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How do you find out your local pinballs?
I usually use the Insert Coin app (Europe). Works great and the maps is usually up to date.
My worst experience was traveling 30 minutes to play Indiana Jones (good old widebody). The bar's owner was an old bitter lady in her late 60s. There was no one else. I ordered a beer (which tastes soapy) and asked if I could turn the machine on... she refused, and said it was "broken" when I insisted.
So there I was, drinking a shitty beer in silence.
>>12079595
It's a nice machine but I can't bear the music. Such a shame.

>>12079951
i mostly just play what's at pinball bar here called LITT. They get limited editions of everything, and all the extras like animated toppers. They also add extra lights so i can see all the playfield art. I don't go anywhere else for just pinball.

There's a (mostly vintage) arcade bar a mile south with a dozen base models that take 1 quarter or a token that costs me $0, $0.10, $0.25/2 or $0.25 depending on when i go and how many people hand me their extras on the way out because i'm cute.

And another with several EMs for entry fee. It's also a vintage arcade, mini golf, bar, music venue with two stages, and a few other things, inside a former can factory. Bigger cans, not just soup for your family.

I like sticking my dick in the coin return slot because I play way better when i'm humping the machines. Tilting is a problem, but if I can avoid that then I always get a really big score. Some of the games are actually more fun when you play them this way. Simpsons Pinball Party is a real slut.

only virtual pinballs are bideogames

>look up pinball machines in local bars around me
>it's all Jaws (2024), Godzilla, Stranger Things and Rush
God damn I hate Stern machines.

>>12080801
Read the sticky dumbass

>>12079951
>How do you find out your local pinballs?
Pinside used to be good for the map but I don't know what has happened in the last few years with that site as nothing in my area has been updated in a very long time and I can't update shit because my account is locked or something.
Sadly pinside has the reddit upvote/downvote echochamber mentality and the retards who buy new machines overrate them to justify their purchases.

I just check out every pub and bar I come across in person to scope out whether they have a table or not.

>>12080829
>Sadly pinside has the reddit upvote/downvote echochamber mentality and the retards who buy new machines overrate them to justify their purchases
Agreed. Plus it's full of consoomers who add tons of pointless, ultra expensinve "mods".

>I just check out every pub and bar I come across in person to scope out whether they have a table or not.
So uh... do you just come in, look around and leave if they have none, or still order a beer/coffee to put up a front?
Last time I asked a zoomie barman during my holidays he was like "those things still exist?". I had a little stroke.

Costco JP sold out without getting discounted. Now they got a crap looking Star Wars one.

>>12079951
https://pinballmap.com/ has been extremely reliable for me when traveling

>>12080867
Cool, thanks!
Turns out there a NBA Fastbreak ~20 minutes drive from me.
>last updated Sep 19, 2023
I'm scared.

I've been playing Pinball FX VR on Quest 3, you can place tables in your living room in mixed reality mode, it's pretty cool

https://youtu.be/No-lxQByEzE

>>12080932
Quite impressive, honestly. A shame they add all these little gay 3D animations.
How are the physics?

Eternal thread theme, now and forevermore.
https://youtu.be/FASUZRYs0fM

>>12080942
Thankfully you can turn off the shitty cartoon animations, ball trail and pop up scores. Physics seem the same as the PC/console version with separate normal and supposedly more realistic physics although I couldn't tell you how realistic as I haven't touched a real machine since the 90s.

>>12079542 (OP)
I have a Lethal Weapon 3 and I'm picking up a nib Godzilla Premium tomorrow

>>12080957
Pinball FX physics are crap. However, VPX works in VR and also does mixed reality with better physics, hundreds of better recreations of real machines, and can be used with any kind of hardware including shakers, solenoids, and other motors.

>>12080845
Walk in, check the place out, if there's a pool table or a room for a pool table there's the chance that they might have a pinball table.
I might have a beer if the place looks alright, check out the menu if they have food or just walk straight out. I have no obligation to talk to anyone if I'm not interested in the place and believe it or not, most bar staff don't give a fuck if you don't want their business, just smile and walk out. Or a "hey never been in here, I walk past all the time just checking it out, I'm cool".

>>12082031
is that table huge or is that dude real smol

>>12082269
That's Hercules, the biggest pinball machine ever: 7 feet long, 39 inches wide, and 91 inches tall.

I like those zaccaria games that have extra flippers to save the ball when it goes to the side drains but you cant spam them when used once you have to recharge them
Im shocked I never saw them anywhere else

>>12080880
You could always call them. Or send an email

>>12082736
I looked it up, that bar has extremely shitty reviews on Google (the guy is rude, refuses to be paid with anything but cash money, etc.). The phone number is a cellphone. I'm too awkward on the phone to do this. I'll take my car tomorrow and report back to you guys.

Has anybody played Terminator 3? I've watched videos of it but I've never happened to come by it in person.
I really like "sequel" tables where play elements are re-used, and T2 is one of my favorites. Plus there's a backboard gimmick with shooting a ball, I always like those.
>>12082804
Let us know how it goes, I'm emotionally invested now.

>>12082815
>Plus there's a backboard gimmick with shooting a ball, I always like those.
Looks fun! There's also one in the pinball that's *maybe* still in this shady bar. Pic related,
>Let us know how it goes
I will.

>>12081412
Mothra has landed

>>12080932
That looks rad as hell! Does it support all Pinball FX tables?

>>12082031
>Manlytears poses with his childhood pinball toy

>>12080932
aww sick, is that new? I was saying they should do that a few years ago.

>>12083214
Never played with a shaker motor before, this thing feels like it's gonna shake the house down. Fucking sweet

I picked up some new tables for Pinball FX during the recent sale.

Party Zone: Worst of the bunch. Didn't like the theme. Didn't like the shots, and the call outs were kinda lame.

The Black Rose: Good theme and interesting shots, but I'd have to play more to get a better idea, cause right now I'm on the fence

Attack From Mars: Absolutely amazing. great modes, great shots. Shooting down UFO's reminds me of destroying castles in Medieval Madness. Definite frontrunner of recent pickups.

Sword of Fury:I dig the 80's warrior king vibes, brings me back to watching Conan, Beastmaster, or any of those barbarian films from the 80's. I like it, but I feel like I've barely seen what it has to offer, so I'll definitely need to give it more playtime to get a more thorough idea of where it will stand for me.

>>12083809
People sometimes call Attack from Mars a prototype version of Medieval Madness. Two games are very similar in structure.

>>12083815
That makes sense. I was barely onto my second ball when I had the same thought.

You guys need to seriously work on your image. None of you have done a good job of marketing pinball or explaining what's so cool about it to normal people not in the hobby.

I'm not insulting pinball. It probably is fun to play once you "get into it". But I'm saying that none of you can explain what's so awesome about it.

To casuals, you all come across as weirdos being extremely hyper obsessed with a metal ball bouncing around a field. Why should kids play pinball over other video games?

If you can't answer that, without saying stuff like "just play it and you will see", then pinball will never be popular on this board.

I occasionally play pinball games for fun at my local arcade. They have handful of pins. But I do not understand how some of you drop $50,000 to $100,000 on your own home collectors of pinball. I don't even understand how a pinball machine can cost $10,000 to $15,000. Seems very overpriced for what it is. Especially since so many of you complain about build quality.

>>12083214
>>12083730
Enjoy it, anon.
I had an old Data East with a shaker motor (Tales from the Crypt) and deactivated it because it didn't add much to the gameplay.
>>12083809
>The Black Rose: Good theme and interesting shots, but I'd have to play more to get a better idea, cause right now I'm on the fence
I like this one, but a shame there's usually not much to do beside hitting the double mast all the time. Too much space is lost to the three 3 banks target.

>>12084103
maybe nobody fucking cares? I just got into it recently because I wanted to, not because it was "sold" to me like I'm some kind of impressionable, malleable redditnigger. I don't fucking care if you feel sold on it or not, go fuck off to /v/ faggot

>>12082031
>>12083497
it stinks, but i still play it when i can, because the one here is on freeplay. I first encountered one at the state fair though.

>>12084103
the pinball bar here is thriving. At the arcade bar a mile from there, pinball always fills up first. At another venue with freeplay, there's always alt baddies at the pinball tables. At the gaming convention, the pinballs are mostly occupied until the arcade closes at 2am. Even the gay coffee shop has a basement full of pinball. It's fine.

>>12084261
Pinball only work with barcades. Since barcades earn their profit through drinks and food sales. Pinball don't actually earn much money. Sometimes they are a drain on funds since they need maintenance, especially the older pins.

>>12084276
>Pinball only work with barcades
They work in normal bars, stop talking out of your ass.

Anyone played that new King Kong?

>>12084309
i'm enjoying XENOTILT :-)

>>12084301
I did at my local bar. I didn't enjoy it at all, but to be honest I fucking hate all Stern machines released for the past 10 years or so.

>>12084289
>They work in normal bars, stop talking out of your ass.
If a bar has arcade or pinball, then it's a barcade.

>>12084103
Pinball is gatekept by nobody, and yet it remains a niche instead of a booming industry. The gaming industry moved on and the only people who still care are fans who will learn about its history and teach themselves how to play various tables because they want to, it is no longer a profitable game format benefitting from mass consumption like it did in the fifties.

Those who choose to play pinball know there are many different games with engaging challenges due to the variety of rulesets for every table. If you can't appreciate the effort that goes into building, maintaining, and playing a table, your presence won't be missed.

>>12084325
Stupid zoomer slang. It's normal for bars to have a pinball, darts, pool or baby-foot.

>>12084330
Your not one of "those people" who tried to call it a 'pinbar' are you? Cringe.

>>12084348

>darts,
Sure

>pool
Ok

>pinball
Nope. This hasn't been true since the 1970s or mid 1980s. Most bars don't want to pay for the maintenance of a pinball machine. It's one the reasons why pinball fell out of favor in the late 1980s and 1990s with normal bars. It's also why some pinball companies went out of business. Bars were buying the machines anymore.

Also pinball isn't a social game. So it doesn't encourage social interaction. It just has weirdos playing by themselves. The other games like darts or pool do. Even video arcade cabinets have 2 player and 4 player roptions.

>>12084301
LITT here in Minneapolis has Kong LE, with the topper, and they've added an extra screen up there that shows a loop of all the King Kongs. It also has extra lights because LITT adds extra lights to every table.

I like it, and the fat I go there with really likes it.

>>12084325
barcades are intentionally centered around selling alcohol alongside playing arcade games.
>>12084397
I have a local place called "pinbar" and it's like I described above but with pinball instead of arcade games.
>>12084401
There are so many pinball tables that allow multiplayer though.

>>12084325
>>12084401
most bars i go to have one pinball table. Until fairly recently, that's how pins have been deployed anywhere, one at a time.

>>12084401
outside of arcades, often a separate operator owns the pin and does maintenance while the venue gets a cut.

>>12084410
>There are so many pinball tables that allow multiplayer though.
Aren't they all old ones that nobody plays anymore? Everyone seems to just want to play the latest stuff like Godzilla and Jaws.

>>12084401
Pinball absolutely is a social game. 4-player has been a standard feature since they went electronic, and even some EMs have it. 2-player kinda sucks though because one is just being a cuck. 3-4 players is nice because you can chat.

You can also play split flipper on any pinball. I do that often with the bestie :3

>>12084346
The industry is fairly healthy though. There's multiple companies putting out new tables every year, the latest being last month's Star Wars: Fall of the Empire, by Stern

>>12084426
You'll not find a single new one that doesn't have that very standard feature. Put in credits for each player, press start button once for each player. It's been like that since the 70s or maybe earlier. I usually don't do multiplayer at the EM/TTL/vintage venue because they're all on free play and friends are getting drinks and stuff between sets (it's also a music venue)

it's funny seeing bumpkins and the terminally checked out thinking pinball is dead when it's more popular than ever lol

the pinballs here are always swarmed by queer zoomers

Older enthusiasts, who look like pinballers, won't touch most tables older than 1990 because the rulesets are too shallow to not bore them. Most of the best tables are from after you sad old sacks assumed it was dead.

I'm particularly fond of Simpsons Pinball Party :-)

>>12084437
I think he's talking about dual multi-player pinball like Joust pinball. Not players taking turns.

>>12084486
that's neato but probably sucks. Novel features usually suck, like the ultrawides. LITT has a row of them xD

>>12084432
I'm aware they're still making tables, but the scale is incomparable to the peak of pinball in the seventies and eighties. Let me illustrate my point through the help of pinside:
1940 - 1949: 179 tables (early stage)
1950 - 1959: 365 tables (growth)
1960 - 1969: 449 tables (continues)
1970 - 1979: 798 tables (boom)
1980 - 1989: 519 (boom ends)
1990 - 1999: 206 tables (freefalling)
2000 - 2009: 49 tables (crash)
2010 - 2019: 190 tables (upturn)
2020 - 2025: 195 tables (recovering)

Yes the industry is healthy, but only after cutting manufacturing runs way back. It isn't and likely will never be at the same scale as it was during the seventies and eighties, but I do think the late 2010s was a sort of pinball renaissance as we have seen a great selection of new and highly acclaimed tables since then, and sales have grown especially recently. Godzilla could very well break the 10k sold mark, but I don't think it'll top The Addams Family's 20k. All in all the industry is much healthier compared to the 2000s but that's not saying much considering where the industry used to be.

>>12084486
Taking turns is still social interaction, unless your friends walk away and don't watch you play.

>>12079951
>It's a nice machine but I can't bear the music.
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>12084557
How many of each table were made though?

>>12079595
I'm intrigued, but i haven't learned to be good at it and i'm not eager to try again for a dollar per play so it may not happen unless there's another freeplay day

>>12084557
>Let me illustrate my point through the help of pinside
Go back there, stay there.

i kinda want my own Total Nuclear Annihilation because it seems like it would be very low maintenance.

But what I really want is a hybrid table I'll never see at the bar, because it's not considered a real pinball. I want to play Weird Al pinball.

>>12084580
That entirely depends on table and license popularity, also it's hard to get exact run numbers for tables still in production. Ask an insider how many Elton John tables have sold and we can compare it to Capt. Fantastic and The Brown Dirt Cowboy, but I also think there's something to be said about modern digital tables selling better than electromagnetic tables.

>>12084586
Excuse me for not having access to private sales data. If you have a better source you're free to share it.

>>12084103
Its not my job to do that.
I discovered pinball by playing games offered on steam recently, as of one year ago or so, all by myself and Ive bought a lot of tables and then Ive been telling some friends but they dont care

Tell the companies that make the games to put money on marketing dont blame the few fans that exist

>>12084864
i only got into playing pinball well because the arcade bar happened to have Medieval Madness which does some fun mechanical stuff that's straightforward to activate.

I'd been avoiding most pins because they had licensed IP on them, which had me assuming they were of poor quality. Only later did I learn that is not the case with pinball.

>>12084880
Yeah its not like with vidogames where licensed ones suck, in pinball sadly original themes usually sell like shit so they need to pay for a theme to slap on top

>>12084447
I actually enjoy the older ones with simpler rulesets the most, maybe because Im a brainlet

>>12084892
Also they tend to be harder and games go for 5 minutes instead of lasting one hour

>>12082815
I'm reporting back. It's been surprising.
Turns out the pinball has been swapped by... another basketball-themed pinball! Which is very curious, considering basketball is absolutely non-existent here (western Europe).
I ordered a beer and asked the old lady (all tanned and leathery) if I could turn it on. She said "go ahead".
Turns out it's a pretty bad pinball: bad condition (the balls were almost rusty) and the rules were extremely shallow; it all came down to getting as many multiballs as possible to score, as far as I understand. Since the skill ceiling at that bar was low, judging from the scores, I managed to get a couple of specials (free credit) without bothering to look up the rules. I ended up with 6 games for 2€.
And at one point, a fucking boomer barged in and exclaimed "WOW A PINBALL! THEY STILL EXIST?!". He then proceeded to talk to me how bars were like in the 60s and 70s, etc. I politely listened while playing but it wasn't interesting.
By that point I was bored out of the machine so I told him to play "my" remaining credit. He seemed surprisingly happy about playing pinball again after all those decades.

>>12084925
Looks like a fun layout

>>12084864
>Ive bought a lot of tables and then Ive been telling some friends but they dont care
And why do you think that is? Because you don't know how to get them into it and you are bad at marketing it.

>>12085019
fuck up cunt

Funhouse tips? It's ripping my ass apart.
Also the midnight theme goes hard af

>>12085019
Pay me and Ill market it.

>>12085245
>passed on buying a Funhouse earlier this year
>the owner sloppily put a mylar on the playfield
>it created air bubbles, risk of ripping paint off if I remove it
>mfw
I know I did the right thing, but damn this game is appealing IRL.

Hey I'm not really into pinball, but I do restoration work on some video arcades in my collection. I was curious about the Pinball playfield. I've seen some really worn playfields on older machines.

Do they do any sort of coating or top coat on the playfield? Or is it just raw paint with nothing else? I wonder if adding a really thick layer of top coat would keep the playfield from getting worn out so much.

>>12085276
Depends on the era and brand but yeah, there's a factory coating. diamond plate coating pinball

>>12085284
>diamond plate coating pinball
Lmao, forgot to erase my google search for the pic, sorry.
As an apology, here's an infuriating thing that happened when I playing in a bar. The ball was totally stuck because of the band, The barman gave me back my coins.

>>12084557
190 tables made in the last 5 years? Lmao what

>>12085276
Pretty sure people wax their play fields

>>12085398
Some wax it, some take off the used coating and put a new one (mylar), some put a playfield protector over their coating. Wax and playfield protector change the physics of the ball.

>>12085245
do the things to advance the clock so the dummy sleeps and their mouth opens, put the ball in the mouth. After I've done that, anything else is post-game as far as I'm concerned.

>>12085289
the pinball bar here will refund quarters if I start a 4-player game at 1:59 am while the GTFO music is playing and they flip the master power switch

>>12085394
i'm seeing fewer on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pinball_machines

>>12085245
>>12085720
The jackpot is the trapdoor shot after activating multiball. Dropping multiball and shooting the center hallway brings you back to midnight so you can quickly restart multiball.

>>12084103
Because inviting casuals to video games worked out so well.

>>12085790
Video games were always casual slop for actual babies, and there's still excellent full experience games every year :-)

pinball is pretty cool and when people learn that I'm into it they treat it like it's some niche esoteric hobby that I'm into

>>12086353
Is it not?

>>12086434
None of my friends shy away from pinball

>>12085743
Nice info, thanks. Also, you now hear the theme song.

>>12086353
Depends where you live I guess, finding a table in my country is akin to finding the holy grail. So yeah it's niche when most people haven't even thought about pinball in 30 years

>>12088186
Most zoomers here haven't even laid eyes on a pinball machine in their entire life which is just crazy to me

>>12088174
I miss that machine at my local hot dog place. Now they have some stern shit.

>>12088186
Where do you live, anon?
t.~15 pinballs or so in my town.

>>12084486
This is awesome. How come I've never seen this before? I love these unique pinball designs. We are in a Pinball revival but companies keep making the same style pinball over and over again. I want unique pins!!

>>12089197
Pinball enthusiasts/operators don't like when they're too different. This one takes up more space than a standard pin while being 2-player only so single guys aren't dropping quarters, and no one wants to look at pinball guys head-on, not even their friends.

>>12089679
>no one wants to look at pinball guys head-on, not even their friends.
Huh? Are you guys socially awkward or something? This makes no sense. People play air hockey all the time and look at eachother.

>>12089707
Pinball guys are unattractive, especially the married ones.

>>12089707
Don't take the bait, that fag tries to shit up the thread.

>>12089707
Zoomers are all socially awkward because they were raised entirely online. They don't go to bars, sports games, pool halls, bowling alley, or concerts, just Roblox and discord

>>12089958
poly puppygirls go to local shows all the time and be stinky because they were raised by white people.

>>12089958
a wiki-worthy dive bar and venue here just closed and now it's becoming a mosque, which makes sense because it's in a neighborhood with a nickname "Little Mogadishu" and the back patio is actually touching a majority Somali apartment complex.

It's not just changes in youth behavior. One of the previous owners stole money to fund a coke habit.

>>12089992
People smelling bad is a result of dirt usually, blacks Cheetos and all manner of fried grease, Indians curry, Asians fish, usually white people who smell bad are fishy scandis or garlic Italians

>>12089992
People smelling bad is a result of diet usually, blacks Cheetos and all manner of fried grease, Indians curry, Asians fish, usually white people who smell bad are fishy scandis or garlic Italians

>>12090976
So what you're saying is that good-tasting food makes people smell bad? Got it. I'm gonna continue stinking and eating things that taste good.

>>12084103
>I don't even understand how a pinball machine can cost $10,000 to $15,000.
They're highly complex, specialized machines with lots of bespoke moving parts. They also target a niche market these days; like you've mentioned, and the companies that make them are highly secretive in regards to releasing technical information that could help end-users maintain them. When you combine all these factors, that's probably why pinball machines are so expensive.

>>12091578
>highly secretive in regards to releasing technical information that could help end-users maintain them

>>12080823
Whats wrong with Stern machines? I've played Spooky, JJP and Chicago Gaming Company and enjoyed em all.

>>12080957
Realistic in FX feels significantly better than it did in FX3 or TPA's physics, at least compared to my pin or my local arcade.
FX3's realistic physics felt so bad IMO that the fake "zen" physics felt better, and TPA was just babby mode for the most part.

>>12091578
>the companies that make them are highly secretive in regards to releasing technical information that could help end-users maintain them.
That's odd. My JJP pin came with both a full technical manual as well as a digitized version of said manual on the game itself.

>>12093332
NTA but I've found them to be a combination of feeling relatively "plain" and designed to drain more easily then many other brands. I do love a few specific modern Sterns, like Black Knight Sword of Rage or anything by Keith Elwin(Iron Maiden, Stern Jurassic Park, Godzilla). IMO his pins are the best Stern has put out since the 2000's.

>>12093332
Stern is just bland depending on who designed the game

how do pinballfags feel about the greatest virtual pinball game ever made?

>>12094027
Not even in the top 10 best virtual pinball games ever made

>>12094047
name 10 better pinball games

>>12084103
if you don't get it you don't get it

>>12093332
They're plain and boring to me. And there's the stupid action button.
Gameplay wise, they're usually too multiball focused for me, and the multiball mode is really not interesting, usually lots of flashing arrows to shoot at to be rewarded with over the top "JACKPOOOOT" call outs. That's not fun to me, I'd rather have one target to shoot at, which needs balls management (like Theatre of Magic) or shots combinations (like Judge Dredd or Banzai Run).
Stern also seems to love mystery awards, which I find useless as the awards are really not interesting (super pops, orbits are lit, etc.).
I'll also mention the LCD, which adds nothing to the game and features long and lazy animations and video clips. It adds nothing and take your eyes off the game.
It's just a big bore to me. I'm a 90s DMD guy.
>>12093459
You just took the bait.

What's the worst that could happen if I posted my Stern Insider Connected QR code here?

>>12094721
No one cares about that faggot shit here

>>12094721
Being rightfully called out as an attention whore.

>>12080829
>le random interwebs post changes reality

>>12095142
huh?

>>12095165
Nigger he is saying that pinball is not a video game. Just because it is often found alongside video games (like ticket games at Chuck E. Cheese for example) does not make it a video game even if le epic sticky claims otherwise. God damn are you retarded I hope you get niggled.

>>12090976
east asians are well known for stinking the least out of all races though

>>12090976
>>12095493
Whenever I go to our towns china town, it always smells of rotting vegetables

>>12095489
Pinball guys are not really gamers. Proof is this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pinball/comments/1o4ldpv/best_way_to_have_ic_for_each_family_member/

Reddit also said Harry Potter pinball was going to crash and burn because of the authors politics. Ignore them, they are irrelevant.

>>12095489
the sticky doesn't claim that pinball games are video games, it says this board is for discussing classic games which refers to amusement attractions in general. you could make a thread about shooting galleries, classic VLTs, or old ticket redemption games if you really wanted. unlikely that anyone would want to discuss those, but it's allowed.

>>12096004
I view pin tables the same way I view turn-based genres:
You don't have to like them, but you can't call yourself a real gamer if you don't have any experience with them. Pinball predates all vidya, and it's good to be familiar with old design choices that influcened modern games, pinball or not.

>>12096437
I remember seeing this machine at a lazer tag place a long time ago. Thanks for reminding me.

>>12095493
No they're not lol, the Chinese stereotype is pee smell and Japanese rotten fish

>>12096616
all you fags dont know shit about proper hygiene. every race smells bad when you don't bathe, you'll discover this at MtG or Smash tourneys

>>12096790
A lot of whites no longer bathe though. They only shampoo their hair and assume that automatically cleans everything else.

G*mers are especially stinky because their diets are entirely junk/fast food, and their terminal length pit hair prevents deodorant touching skin.

>>12096802
I know. That was my point buddy.

>>12096004
>>12096407
>unironically linking reddit

the absolute state of this thread

>>12096840
It is very reddit to pretend one shitty web forum or """social media""" is better than another

>>12096847
then fuck off back there if you're so familiar with it faglord.

>>12096852
youngshits can't post on more than one forum lol

>>12096852
This isn't your home. It's janky software on some computers that aren't yours. imma go work on some my halloween sewing meow :3

>>12096847
the internet is reddit you coward

>>12096858
aww

>>12084301
I used to love playing fan-tas-tic and all the 4 player williams games from that em era in the early 70s. Halcyon pinball days.

>>12082329
Its pretty slow and boring to play, no special features at all
>>12083497
Built for BPB

>>12096529
I randomly thought of it so you're welcome

Would a video mode count as a video game?

Very kino pinball-like game

>>12100336
imo Pinball should be an exception and be allowed to be posted here. There's not really a better board for it, and it's so rarely discussed that I don't see it being an issue.

>>12101056
Pitch and bat games look very fun to me (two players). But living in Europe, I'll never come across one in my whole life because baseball doesn't exist here.
But damn does it look fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYRCt9Zeej4

>>12101102
That's a cool and unique game style. Shame about its availability though.

>>12079595
I love this one and I'm nowhere near being a pinball connoisseur.

Shoutout to the best pinball space in the US, Next Level in Oregon.

>>12079595
It just was, by Star Wars: Fall of the Empire :D

I have the cash to buy a new table, what new shit you playing? My local joint has the sterns and a pulp fiction which I love.

>>12101060
It is an exception and it's been accepted on this board from day one, stop bringing it up.
Fucking newfags.

>>12102286
this is the first pinball thread on this board

>>12102453
this is the worst pinball thread on this board

>>12084103
You're right. I'm sorry. But I don't act that way anymore. It was a long time ago.

>>12084447
Not actually more popular than ever. More popular than it's been in a while though.

>>12085394
Past 6 years. 0-5 is 6.

Maybe he's counting Pro Premiums and LEs separately.

>>12104159
They have this at the local arcade, I figured it would be shitty considering how its spoken about online but it was surprisingly fun.

>>12104374
Glad you enjoyed it, but it's pretty shitty honestly. There's pretty much nothing to do in the main central area.
Most (all) Gottlieb DMD-era pinballs were bad, in my opinion.

>>12079542 (OP)
RIP Ace Frehley

>>12104159
Makes me kinda want a Mega Man pinball. Modes can change shots to represent different sets of robot masters. Defeating them all leads to a Wily Wizard mode.

>>12104971
>Mega Man pinball
There's a very shitty little mini-pinball with cards reward.

>>12104832
I really like Gladiators and have heard good things about Stargate.

>>12104159
The company that made this table approached midway about making a Mortal Kombat pinball machine, of course they were turned down.
Kinda make you wonder why midway themselves didn't make a MK table.

>>12105125
The closest thing we have is the announcer in Medieval Madness sometimes saying FATALITY when you slay a dragon.

Haven't tried emulated/simulated pinball in a few years. Should I go with Pinball FX or with Visual PinMAME?

>>12105221
whichever has the table you want to play

>>12105250
All the ones I've checked (Tales of the Arabian Nights, Monster Bash, Bride of Pinbot, Medieval Madness, Black Knight 2000...) are supported in both.

>>12105087
The only thing I like in Stargate are the two raising targets. God I love raising targets and ramps in pinball.

>>12104849
The man on the pinball table literally died during the thread. You don't see that everyday. Thanks OP for the bad omen

Been playing Zen Pinball World on my phone every so often. They just added the two Elvira tables and I've been enjoying those

Some of the tables though like Championship Pub and Getaway: High Speed II are next to impossible to play sometimes with the added button placement and no room to "touch" the screen to hit the Right flipper

>>12104159
reminds me of space cadet

best system 11 is police force
best wpc is safe cracker

>>12106328
>system 11
For me, it's Banzai Run.
>safe cracker
I like it despite its evident flaws. A shame the tiny playfield inexorably becomes concave unless you add metal bars to straighten it up.
And the token system which gives you a special mode if you put it bak in the machine is genius.

>>12101056
reminds me of this

I find it fascinating how core pinball design has changed dramatically since around 2000. Pinball machines are not made as arcade money makers anymore but collector items for the home market so the alternate game modes are a lot more complex and campaigns and shit are baked in to reflect a playing style that rewards a lot of dedication to a table. Unfortunately it means they suck knotted dog cock for someone just wanting to drop a few quarters and have 20 minutes of fun.

I got a pinball museum around 30 minutes from my house with all day free play for $15 and the new tables are just bad compared to Medieval Madness and the like.

>>12083815
They were made by the same designer.

>>12108105
Well, it doesn't help that the best companies went under: Williams, Bally (technically Williams), Data East, Capcom... now it's pretty much just Stern and a couple of other minor companies (JJP, Barrels...). And Stern machines tend to have a very different (worse) gameplay.

>>12108105
You do realize that Medieval Madness also requires a pretty significant amount of effort to reach its wizard mode, right? I own a JJP Hobbit, and it's MUCH easier to reach an arkenstone mode than it is to get the equivalent on most 90s and 00s pins.

>>12108264
It's not really about difficulty, it's about the time investment from the first time you launch a ball to the moment you start getting into more advanced play.

Old games were absolutely quarter munching devices designed around stealing your money, HOWEVER, they also rewarded skillful play much faster and were more rewarding as a result.

>>12108319
The time investment is exactly what I'm talking about. Reaching Battle for the Kingdom in Medieval Madness is absurdly long in contrast to reaching Into the Fire on Hobbit.

>>12108105
It was around 2000 when arcades started dying due to home consoles. They just couldn't make money and the arcade devs moved production to console games.

does anyone here own one of those tv tables for virtual pinball? How user friendly are they? Are they usually proprietary, or compatible with several kinds, like visual pinball + PinballFX?

What's a good pinball videogame to practice with

>>12109049
The ones based around childrens media are usually easier.

>>12109049
There's not much to "practice" with a video game outside of learning rules.
You can only practice the crazy physics on a real pinball3

>>12108105
nah, i enjoy every new Stern the first time I play it

there is a skill floor though. The average person just will not actually aim anything at anything in any context. this is why i accidentally get the high score of the game in laser tag when i play it once a decade and remember why i don't

>>12109049
All of them are pretty good for the basics, like shielding. Your skills won't transfer 1:1 and you can even pick up some bad habits. I did see someone get multiball on a real table during their first play since childhood, after just watching me play an entirely different vpin for a few minutes the night before and applying what they observed

>>12109049
what i do is go to a bar with a dozen base models priced at one token, and tokens are $0.10 on Thursdays, if i'm not just given some