost would have no common weakness.
Dark is fine.

>>12037210
>Animal behavior isn't evil, killing for amusement or vengeance is
Tell me what type the move "bite" is.

>>12037209
>they are so mean and dirty fighters it makes them immune to telekinesis.
Psychic effectiveness is based around the human mind.
Brains beats Fighting and Placebo beats poison, we are not only afraid of Bugs and Ghost but also of evil.
Psychic resists itself because it's hard to argue or outsmart someone that is also smart, Dark is immune to Psychic because Psychopaths can't be argued with.

>>12037224
Leech Life got buffed super-hard in Gen7, its power going from a pitiful 20 to a tremendous 80.

>>12037237
Yeah and it still isn't well spread, it just stopped being an early game move.

>>12037225
Kinda a bullshit one because all the other moves like that are Normal

>>12037219
First you say dark means evil not lack of light so the fear thing is bullshit. But the point is there is plenty of bullshit you could do with adding such a vague stupid type. Bugs have very different brains, ghosts are extradimensional with shadow magic. Don't wanna touch the type chart? Make stronger widespread bug/ghost moves and or buff the existing ones. Want more psychic weaknesses? Electric fries the neuron connections... Poison poisons the brain... Mind focused bodies are frail against physical Fighting... You can stretch whatever bullshit to justify whatever which is what a lot of the posters itt are doing to justify dark.

The point is that it can be fucking done without adding a type. There's no reason standard malevolence should be a type. Pokemon can be mean spirited and dirty fighters without the elemental baggage of an attached type. There's a reason you often hear people say arbok/golbat/hypno/persian/raticate/gengar/ninetales/weezing/muk whatever else could easily be dark type and no one would bat an eye.

>Nooo you can't possibly retcon such things
Sure would be an easier pill to swallow than raticate now biting a gastly and it's super effective because his teeth were now imbued with negative mean spirited energy

>>12037273
>First you say dark means evil not lack of light so the fear thing is bullshit.
Are you not afraid of criminals?

>>12037295
Is fear of fire not a common fear? Is fear of lightning not a common fear? Is fear of drowning not a common fear?

>>12037273
Dark means firstly Evil, figurative darkness, and secondarily literal darkness as in nocturnal, moon power, shadows etc

I have no problem with the idea of Dark energy, mashing these two definitions makes it odd, but Gen1 had Normal and Dragon typing, establishing that types aren't scientific but magical or mana based and can allow some more abstract types, they draw from sources of energy power that isn't always as literal as using a vine to attack or using water to degrade rock

>>12037306
Going by that then Psychic should be weak to everything.

>>12037313
So just admit your picking and choosing just to justify the official decisions.
>The common fear of bugs counts because it does
>The common fear of ghosts counts because it does
>The common fear of criminals counts because it does
>The common fear of fire doesn't count because it just doesn't
>The common fear of lightning doesn't count because it just doesn't
This is you

>>12037320
Fire isn't that common a phobia, dark, spiders, snakes, rodents, heights, I think are the top

And these are all very mental, the dark is feared because of the unknown and imaginations running wild imagining other fears, bugs and snakes seem very alien to people uneducated because of their body types and also there are theories that it's ingrained in our brains because of venom killing our ancestors etc

Fire can be a fear like anything can but most people have a good relationship with fire despite knowing not to touch it, it's part of what put us on top of the food chain and was worshipped by people even. Fear of dogs is more common than fire and we have good relationships with dogs, but many people have had traumatic experiences much more than fire,these are more learned phobias more than inherently mental/ingrained ones

>>12037342
The way Pokemon fans bend over backwards holy shit. This thread is so beyond pointless if this is the kind of discourse I'm dealing with. Goodbye

>>12037320
It's what game freak chose mother fucker, are you also going to complain that Ground isn't weak to fire because sand becomes glass if heated up enough?

>>12037349
Bro it's a baby jarpig, things only have to make enough sense but he balanced you pedantic ass

You can kill a fire with strong gusts, but fire isn't weak to flying, it's weak to water because that's just more immediately associated with putting out fires. Ice is melted by salt which falls under ground, but fire is more obvious for melting ice etc

>>12037349
You're the one taking this shit too seriously.
"People are afraid of evil" is a REALLY straight foward reasoning for a weakness, you are also the other stuff Dark brings to the Table.
Give Psychic as many weakness within the gen 1 types as you please, it still won't buff Fighting and Bug unless you go full retarded and make fighting strong against Psychic, at which point you didn't solve the issue you just reverted the problem.

>>12037349
>>12037162

>>12037404
>The AZN Anon who got bullied by Slipknot fans In middle school and now hates MK and Twisted Metal and calls everything "white trash"
Lol, you're foreign or a coastal limp wrist

>>12037425
I don't know who either of you are but you strike me as indeed a schizo based on your postings

>>12037436
That's because you're Gen z and anti intellectual and anti genuine unironic discussion

>>12037436
he is a known schizo but he only shits up mortal kombat threads unless provoked

>perfect dark type
>first cool ice type
>it's useless shitmon only available in late game until they gave it an evolution generations later
Ugh

>>12036770
Evil type doesn't make the pokemon itself evil, it's made explicitly clear that Pokemon are neither good nor evil, especially in the anime. Ekans explains it to Pikachu and Mewtwo realizes it himself in the first movie.

>>12037825
The anime has drastically different lore and rules than the games from day one

>>12037825
>especially in the anime
not canon

>>12037839
>>12037838
>>12037825
>I think POKEMON can be good or evil. It depends on the trainer.
- Pokemon R/B

>>12037846
Well then how does a non evil Pokemon summon evil energy for a shadow ball? Or how does a Hydrygon or whatever be good when the only lore it has is that it lives only to mindlessly destroy and consume

>>12037852
Starmie can learn Thunderbolt, doesn't make it electric type. Hydreigon is still an animal, Pokemon are intelligent but they're still acting on their instincts.

>>12036658 (OP)
Hyenas are evil, you never watched Lion King?

Here's what I think of your Pokemon thread

>>12037806
>first cool ice type
anon, all ice types are inherently cool.

>>12037862
The urge to destroy isn't an animal instinct, even when cats "kill for fun" they're not actually being sadistic, they're just playing and happen to kill something, like a retarded kid killing a cat by petting it too hard

>>12037952
;]

>>12037974
Looks like we have fucking Professor Oak over here, tell me where did you get your PhD in Pokemonology?

>>12036658 (OP)
you literally have your own fucking board for gay shit that has nothing to do with /vr/

>>12038109
>A retro game has nothing to do with vr
Yeah and MK belongs on /tv/ and X-Men on Genesis has to be discussed on /co/, your autism surely knows no bounds

>>12038128
you know you're shitposting, we know you're shitposting, you know we know you're shitposting, but still you shitpost

>>12038193
Pokemon is a retro game, more retro than the 6th Gen "bad graphics modern gaming" clogging up the board. The Pokemon board is for bestiality fetishists, movies, anime, manga, whatever, not the games explicitly

>>12037806
Gen2 was designed by retards

>>12037128
>>12037852
Is this a joke? Have you anons never played another JRPG? Dark type is just an element without morality attached t it, and the only issue with Gen 2 is not including the Holy type (which later came as Fairy).
>Well then how does a non evil Pokemon summon evil energy for a shadow ball?
From the Summon Spirit of darkness, Shadow of course, same way Electric Pokemon derive their energy from Volt or Water Pokemon utilize Undine. It's also how Shadow Priests in WoW can call upon both the Light and Void, and still be "good guys".

>>12038703
Pokemon don't learn what energy they can take, it's their dna, some pokemon can learn moves outside their type but thats just because they can, not every pokemon can learn any type of energy move if they just "learn it" like wizard can with spells

Pokemon lies in between that kind of system and being based on animals, a bee can inject you with venom but a fuckin' bear can't

>>12038703
Dark type is called Evil type in Japan. Here's the list of retro(gen 2 , 3) Dark type moves:
>Fake tears
>Flatter
>Taunt
>Torment (false accusation in japanese)
>Thief
>Snatch
>Knock off
>Memento
>Bite
>Crunch
>Beat up
>Feint attack(sneak attack in japanese)
>Pursuit

It's just the type of sneaky/dirty/handerhanded fighting. Ghost type is much more related to the classical archetypal dark/shadow rpg magic

>>12038923
>Handerhanded
Lmao wtf is wrong with me. Obviously meant underhanded

>>12038875
>a bee can inject you with venom but a fuckin' bear can't
Every bear pokemon can learn toxic.

>>12038985
Used to. Now Toxic is mostly only limited to Poison-types.

>>12038985
So what pedantic

Why are Pokemon threads always full of such autism, people literally arguing every Pokemon should learn all moves and have no weakness, it's jrp

>>12036658 (OP)
Yiff

>>12037806
You are only half way done by ice path

>>12041494
More like 2/3rds of the way done. Kanto is mostly just a quick bonus round between Lance and Red.

>>12037425
>slipknot fans
>doing anything other than getting shoved into lockers by jocks
lol

>>12040289
>every Pokemon should learn all moves and have no weakness, it's jrp
Nobody says that.