Thread 12095642

I’m sorry but they were better than Gen2

Yeah, most people agree, Gen 2 is one of the least-liked gens these days

I'm sorry but gen 2 is objectively better in every conceivable way AND had kanto in it as a side bonus. The literal one and only reason anyone would have this opinion is being a genwunner beyond all hope that didn't even play the single, strictly superior sequel gen

>>12095642 (OP)
great thread thanks for sharing

>>12095642 (OP)
Gen 2 is objectively awful and doesn’t do anything bettter than any other gen

>>12095642 (OP)
>they were better than Gen2
I would hope so.
Game Boy was a 3rd generation console, and these games released during the 5th generation.

>>12095642 (OP)
Gen 2 would be top tier if they weren't retarded with the evolution stones.

Reminder that low effort flame wars are not against the rules on /vr/.
Threads like this are not only allowed, but encouraged.

>>12095667
What flame wars? Are you off your meds, anon?

>>12095642 (OP)
I played the ever loving shit out of Gen 1. Then I got Gold on release. Played it and… it just kind of bored me. As a matter of fact, every Pokémon game since it has also board me… I’m not sure if the games are objectively worse or if I just really burned myself out with the first games.

>>12095642 (OP)
1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5

>>12095653
spbp

>>12095642 (OP)
I love how dark gen 1 is
>an entire fucking city controlled by basically the mafia
>cloning experiments gone wrong
>a gym leader who fought in some fucking war
>a silent hill tier ghost town

I can't decide because I really liked the cities changing colors in RB on the SGB and the button combos you can do to change the palette when the GBC is booting up but I also liked the mystical Japan vibe of GSC and the sprites with emphasized dithering.
Off-topic but I can never get through Gen 3 because I was too old and burned out with Pokemon by the time it came out. However I have this funny feeling that Emerald was actually the best one and that I missed out on it.
Also FUCK Yellow.

>>12095738
>pokemon is le dark and le scary actually
pokemon kids will say anything to pretend they're not playing baby's first jrpg

>>12095653
Gen 1 are the superior iconic Pokemon. Having Kanto in Gen 2 was rad but Gen 2 and every gen after for that matter the Pokemon get more and more cringe.

>>12095738
I know what you mean but I wouldn't consider it dark. It was just old school. I really liked that the villains were the mafia though. The other teams being wacky cults were vastly inferior.

>>12095642 (OP)
The seething gen 2 causes new gen fans is incredible. Keep trying to turn Gen 1 and Gen 2 brothers against each other. Your shtick is transparent and your /vp/ faggotry will never win here.

Based. Johtods get triggered because criticism of this Gen isn’t shielded like it is on vp though

>>12095974
this is a video game board he can discuss it

>>12095642 (OP)
i was done with pokémon by January 1999, when I finally got around to trading the last few with my brother and the hotdog kids across the street.

i didn't stay in contact after they moved and didn't particularly care because one of them started only talking about cars despite being in middle school

The only people who dislike gen 2 are zoomers and people who stopped liking pokemon after gen 1

>>12095642 (OP)
>pointless argument starter about childrens' games from 30 years ago
Why are you like this?

>>12096382
>the only people who dislike Gen 2 are zoomers and most millennials
Yeah, and? That's pretty much the entire pokemon fanbase.

>>12096382
I'm a zillenial, my first pokemon was Silver and I liked it a lot.

>>12095738
>LE CHILDHOOD MOVIES/GAMES THAT WERE DARKER THAN YOU REMEMBER!!
>BY MILLENNIAL JOURNALISTON

>>12096573
you're mad because it's a trope

>>12096573
Things were darker for millennials Faggot. We had Robocop and Gremlins as childhood movies and you had Shrek and Frozen

>>12095642 (OP)
Gen 2 sucks the only people who like it are people who missed out on real Pokemania but want to forever larp as Gen one fans

>>12096717
> We had Robocop and Gremlins as childhood movies and you had Shrek and Frozen

Shit, no wonder they think some shovelware PS2 game about Poo bear is actually a horror game. Funny how media getting toned down to "protect the kids" lead to them being pussies. With 89 Batman you grow up to be a man, with 95-97 Batman you grow up to be a fag, with Nolan's Batman you grow up to be a retard who thinks he's deep and smart, and nobody grows up with Pattison's Batman because it was just another product to consume and forget.

>>12095738
lol nice bait

What generation had cynaquil as the starter fire pokemon? Because I remember thinking that was the most retarded looking thing I've ever seen, the plant starter was gay too
Totodile was cool tho, but that's when I got over pokemon

>>12095642 (OP)
Gentoo has
>better graphics
>better mechanics: physical-special split, day-night cycles, held items

BUT, it has two major downsides
>very bad difficulty scaling
>bad wild pokemon placement, leaving access to some of the coolest new pokemon locked until the very end of the game

Im on the fence when it comes to pokemon design, there are some real good ones in Gentoo, off the top of my head
>starters
>Ampharos
>Ariados
>Scizor
>Skarmory
>Lanturn
>Girafarig
>Xatu
>Lugia
>Heracross
>Steelix
>Umbreon
>Espeon
>Octillery
>Sneasel
>Ursaring
>Misdreavus

Imo, these are on the same level of the best designs of Gen 1.

The perfect game would have the full content of both games with gen 2 mechanics and graphics. Im surprised no autist has made a romhack like that yet.

>>12097093
>bad wild pokemon placement

It's not just wilds but NPC trainers too. Very few use gen 2 mons to the point that by the the end game if you check your dex for "Seen" 'mons most of it will be empty. It's ridiculous.

>>12097093
>>12097094
You guys do know gen 2 is meant to be played alongside pokemon stadium 2 right?

>>12095985
There is a reason that containment board exists. I assume you are too much of a newfag to know why though.

You post a variation of this every month.

>>12095642 (OP)
I started with gen 2 I can agree with this

>>12097207
>companion game
>companion console

>>12095642 (OP)
Im sorry but (extremely common ice cold take) and Im tired of pretending otherwise

>>12095667
threads like this USED to get shitcanned all the time. I remember posting a thread about why I think gen 3 (consoles not pokemon) is better than gen 4 and it got deleted.

>>12095738
>lavender town is silent hill tier
I know its bait but lmao

>non-meme opinion
As far as gameplay goes gen 2 is an obvious improvement with slight correction of the balancing issues in gen 1 and adding some great mons that add variety.
But although the world has a cool design the game itself is derivative of gen 1 and especially it's very short and lackluster. It lacks all the varied side-plots and dungeons of gen 1 and rather feels like you're rushing from gym to gym with little to do in between. The Radio Tower sidequest happens late in the game and it's nowhere close to the scope of the Silph sidequest. Instead you get things like bug catching contest, pokemon breeding and ruins of alph which is all pretty dull.

So tl;dr gen 2 improves on gameplay but gen 1 is overall the better adventure game.

>>12095642 (OP)
>I’m sorry but they were better than Gen2
There's nothing to apologize for, it's 2025 and everyone has realized they got tricked by Johtoddlers into thinking Johto was the upgrade against all available evidence and despite their better judgment.

GSC is the absolute definition of a sophomore slump and one of the biggest ones in gaming history.

Nobody is going to screech at you that you're wrong except Johtoddies.

>>12095649
for good reason too
the wool's been pulled up from over everyone's eyes and exposed the fact that johto is empty babyshit
it's the worst classic gen / region

>>12096382
>The only people who dislike gen 2 are zoom—ACK
keep coping toddy
that's all you can do

>>12095653
>I'm sorry but gen 2 is objectively better in every conceivable w—

>>12095653
>AND had kanto in i—

>>12095656
>Gen 2 is objectively awful and doesn’t do anything bettter than any other gen
hard to argue with this

worse lore
worse characters
worse dex
worse gameplay
worse map

etc.

>>12095661
it would still be babbyfied and empty

>>12095690
you're just a Kantyke, and that's okay
it's better to be a Kantyke than a Johtoddler

>>12095738
you got the toddies really seethin' with this one
you're right

>>12098316
>twitter
Opinion discarded

>>12095748
Emerald *is* the best one.

>>12095773
nothing tops Gen 2 in terms of cringe retro-wise

>>12095774
>It was just old school
name three contemporaneous games that match the atmosphere he described which aren't "dark"

>>12095818
by definition, kantykes/genwunners never really liked your gen; if they did, they wouldn't be kantykes
it's truly hilarious how dumb and deluded toddies are

>>12095878
that and they realize they legitimately have no way to sensibly defend it, which makes them frustrated beyond imagination

>>12095974
>>>/vr/ has been having Kanto threads for longer than Gen III has been allowed to be discussed here

>>12097253
to suck up *most* discussion, not all of it, homo

>>12096405
why are you on this board? this website?

>>12096729
>Gen 2 sucks the only people who like it are people who missed out on real Pokemania but want to forever larp as Gen one fans
this

Gen II killed Pokemania.

>>12095642 (OP)
>>12098338
Why don't newfags get, that the magic of gen 2 lied in its character as a direct sequel to the most hyped game of all time. The feeling you got, playing it as your second Pokemon experience were more like this:
You were finally back, you could catch your beloved Pokemon again (and even some new ones!), wow night time, wow two new types, wow an ice, ghost and dragon arena (those were seen as rare elite types), Oh the Elite 4 has been shaken up (makes sense, since there has been a real and ingame time gap), eh? post-game? the old area? (don't think anybody knew it was called Kanto back then), wow I'm so strong I can't believe how much I breeze through the gyms of the first game, oh... there's the first rival (nobody called him Blue, since everyone gave him a custom name) and he's strong, eh... Mount Silver? Me from the first game? Holy damn. Best finale ever.
All arguments like "where are the Johto-mon?!", "wuah the level curve in Kanto is sooo bad" are post-hoc criticism from people who did not experience gen 2 like it was meant to be. As a direct sequel and refined iteration on the first game. They shouldn't even been seen as two different games from the modern perspective and more like a duology that has to be experienced in tandem.

>>12097075
that was indeed johturd and totodile was indeed the lone tolerable one

>>12097093
>Lanturd
>as good as Gen 1
lmao
johto's fisher price slop has nothing on nor to do with kanto's design philosophy

>>12098159
it's only become common and accepted in recent years

>>12097334
Yea only one person posts Pokémon threads on vr

holy troon meltdown ITT

>all these regurgitated YouTuber clickbait arguments against gen2
My god it’s depressing

Johtods having a melt because they can’t be shielded from criticism like on the other boards lol

Gen I and Gen II should be considered one game like how the LOTR trilogy was meant to be one book.

>>12098546
come on man, be real, that only happens on days ending in 'y'

they can never make me hate johto

>>12098620
Not even zoomer YouTube videos who weren’t even born back then?

stop doing it already

weird games to pitch between each other

>>12098430
Lmfao, keep seetheing /vp/edo, You have no power in these lands. In the greats lands of KANTO and JHOTO.

Well I checked the gen 2 pogaymans to see what I missed since I stopped caring about pokemon more than 20 years ago and I see why I stopped. They all look too smooth and not cool enough, like all the edge has been sandpapered off
You get some cool ones like ursaring, houndoom, heracross, granbull but by and large they're all too cutesy, soft and indistinct

>>12099687
with the exception of Houndoom, even the mons you listed are faux-cool and have the same problematic design tendencies

but yes you were indeed vindicated in quitting at the sight of fiGSCher priGSCe

>>12099687
>>12099779
Wow anons! What a totally organic posts! You're so cool.

>>12099789
cry more

>>12099795
So cool. Could I play Pokemon Platinum with you some day big bro?

>>12099687
You stopped playing attention to pokemon 20 years ago (back in 2005 after gen 2 had already come out) and decided after seeing a random thread on /vr/ about gen 1 being better to look at the gen 2 pokemon for the first time in your life and come to a conclusion and then post it here unsolicited?

lmfao, you /vp/ losers are a riot. If only you realized nobody else is as retarded as you guys are.

>>12095690
I had the exact same experience. One day my older sister asked if she could try out Pokemon Gold, I said fine as long as she doesn't save over my game. Later she came and apologetically told me she had erased my progress by saving, expecting me to be mad.
To both our surprise I didn't even care. That's when I realised the Pokemon craze was over for me. I never even bothered to finish Gold.

>>12095764
Yeah that's right step the f*** back. I'm an SMT veteran

>>12095642 (OP)
I have never played a pokemon game. What is the difference between red and blue and which is better? Are the stories the same, but have different pokemon or are they completely different games?

>>12101127
They are the same game but with a few different Pokemon. Blue has better Pokemon I think. None of the exclusives are that good anyway

>>12101142
Thank you, sir.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong.

I think as a kid when the challenge presented by the games matched my skill gen 2 was better, but as an adult revisiting the old soulful times gen 1 is better. I think gen 2’s improvements are undermined by how easy most of it is, while gen 1’s flaws ultimately don’t detract much from what made pokemon good.

Remakes of both are better than originals.

>>12101851
Gen 2 was more difficult for kids. Miltank is a meme for a reason bro

>>12101859
Bugsy and Whitney are actually hard, the problem is the entire stretch after Whitney until Clair is a snooze. It didn’t bother me as a kid because the world felt so big and I didn’t notice how weak everything was, but as an adult I was disappointed.

>>12095653
Anon, Claiming Gen 2 is better because it "fixed" things is like saying the Star Wars special editions are better because the CGI is cleaner.
It's the quintessential mark of a pleb with no taste who completely missed the point and is desperately trying to justify their own irrelevance.

>>12101870
Almost like they had to lower the levels to give you the freedom to choose which badges or story sections first.

>>12101885
I know why they did it but it was a bad idea. When you’re 7 badges into the game and battling grunts with level 16 Ratatas, something has gone wrong.

2>3>1

>>12098546
Johto threads on /v/ and /vp/ are just the same couple schizos spamming fake childhood stories and samefagging about Youtubers and zoomers. Every other gen usually has some gameplay discussion.

>>12103951
>Every other gen usually has some gameplay discussion.
lol
Lmao even

>>12103972
It's the truth. The other half of those threads are about Pokemania when that era was on its way out in gen 2. Look at the Johto thread on /vp/ right now: >>>/vp/58423951

>>12103984
That thread is specifically asking for memories you disingenuous fuck

Anyone who browses /vp/ knows most threads dont even discuss gameplay

>>12103991
i know johtoniggers can't read but the first question is literally "did you play them when they came out"

>>12103998
Read the second sentence you dishonest ass
>do you have any fond memories from them?
The OP is literally asking for people to share memories since it’s the 25th anniversary today.

>>12104003
it proves this >>12103951
>ask about gameplay
>get fake samefag aislop stories from the same schizos

>>12104008
You’re bias is transparent
This is my last reply, pretty sure it’s bait anyways

>>12104018
>johtonigger is esl
wow nobody expected that

>>12103951
>the same couple schizos spamming
It really is obvious.

>>12104041
Yeah that was me fasleflagging.

I remember enjoying both about the same. Great Masterpieces and both have Stadium support. Kinoludo.

>>12104060
There's low functioning autists, and then there's Johto schizos like you.

>>12104891
My autism compels me to false flag and hyper focus on gen 2. It is terrible and everyone must know and accept it

>>12095642 (OP)
Gen 1 is the most iconic and best.

>>12103951
Another one >>>/v/723497830

>>12106979
>Because Gen 1 and 2 Pokémon were not transferable to Gen 3
>Because the gen 3 games overcomplicated a charming formula by adding mechanics nobody asked for
>animated sprites was a game changer
>Complete laziness on their part
>Do you know what pokemania is? That's when real CHILDREN fucking ate slept and breathed pokemon
>zoomers have nothing to really call their own or any hype moments in their upbringing
>the orange islands and johto anime were excellent

>>12106979
yeah I decided to make another thread.

>>12107012
All me.

Gen 2 is the FF2 of pokemon, most people accept that it is shit but there is a very vocal minority of people who played it as their first game and can't admit that it was actually terrible

>>12107167
first game was yellow and crystal is my favorite.

>>12107174
Similar to >>12107174, my first game was Red (Christmas '98) and Red & Crystal are and have always been my equal favourites. Gens 1 & 2 (incl. Stadium 1/2) are peak Pokemon, and the differences between the gens compliment each other well, neither gen is strictly better than the other. All gen 2 detractors (and gen 1 detectors as well) are either zillenials who started with 3, or bona fide zoomies who started with 5 onwards. Either way, I don't care what they think.

>>12107272
You are the kind of Johtofag they shitpost about. Zero mention of playing GSC, everything about sucking Kanto's cock.
t. also started with Red.

>>12107330
Didn't mention Kanto once, learn how to read. You're mentally ill

Crazy how even mentioning Gen 2 makes zoomers seethe

>>12107362
gen 2 is a zoomer gen

gen 2 fans don't mention kanto or gen 1 for 5 seconds challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

>>12107367
Ah yes, all those zoomer children with Gameboy colors in 1999, how silly of me.

>12107369
>no you're NOT allowed to mention a region in a video game when you're talking about that video game
>no you're NOT allowed to mention a particular video game when you're talking about its sequel
Mental illness

>>12107369
Gen 2 is just Gen 1 DLC

>>12107369
>mfw gen 2 haters mention gen 2 and johto and newly introduced pokemon

>>12095642 (OP)
Gen 3 was always my favorite due to the artstyle, color, and ability to run. Gen 2 and 3 always felt like a slog in comparison, I still prefer Gen over 2 though. Gen 2 just felt really half baked and the new pokemon weren't memorable.

>>12107385
>picrel
That's me when some Johtofag says GSC is good then says nothing about the battles or the gameplay. All vibes and nostalgia, no IQ found.

>>12107380
Gen 2 is Pokemon 2, the sequel and what should have been the finale of the series.

>>12107386
Nothing against Gen 3, but GBA games are so horribly washed out compared to GBC games (or RB on the SGB/through Stadium, for that matter)

>>12107397
It's Pokemon, the gameplay is always fundamentally the same.

>>12107407
Not really. Gameplay elements like teambuilding, level curve, and pace in battles (e.g. how slow they are) vary across the series. GSC just so happens to suck ass at all of them.

>>12107397
play showdown if that's all you care about you autistic retard

>>12107418
play a walking sim if day/night cycle is all you care about nigger

>>12107417
>level curve
Look, if you want to just bait people I'm sure you can do better than that

>>12107417
>level curve
how to buck break a johturd

>>12107404
No they aren't, that's probably some color correction bullshit your emulator has by default.

>>12107404
many GBA emulators automatically turn on color correction despite most games not actually compensating for the screen of the GBA. Something like DKC on GBA did compensate for the screen (and looks like shit on emulator), Pokemon did not and looks good/normal on emulator unless you have color correction on.

>>12107417
>elements like teambuilding, level curve, and pace in battles (e.g. how slow they are) vary across the series
None of these fundamentally change the gameplay. Pokemon is notorious for being the same shit since the mid-90s

>>12107417
>teambuilding
Most of the new Pokemon are terrible in battle and too rare for their own good. Yanma has no business being a 1% or swarm encounter when it's worse than Butterfree.

With the "Gotta Catch Em All" advertising during Pokemania, I'm led to believe they only cared about catching new Pokemon instead of using them in battle. But it was only a western slogan, so rather I think it's linked to gen 2's poor development cycle.

>level curve
Been said many times before. I think Johto's poor region design to achieve "nonlinearity" contributes heavily to that. But it's so peculiar when Kanto did it well. Most people just use their starter or tack on Ampharos or Quagsire because it's so bad.

>pace in battles
Gen 4 gets shit on for it but the HP scrolling is slower in Gen 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkCu4c2XVw
>gen 2: 34.55s
>gen 4: 34.22s

It doesn't get noticed because everything in Johto is so low level.

>>12107429
>>12107435
I don't play on emulator

>12107448
Not an argument

>>12107448
A great argument

>>12107448
Catching them all was always the goal

>Fujiwara: “Try to beat the game first, but remember that it’s not the true ending. Your real objective is completing your Pokedex.”

>Nishino: “It may get hard at times, but I want you to try your best to collect all 150 Pokemon.”

>Nishida: “The battles are fun, but don’t worry too much about winning or losing. I want you to love and take care of your Pokemon.”

>>12107456
>closing remarks from a random interview
nope
the original japanese slogan is "pokemon get da ze" which is from the act of catching pokemon, not catching them all

>>12107460
Go play nupokemon you worthless zoomer

>>12107462
>Go play nupokemon
but i don't wanna play gen 2

>>12107460
>actually the people who made the game are wrong

>>12107464
>my fanfic slogan is right and the official one is wrong

>>12107440
It impacts how you build your team and how much you grind. That fundamentally changes how you play the game and how it's perceived. Johto's level curve is fine if you only use 2-3 Pokemon, but most people want to use a full team and hate grinding.

>>12107468
the slogan is unrelated to the games and didn't exist when that interview was done

>>12107473
>It impacts how you build your team and how much you grind. That fundamentally changes how you play the game and how it's perceived.
It really doesn't. It's the same fundamental gameplay for the past, what, 30 years? Pokemon is low-effort shit. It was novel for a brief moment around the turn of the century and that was it.

>>12107479
>talking shit and didn't play the game award
johtoniggers everyone

>>12107456
btfo

>>12107481
Pokemon is Nintendo's Madden or FIFA and everyone knows it, retard. You can cope all you want about how they've totally innovated since then but nobody aside from pokespergs like you actually believes that.

>>12107481
What's your favourite gen, anon?

>>12107508
no one said they innovated anything you fucking retard

>>12107519
gen 3
reddit and youtube agree with me

>>12107519
1

>>12107523
>reddit and youtube agree with me
that's gen 5, nice try faggot

>>12107456
>Tajiri: “You can take the monsters you’ve raised wherever you go. I think that’s a great way to make people care about a game. There’s lots of Pokemon and moves for you to combine any way you want for unlimited ways to play.”
I'll take the director's word for it. Nothing about catching them all, and it's a better message too. Of course the artists and designers would want you to look at all of their hard work.

>>12107549
he is telling you to try all the pokemon

>>12107552
He's telling you to use what you want and take them wherever you go via the portable Game Boy. There are unlimited ways to play because there's so many Pokemon.

>>12107464
those are all designers

>>12098419
>>12098336
Autism and pokemon go hand in hand

>>12101881
>erm, the point is it's a broken buggy piece of shit and i like it because i played it when i was 5! your a tasteless pleb for not being a retarded 5 year old
how am i not surprised the first thing you bring up is fucking star wars

>>12107524
Based
>>12107523
Less based

>>12107397
Gen 2 has great gameplay though.

>>12098316
I never will understand the idea that new pokemon should be the focus of each new region, and I'm not sure why you would disparage Gen 2's postgame when gen 1 didn't even have a post game...

I guess if your first game was gen 3 and after, but by those metrics nu-pokemon would be better than any retro gen.

Makes sense why Pokemon still sells gangbusters, "people" like this only care about level curves, pokemon availability, and postgame...even at the expense of creature design, world structure, route choice, music, and game systems.

>>12107856
This guy gets it, but even then I would say that Stadium 1 & 2 provide better "post-game" than any Pokemon game since

>>12107450
Something wrong with your screen then, Gen 3 has vivid color

>>12107896
how difficult are stadium 1&2?

>>12107856
>only care about level curves, pokemon availability, and postgame
they're just parroting youtubers who clickbait

Gen 1 is excellent by itself.
Gen 2 does an interesting specdef split, but it greatly affects some high special stat mons.
Gen 3 adds the EV cap, previously you could max EV on all mons which adds a way to train your mons wrong if you don't mainstat dump and then train HP. Berries are annoying to grow.

Gen 2 put an emphasis on the hunt, the discovery, the secrets. Most new mons were hard to find because I think the idea was precisely that this is why they were unknown and that you're discovering them.

This is what people who look at it from the perspective of newer generations that shove hundreds of new mons into their face don't understand. The point was the thrill of the discovery long after you beat the elite 4.

>>12108454
Gold and silver are still the only games that don't force the box art legendary onto the player.

Even Crystal had Suicune

Want to get into gen 1.
Red,blue, green or yellow?
Pure or shin for the bugfix romhacks?

>>12107845
it was the first games to restrict teambuilding with day/night cycle. it has the worst and slowest battles in the franchise, slower than gen 4. it introduced the worst held items that plague competitive and battle facilities to this day.

>>12107856
>creature design
the gen 2 dex was simplified and babyfied for animators and merch makers. sugimori said they went back to making more coolmons in gen 3 because they got backlash for it.
>world structure, route choice
johto is the smallest and emptiest region in the whole series. a bunch of dungeons like mt mortar and victory road are fucking pointless and devoid of trainers. its poor attempt at nonlinearity is why everything is so low level. there is almost no diversity in the routes aside from the water routes and ice cave. somehow it's worse than kanto.
>music
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pkbKdCPKc34
>game systems
no clue what you're talking about.

>it was the first games to restrict teambuilding with day/night cycle
is this the new zoom zoom buzzword

>>12108782
it's one autist posting it every time

>>12108454
No the problem zoomers have with it is those rare Pokemon suck ass in battle. They don't complain about Feebas in gen 3 or Munchlax in gen 4 anymore because they turn into good Pokemon. Rare shitmons like gen 2 Marill and Yanma don't

I think we only cared about the "hunt" because we were indoctrinated by the "gotta catch em all" marketing bullshit

>>12108782
oops forgot to reply
>>12108780

>>12108792
>I think we only cared about the "hunt" because we were indoctrinated by the "gotta catch em all" marketing bullshit
catching pokemon was the entire fucking point of the game series, for fucks sake it's based on jap kids catching bugs.

>>12108782
>>12108785
kek what a bitch. also samefag.

>>12108805
I don't care if the devs said so, only my headcanon matters

>>12108807
fuck you

some autist really hates gen 2

>>12108805
>catching pokemon was the entire fucking point of the game series
Found the indoctrinated faggot. See Tajiri's quote
>>12107549

>>12108815
how does that quote disprove anything?

>>12108823
It's literally explained there

>>12108826
literally explains what?
The game was about collecting, that quote has nothing to do with what I've stated.

Unless you're trying to imply him not mentioning collecting in one interview means the entire franchise wasn't about collecting, which is retarded

>>12108828
>designers want you to catch em all so their work isn't wasted
>tajiri wants you to play how you want
wow so hard to understand
you are a retard

>>12108831
you already said this cope
nishino is not a designer

>>12108810
based samefag
>>12108814
>4chan x
worthless post

>>12108837
>no argument
yep, you're a retard

>collecting them all was NEVER the point of pokemon
damn this gen 2 hate is getting depressing

>>12108842
>bitch replying
>i MUST buy 3+ games to catch em all
good goy.

Idk about you fags but I used Blastoise the whole time.

>>12108460
Crystal was the first project Masuda headed completely by himself from the start, he's a huge legendaryfag

>>12108852
based, hope he was your bro the whole way through.

>>12108852
for me it was a level 9 pidgeotto I found in the viridian forest.

>>12108852
>he used the gay turtle
kwab

>>12108878
>most popular kanto starter
>designers confirmed that it's canonically the quintessential pokemon design
>strongest starter in RBY by far
Yeah, I'm thinking he's based, charcucks and blastards can kick rocks

>>12108892
>most popular
lol

>>12108892
Red and Blue, not Red and Gayreen, thanks

>>12108897
Yes. The Bulbasaur line consistently wins popularity polls among the Kanto starters.

>>12095642 (OP)
>I’m sorry
No you aren't

>>12108608
Any. Yellow is for feeling like season 1 anime.

The monster differences make red and blue play different. Blue gets sandshrew, bellsprout, meowth, vulpix. Red gets mankey, oddish, ekans, growlithe.

It changes the flow a little to have different options.

>>12108892
I mean it's true for me too. I've specifically bought the blue version back then, even though my friend already had that one. But turtles were my favorite animal and Blastoise looked really cool on the cover. Then I started the game and instead of choosing Squirtle I chose Bulbasaur, because there was no way I could pass a frog dinosaur with an extra plant on its back. Then I caught a Pikachu in Veridian Forest and made it my main after Brock, despite not watching the anime at the time. I named it Chernobyl. That's why Raichu also has a special spot in my heart.

>>12109052
>popularity poll
>posts fucking twitter trending count
kek

>>12109096
>posts some jeet's AI
lmao

>>12109108
I always imagine Rayquaza being pronounced like a black name

>>12109108
>charizard #1
yeah

>>12109123
it officially is

>>12108892
>>strongest starter in RBY by far
? no it's not it's hard countered by fire. you stupid retard, how do you not see the starters are all rock-paper-scissors?

>>12109224
Razor Leaf/Body Slam/Leech Seed + Toxic are ridiculously OP in Gen 1 because of how the mechanics worked back then. Venusaur could tear Cuckitard apart even with the type disadvantage.

>>12109224
Venu has high special which means it takes reduced damage from enemy special, including fire. Unlike blastoise it is not slow, also as a gen1 starter it will have high EVs simply because you've been using it all game. Plus fire is rare in gen1. Meanwhile water is the most common element.

>>12109335
>Leech Seed + Toxic
This isn't viable in competitive, and it's a massive waste of time in the campaign. Just use Sleep Powder like a sane person.

>>12096573
Lol

>>12109052
Japan fanbases have the worst taste yet produce the best stuff, can't quite understand it

>>12108792
>Like Maril.
Oh, you aren't a troll, you're retarded lmao. Carry on zoomie.

>>12108414
Round 2 of each are very difficult

>>12109992
post the rollout/turn 1 freeze pic again lol

>>12108156
All GBA games look like shit on GBA (to me). They look good on GB Player

>>12109052
Japanese people aren't human, anon

>>12110029
I totally didn't reload my save until I got Ice Punch freeze and spammed X items, guys.
>Lvl 44 Gyarados Hyper Beam vs. Lvl 41 Azumarill: 68-81 (44.4 - 52.9%) -- 25.8% chance to 2HKO
>Lvl 47 Dragonite Thunder vs. Lvl 41 Azumarill: 103-122 (67.3 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I gave him 8 IVs and 18000 DVs, which is more than generous.

>>12109342
>competitive
Shut up

>>12110141
Rollout calcs with Defense Curl:
>Lvl 41 Azumarill 60BP Rollout vs. Lvl 44 Gyarados: 34-40 (23.1 - 27.2%) -- 76.5% chance to 4HKO
>Lvl 41 Azumarill 120BP Rollout vs. Lvl 44 Gyarados: 64-76 (43.5 - 51.7%) -- 22.9% chance to 2HKO
>Lvl 41 Azumarill 240BP Rollout vs. Lvl 47 Dragonite: 102-120 (67.1 - 78.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Even with 4 turns, Gyarados will whittle you down too much, then you get outsped by everything else afterwards. Azumarillfag's "run" is a load of shit.

>>12110146
>massive waste of time in the campaign
Bulbanigger can't read

>>12109335
I gave Charizard 0 DVs and 0 stat exp, and I gave Venusaur 15 DVs and max stat exp.
>Charizard Flamethrower vs. Venusaur: 165-194 (45.3 - 53.2%) -- 33.5% chance to 2HKO
>Venusaur Body Slam vs. Charizard: 100-118 (37.5 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Even in the perfect scenario, your best bet is using Sleep Powder and praying it lands. 75% chance to land it and win vs. 66.5% chance. Also Charizard has a slightly higher chance to crit you.

>>12110141
>monochrome
Disgusting

>>12109224
Fire is dogshit in gen 1 mate.

>>12111293
in gen 1? fire spin is one of the strongest moves in the game
>nothing is immune
>prevents attacks for at least 2 turns
>comes native on one of the fastest guys

>>12098338
Has anyone ever made a mod for GS that fully implements the entire Kanto region?

>>12111338
>70% (actually 69,6%) accurate
It sucks.

>>12111498
>b-b-but i hate dice rolls in rpgs!
skill issue

>>12111516
>Saying an attack sucks means you hate it

>>12111870
Nobody said you hated it.
Review the previous prompt and try again.

>>12095642 (OP)
who says otherwise? gen 2 is when the design started getting more "digimon" with lots of unnatural stripes and accoutrements, and pokemon that don't really seem to reference anything. i get it, there are only so many animals and its hard to not repeat yourself, but as more time went on, the goofier and shittier they got, less like wild animals and more like, well, digimon.

>>12112087
You literally implied that "i hate dice rolls" you dishonest faggot.
>>12112121
Gen 5 dex is of highs and lows since they tried to "replace" gen 1.

>>12112186
You can dislike a mechanic (even if it's one inherent to the genre) without explicitly hating something that uses it.

>>12112203
Who said i disliked trapping moves?
I said Fire Spin sucked not because i find it annoying but because it's not strong enough make up for Fire's weaknesses and because it's not as good as regular wrap as less pokemon resist it.

>>12112216
>Who said i disliked trapping moves?
Nobody.
You said it was bad because it's 70% accuracy, a dice roll, an inherent mechanic to RPGs, the genre.
Do you do this every time someone tries talking to you?

>>12112121
None of what you posted look like digimon.

Playing yellow and I really like the flow. Mankey and Nidoran for low kick and double kick made for a straightforward first gym and mt. moon.

My R/B Charmander method would be a butterfree for the first gym and a megapunch geodude for mt moon. Water gun ratata is an alternative.

Megapunch is a very fun TM, especially on geodude/graveler because its typing makes it take almost no damage from the majority of wild and trainer mons.

>>12112249
Gen has a problem with this because everything's too weak to level up off of. Every player gets a cold water splash to the face when they get out of ice tunnel and run into Clair who has a level 40 pokemon with a single weakness and the wild pokemon you can fight to level up to match her are level 25.

I never did beat Gen 2, and basically fell out of love with Pokemon there and then, so it could well be a worse game.
I still like the art style of the first two gens the most.

>>12095764
It is literally about the experience of growing up in post-war Japan, with the addition of magical fantasy creatures though.
The fact that there are American GI's hanging around, and Yakuza guys controlling whole areas and running shady casinos is pretty intentional as a thing.
It completely goes over your head as a child, but it's all there.

>>12112259
if you need to grind to beat fucking clair, you don't deserve to see the rest of the game

>>12112232
>You said it was bad because it's 70% accuracy, a dice roll, an inherent mechanic to RPGs, the genre.
Bad moves can, in fact, exist in RPGs, anon.

>>12112232
Do you REALLY think accuracy can't be a real factor on whether or not a move is good?

>>12112242
not this one, and desu it's not really a knock on digimon since they had a totally different aesthetic from the start, but when i say digimon i just mean decidedly non-naturalistic (in a way that's a sharp departure from the aesthetic-defining gen 1)

>>12112487
>>12112501
That isn't what was said.
I swear, 90% of the posters here are chatbots that can't retain a conversation longer than 2 posts.

>>12112506
Nuh Uh, you clearly tried to invalidate the argument by saying a every RPG has dice rolls in their moves.

>>12112504
2nd form (rookie?) Digimons look the most like pokemon. Baby forms are head-slimes. Then they go into the very odd later forms of mechadinosaurs and angels.

Gen 2 is better in every conceivable way except that the pokemon designs are worse. This is a big enough issue in a pokemon game that I think gen 1 is probably better.

>>12112519
Nobody said that. What was said is that dice rolls are an inherent part of RPGs.
Why do people insist on deploying chatbots with 3MB of memory?

>>12112259
That can be a good thing. The game lets you save anytime outside of battle, and the loss penalty isn't that bad. So you hit a roadblock and have to solve around it. Status effects and using the bulk of your 6mon team to tank through is all ways to play.

Going back to yellow, and R/B there were plenty of children who got stuck on Brock because their level 14 pikachu/charmander couldn't outtank a geodude and onyx with bide.

>>12112532
Why the fuck did you bring that up when the discussion was on the quality of fire spin as a trapping move?

>>12112576
Your criticism was that it wasn't a guaranteed hit >>12111498
And now you're going to forget the rest of the conversation.

>>12096717
Is this why you losers keep making awful horror/analog slop to zooms like Blood and Honey and Sonic Re(ddit)write?

>>12112280
>this kid's game is so freaking dark bro just look at the signs!
You're the kind of cretin who watches cartoon network shows in his 30s but doesn't have any kids.

>>12112603
>cant refute his point
just admit you lost nigga

>>12112603
This

>>12112608
What point? That baby's first JRPG was actually made for super duper ultra mature adults? Get over yourself.
You're so starved for age-appropriate writing that you're trying to find adult themes in Pokemon, the game that explains to you that stealing is wrong and fire loses to water. There aren't any, because Pokemon was not written for 30 year olds.
Genuinely grow up.

>>12112621
>moving the goalpost this hard
no one said it was for adults you fucking nitwit

>honestly using grow up on /vr/
nigga gain some self awareness

>>12112603
You're a lot more emotionally invested in this conversation than I am.
I suspect you're actually mad at yourself.

>>12112621
Refute the fact that Pokemon gen 1 was rooted in it's creators nostalgia for post-war Japan, and had aspects like Yakuza guys running casinos.

>>12112627
>>12112630
>>12112634
Okay, you're very grown up. Is that better?
lol calm down

>>12112636
I'm not even the first guy you were responding to. Calm down, steamy.

>>12112581
Not being a consistent is a huge flaw.
Submission also sucks because of this.

All children's media has adults' nostalgia in it because it is created by adults trying to remember when they were children. The fact that kiddie things aren't made by actual kids seems really hard for autists to grasp sometimes.

>>12112651
>The fact that kiddie things aren't made by actual kids seems really hard for autists to grasp sometimes.
kids creating stuff is usually far more violent than anything adults can come up with. Pic related was written by a 5 year old and drawn by his dad

>>12112642
Not being a consistent what?
An action's outcome being reliant on dice rolls in an RPG isn't a flaw, it's one of the defining characteristics of the genre.
And in the case of something like Fire Spin, where landing a hit means you lock the other guy out of attacking for 2-5 turns, and can shut them down indefinitely if you're faster, a guaranteed hit would be uncontestable.

How is this not obvious?

>>12112651
you're right man goodnight moon is definitely adult reading material

>>12112665
Isn't the point that it sucks compared to other trapping moves like wrap? It misses twice as often.

>>12112651
So, what's your point?
There's a special charm to gen 1 because it's far more rooted in something real and personal to the creator, as opposed to corporate franchise milking.

>>12112660
My kid writes stories all the time, and I enjoy reading them because he's my son.
But you'd have to be retarded to try and argue that they're suitable adult media.

>>12112621
>>12112621
Anon got so mad at nostalgia clickbaiting youtubers he is now projecting his hate on random innocent posts. Not everyone who notices some neat detail on a children's media is trying to tell you it's secretly mature: here are 10 details you might have missed as a kid!

>>12112689
Can Rapidash or Moltres learn Wrap?
You're acting as though every monster has access to the same tools, and that's simply not the case.

>>12112690
Yes, I would compare it to something like classic cartoons from Hanna-Barbera. It's a good and natural thing. The "point" is that referencing things only adults know about is typical in children's media, so it's definitely not evidence that something isn't meant for kids.

>>12112697
Suitable adult media is whatever you feel like enjoying in the moment.
There's no one looking over your shoulder grading you on this. You'll understand when you've been out of school for five years.

>>12112705
No one said it wasn't meant for kids. You're talking to the demons in your head.

>"When I became a man I put away Childish things, including the fear of Childishness and the desire to be very grown up." - C.S. Lewis

Caring about others opinions on the media you choose to consume is pathetic

>>12112702
>>12112707
You're trying really hard to convince people that the "Pokemon is actually dark and grown up guys!" posts aren't embarrassing.
It's not working, and every attempt just makes it funnier.

>>12112704
They can't effectively use the same strategy that wrap mons have access to, and the version of it that they have isn't worth using. What's so complicated about that? It's a worse version of a move that is nerfed enough to move it below the threshold of viability. If gen 1 had a fire version of hyper beam that missed twice as often and had the same drawbacks, you probably wouldn't want it instead of fire blast (although, that hypothetical move would still be in a higher tier than fire spin).

>>12112724
i mean, comparatively it is dark and grown up, compared to where the series progressed.
Yes, it's fundamentally for children. are you okay?
You understand you're on a video game board where people talk about Crash Bandicoot and stuff?

>>12112707
>You'll understand when you've been out of school for five years
is 23 really such a hyperbolically mature age to you that you thought it was a good jab?

>wrap - 85% accuracy
>firespin - 70% accuracy

firespin isn't really that bad considering everyone uses inaccurate moves in competitive

>>12112736
I suspect you can't be much older than that, based on your tone.

>23 year old acting like he's mature
>on /vr/ of all places

>>12112603
>he doesn't watch cartoons in his 30s
soulless

>>12112729
>the version of it that they have isn't worth using
Nah, it's objectively the best fire type move in gen 1, especially on fast monsters.
The whole reason binding moves don't work the same way afterward is because they're busted.

>>12112750
>reading comprehension
A lot of people don't finish education at 18, either.

>>12112751
I watch cartoons with my kid.
If you're over 16 and watching cartoons alone, I don't think you should be allowed near school zones.

>>12112740
That's twice as likely to miss every time you use it, and in particular it's compounding every time you use it. With wrap, you have at least a 70% chance of being able to land it twice in a row, trapping your opponent for a long time, but with fire spin that chance goes down to below 50%.

>>12112761
>hasn't seen primal
what are you a faggot

>>12112735
>people talk about Crash Bandicoot
Nobody's making posts about how Crash Bandicoot is dark and fucked up
Just try reading >>12095738 with a straight face.

>>12112761
>my kid
my daughter*

>>12112779
that's all in the game

>>12112665
It's a flaw in the fire types' strength, that's what i meant.

>>12112754
Not a single Fire type would rather use Fire Spin over fire Blast or flame thrower unless they don't have any other tool.
Charizard never runs fire spin because SD + Earthquake & Hyper Beam is just too strong to miss out, even Flareon doesn't run fire spin.
You're only going to see it on mons with agility like Rapidash and Moltres who don't have other options.

>>12112765
To add on your point, wrap mons also have other options to deal with the pokemon that resist or are immune to wrap, like EQ or status moves.
Fire Types outside of Zard don't have that.

>>12098310
>picrel
bunch of bandwagoners voted in that poll. Gen 2s problems have nothing to do with the starters. Cyndaquil and Totodile are Top 3 fire/water starters.

>>12112597
>analog horror
do you think 35 year olds are the ones making analog horror lol?
all of the big analog horror channels are run by ~20 year olds.
the biggest one was run by a ~17 year old.

I like 'em both. Why am I wrong?

>>12095649
>>12098310
Schizos

>>12098316
>unironically quoting joe merrick

>>12112961
>Not a single Fire type would rather use Fire Spin over fire Blast or flame thrower
Sorry, you're just wrong.

>>12098480
>use new pokemon to beat the old pokemon during the main game
that's just smart business

>>12096781
What an absolute dog shit opinion whose entire basis for thought is essentially "dude stuff when I was a kid was best lol"

Michael Keaton is an absolute poofter bitch of a Batman, and Nolan's Batman is excellent. Pattinson Batman is actually really good, too. I'm curious why you consider it consume + toss when it's just a really well made movie.

>>12112232
>>12112506
It's bad because the accuracy is low, not because the accuracy stat exists. The only retarded chatbot here is you, hallucinating things no one ever said.

>>12113978
You can follow the reply chain further back for yourself, if you have enough cache to handle it.

>>12112724
>HAHAH YOU THINK THE GAME'S DESIGN WAS INSPIRED BY HIS CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES??? HAHAH AS IF PEOPLE PUT THOUGHT AND EFFORT INTO THEIR CREATIONS LMAO
this is what you sound like right now. I truly hope you're only pretending to be retarded, because if not, I feel bad for you

>>12114003
Watch out, there's Pokemon on screen. Try not to get too scared.

>>12113997
I've been following it from the start, which is pic related. Anon said 70% accuracy sucks and you started going on about how he hates the inherent concept of dice rolls. Disliking a move for its low accuracy is not the same as hating the concept of accuracy.

>>12114012
>70% accurate
>it sucks
so does every move that's 70% accurate suck? or just that one?
because if it's the former, it sounds like you just don't like accuracy as a mechanic

>>12114010
>Still missing the point entirely
Zoomer brainrot in action

>>12114029
the point in question:
>>12095738
>>12112280
Isn't it about time for your favorite cartoon show? Don't be late.

>>12114014
70% accuracy sucks relative to the accuracy of other similar moves that fill the same role.

>>12114035
I now think basic reading comprehension skills should be a requirement for internet access.

>>12114048
I think being an adult should be a requirement for posting on 4cha-
Oh, right.

>>12114059
dude you're 23, you're probably the youngest person in this thread.

>>12114064
I can't decide if he's genuinely retarded or if he's trolling for fun. And even then, I haven't made my mind up about which is more sad.

>>12114064
>>12114073
>dude you're 23
Are you having a schizoid moment right now?
Who do you think you're talking to? Do they have a name?

>>12114075
you're making the exact retarded argument with the same retarded logic, it's not difficult to tell which posts are yours.

>>12114078
>argument
This isn't an argument.
I'm telling you that Pokemon is not a dark story written for mature adults just because it has a soldier and a cartoonishly evil mafia analogue.

If you really think whatever "point" you're trying to make has merit, I'd suggest presenting it in a better way. Because so far you've only made it very easy to dismiss.

I see the first three as all the same none better or worse. Gen 1 was about sci fi criminal outfits urban density post war feeling, team rocket silph co, like the world is stable but there is feeling of dark things going on and what to do with pokemon themselves. Gen 2 was nature tradition changing times cinnabar island destroyed mostly veridian forest chopped down lavendar town changed with the times. Gen 3 was color exotic locations myths expanded from gen 2 it feels like some faraway land. Gen 4 is entirely different and where I think it all falls apart. Mysteries gone everything in pokemon universe solved. Gen 1 was compact and perfect but nothing really changes with the times, giovanni goes away, you become champion but gary is still around. Gen 2 fixes this but the world lacks environment changes. Gen 3 completes this with rainstorms sandstorms and builds on myths with regis and latios/latias. But flops with the bad guy group feeling too cheesy and not subtle like rockets, the problems of world being solved too easy. First three games are what satoshi envisioned but flawed in their own ways like everything but come together as one big experience. Pokemon should've ended after GBA.

>>12113918
Dropping fire Blast for fire spin is objectively a bad choice.

I use firespin and flamethrower on my charizard

how can you get so upset about pokemon

>>12114357
its not my fault your a retard who can't understand that gen 1 is objectively dark and isn't just for kids

>>12114035
>these themes appear in the game
>no they don't!
>uh actually they do
>why are you afraid of games for children? Do you think this is the Sopranos?
Bro, you're having a whole other conversation.

>>12114389
Please refer to >>12114092
You're acting like a clown because someone doesn't think Pokemon is a dark game that "goes over your head as child".
Either explain your point like an adult, or nobody's going to treat you like one.

Worldbuilding was 10x better for sure

>>12114407
It's literally correct that earlier Pokemon touched on grittier themes, and was more rooted in the creator's own childhood.
You're the one creating this frame of argumentation where I'm saying it's a super dark creepypasta game, and totally intended for grown ups. That's called projection.
You're probably insecure about your own maturity, and still in your "I read Berserk" phase. Which is why I said come back when you've been out of education for five years.

>>12114368
Lmao

>>12114407
>>12114453
New anon here, I think the root of this argument is coming from using loaded terms. When you say words like "grittier" or "darker" it has a certain connotation that some people might not be able to see past, which doesn't apply to pokemon. I think the more neutral way to describe earlier pokemon games is that they're more GROUNDED, which makes them feel a bit more real. Team Rocket isn't trying to summon pokegods or use fire pokemon to create landmasses or traveling into other dimensions or whatever the fuck other over the top cartoon shit pokemon villains started getting into later on, they're just a regular old criminal organization with the addition of pokemon. The world of gen 1 and 2 feels more grounded and similar to our own than later gens that start becoming very exaggerated.

>>12114094
>Gen 4 is entirely different and where I think it all falls apart. Mysteries gone everything in pokemon universe solved.
total bullshit spewed from your asshole of a mouth

>>12111498
hgss

>>12114453
>It's literally correct that earlier Pokemon touched on grittier themes
I don't think that's true.
The presence of a mafia analogue isn't "gritty", and was a commonplace and relatively tame trope for cartoons even at the time.
War being mentioned a single time by the character who exists to be a soldier archetype is not "gritty". At least not any more than Elmer Fudd could be considered "gritty" for talking about hunting.
A cemetery does not make Lavender "a silent hill tier ghost town". Come on.
The failed cloning experiment is kind of the closest thing you've got. And while it prompts some questions (in the movie, it wasn't explored at all in game) it's still not particularly dark. The evil clone plotline wasnt exactly new to children's media at the time either.

The rest of your post is just a slew of oddly specific attempts at personal attacks, so I'm still not convinced you can present your point like an adult.

>>12114504
I agree with this, absolutely.
It's still very clearly children's fiction, but it managed to be a relatable portrayal of the world at the time, and continues to be (relatively speaking) closer to reality than later entries. Which is, I think, why the setting grabbed people the way it did.

>>12114504
Grittier and darker compared to what the series would become in later eras.
>>12114525
No one said they weren't for children. You were having that conversation with yourself.

I wasn't even the guy who said Lavender Town is like Silent Hill which is admittedly hyperbole and silly. Lavender town is two shacks and an enormous tower filled with dead Pokemon for some reason. I don't know what they were alluding to with that.

>>12114436
This. Pokemon was better when it was our world with strange monsters and sci-fi devices in it. People ate beef from cows because animals existed. Lt. Surge was an American military guy in Japan. I have no idea what's going on with the worldbuilding of this series anymore and if they even acknowledge the earlier worldbuilding or not but it doesn't even feel like recent games take place in the same world as Gen1.

>>12114629
We quickly went from Kanto (which is a real region of Japan), to full blown fictional countries.
Gen 1 really is almost entirely a separate thing.

>>12114601
>Grittier and darker
nah mate, you're using words that don't apply
until you figure that out your argument doesn't mean anything

>>12114670
Do you understand how things work in terms of degrees, and something can be "grittier and darker" than another thing, without being Schindler's List?

This whole interaction feels like you're goading me to ask you to show me your collection of obscure survival horror games and PC-98 eroge, and I'm simply not interested in going in that direction.
I don't care how mature you think you are.

>>12114681
the isle of mann has a darker and grittier flag than cuba
i'm speaking in terms of degrees so you can't disagree with me and i don't have to explain my position

>>12114909
A faction resembling the real world mafia, who run suspicious businesses and casinos, is grittier than where the Pokemon franchise went, with it's increasingly goofy supervillains who want to flood the planet or something.

>>12095738
wasn't the original story of pokemon supposed to be these creatures are escaped army lab experiment animals, with team rocket being army personnel assigned to recover them?

>>12114947
>grittier
this guy >>12114504 already salvaged whatever point you keep failing to make for yourself, and now you're only making it worse

>>12115051
I don't need to define what gritty means. This is tedious debate-bro shit.

>>12115173
you derailed the thread because someone didn't agree with you
the fact that you can't even explain your position after all that just shows you never gave it any thought in the first place, and thought you could just "let people enjoy things" your way out of criticism

is this just what all /vp/ posters are like?

>>12115181
The other guy jumped down everyone's throat and started accusing them thinking Pokemon is a mature and grown up series, which no one said. I don't know why you're making this my fault.
I wasn't even the first guy.

It is factually correct that yes, gen 1 was a bit more gritty and real than all of the later gens.
Are you going to keep screaming and yelling and accusing everyone else of things, or are you going to admit that?

>>12114658
I have a fancanon where pokemon never went past gen 1 and it became a niche thing like doom wads, kinda cool

>>12095642 (OP)
Are these worth playing if I wanna play stadium? I always heard that rentals make it insanely difficult but I don't want my team that I transfer in to completely stomp over everything either