Thread 12081159

Are the Wizardry games worth playing in current year? If so what is the best way to play them?

>>12081159 (OP)
If you really like masochistic dungeon crawlers where you can randomly be teleported into a wall by a chest trap and have your party deleted, go ahead.

There was a remake of Wizardry 1 recently with some extra content that you can play to gauge whether you'd like the series. I think they may have even backported some of the features from later games like being able to have some types of weapons for some classes to attack from the back row (party slots 4-6)

>>12081159 (OP)
Wizardry 7 is the undeniable peak of grid based blobbers. If you want to play a single Wizardry play 7.

Yeah. Wizardry has aged significantly better than Ultima.

>>12081159 (OP)
the Japanese Wizardry game on PS2 is peak of the series, shame the sequel is not translated
out of the western Wiardry games 8 is the best one and honetly the only one worth playing

>>12081159 (OP)
Yes

>>12081191
Games dont age

>>12081159 (OP)
That creature is essentially like a serpent with the head of a crocodile, arms of a lizard, with some mammalian features and those of a demon

Simply astounding, nothing in our study books is like this magnificent beast

>>12081238
Then why is my copy of Madden '99 only worth $10

>>12081365
That shit ain't even worth 25 cents my man

>>12081770
Tumblr.

>>12081159 (OP)
Wizardry is basically rogue-like, pointless time killer not a game. You just die and die and save scum and save scum endlessly repeating pointless slop. Waste of time for brain dead.

>>12081159 (OP)
everything other than the ps2 games is too archaic and frustrating for 99.9% of players. you might think you won't get filtered but i assure you; you most certainly will.

>>12081179
This.

>>12081807
Difference is rogue-like can be quite fun and manageable

>>12081159 (OP)
>Are the Wizardry games worth playing in current year?
If pic related, if you really REALLY have to, absolutely go for it, although be prepared for experience that even for 80's PCs standards would be quite unwelcoming and tiresome.
Not retro but better "wizardry-like" experience for today players are Etrian Odyssey games on NDS for example if you have one or can emulate.

>>12082125
>>12081807
filtered lmao

>>12081159 (OP)
I think it holds up pretty damn good as long as you go into it understanding that it's a very difficult game that is attempting to capture the atmosphere of old school, hardcore tabletop campaigns, where one bad roll is game over. it succeeds at that in a way few games do, and it has a nice ambient vibe to it. but it's fucking hard.

>>12081159 (OP)
Yeah I beat 1, it's a breezy 10-15 hour long game without too much commitment.
It's very much a knowledge-check game with most the challenge evaporating once you're in the know, but it's nice when you manage to get a veteran party going.

>>12082371
I played Wizardry 1 (NES version) as a kid in the early 90s for way more than 15 hours and got nowhere near the end. I didn't have the benefit of an adult brain or GameFAQs, though, which explains my failure.

Decades later, I watched the Wizardry OVA. It was ok.

>>12083058
I got a kick out of the references and how the anime format preserved some gameplay features, like the nonsense warp mazes

>>12081179
the 6-7-8 trilogy makes me feel so melancholic man, what could've been. The story, the art, the voice acting, it's like walking right into a 1970s fantasy/sci fi novel.

>>12083184
That's just the Bradley magic at work. A singular vision shaping a entire game. We don't get this anymore. Everything is a team effort now.

>>12083147
It blew my mind when I realized that Werdna and Trebor were the creator's names spelled backwards. It was not immediately obvious to my little sperglet mind.

>>12083184
8 sucks

>>12081159 (OP)
I never know where to start with wizardry since there are so many games and so many different versions and ports

>>12081159 (OP)
Speaking solely from the American side of things, no, there's no point in playing any Wizardry game in 2025 unless you have some nostalgic connection to it already.

I recommend:
Playing the 1+2+ 3 on snes (rebalanced mod) absolutely ‹3 masterpiece.
Playing the 4 on ps1 (jap but you can put it in eng in option)
The 5 on snes (english retranslation less censored)
The 6 on snes but the recently eng patch on saturn il a good choice too...
The 7 on ps1 (eng translation) i can't wait for the saturn translation :p

>>12085283
>Playing the 1+2+ 3 on snes (rebalanced mod)
can't seem to patch that properly for some reason, Snex9x gives me red lines and bad checksum. I patched it with only the Aeon Genesis translation and the same thing happens. However, with the other translation, no issues. Any advice? It's definitely the right rom...maybe my IPS patching program?

>>12081212
>shame the sequel is not translated
There is a fan-made 577-page document that translates all the text in the game. You're supposed to have it open while playing. Not ideal, but miles better than no translation at all.

>>12085334
ah I got it. Had to add a 'header' to the ROM and then patch it. all good.

>>12085283
>The 7 on ps1
no

>>12081159 (OP)
the fan port of 6 to 7's engine is interesting, though I wish the dev made a more vanilla option, this one has gameplay changes like 7's map item

What's the deal with the nes wizardry games? Are they kind bud or cabbage babbage?

>>12085640
Kill yourself, respawn, pick a character that is less of a fucked up retarded inbred faggot, and then re-write that post in a way that makes me not want to murder an infant, and I'll give you an answer.

>>12085640
>Are they kind bud or cabbage babbage?
What retard baby babble is this?

>>12085649
>>12085656
Just a bit of fun you zoomers

>>12085661
>Acts like a zoomer
>Calls others zoomers
>"I'm just pretending to be retarded"
k

>>12081212
Japanese Wizardry games are all stale retreads of Knights of Diamonds. Inferior in design in every way and offer noting outside of better visuals.

>>12085663
There is nothing more zoomer than an inability to enjoy a bit of bibbity babbity in your writings else for what raison do you live? Learn to shakashuka it out as they say or you'll be so much loam.

>>12085669
Stop trying to derail the thread.

>>12085674
You derailed it

>>12085674
he's in the right

>>12085674
>hostile to a guy for no reason instead of just answering his innocent question
>get called out
>no Stop!! Please!
I'm not even the original poster. I just loathe loudmouth like you. Answer >>12085640 or fuck off.

>>12085674
Answer him. Tick tock.

>>12085674
Nobody believes that you left the thread. I will defend that stranger for the rest of time. His question was fine. Your outrageous reaction wasn't
Now answer him, coward. I doubt you've even played wizardry.

>>12085674
Hey bud we know you're still here. Mind answering this person>>12085640? We all know you have nothing better to do and still have this thread open. Come on milkdrinker. Answer the question.

>>12085674
Don't you think a short innocent simple question deserves a honest answer? Since you're such a wizardry expert after all.

>>12085674
Why are you pretending to be in absentia? You were so active and confident a moment ago. Come now. Where had your bravery fled? It is only a question. It cannot hurt you.

>>12085674
And yet you continue to play this game. Everybody knows you're still here. What a weakling.

>>12085674
Tick tock tick tock. Keep a stiff upper lip and answer >>12085640

>>12085674
Pathetic.

>>12085674
Gottem.
Look at all the butthurt replies.

>>12085379
playing a text heavy RPG while reading the actual script from a pdf file is just beyond silly to me

Japanese Wizardry games are like Fallout 3/NV/4. They are just using the brand and aren't really part of the series.

Tried the DOS port. It's fun, but a mix of unforgiving difficulty and the lack of a manual saving feature filters me hard. Is there a port that doesn't automatically save the game on exit? IIRC SNES Wizardry 5 only saves in town and on the graveyard screen, so you have room for a mistake or bad RNG. Would be a life saver here.

>>12086217
Lots of old games used text from the manual as copy protection or even to save disk space actually.

>>12085283
So I tried 5&6 on the snes, as well as a pirated copy of ordeals. I didn't get very far because something about the enemy placement in the combat screen just seemed off. Like their sprites were never fully shown or off center or something. Is that intentional or am I nuts?

>>12081212
>the Japanese Wizardry game on PS2 is peak of the series
Wise posting. And even then there are infuriating parts because of the whole Wizardry bullshit gameplay in all games: insta kill enemies (ninja?) and enemies who permanently drain your levels.
>shame the sequel is not translated
Isn't there a fan translation in the works?

>>12087773
if you snuck up on them, they won't be displayed yet, that's normal. maybe I'm wrong. can you post a screenshot? I thought it was weird at first too.

>>12087783
now i remember. Here's a shot from youtube. It's like, the enemies are hidden by the text box menu during combat. So it looks like you're fighting a wall half the time.

Anyway

>>12087791
you're absolutely right. only once you've given your party actions and hit fight, does the bottom box disappear and you can see the enemy. I'm guessing that's normal?

>>12087812
im pretty sure every version i tried was like that. If i recall even elminage had that issue. It completely filtered me. I don't mind first person but no enemies on screen during commands is just wierd.

for Wizardry 4, play this one. It has 4, an arranged version of 4 based on the PC Engine version, and 5 all in their entirety
and despite being a JP only release you can still set 4 and 5 to full English, while arranged 4 has limited English options. the SNES port of 5 is also a good choice.

>>12087791
>Grunty
fellow Jagged Alliance player?

If you're going to bother with Wizardry you should start with the first five on Apple II in order, because you import your characters into each new game from the last. It's the original platform, as well. Other platforms have differences here and there.

>>12088001
Thanks for the tip

>>12088720
It's hard enough starting from scratch in the first game, doing it for each successive game is just retarded. You literally need thousands of HP and etc. going into the second game or else you could easily die on the first level, it's literally a harder continuation of the first game. And so on all the way up until V for which the Apple II was still the premier platform. Only with 6 did they revamp everything and renew and modernize the game.

>>12088740
It's the opposite for 6-7-8, there it's really better to start fresh each game.

If Wizardry is too hard for you maybe start with famicom megaten, Ultima, or Gold Box D&D.

Those 3 have some of the same hardcore mechanics like monsters that steal your levels, but they aren't so big on punishing you for not knowing everything. Gold Box D&D in particular actually has even more confusing/dense mechanics than Wizardry, but it's also considerably better balanced and less sadistic to the player.

>>12081159 (OP)
Yes

>>12087847
why would anyone play wizardry 4? it's literally a scam non-game.

>>12091332
It's just a puzzle game, bro.