Thread 12055568

Where do I get started with this genre?

raiden

>>12055568 (OP)
Aero fighters

>>12055582
>>12055584
memoshit
go play an actually good game like judgement silversword or eschatos

If you want something that eases you more into the genre and is beatable for newbies check out Elemental Master and Thunder Force III.

>>12055568 (OP)
Gradius III. I refuse to accept any alternative starting point

The first games I really enjoyed were Gleylancer, Sonic Wings Special and Raiden Trad. I still haven't beaten Raiden Trad. Like >>12055631 said, Elemental Master is also really cool and fairly easy. Twinkle Tale is another good, easy one if you prefer cuteshit over spaceshit, but it's not a traditional forced scrolling shmup and is more of a run and gun. It's fun though.

>>12055646
>>12055584
Sonic wings and aerofighters are the same game, just to be clear for OP. And yes very fun shmup with some wackiness thrown in for good measure. Great starting point.

>>12055568 (OP)
Batsugun Special, DoDonPachi, or Touhou 6/7/8
For horizontal, play Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius ~forever with me~ because it's kino

>>12055568 (OP)
I'd like tell you but this is a blue board

>>12055568 (OP)
Novice mode for Crimzon Clover or Mushihimesama. Maybe easy mode touhou. Deathsmiles is also pretty easy too and a good way to learn about scoring and extend mechanics in shmups.

Speaking of Touhou, has anyone played the newest danmaku festival? It was pretty fun. I havent really played much touhou since I got more into cave shmups, but i was surprised how easy it felt compared to when I played touhou a long time ago.

>>12055568 (OP)
Arcade:
Dodonpachi - A-Laser/C-Laser/C-Shot 1-ALL
Donpachi - USA Version 1-ALL
Dodonpachi Daioujou Black Label - A-EX/B-EX 1-ALL
Batsungun Special - Beltiana 1-ALL
Armed Police Batrider - Training and Normal Course
Battle Bakraid - Training and Normal Course
Espgaluda - Ageha
Mushihimesama - Original Mode
Blazing Star - Peplos with Autofire
1945 Part-2 (Battle Garegga Hack) - Golden Bat/Miyamoto/Gain 1-ALL
Fire Barrel / Air Assault - 1-ALL
Sengoku Ace - Aine/Shinden 1-ALL
Storm Blade - Camel 1-ALL

PC/Doujin:
Touhou 7 Perfect Cherry Blossom
Touhou 8 Imperishable Night
Blue Wish Resurrection+
Eden's Aegis
Demolition Gunner
Sonic Ironstorm
EX Extra
Odd Mobs Zero Arrange
Precious Star
Eclosion
Any shmup made by Outside (freeware and steam version) - Like Dreamer/REDNEG/CosmoDreamer...

Console:
M2 Ports and their custom modes: Super Easy/Premium Mode/Deathtiny Mode/Arrange Mode

>>12055967
pics or it didn't happen
also didn't happen even with pics
inb4 p-p-post ur clears

>>12056074
Bro, what the hell? It can't get easier than that. Anything I listed can be cleared within 4 hours of attempts or less if you already have experience with the genre. None of this is supposed to sound "impressive". It's just shit to fill your 1cc collection with easy clears.

>>12056109
>It's just shit to fill your 1cc collection with easy clears.
What's the point of that?

>>12056139
OP asked how to get into the genre, so I listed a few entry-level games that aren't frustration inducing to the point you just game over non-stop. Now if you already play shmups for years, nothing stops you from giving those games a try. It's just that they aren't that interesting difficulty wise (not counting second loops or scoring route) if you are already good enough to clear Mushi Maniac/Ultra, DOJWL, Garegga, Ketsui, SDOJ, Batrider Advanced, 2hu Lunatic, Tatsujin Oh...

>>12056160
I'm not asking about what's the point of playing an easier shmup by itself, I meant why trying to "fill a 1cc collection" and especially specifically with easier games.

>>12056162
It's just an old /shmupg/ meme. Some anon used to get really mad at people 1ccing shmups and moving to the next game without exploring the mechanics and scoring aspects. IIRC it was something about this thread
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=1944

>>12056175
shmupg deserved to die, but I think that anon had a point.
Less because of the scoring and more because trying to 1cc many easy games feels like a chore compared to learning progressively harder games.

>>12056178
shmupg never dies

Cee the chav is going to do BMX stunts on your forehead for implying such a thing

>>12056215
Looks very dead to me.

>>12055568 (OP)

Gate of Thunder and Out Zone were specifically made to be starter games for newbies. (Though the latter isn't a full shmup).

Also adding Air Buster to the list. It's simple but really good.

>>12056364
Mr. Hitler Rape Groyper sir you seem to be missing any Gradius or Parodius games except for the first one

what's this say
my image translator software cannot read this shit

After playing a decent amount of Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius I think this is how I'd rank the characters
Any disagreements
Anyone like this game other than me

>>12056364
>Googled "best shmups"

I just realized Yu-Gi-Oh started releasing AFTER every single Parodius game already came out
So Koitsu, Soitsu, Doitsu, and Aitsu are Parodius ORIGINALS, and were then referenced in Yu-Gi-Oh
I just assumed they were a Yu-Gi-Oh reference the whole time, like Twin-Bee and Kid Dracula are to their games

>>12056667
Yu-Gi-Oh wiki says as much

I started by playing DOJ as my first shmup and even though I haven't played other games in the genre yet, it feels like a game I could play for my entire life without running out of things to do.
Find a game with visuals, sound, or a general look/gameplay loop that appeals to you. You won't know shit about what you'll like before you try it. I knew I wanted to have a ton of bullets on the screen, so I went with a bullet hell that looked good to me. If you find whatever you chose boring, play something else.

>>12056554
<記録の読みこみと保存>
記録の読みこみ
記録の保存
ゲームにもどる

>>12056858
thanks
i knew this game had in-game saves but i had no idea how to do it until now

>>12056217
And yet here you are, in this thread, with AT LEAST three of old /shmupg/ regulars, still shitposting all the same stuff.

>>12057212
This isn't /shmupg/ and you aren't welcome here.

>>12055568 (OP)
>let old thread die
>make a new thread pretending to be a retarded newfag
Okay I'm done with /vr/

>>12056840
>I started by playing DOJ as my first shmup
Rough.
I couldn't tell you which one was my first shmup, because I have played a lot of random arcade games and especially on amiga as a young lad. Might unironically be space invaders if it counts.

I'm kind of vibing with DDP more than with DOJ. I haven't played Donpachi yet but so far DDP is the only game in the series that's really clicking with me from the get go. I'm thinking I'll learn this and revisit the others.

OP here, thanks for all the recs, anons. I'll probably start with Elemental Master, then play the other games mentioned here after it.
>>12057243
What the actual fuck are you talking about

>>12057243
Threads on /vr/ autosage after 2 weeks you retarded newfaggot

>>12057536
Yeah DDP's awesome. I once posted a shmup 3x3 on /v/ and this one faggot kept asking why DDP over DOJ like a sequel is somehow a fucking straight upgrade and you can't prefer the earlier game for some reason

>>12057678
In the case of DOJ, I would say it did almost everything better

bumpa

What are your top 3 dadshmups on both the PS1 and PS2? Looking for recs.

>>12058598
Raiden DX, Darius Gaiden, Gradius V

>>12055568 (OP)
space invaders

>>12058598
>What are your top 3 dadshmups on both the PS1 and PS2? Looking for recs.
einhander psyvariar and R type delta my fren

don't see it mentioned often
Psyvariar: Complete Edition ps2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ImDdHHrz4

taito game too

>>12058665
Yup, they don't make em like they used to

>>12057674
I'm not posting in a faggot thread like this one. OPs been trying to do this all week.

>>12058928
Why is it empty tho

>>12058928
There's a sign saying not to take photos nigger.

>>12058984
Ok arcade janny

>>12058928
>The music for most of the games in the pic were composed by one guy

I think this is retarded
I understand how it developed, but it's still retarded
It's retarded how it survived to future games as well
No one making Japanese arcade games ever thought "HMMMMM MAYBE HAVING THE TWO MAIN SHOT BUTTONS FAR APART AND HAVING THE BOMB IN THE MIDDLE IS A STUPID FUCKING IDEA"

>>12055568 (OP)
R-Type GBC

>>12059096
A button can be used both for shot and laser, don't hold autofire when you need to switch quickly.

Broken weapons, and a fun good game for beginners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jpQZvJVeQI&list=PLREYF4RnDeQD-FYJSNX2D0dSP7E69hGjv&index=5

>bomb this secret spot to get a bajillion extra points
>Also half the characters are locked behind the Konami code
I don't really like it

>>12058984
>There's a sign saying not to take photos nigger
Thats really more so people dont record people trying to play. You'll see people recording their own screen pretty often.

>>12059652
>bomb this secret spot to get a bajillion extra points
Not really a real issue. Magazines and word of mouth were a thing back then and you could watch other players find these spots in the real arcade. Now is it a bad game design? No. The game encourages you to bomb A LOT and it's even good for survival runs, since destroying certain spots cause enemies not to spawn (stage 4 and 6).
>Also half the characters are locked behind the Konami code
I honestly consider it a bad game design for the original arcade release, but it was solved a long time ago with emulation/save state and Zakk's patch and most recently with the 2016 port qol features. Not sure how it works in the Saturn version tho.

>>12059652
What Game ?

What do you think of Game Tengoku CrusinMix Special?

I'm on the third day of my attempt to finish 1942 (Capcom Arcade Version). I made it into the top 20 in the rankings and managed to get halfway through the game.
But it's more of an endurance test. Not only is the game long, but it's also a bit repetitive, and you have to stay focused for an entire hour, doing pretty much the same thing over and over again.
The game isn't bad, I like how the enemies put pressure on you and reduce your space, but holy shit, the game is archaic overall. I don't know if I'll have the willpower to finish it.

>>12059652
You aren't supposed to like "it". It was made for your ancient ancestors.

>>12058828
>OPs been trying to do this all week
do what exactly

>>12059858
It really changed my view of the game. I like to start these blind and then after a while look up what other people are doing in their clears and it changed the way I feel about a run if I don't kill that many birbs and have to wait a bit for the extend.
The ships thing just feels weird aesthetically. To be honest I still like playing wild snail the most.

>>12059096
The Mushi machine at >>12058928 also has 3 different additional fire speed buttons so that you can do super shot. Leaves you playing with a sort of claw grip.

>>12060174
I just cleared futari bl on the cab next to it a few weeks ago

I would like to thanks the anon from the previous thread that told me to try Garegga's Extended Mode. At first I was afraid of trying to go for it, even after finishing countless No Miss runs. Well, today I did my first run and I somehow made it to 2-6 Boss. Man... I can't believe I have the chance to be the first player outside japan to get a Garegga 2-ALL. It can take a whole year, but I'll definitely get it. All thanks to anon's advice.

>>12060751
Post it

>>12060953
I'm the only person outside japan actively playing this game. You can easily find my run on youtube, but here's my backup just in case.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IFWKFLKIfu5FlAkbaWEAkSQMptWItFNx/view

FUCK! I'm addicted to this shit. I even dropped my daily gacha habits after starting doing No Miss runs. It feels amazing to be able to consistently clear this game. This game will be 30yo next year and only a few weeks ago I started doing No Miss runs and for some reason nobody outside japan ever did No Miss until now. For a game this popular, you would expect at least one No Miss run from the western shmup community after all these years. Yeah I know, the route to keep the rank low can be a little boring for some people, but that's what makes it so interesting for me. And now I'm on my way to do the same with Extended Mode. This one won't be easy, but it will be more fun than trying to NMNB with the trash ships that don't have piercing shot (silver sword, flying baron, chitta and bornnam).

>>12061105
Okay I saw your run, the precision on display is quite a marvel. Very nice, anon.

>>12056585
Updated, this is probably a little more accurate

>>12061164
Yeah, hopefully I didn't abuse my luck in that run. I'm sure I can make it to BH2, but Glow Squid is gonna be a massive wall if I don't stockpile bombs and extra lives. And that's only for his first phase. His second phase can go terribly wrong, because it's entirely RNG based.

>>12061253
actually yknow twinbee kinda sucks

I just got my first 1cc, Mushihimesama on novice lol

>>12062579
Very good anon. Every step counts. Mushi and Futari are great games since the modes offer a difficulty for any shmup player from the complete noob to the seasoned master all while having some of the best music and art design in any game. You could spend years on just those two games and keep getting something out of it.

What shmups have the best soundtracks? Link a song or two with your choices.

>>12062705
Sexy Parodius:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WdXxQRILjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rfbjNCLVWk

Cho Ren Sha 68K:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT3z4k1BlDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDOP5Xg8XDg

Touhou Lotus Land Story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmIUeByDYHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YXCbyTOrw

Made it to 2-7 Glow Squid today. Died too many ties against BH2, but I'm happy to see progress.

Holy shit I can't wait for my Seimitsu lever to come
The fucking opposite directions on this piece of shit are insane. No flicking allowed

You should try mame

m-mommy... i did it... are you finally proud of me mommy?


i never want to play another shmuplike again after that

>You're a living legend
w-wow! thank you!

>>12063068
The customizing of your ship is actually a turn off for me, I just want to get into the action.

>>12056045
That's a good filter, what one?

Death smiles
19XX: The War Against Destiny

>>12063080
I don't like any of the new weapons. Ripple sucks against the rocks and I can't see shit with the bombs.
Type 1 forever.

>>12063089
I meant I don't like the fact that there is customization at all, nothing against your specific setup.

>>12063093
Yeah I know I heard you I was just saying I don't like the other weapons.

>>12063068
>>12063078
GGa
And hey, that's a longer shmup than most of them

>>12063104
I accept your concession.

>>12062579
Not GG and come back when you clear Maniac at least.

>>12063116
Manic is too big of a jump for beginners imo
should stick to original and then move up

>>12063116
I'll probably try novice Maniac next. I also want to do Ikaruga but it feels way less attainable than Mushi.

>>12063119
OR maybe I'll just go to original like this guy says, we'll see how it goes.

>>12063120
I meant default Maniac of course

>>12063119
Better sooner than later, I never played a novice mode myself

>>12063120
Ikaruga isn't that fun. Just keep playing Mushi.
Also are you on PC or console? Steam or emulation if on PC?

>>12055568 (OP)
You'll get as many recommendations as there are posters.
I began with Battle Bakraid.
It's cool and has nice soundtrack and relatively easy to get 1cc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2GGRf0pGIU

Remember when Konami had soul?

>>12063334
Is this more accessible than garegga in terms of controls? I haven't gotten around to getting the patch and figuring out all the toggles for mame and just want to jump in to a similar experience as garegga.

>>12063334
>stage 4
This game sure wants to teach you about streaming/misdirect

This game is stupid fucking hard
Yes you get unlimited extends yes you get a bunch of busted-ass shot types but the rank still RAPES YOU IN THE ASS.
SNES Gokujou is the easiest in the series by far

>>12063476
I find it to be the easiest in the series. Use the bells.

>>12055568 (OP)
My current favorites on the Saturn:
- Darius Gaiden (hard game but very fun in 2 player co-op. Can also use 2nd ship to continue on your own after 1st ship is out of lives.)
- Layer Section
- Hyper Duel

>>12063491
>Use the bells
Yeah good idea I'll just delete my shield. This is only good advice if you're playing as Upa or Rupa.

>>12063371
Back in the day I was deciding between Garegga and Bakraid. I don't know why Garegga is so highly regarded - one of the issues I have with that game is the fact I have trouble seeing the enemy bullets in places.
So yes, Bakraid is more accessible at least to me.

you have to start with vanguard on the atari 2600 the progenitor of the genre

>>12063493
That's why you keep the powerup meter on shield as much as you can, but you also can get a green after dying to give yourself a lot more time to recover.
One more thing I remember doing in this specific game is hanging out on the right side of the screen because you can seal enemies close enough to your ship.

>>12063541
>but you also can get a green after dying to give yourself a lot more time to recover
I'm playing with checkpoints until I can 1cc it. I imagine that instant revival is a lot easier.

I'm able to do back to back runs where I get to stage 5 of mushi. I'm almost there. I still haven't routed stage 5 nicely though. Those huge flowers that shit out popcorn and walls are tricky when they're clustered with other threats that prevent you from crawling up the side of the screen and getting the cancel in time.

>>12063549
Obviously. But use the goddamn green bells especially.
Blue is cool if you want to stockpile bombs instead of using the shield, works with some planning. Purple is for recovery mainly
White(I think? the one that can create a barrier) is situationally useful in in the last stage

What is it with trannies and enjoying danmaku games? Not hating, just nooticing.

>>12063584
Boy, wait until you find you about speedrunning, FGC, board games and TCG...

>>12063083
CRTLottes2 while rendered at 2x resolution

>>12063204
Steam for Mushi, I have Ikaruga on ps5 and enjoy it despite being harder for me.

>>12063584
Autism is a requirement for danmaku. The slot machine aesthetics and repetition only appeal to Tylenol victims.

Complete fucking beginner here, never played a shmup in my life. should I play with keyboard, gamepad, or something else?

>>12063948
Whatever you find more comfortable.
Keyboard does have the advantage of easier tap dodging though.

>>12063519
FYI there's an alt version with brighter bullets, I think it's missing some things but I can't remember what

>>12063519
Should have gone for Batrider instead

Before the genre went all retarded, I recompensed starting with an 80's classic like 1943. (1942 is a little too primitive compared to 43). 1943 was damn near the perfect game.

Do the arcade version.

>>12055568 (OP)
Space Invaders, Defender, Demon Attack, Millipede

Vertical games make my vision blurry after a while.

Is the Strikers 1945 "P-38" special a loop referencing Capcom's 1942-1943?

>>12063808
Are the M2 Shottriggers ports available to you on ps5? Any of those games would be great to pick up.

>>12063584
What is it with trannies and appropriating things that normal autistic young men like? Not hating, just nooticing.

>>12064354
They are also autistic young men, just more loud online

>>12064343
Looks like there are some Toaplan games. I have considered getting a Switch since it has so many shmups, I assume they're cheap now that the 2 is out.

>>12055568 (OP)
>Toaplan ports on the Genesis/MD
>Blazing Lazers
>Gradius on PCE
>Galaga
>Xevious
>Batsugun
Thunder Force III

I prefer the console ports over arcade. These are the ones I would recommend for someone new. It's a good variety.

>>12055568 (OP)
>>12064761
Parodius SNES ports are also nice

Consoomed a bunch of shmups on Steam. First impressions, ranking by how likely I'll try to get the 1cc:
Crimzon Clover > Darius Gaiden > DDP DFK BL Arrange (Ketsuipachi) > Devil Blade Reboot > Mushihimesama > Deathsmiles > Judgement Silversword > Eschatos (banger music, some weird stuttering I gotta figure out how to fix) G-Darius > DDP DFK Normal
I know most of these aren't retro but this is the only shmup thread on 4chan

>>12065114
btw DFK is at the bottom because I hate autobomb. Bad mechanic in any game that has it.

>>12065117
Just don't get hit. What's the difference?
I like it since it helps you see the game on one credit easily and then you can transition to being good enough to use the bombs properly. It also gives new players the idea that they could bomb through sticky situations instead of just dying trying to hoard them. Or they could play Psikyo games that tell them to bomb on the continue screen...

>>12065149
Autobomb is like having extra lives or a shield.

>>12065154
No, it's like using a bomb.

>>12065157
No. See the problem here is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Japanese shmup. In a Japanese shmup 1 hit means death. You can have things like shields of various form or power down mechanics but once you have autobomb you are essentially adding lives or introducing a health bar, making it more like a euroshmup.

The only difference is that each hit costs you a bomb, but it's extra lives nonetheless, because not every time you get hit are you going to be able to block with a bomb. The penalty for getting hit is not enough.

>>12065176
I didn't get hit I reaction bombed perfectly every time. You can't prove u didn't.

>>12065187
I'm watching you anon, your days of euroshmupping are over!

>>12065117
>btw DFK is at the bottom because I hate autobomb. Bad mechanic in any game that has it.
Black Label is included in fhat port and doesnt have autobomb

>>12055717
FDF3 is noticeably easy. If you like Touhou, the newest official game came out last month - it's quite hard.

>>12055568 (OP)
cross your hands so your right is on the stick and everyone will know you're legit

Shmup input methods:
>Stick: Most fun and least tiring, but also least precise
>Pad: More precise than stick, but depending on the ergonomics of your controller can be tiring
>Keyboard: Objectively most precise, but unless you have an ergonomic keyboard can be very tiring
Is that about right

>>12065380
What happened to analogs?

>>12065384
If you use an analog stick for shmups you're a sub-mental retard. Shmups only have 8 directions, idiot

>>12065390
One of the best Futari players does that

>>12065390
You're just bad.

>>12065394
>>12065404
Explain a single benefit of using a device that moves 360 degrees for a game that only takes 8 directions

>>12065414
It's a stick but you use one finger.

>>12065434
It doesn't click. It has inaccuracy built in. If you need to use a thumbstick, at least use the Neo Geo CD controller.

>>12065445
Accuracy is fine. Only issue I have ever had with analog is the same as sticks, tap dodging is more difficult.

>>12065414
It's more comfortable and some games do have more than 8 directions. It is not 1998 grandpa.

>>12065390
You can use an analog stick for shmups.

It's kind of like a really mushy arcade stick.

1cc'd Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-KXIkjuDUM
Perhaps the most sovlfvl shmup of all time

>>12055568 (OP)
Think it's Nemesis 2 or gradius 2 msx smooth version ps 2.

All msx versions are extraordinarily underated.

>>12065537
Cool, now get all the fairies
>the most sovlfvl shmup of all time
Don't know about that, the genre is filled to the brim with sovl

>>12065390
I use analog stick. My dpad sucks, it requires too much pressure to push it so I can't get this quick little taps in as easily as with the analog stick

>>12065380
I use this for shmups
It's nice, good dpad and has a lot of buttons (not that you need them for shmups, but you'd be surprised how annoying it is to not have a select button)

>>12065414
you have 45 degrees of 360 for each direction instead of just one button

I added four more shoot ‘em ups on Steam:

>Eschatos
(I like all these guys’ games)

>Batsugun
(I saw someone doing 1cc on this Steam version and decided to try it too, even though I already have the game on MAME)

>Parodius thing
(I don't even know what game this is, but I liked the art style)

>Blue Revolver
(I've only heard of it, I don't know the game either)

>IKaruga
(it costs $2 on sale + regional price, so I decided to buy it even though the game is too difficult for me)

what are some good ps2 shmups? i bought one about two months ago and i'm about getting ready to put every game i'm actually interested in on the hdd

>>12066215
Castle Shikigami 2

>>12066215
Light Force 2

How's the input lag on Strikers 1945 1, 2 and 3 on Steam?

Done watching Garegga and collecting data for 6 hours straight. It turns out there is no easy way to clear it. You simply have to be THAT good. And as I expected, this is 10x harder than doing NMNB. At least I found a few interesting strategies and safe methods that can be useful for me like avoiding the carriers in Stage 2-5 and only destroy the small turrets around it, but that also means I can't have homing formation for the boss rush and BH1. Avoiding destroying Slayer's core isn't a bad strategy, but it's a little time consuming. Also, my starting rank theory was right about how it doesn't matter if you die five times in a row on stage 2-1 or 2-2, the rank will always be 43.2%, but never lower than that. So there's no much reason to stockpile resources on the first loop, unless I figure out a way to use my extra lives to reset the rank at the start of stage 2-3.

>>12067064
Also, I've never seen this menu before wtf

>>12067064
I'm enjoying your posts, garegganon. What do the colour codes on your spreadsheet mean?

>>12067438
>light yellow 3
Gain
>light green 3
Miyamoto
>light orange 2
Wild Snail
>magenta
Miscellaneous/Low Tier
>cyan
3~5 Lives remaining (great)
>light yellow 1
0 Lives remaining (danger)
>light blue 2
No Options (risky)
and the data format is like this
Lives | Bombs | Options(+Homing/Search) | Current Firerate
This info helps me to lot in understanding the resource management for early stages. Stockpiling extra lives is a big no, unlike in Normal Mode/first loop. That's guaranteed rank above 90% against BH2 and Glow Squid. 0~2 Lives is the way to go until you reach stage 2-6. And it's good to know that even if you have zero lives and zero bombs, you still have a chance.

>>12055967
I prefer scoring, not that I'm any good

Should I play Ketsui or Ketsuipachi as my first 1cc (because I thought they were super fun my first time trying them) or should I play something easier like DonPachi/DoDonPachi (still fun but not as rock my cock off)
Also anyone try Ketsui Deathtiny on shadPS4, how does it run

>>12067781
*First CAVE 1cc, I've 1cc'd other shmups (Batsugun Special Version and Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius ~forever with me~)

>>12067781
Play a few of them and then pick which one to 1cc(first?) based on what you find more enjoyable to learn currently. That said, DDP is much easier than Ketsui.

What's the difference between rank and rank% in garegga? The M2 port shows a % and a value but when I look at zakk's patch to use with MAME there's a flat rank value counted in hex. What is the percent a percent of exactly?

>>12067857
Rank% is a more readable version of the hex, you are seeing the same value

>>12067064
>Ket
Is that the guy that streams garegga every day

>>12067857
It's the same thing.
https://shmups.wiki/library/Battle_Garegga/Advanced_Rank

>>12067976
Yeah, but he used to be more active a few years ago before getting the WR for Chitta. Now that he's pretty much done with WR attempts, he just casually (at high skill level) explore other ships and categories.

So people who defend memoslop, I wanna give it a fair shot.

How are you supposed to play these games that isn't autism?
Here's what I do:
1. try to get as far as I can on a single credit. I like dodging stuff, and the dynamic nature, but there's no consistency. Sometimes I made it to stage X without any lives, sometimes I waste all of them on stage 1?

Here's what I will never do:
1. watch other 1CC replays
2. save states and practice every encounter

What's the next step?

Man this thread has been extremely bad

>>12068046
The next step is to reconsider your approach. Just brute-forcing runs repeatedly take you longer compared to practicing isolated sections to learn from them and gain consistency. Of course, watching replays is NOT necessary, it's ok if you don't want to. Still, practicing is really important, and by just replaying stages that give you trouble directly, skipping the ones you already know, saves you A LOT of time
What matters at the end of the day is that you finally achieve your goal with your own hands, and that you're satisfied with it

>>12055717
I’ll second the Crimzon Clover novice mode. Very challenging but doable for a newbie and a great first milestone.

My first 1cc was my very first run of Strikers 1945 2 (NA PS1 version) on Monkey difficulty. I no-missed it that same run. I'm familiar with Psikyo games though so it's not like the game is completely unfamiliar to me.
I haven't been able to 1cc it again since.

>>12068046
Hi Morky schizo!

>>12068484
Reminds me when I 1cc'd Gunbird for the first time, I did the whole first loop no miss until the final boss and only because I thought I had more bombs for some reason so I just ran in his face and started pushing B.

>>12068135
What makes you say that, anon?

>>12066658
Some of the worst American cover art I've seen.

>>12067064
Doesn't watching and copying someone else take the fun out of it?

>>12068714
It's not like I'm 100% copying someone's run. I already have my own route that my muscle memory is used to, but nothing stops me from exploring different strategies used by different players. You know... most of us can't experience the arcade days of watching someone playing on the real hardware right in front of you like 20 years ago. Beside, I like to watch other people playing the same game I'm currently playing regardless of their skill level. Credit feeding? Newbie 1cc attempts? Casual run? Scoring? Superplayer? I watch everything. It's not always about "stealing" routes, but I had to do it for Garegga this week. Shit is DOJWL 2-ALL level of difficulty, so any minor optimization is really good.

>>12068706
Too much people pretending to be new or retarded for replies and people responding to it unironically. Not interested in participating in a thread like this and now that it has realized it can get (You)s from it, it will take up permanent residence here and discussion will be 300x worse.

>>12055582
based

>>12068046
Just credit feed. That's the least autistic way of learning, and it's how people practiced in the arcades. Just feed credits and see how many credits it takes to beat the game. Then try to beat it with less. Then less. Then eventually you get the 1cc.

>>12069127
NTA but yeah, I did this with these old console ports giving you like 5 credits. As long you are giving yourself some sort of limitation you will eventually improve until 1cc is within reach in a good day.
That being said, right now I enjoy stage select/save states more

>>12068046
You have to keep playing, eventually it will click with you. You become totally in the zone, the music and art will engross you and it will become the purest of gaming experiences.

Have anybody here played Undeadline? There's tons of ports but I talking about the Megadrive one. Game is like Elemental Master and Twinkle Tale but hard as fuck

>>12069279
I love em. I still believe shmups would have survived a little longer, if more walking shmups were made.

>>12068957
But I am new and retarded.

>>12066798
In case anyone other than me was wondering, there's no noticeable lag.

One of the games that Shmup Junkie recommended was Star Parodier.

>do bird castle
>cross 1M score
>no extend
why does this sometimes happen?

>>12069994
>sometimes
I don't think this is possible to happen, unless you forgot to manually change the rom set region to Japan. The default one is always USA (at least for mame, fightcade/FBneo fixed it afak), which doesn't have extra lives enabled. The invulnerability cheat that you can enable through the service mode also disables extra lives. Now if you're trying to do the suicide trick to get the extra bomb, you need to delay your death a little more.

>>12068135
Typical shmup thread regardless what board it's on.

>so many of these games
>they all seem so samey
>the bullet hell ones look like pure autism
>a lot of debate on horizontal vs vertical
>buying them today can often be quite expensive
>you might wish you could get a collection pack of a few dozen of these games per game compilation but such things just don't really exist since at most you'll get maybe 8 or so of them per compilation/collection

I want to get into these games but it always seems to me they have a ridiculously high barrier to entry. So unless you are already familiar with them its best to just emulate and play the greatest hits of the 90's and early 00's before maybe moving on to the even higher tier and difficult shmups. Those bullet hell ones look exactly as the genre name implies. Pure hell to play.

>>12070009
kek I almost got the impression that the plane is flying around with four little golden fists giving me the middle finger

>>12070190
Bullet hell is not easy usually, but easier than it looks due to smaller hitboxes(REALLY small at times, like 1 pixel for both the player and the bullets regardless of how the sprite looks like), typically features slower bullets arranged in predicable patterns, and the player has a lot of resources. A lot of the skill in these games is about learning where to look, other than the more typical shmup techniques.

>>12070201
Well this seems extremely stupid and completely counter to not just shmups but how every other pixel game is expected to work. It is expected that if anything hits your character then you take damage. If they purposefully make the hitboxes make no sense then it really does seem to me this genre of game was made for pure autists.

>>12070213
Most shmups have hitboxes smaller than the sprites, it was just taking it to the logical extreme.

>>12069847
>Shmup Junkie
Doesn't this guy literally not play the games and praise console ports because they are easier

>>12070193
can't unsee

>>12055568 (OP)
Raptor: Call of the Shadows (1 buck on steam atm)
Demonstar (successor of Raptor, 10 bucks on steam)
Tyrian 2000 (free on gog)

Is this considered the best of the trilogy?

There's a shmup sale on Switch right now and got this one plus Gunbird 2.

If you had to pick one, should I buy the M2 port of Ketsui or DDP DOJ?

>>12070223
>praise console ports because they are easier
Sometimes it's true, like Parodius

>>12070432
Pick whatever you like the most, both ports are perfect. But if I had to pick one and only one, I would choose Ketsui Deathtiny because it has better content

>>12070345
There's a lot of praise for 2 but it comes down to personal preference. I honestly like S1945i better

>>12070009
Maybe an issue with my romset? I'm playing it via the latest MAME but the prgX.ips files are patched. Region is changed to Japan under MAME machine config, stage edit DIPswitch set to ON

>>12070594
>patched
Zakk's patch? I just downloaded the latest mame and everything is working fine so far. I have many backup rom websites bookmarked, but I usually use the ones from planetemu.

>>12055636
What about Gradius on the nes? I make it to the Tiki guys but then I choke. I'll beat it someday.

>>12070335
99.99% of the people who played these games have never played any other shmups ever.
These are not "starter games" for the genre. They basically have nothing to do with the genre whatsoever.

>>12056045
>Increase internal render resolution
>Put CRT shader on top of that
What the fuck is your problem?

>>12070934
>They basically have nothing to do with the genre whatsoever.
What do you mean by this? They are shooters like any other

>>12070716
Yup, zakk's. It doesn't always happen and I don't get why but sometimes I see my score tick up to 1000000 and I don't get the extend. As far as I can tell my score really is 1M+ and it's not a big with that. Maybe I'm missing something and just being a retard. I'm going to check again when I come back from work.

Also is there a patch for the fbneo romset? Playing in MAME the ship feels like it's being steered through molasses, the lag I get is better in fbneo. Or can you recommend settings/versions of MAME?

>>12070953
>big
Sorry, phonefagging. I honestly don't know what I was trying to say there. I really like this game, something about it just pulls me in and I don't want to get a PS4.

Start with the best

- relaxing music
- beautiful art style
- 28 levels to select
- pure unfiltered fun

>>12070939
Self-explanatory. You should be able to understand. Use your head.

>>12070987
It's also pretty easy with autofire on. But not too easy. It's a good balance. You can start with 30hz autofire and just blast shit at insane speeds and then later try to take it down a notch.

>>12070996
No you need to use your head to elaborate

Why do CAVE games from the PGM era onwards sound so quiet and shitty on MAME???

>>12071076
NTA, but those games are the so called "euroshmups". Games that usually have more than one of the follwing aspects:
>widescreen in a vertical shmup
>extremely easy compared to arcade games and they don't encourage you to improve your skills
>little to no scoring mechanics
>mouse controls
>health bars
>shields
>screen shaking effects
>western developer
>story/cutscenes between stages
>big hitboxes (especially the player's ship)
>linear shot
>slow speed
>upgrades between stages (not to be confused with shop system like the one you find in Fantasy Zone and Trouble Witches)
>bland space or military setting
the list goes on...
You have the right to like this trash, but please don't recommend them to new players.

>>12071141
Yeah but you don't know if you like them unless you try

>>12071147
Just liking them isn't really the best factor to recommend them as a entry-level shmup for new players.

I have tons of hours in cave and raizing shmups, but I still have one "guilty pleasure" in my top 10 shmups. X2 No Relief. Very obscure ps1 euroshmup. Of course, nostalgia plays a big role in this moment, but god lord the music is just amazing and the stage backgrounds and the enemy sprites are gorgeous to this day. Pretty much all stages have different enemies. It's really insane how many enemies their made for this game. The game also gives you a retarded amount of power ups that fills the screen.

BUT would I recommend it to a new player? Never. Anything in this list >>12055967 will teach you better shmup habits and fundamentals if you are new to the genre. Dodging skill? Bomb/Resource management? Pattern memorization? Challenging, but fair difficulty? It's all there.

>>12071147
99% of the people who like them hate playing any other shmup. What does that tell you?

>>12071252
My recommendation to new players is simply to start playing what you think looks cool/fun. The rest will solve itself

>>12070939
NTA but he means these games are designed for fun, instead of rage by filling 95% of the screen with bullets and having bullshit hitboxes and bosses. Just git gud scrub

>>12071271
That euroshmups can be fun in their own right and not everyone has to be a diehard shmuppet that only plays the hardest games?

>>12070919
That's a good beginner shmup. NES Gradius is a bit easier than other Gradius games including PCE Gradius but it's still quite difficult.

I would recommend playing a handful of games you like and alternating between them.

>>12071290
Why aren't Tyrian faggots playing Super Aleste or Gun Nac then?

>>12071276
This. The fun of arcade style games is getting better and doing things like 1cc/scoring runs, which implies playing the game way more than once. With that in mind, you will be more willing to do this if you are playing a game you personally enjoy, even if it's hard as balls, and if anything that's an incentive to get better at it since you aren't going to solve everything NMNB in a few days.

>>12071290
>ughhhhh I just don't want to play the hardest shmups ever you stupiiiid fucking chud!!!
>*refuses to play CAVE games on novice*
>*refuses to play Compile games*
>*refuses to play Qute games*
>*refuses to play Touhou games on easy/normal*
>*refuses to play literally any shmup which isn't rpgslop*
Kill yourself

Battle Garegga is better on Saturn than arcade
What were they thinking with the input lag on the arcade version

>>12071323
1cc is the most soulful way to play arcade games imo
I played a bit in arcades as a kid in the late 90s just before they died, and 1cc is just the natural way of playing without wasting a lot of money: You play 1 credit and see how far you can go before you die, then either play a different game or try the same game again another day
The small place I went to didn't have shmups but I did this a lot with Metal Slug X (or was that 2, don't know the difference between these versions desu)

I don't think new players should think about score, that's for people who love shmups so much and they ran out of good shmups to play so they start playing for score

>>12071141
>>little to no scoring mechanics
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>12071626
Sometimes learning a little scoring is good for survival to be able to reliably get the score extends

>>12071638
It absolutely is. Scoring adds replayability and arcade games are all about it.

>>12055568 (OP)
R Type for NES and Gameboy.
Tyrian 2000 for PC.

I know it's /vr/ but are there any recent shmups you think that can compare to the classics? Totally not related to there being a sale on steam or anything. I already have roms/ports of older games.

>>12071824
Does Earthion count?

>>12070987
A truly great game

looped Dodonpachi for the first time

recommend me some easy vertical shmups, for some reason I'm better at them than horizontal.

>>12072069
Just for clearing, no scoring or looping:
>Batsugun/Batsugun Special
>DoDonPachi
>Espgaluda
>Touhou 6 & 7 & 8
Also check this https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1157621

Does rank management really make much of a difference when trying to clear Darius Gaiden? Other than skipping the occasional shot power up and not laying on the autofire, there doesn't seem to be a lot the player can do to control its rate of increase.

I assumed dying would help, but watching the plots in the M2 port shows losing a life gives you maybe 10 seconds of reprieve before it ramps back higher than it was before. Kind of a shame because I'd think it'd be neat to have to plan where to take deaths for each route based on where you could get your shot level back up, trading lives for lower rank and a new stock of bombs.

This grind stormer game is pretty good. Man, you really can't go wrong with toaplan/cave

>>12072819
Grind Stormer is based.

Maybe I'm getting old, but shmups can be seriously physically tiring both to your fingers and your eyes. It's a genre that forces me to take breaks.

>>12073372
No one cares if you pause even if it's an arcade game, unless they're Twin Galaxies faggots
On arcade stick my hands usually don't get tired but on gamepad they definitely do

>>12073607
I don't mean pausing, was talking about playing them for days in a row.

>>12073610
Oh yeah I can see that
It usually takes me some time to get into the mood to play and when I do it's usually only maybe 1 or 2 runs unless I'm learning a game for the first time. It does feel like a commitment, since it takes complete focus.

am I missing any good chumps on steam

>>12073786
>95% arcade or console ports
Why even getting them on steam.

>>12073789
idk they were cheap
+any training features like stage select makes them at least a little better than mame
the bitwave ports are pretty barebones but again, they were cheap

>>12073790
>+any training features like stage select makes them at least a little better than mame
But MAME has save states to do exactly the same thing.

>>12073372
That's why the first thing I do with a new shmup is go to the options and turn it down to the easiest mode and even then its still often challenging. It's OK to be a casual, but continue to play them. They're good for hand and eye coordination. Especially valuable as you get older.

>>12073786
KAMUI is cool

>>12073815
> It's OK to be a casual, but continue to play them.
Not for me, I can only enjoy easy games if the point is something that's not gameplay, and shmups are gameplay-first.

>>12073820
a lot of shmups are still pretty challenging even on the easiest mode

>>12073828
Not if you played them regularly on whatever is the default arcade setting.

>>12073834
Well that's you. Congrats.

Lol, I remember an anon telling me that my Sanwa joystick would last less than the cheap generic one I was using, and he was right.
After using it for a few hours, I noticed that the "down" micro switch is faulty. Even after the click, the down position can fail, which results, for example, in navigating menus and making the cursor jump two lines when I only pressed down once.
What a piece of crap, holy shit...
Does anyone have any idea how to fix something like this? Or is my joystick simply faulty and needs to be replaced?

>>12074081
You should send a letter to the president of Sanwa-denshi kabushikikaisha and tell him about their inferior product.

>>12073786
strikers and the other psikyos

>>12073786
QP shooting Dangerous!
Rolling Gunner
Dariusburst CS
Sora
The entire Alltynex trilogy
Demonizer
Andro Dunos II
Both Dreamer games from Outside_stg

>>12074125
>and tell him about their inferior product.
He'll say he already knows but doesn't care because it sells well anyway.
I'll try to clean the contacts on the micro switch. I'm retarded and probably won't be able to do it, but it's better to try than throw it in the trash.

The contact cleaner didn't help. Holy shit. Poor people like me just get fucked. When I decide to buy a supposedly decent fucking stick to play my fucking pirated games on my fucking poor retard's computer, the fucking micro switch comes defective.

So, I think this piece of shit is fucked. Does anyone have any suggestions about replacing micro switches? Are there any better options than the standard Sanwa ones?
I'm starting to think this shit is a counterfeit, lol.

>>12074393
Note: It's insane, I'm finding a bunch of complaints about exactly the same problem, with the same switches. A guy on Reddit said he bought a new PCB and three of four of the fucking switches came with the same problem. Then in the comments, they tell him to buy an original one instead of generic replacements, he buys it and posts an update saying that after a few hours of use, the same problem occurred.
I get the impression that this is a common problem with Sanwa's pieces of trash, but none of the sons of bitches who use these garbages can even realize how bad they are.
Holy shit... I feel like when I bought a controller from 8Shitdo and it was so bad that I thought I had fallen for some kind of prank, because everyone on the Internet was praising it.

Conclusion: SANWA SUCKS, DON'T BUY THIS SHIT.

Which shmups have good music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E13w2UqTEg&t=145s

>>12074553
Most of them honestly, i can easily find multiple good tracks from any given shmup I have played

>>12074448
Thanks for the warning, and yeah browsing troubleshoot threads is usually more useful than local reviews.

>>12074081
Sanwa is a meme, ESPECIALLY for shmups
People have always generally agreed that Seimitsu sticks are better for shmups. They're also better for fightans and every other genre, but retards who grew up on Mad Catz sticks aren't ready for that conversation.

>>12074184
>Dariusburst CS
I was interested in this but I saw it has a ton of DLC that adds up to like $60 if you want all of it. I like my games to be complete. Also I still haven't 1cc'd the other Darius games

>>12074756
completely reasonable, though I've played the game myself and i do find it quite enjoyable, that price is utterly inexcusable, which is why I advise you try it out via "alternative means", or in actual Human terms, Pirate the game.

>>12074448
>admit to browsing reddit
>spew completely retarded disinformation
>tell people to buy "madcatz"
God these threads have gotten so incredibly bad, I don't even want to help you people any more. This may as well be a completely different website

I think if M2 does a DoDonPachi port, they should just include DonPachi as an extra. Because no one's gonna buy DonPachi as its own thing, that game is boring as fuck. But as an extra for DoDonPachi it'd be cool.

>>12074772
No one told anyone to buy madcatz
The only mention of madcatz other than you is me saying that they suck for using sanwa kuso parts

>>12074772
It's because of retarded fags like you who protect brands that common reports of crucial problems go unnoticed.
I bought the Sanwa without knowing better, thinking it would be high quality and last forever, and I received something that started to cause a problem that makes some games literally unplayable (fighting games, for example) after a few hours of use. Only one anon warned me, but unfortunately I had already made the purchase when he told me the truth about these shitty sticks.
Fuck it, Sanwa is the biggest meme, as another anon said above. Now I've learned my lesson. I will never buy anything from this brand again.
Note:
And I'm still learning. The micro switches that Sanwa uses, from Omron, are notorious for double-clicking issues in other devices where they are used as well:

>Yes — there are quite a few reports on the Internet of Omron microswitches (especially those used in mice) having problems with “double clicking” (i.e. single presses being registered as two clicks), or related failures like click-drag release, etc. How widespread or severe the issue is depends on factors like model, usage, manufacturing origin, etc. Below is what I found summarizing what people say, what likely causes are, and how big of a concern it seems to be.

>>12075091
>still reposting from reddit like a retard

Should have bought seimitsu BIOTCH

Anyone have a clean 1080p-or-higher version of this background image from DoDonPachi Resurrection? I looked in the game files and it's all cryptic nonsense the images aren't just there.

I don't understand Psikyo
These games seem markedly shittier than Toaplan or CAVE or Raizing yet they're treated like they're another pillar of shmups just like those companies
What the fuck am I missing

>>12075149
I went through a few places like
https://exhentai.org/g/1888610/5c68d4eb35/
https://exhentai.org/g/1076222/6a007e40b0/
but found nothing, unfortunately.
I didn't notice until now that it was same guy who did the art for Dragon Blaze wtf

>>12075206
Which games did you play?

>>12075206
>I played a game for 3 minutes and didn't immediately have fun, so it's shit

>>12075353
Gunbird, Gunbird 2

>>12075448
But with the other ones I can immediately see the fun

>>12075467
You only played 2 games and wrote off the whole brand? At least try strikers 1945 (the first one) and Sengoku Blade

>>12075467
The first Gunbird is arguably one of their worse games but if you didn't like the second then you will probably not enjoy most of Psikyo. Sengoku Blade is a possible exception.
Only real issue with Psikyo for me is that honestly most of it is very samey, there are exception like this one, Sol Divide, Space Bomber and Pilot Kids for a list of things that arent Strikers clones.

>>12075705
>>12075505
Okay Sengoku Blade seems pretty good actually

Do you guys just use save states or what?
And do you need a manual to know what these items do?

>>12075790
>Do you guys just use save states
For practice when you want to learn a later stage without having to play the early ones every single time.
>And do you need a manual to know what these items do?
It's usually obvious enough after collecting them once, but there are wikis around

>>12075790
You can look up 1 cc runs to get a idea about how to route stages you're having trouble with. If the strat you see looks too hard to pull of you can bomb there.

>>12075790
I mostly play for clears so I just credit feed run after run using less credits each time until I get to the point where I 1cc
If you're playing for score then save states are very useful

>>12075871
States also useful for 1cc really. As long you use them as you would with a console port training mode.(e.g. to replay the last stage over and over)

I fixed this piece of shit, I think.

TIP for anyone having problems with double input on the micro switches of their Sanwa joysticks:
>open the joystick
>open the cap of the faulty micro switch (note that up-down and left-right are reversed)
>connect the open controller to your computer (being careful not to fuck everything up)
>test it.

In my case, without the cap that keeps the micro switch closed, everything worked perfectly. I assumed that when that micro switch was closed, something inside wasn't exactly where it should be, so I pressed everything to make sure they were properly fitted and closed the micro switch with its cap again.
Now everything is working. Let's see how long it lasts...

based on my atrocious dogshit performance here how many dozens of hours do you think it will take me to 1cc this game

I want to 1cc Darius Gaiden and G Darius but I'm getting slaughtered

>>12076025
You need more practice

Having only played shmups for a dozen or two hours total now, and only with a keyboard, my question is: Why would anyone want to use something as terrible as a joystick for playing these games? I'm basically constantly tapping the keys to modulate my speed as well as properly misdirect bullets by nudging slightly in one direction. Anything that isn't just made of buttons is completely ridiculous for this task. It just isn't efficient at all. It's unergonomic and ergo more tiring, less precise, more prone to causing injury, and all-around worse in literally every single way possible.

>>12076037
True and based. It's not like it's impossible to learn on any other controller, but keyboard is almost built for it.

>>12076037
Arcade sticks are fun and it's what they use at the arcades. Where these games were traditionally played. Also they're less tiring than keyboards and you can play with them on your lap chillin' in a gaming position rather than a working-on-spreadsheets position

>>12076037
Joysticks are more enjoyable to play with when you're performing command sequences, such as moves in fighting games. But these movements aren't exclusive to fighting games.
Tetris Grandmaster (2 forward) is one of the best examples I can think of. There's something in that game that guys call a Zangi Move, which is moving a piece at one end of the screen, below another piece, and locking it in place quickly. With an arcade stick, you don't think while doing this, you just do the "Zangi Move" and the piece ends up in the right place everytime.
In shoot 'em ups, things like that happen sometimes.
So, when you're playing by making predetermined movements instead of just digitally adjusting your position, arcade sticks are simply more enjoyable.

>>12072036
Much better, although I had a handful of retarded deaths in the first loop

>>12076043
They objectively aren't less tiring than keyboards. You have to make large motions with gross muscle groups when playing with a joystick. A keyboard only requires very small movements with small muscle groups to play. If you find keyboard tiring, you need to improve your posture or your keyboard's ergonomics. Sit upright in your chair, get an adjustable-height desk and ensure 90-degree arm position, and get a keyboard with very light actuation. There is no way that moving your fingers up and down a few millimeters at most can be as tiring as joystick movements. That just is not possible.
>>12076086
This sounds like an actual skill issue. I also don't think about any motions I need to do while playing a game once I'm used to it. It's called practice. I've used keyboard for movement in games for decades. FPS games, MMOs with keyboard-based movement, RPG Maker games, and basically any emulated 2D console game will give most avid gamers thousands of hours of using this exact control scheme (moving a character around in space with keyboard controls such as WASD or arrow keys). It might take a slight bit more time (a few hours maybe?) to get used to than a joystick, but I passed that point so far back in my childhood that I can't remember what it was even like not to be comfortable with those controls.

>>12076725
On the keyboard, you do exactly the same thing. Look at the "Zangi Move" gif. You don't need to think about what you're going to do, you just put the piece in the right place and press up+left+down (in the case of the example). The point is that most people will find it more enjoyable to make this movement on a joystick than by quickly pressing up+left+down with their fingers.
Arcade sticks introduce this fun factor into some games that would be more about technique if played on a keyboard. It's kind of like racing wheels making simulators much more fun and visceral, but to a lesser degree, and with the difference that the fight stick is generally WORSE in terms of performance than a keyboard or hit box (whereas a racing wheel is much better for driving cars in simulators than the other alternatives).

>>12073786
Under Defeat


not retro
Jamestown
Drainus
Astrolancer
Angel at dusk
Devil engine

>>12076873
All shmups are retro in spirit.
Unless they try to "modernize" the genre.

>>12073786
Vasara Collection is good, I recommend it. The collection includes two games from the series, and even has a shitty, horrible 3D version as a bonus that you can completely ignore, lol.
I recommend starting with Vasara 1, and realizing that you can use melee attacks to destroy projectiles and enemies. In fact, you'll be using melee attacks pretty much all the time, more than normal shooting.

>>12076037
>Anons are replying to this bait seriously

M2 please make these:
1. DonPachi + DoDonPachi + Campaign Version in one release
2. Armed Police Batrider I'll pay for the music rights
3. Parodius Origins (all the arcade games + the SNES and Saturn ports + all three versions of Jikkyou Oshaberi)
4. Muchi Muchi Pork
5. Guwaaaaaaaaaaang
6. Giga Wang
7. Mars Matrix
8. Put all of it + back catalog on STEAM

>>12077017
9. Futari

>>12077017
>Armed Police Batrider I'll pay for the music rights
Wait is this why Batrider didn't get modern ports?

>>12077021
That's what one anon said, I haven't been able to find much on it so it could just be misinformation but it's not like there's much readily accessible info on shmups in general. Anon said that the composer plagiarized some shit.

>>12077017
Never gonna happen

>>12077021
M2 got a baseline version of it working but didn't have the time to put in the effort to add all of the tracking for the secrets and whatnot so didn't release it.
>>12077028
>plagiarized
Probably some schizo toby fox "plagiarism" shit.

>>12077028
There are people pointing out that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn10l3b--ds sounds like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_fvAZSexg
Not sure about the rest

>>12078375
ok yeah that's pretty blatant

I'm regressing. I'm now filtered by stage 2. Popcorn I've never had trouble with before had killed me 10 consecutive times. I'll never no miss through chapter 3, the 1cc will never be mine

>>12078489
Happens when you play a lot. Take a small break

Is the Mushihimesama Futari slowdown accurate on 360 running in Xenia? I've played a lot on both this and PCB and I swear there's a LOT more slowdown on 360.

Trying to see what's fun with this genre and found myself a copy of Earth Defense Force on the SNES
Haven't sunk half an hour into the game yet but it feels kind difficult
Is every shmup like this?

>>12079187
Weird seethe but ok

>>12078945
Shmups tend to be quite difficult, but that can be said for most arcade games.
I think the difference is that most other genres, when they go from arcades to consoles/PCs, become easier, but shmups tend to remain just as difficult.
I don't know the cause of this phenomenon. I think shmups become bland if they're too easy, so the developers have no choice. A game like Super Mario, for example, can be super easy, and yet it's still fun to play, like a toy or something. But if a shmup is as easy as Super Mario, no one will find it fun.
Anyway, there are a lot of shoot 'em ups that are quite entertaining because of the challenge. I only played EDF on that Switch service many years ago, it's not bad, but as far as I remember, it didn't really grab me. I think there are a lot of more interesting things to play.

>>12078945
>>12080257
And one thing I forgot, but I personally play shoot 'em ups like I play Tetris. That is, in small sections, but always coming back to them.
I think this is the normal logic of these games. If you just pick up a game and play it nonstop, you'll get tired of it, but if you get into the habit of always coming back to the same games and trying to improve your skills and scores, as you do in Tetris-style games, they end up becoming a very addictive habit, even if you're not a video game god.

>>12055568 (OP)
play samidare.
https://youtu.be/8KF1UnktHcE

>>12078489
And just like that I'm back with a new PB in stage 5 after sleeping on it
They need to research this phenomenon.

>>12080321
You were tired and needed some rest. People don't have infinite stamina, be it physical or mental.

>>12079187
at least it's an MS Paint drawing
now make it not the exact same faggy format and maybe you can get someone else to post it instead of being the gu...what even is that picture supposed to saying?

>>12080362
>what even is that picture supposed to saying?
Incoherent seething over people enjoying harder games while acknowledging they aren't robots who can always perform at their best after several hours of attempts.

Are shoot 'em ups easier when played with two players?

>>12080840
Yes

>>12080840
Battle Garegga and Daioujou are harder, honestly. I often play them on fightcade in hopes of finding someone semi-competent at dodging bullets, but most of the time I just end up playing with credit feeders.

>Garegga
Difficulty automatically changes to Harder mode in 2 Players mode and it requires a really polished route and resource management, since both players need to control the rank.

>Daioujou
A lot of patterns have different behavior in 2 Players mode and it's almost impossible to get the first extend through scoring. The only way to get the extends is letting players take turns between stage 1 and 2 to full chain through them. Also, players can't pick the same element doll, so no double EXY for the best damage output.

The ones that I find easier based on my coop experience:
>DDP
Easy to get the first extend and you can spam bomb for the win
>Guwange
No scoring required, bomb carriers drop two bombs and there's A LOT of extends through the game
>Giga Wing and Vasara
Bullet eating mechanic

>>12075149
here you go anon, with the steam version if you go into training mode and exit it'll clear the UI off the screen for a second and you can get a screencap of the background art.

>>12081236
Nice, thank you

Collecting items in dimahoo just raises your score, right? You don't gain NY special properties with them? Also, I played this for an hour before realizing there was a polarity mechanic.

>>12081332
>You don't gain ANY special properties with them?
You do, only if you finish a full set of said item
https://shmups.wiki/library/Great_Mahou_Daisakusen#Scoring

Any top-down shooters like pocky and rocky? I always preferred exploring levels as a normal guy/girl instead of being a spaceship on an auto-scroller.

>>12081895
Heavenly Guardians - basically reskinned P&R due to legal issues
The recent PC port of Mamorukun
Sanae's Youkai Extermination Lesson - 2hu doujin game
Guwange - it's still a traditional shmup, but follows the same concept
Shock Troopers and 2nd Squad - run n gun, but it's up there gameplay wise

>>12081895
Check out Shock Trooper 2nd Squad

Is it just me or does Premium mode have a really unbalanced difficulty curve
It be easy as fuck and then bam 40% rank stage 6 fuck you

>>12082240
Afak the rank in Premium mode only increase the number of flying enemies, number of bullets and bullet speed. It doesn't affect enemy HP, unlike the original one. Plus your hitbox is smaller in this mode.

How does Bastugun compare to other Toaplan games? Is it good, average, or bad? Easy or difficult?

>>12077017
>Giga Wang
why would they release it again... is already on steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1556727/Capcom_Arcade_StadiumGiga_Wing/

>>12082565
Excellent and easy

>>12082996
>Excellent
heh

>>12074081
>>12074393
>>12074448
>>12075091
I've had problems with JLX's before, but my JLF's typically last 2-4 years before either becoming too loose or having a switch malfunction. That's with daily use. Idk how tf y'all are having such issues.

>>12055568 (OP)
any shmups that are at least about an hour long?

>>12062705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc5CCrqaLGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I12utTo88D4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqfoG3gz2q8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW5qo2gNJq0

>>12064193
It references the P-38 from World War II

>>12071824
The Girl From Gunma Kai, Earthion, Grand Cross Renovation
They're all quite easy compared to the classics though

>>12081895
Outzone, Twinkle Tale

>>12083291
Aleste and Cambria Sword come to mind. There are also shmups that loop repeatedly, like Outzone, and can be played for many hours.

>>12055568 (OP)
Steam Hearts on PC-98 or PC Engine
Sapphire for PC Engine

Gunbird

>>12083291
Gradius V

>>12083291
Anything Compile.

>>12083543
>Sapphire for PC Engine
This game honestly sucks and I cannot take anyone who recommends it seriously.

>>12085095
+1
Compile games are great and fun and less hard than other companies.
Recomending:
Zanac nes
Super aleste snes (totally finishable)
Power strike 1 master system (with base weapon ton the max)
(don't like power strike 2 much harder)

And if you survived the list above:
Musha MD

>>12085157
Zanac for the NES is good but it's quite difficult. Amazing game for the NES, it feels like a 16bit game almost. Pretty good game but the biggest issue I have is how centered it is around it's rank system. Really ahead of it's time but the balance of the game changes so much depending on what weapon you have it's like it becomes a different game.

Personally I prefer weapon 4. The shield is awful and useless because you are just endlessly swarmed by enemies. The base secondary weapon is also useless. Your main weapon powers up too slowly too. It has Gradius syndrome and the extremely blatant rank system should have been a little more forgiving when you die. Despite all this, it's still very good and one the best shmups on the NES easily. I just wish they released the Aleste games on things other than now obscure consoles and Japanese computers. A SNES collection cartridge would have been amazing. At least re-release the collection on steam or something with box art and paraphernalia galleries built in and none of this Japanese Egg service bullshit.

>>12082240
Wait, wait. Guys.

Was Battle Garegga physical released on the PS4?

>>12085832
Yeah. The English release was done by limited run and is mad gouged, but there's a Korean physical release that is more reasonably priced on ebay.

Go play Mars Matrix.

>>12085145
You're bashing the wrong one of the two

>>12055568 (OP)


Galaga. arcade or arcade equivalent

Some one already said space invaders.

Terra Cresta or moon cresta - mundane by todays standards

Then Gradius arcade -Then star soldier nes.

>>12055568 (OP)
arkanoid

Why are western guides so full of hot air.
>Yeah uh so here's my clear
>This is what I did
>Uh I just bomb this part
How about some fundamentals for when I play the game?

Got my second 3.5M flamingos today and I instantly threw it away, cus madball refused to leave the top of the screen.

Darius Gaiden on Cozmic Collection feels kinda weird on my arcade stick, it feels like inputs "stick" sometimes like I'll move down for way longer than I intended. I know 100% this isn't a stick issue since no other game has ever done this. Anyone else have this issue?

>>12086059
Yeah I know what you mean but I never played Steam Hearts for that reason.

Sapphire I just find very overrated mainly because of the rarity and graphics but IMO it's a very mediocre shooter and one I never liked. For a vertical I find the vertical depth very short and the screen too wide in comparison, maybe the player sprite is too big.

>>12055568 (OP)
Galaga
Raiden DX Training/Novice Course
Batsugun/Batsugun Special Version
Armed Police Batrider Normal Course
Deathsmiles
DoDonPachi
DoDonPachi DaiFukkatsu
Mushihimesama
Darius Gaiden
Gradius
Parodius Da!
Fantasy Zone
Touhou 6 or 7 or 8
Crimzon Clover Novice
ZeroRanger

Vertical or Horizontal /vr/?

>>12088367
If you play enough it doesn't really matter and a good shmup is a good shmup.

>>12088367
Horizontal so I don't have to rotate my monitor