Thread 12091372

what went wrong?

>>12091372 (OP)
I don't even know what went right, if you told me to play a rhythm game during the sixth gen I would laugh my ass off

>>12091381
Rhythm games literally be stopped being popular since their introduction in fifth Gen with DDR, or whenever the fuck Bop It was made

>>12091403
>Bop It
for me it was skip it

>>12091372 (OP)
The issue with all rhythm games is that they ultimately devolve into unfun memorization garbage that is neither fun nor impressive at a high level, both for player and spectator.
Music and dance are not mere games of memorization - they are sonic and kinetic self-expression with an infinite range of inflection. 10 people who can perform the same dance to a high level will still have their own unique additions to it that others will enjoy differently. 10 people who can play the same guitar song will have their own individual style no matter how closely they play the song "to the note, as written".
What went wrong is that trying to make a game of these things fundamentally misunderstands what makes any of them enjoyable to begin with.

>>12091372 (OP)
people got burn out of plastic instruments.

>>12091372 (OP)
Activision bought RedOctane and Harmonix stopped working on the games. It was pretty much all downhill from there.

This shit isn't retro

>>12091372 (OP)
Nothing. It had its heyday and then everyone moved on. Clone Hero is a thing if you want your fix alongside custom content.

>>12091372 (OP)
It was a fad and got overexposed.

>>12091372 (OP)
Needs more player expression, more ways to solve a problem. Like how in Mario you can kill a goomba by stomping on it or by throwing a fireball at it. Or in Tetris you can clear lines one by one or wait for a straight piece and clear 4 lines at once.

>>12091372 (OP)
Guitar hero as a franchise was sold to activision, so Harmonix couldnt spearhead the shit anymore. That gave it actual licensed music to work with rather than the covers the indie studio could afford, but it honestly lost a lot of its soul in the process.

This gave harmonix the ability to do rockband, which was a good step up from guitar hero as a concept, but the studio being set up in the heart of lgbt land Massachusetts (cambridge), they became progressively more pozzed over time until they ran out of actual developers and only employed community managers. I wish i was fucking kidding. They basically didnt make any other games in the entire span of time that rockband was a thing.

They then sold themselves to epic while they still had some kind of credibility left, made a shitty dj game and have been coasting off of epic money ever since.

Basically harmonix is dead and being hq'd in a gay neighborhood killed them.

I started playing Rocksmith and that was that. In a single day I accomplished more on a real guitar and was playing real songs than hundreds of hours of GH3

>>12091372 (OP)
Do people still make their own peripherals? Sounds like a fun project.

>>12091423
Most pseud post I've seen in days

They got greedy, and kept making more games, when they should have made one game, and a bunch of DLC.

>>12091405
I did! Hoho!

>>12091372 (OP)
>went to a party
>people kept trying to play Free Bird on the hardest difficulty
>kept hearing the same part of the song over and over again and wanted to blow my brains out

>>12091793
I can see how you ended up on 4chan.

>>12091372 (OP)
simple, fad died

GH1-3 felt like arcade games. Each song had a set of patterns they expected you to learn.
RB and the rest of the GH games felt like party games. Many songs are picked for a specific instrument and are incredibly boring for the others.
Warriors of Rock was a mix of both. I'd recommend it if you dipped long before it came out.

>>12091372 (OP)
it was just a fade, same goes for konami rythym games.

>>12091826
it went on for way too long and I was hardly the only person getting annoyed with it

>>12091635
rocksmith is great but that's all i will say about it considering it's 7th gen

>>12091372 (OP)
first we have to discuss the elephant in the room

>>12091372 (OP)
Zoomers almost exclusively listen to rap and the idea just doesn't translate well to that. I remember they tried with some kind of "DJ Hero" thing where the controller was like a mixing table but the idea just doesn't work the same.

the later games had too much indie and emo and not enough metal.

>>12091372 (OP)
other than the fact that rhythm games were a fad and that rock has been dead since the early 2000s the latest? over saturation.

you had guitar hero, rocksmith, rock band, DJ hero and band hero each with their own plastic instruments (guitar, drums, microphone, keyboard and turntable) + spinoffs like rocks the 80s, aerosmith, metallica, van halen, smash hits for guitar hero and ACDC, beatles green day and lego for rock band on top of DS ports of guitar hero (that also came with a guitar controller) and a PSP port of rock band.

and that's not even talking about the DLC for all those games.

>>12093991
DJ Hero was also a huge flop. It sat on shelves. Stores were clearing it out for next to nothing.

Corporate greed of the music industry killed a once prominent fad. Nobody wanted to keep buying plastic instruments or Rock Band: [not that big of a name].

>>12091470
First out on the PS2.

>>12091427
>>12091447
Also This.

>>12094330
>the beatles, green day, metallica
???

>>12094358
None of those are rappers.

Oldfag here.
The true downfall was Harmonix under MTV (and thus under a few ever bigger mega corps) and their decision to release songs as DLC.
There is essentially no songs that were not available for RB at one point (licenses have expired for a ton over time).
This was great for short term sales. It was actually one of the very first examples of microtransactions in a paid game and was a smashing success, if you ignored how expensive it must have been to pay the royalties.
The problem of course is that this turned RB the standalone game into a shell that was no longer profitable to make except to shill the DLC.
So they stopped innovativing to ensure compatibility with the existing DLC.
Combine that with the concept just wearing out its welcome and you get where you are now.
Unironically Activision are the good guys in the story.
If you were around in the SH days you know that Harmonix quickly stopped supporting the community meanwhile Neversoft and co actually maintained a link to the original Fandom, and straight up hired a lot of custom charters to come work for them.
They also did less of the microtransactions and made them game exclusive so they continued to innovate with open bass notes, slide notes (even if they were broken in WT) etc.
Hell, they straight up added a DIY music/chart maker in the game.

>>12094404
Nobody bought Rock Band games to play rap songs. Imagine calling The Beatles "not that big of a name" fucking lmfao